[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Which is odd cause you were wombatty d1, which is tp say not wprdy to the point of vagueness.

I know the O and P keys are right next to each other, but please.

Np.

 

Was that supposed to be "No."

 

:P

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I don't know what to make of Turin now.

 

He actually missed a lot of D1. He was around for the intro phase and then lylo without much of a showing in between. I want to see where he goes today.

 

There are things I have a mental note to look for.

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I'm tired and don't want to keep doing this.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I no longer think that Besie is scum, just playing badly. It's hard to distinguish those sometimes.

Explain

 

 

I analyzed the EoD. The unvote makes as little sense from a scum PoV as it does from a town PoV. It was simply bad.

 

If this is her first town game, she doesn't know how to town yet, and it would come off as making mistakes. Which is exactly how it feels.

 

What you said about playing both the experienced wolf card and the inexperienced town card...well she is more experienced as wolf than as town. That makes sense.

 

The part that doesn't make sense to me, which I have already discussed at length, is her vote on Turin. I don't see the reason behind it for either alignment.

[Lenlo]

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

[Sili Quirrels]

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

For some people, but not for others. Depends on how you play I guess.

[Sili Quirrels]

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[v]besie[/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

wut has besie done? she been around but noting yet. she gave up. lynch her. finish. clap and celebrate post lynch-scene imo.

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Dice ISO jeez it's like everyone is playing nice and treating each other kindly all of a sudden and it's just throwing off all my reads

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I mean it's a good thing but

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Dice ISO is missing some of the key components that have me reading him strong town early but I still feel reasonably good about it. Town lean still subject to plenty of scrutiny.

[Shad_]

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

 

I get that there's a basic logical inconsistency in saying "I think I'm a good villager" at one point and saying "must be because I'm a noob" at another.

 

But I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here.

 

Like, spell it out for me in alignment terms.

 

If Besie is scum you think maybe x happened.

 

If she's town you think maybe y happened.

[Eldrick4221]

Eldrick - TTtT

Shad - Believe the mason claim. Also liked his attitude at the beginning. 

Thane - Believe the mason claim

 

Sili - Liked his entrance. Haven't had a problem with him yet. I feel I'm generally good at reading him, so I'm confident with my read here.

Lenlo - Have liked his game so far. His logic makes sense and is easy to follow

 

Seph - Generally liked his game. There was something that bothered me, I think, but I don't remember what. Putting him in light town for now.

 

Turin/Dice/Celeste - Haven't sorted yet.

 

Besie - Not seeing town by any means, but not seeing scum either. Haven't liked her game, but it's not an alignment indicative dislike.

 

NynZander - Didn't like Nyn's early game. Rest of it was meh. Waiting to see what Zander does with this slot.

Darthe - As discussed before, I haven't liked his play. his pop-in posting and his coasting. His game has been very different than what I'm used to, and that concerns me.

[Eldrick4221]

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

 

You said that. I disagree.

 

You can be experienced scum and inexperienced town, if your only experience IS scum.

 

Scum have a completely different view of the game than town does. Scum know who town is, and therefore inherently play differently.

 

Seeing how town play and playing it yourself are very different things.

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I might call it quits on the ISOs for tonight and pick that up tomorrow.  Head's getting a little jumbled at this point.  But I'll be around a while to chat.

[Eldrick4221]

 

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

For some people, but not for others. Depends on how you play I guess.

 

 

 

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[v]besie[/v]

 

 

You defended my reason against Besie being scum...and then voted her?

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You defended my reason against Besie being scum...and then voted her?

You have a pretty positive read on Sili. How much have you been paying attention to him recently?

[Eldrick4221]

 

You defended my reason against Besie being scum...and then voted her?

You have a pretty positive read on Sili. How much have you been paying attention to him recently?

 

 

That read is honestly from memory. I should ISO him.

 

I didn't like his recent play that you quoted my response to.

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Fair enough.

[Lenlo]

 

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

 

I get that there's a basic logical inconsistency in saying "I think I'm a good villager" at one point and saying "must be because I'm a noob" at another.

 

But I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here.

 

Like, spell it out for me in alignment terms.

 

If Besie is scum you think maybe x happened.

 

If she's town you think maybe y happened.

 

What im saying is this: If you are a wolf you have seen what has gotten your wolf mates caught. You have seen how town hunts. To survive as a wolf you must, to some extent, learn how to scumhunt. 

 

If Besie is town, then it was an honest if incredibly naive and stupid mistake.

 

If Besie is town, then she was banking on people thinking it a naive and stupid mistake. She was setting up whoever didnt get lynched to be lynched D2. She was banking on, with Zander dead and revealed town, people following his reads and thus reading her town as he was confirmed.

 

The fact that I think she is a wolf here means I am giving her credit. I choose to believe she is a clever, talented, scheming wolf more then she is an incredibly naive villager. Could I be? Yes. But I do not believe anyone with her intellect and proven ability would think what she did at EoD was smart or acceptable. Thus I must conclude she did it on purpose.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

Ive already said though, you cant play both cards at once. She knows what good town looks like. She knows what good wolves do and thus how to find them. Being experienced at wolfing means that, on some level, you know what to look for/do as a towny almost as much as having played town, because a good wolf has to fake being a good town.

 

Like, to be a good wolf you have to learn to fake being a good town. I refuse to believe she hasnt picked up on that to atleast some extent. You dont get to play both of those cards when they relate like this.

For some people, but not for others. Depends on how you play I guess.

 

 

 

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[v]besie[/v]

 

 

You defended my reason against Besie being scum...and then voted her?

 

i dont even know what your reason was so that wasnt me.

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Well town!Besie couldn't have known Zander was going to die for one thing.

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oh nvm I missed your typo

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God Lenlo my brain is already broken don't do this to me.

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What im saying is this: If you are a wolf you have seen what has gotten your wolf mates caught. You have seen how town hunts. To survive as a wolf you must, to some extent, learn how to scumhunt. 

 

If Besie is town, then it was an honest if incredibly naive and stupid mistake.

 

If Besie is town, then she was banking on people thinking it a naive and stupid mistake. She was setting up whoever didnt get lynched to be lynched D2. She was banking on, with Zander dead and revealed town, people following his reads and thus reading her town as he was confirmed.

 

The fact that I think she is a wolf here means I am giving her credit. I choose to believe she is a clever, talented, scheming wolf more then she is an incredibly naive villager. Could I be? Yes. But I do not believe anyone with her intellect and proven ability would think what she did at EoD was smart or acceptable. Thus I must conclude she did it on purpose.

Towning is never half as easy as it looks from the other side. God I've grumbled as much in this game coming off my own wolf streak and you know I'm experienced.

 

The whole setting up a future mislynch thing--it's not like Kivam's competing train wasn't a competing train. I mean I get that the event leaves a lot of people disgruntled, but Besie lead Kivam's lynch in the first place, so it's not like people were going to be all "let's lynch Kivam because wolf Kiv confirms wolf Besie". Kivam or Hallia would have sank or swam today on their own merit regardless of which got lynched yesterday, no?

 

But the biggest thing--why do you think Besie would try to pull a 'naive and stupid mistake' card in that instance? Surely that would be a naive and stupid mistake. I mean she had a lot of people town reading her and she was taking charge of the village even if it was onto a mislynch. Yeah Turin spoke out against her but a half-decent wolf doesn't panic at one person sussing them and toss all their equity to the wind on a gambit.