[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

Darthe · May 19, 2016

I think I might switch Turin and Zander if more people agreed with me but till that happens that order is appropriate I think.
I'm such a team player taking into account the opinions of my town core even though last time that really messed up my head.

I always try and make myself sound like a rogue but in all honesty I really am affected by the Reeds of people who I considered town so I feel you

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Seph ain't even on my list son

:huh:

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Isn't Dice's tone normal?

That's basically what my 30 page reread found. Man his tone was compelling to me. No idea if that's how I should be reading him, but he felt town quite a few times.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

And of course he was a counter-wagon to a wolf. And Turin has been harping on that thing about him sheeping too much I think. -lazy imho.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

lazy thinking.

Darthe · May 19, 2016

Hyperbole dude, he is lowest behind dice but I have a gulf of space between the two.

Hey turin don't use your power tonight actually. If you accidentally get the wrong person killed that's gonna go badly for you, better to holster

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Hyperbole dude, he is lowest behind dice but I have a gulf of space between the two.

Hey turin don't use your power tonight actually. If you accidentally get the wrong person killed that's gonna go badly for you, better to holster

that's assuming he's town.

Darthe · May 19, 2016

It's a good way to test it.

Darthe · May 19, 2016

We haven't discussed eldrick. He ain't confirmed

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

He should switch himself withi someone imo.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

We haven't discussed eldrick. He ain't confirmed

yeah but he gave strong town vibes on several occasions. i don't think he's a wolf anymore in the same sense i don't think shad is a wolf or thane is a wolf, or maybe almost but not really - you that is. o.O

Darthe · May 19, 2016

Acceptable. Why do you think seph can be?

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Acceptable. Why do you think seph can be?

uh he hasn't given me those same town vibes yet. It's really as simple as that. I guess you could call him a null rn. If I found something something scummy about him in my reread it wasn't notable enough for me to remember anyway.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Right. Seph was asking questions about ppl a lot in the beginning.

Turin Turambar · May 19, 2016

more Celsete.

Penneh Ive noticed youve gone anonymous this game....

Any particular reason....
Because I'm pretty much invisible mode on every site but dragonmount and forgot to start doing it until you mentioned me last game for lurking.

This is an interesting find by Z1.0 now. I still don't go with that stuff too much tho.

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

Here is her vote of me. If you look at it it is the only thing she actually follows up on.

[V]Celeste [/v]
Choo choo
why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

Calls out Len for his vote even tho I think he had been sussing her earlier. Again she tries to steer the reasoning to something that she can try to defend or make excuses for.

Did I miss a Mason claim somewhere? Can someone quote it/give me a post number to go find?

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

This all you got? Really? After that "catchup"?

omfg i'm still doing the reading. I don't really re-read much and have to alter my play for DM a bit. what more do you fudging want lenlo?

she get upset at Len here (or seems to). she said it was part two of her catchup and there wasn't another big post (I think) so The still reading thing looks faked. More town points for Len based on her dealing with him.

[V]Celeste [/v]
Choo choo
why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

What didnt notice this on reread? Also wheres the calling out Nyn one?

At first it was an experiment, which is why I didnt give reasons, since I was going to be in class for 3 hours. I wanted to see what would happen this close to deadline.

Im not a fan of your catchup, your vote or tone.

what about Nyn? She had a reason for her vote as far as I see. What about my tone or vote? Have you seen the push he is doing towards thane?

Note: this reads as subtle defense of Nyn(now Z2.0). immediately followed by deflection onto her Turin case. Possible Z connection there.

Turin, Sili, and idk about the last one.

Mafia tend to include one teammate in their sus list. No matter how few there are.

Ugh such a bad day today, I don't know what is wrong with what I have said this game compared to the rest. Lenlo saying I have no backing is kind of pathetic because It is a base line for reads.

Pathetic? Cant defend so go on the attack. Personal attack.

Base line for reads? What does that even mean? You were asked for a WTL and provided two names you had never spoken of or mentioned up to that point. As if they were pulled out of a hat.

How is that a personal attack? I voted Turin, who I don't feel strongly about with his push of Thane. A mason is a risky claim and soft claim. Sili is more of a gut read.

continues the Turin push. Sili is only a gut read that she would be able to back away from easily.

As for who I think is town, I have Seph and Besie as slight town. Zander makes me scratch my head as usual.

Seph, (unknown) Besie (town) that she had to vote later. Z(1.0 Town I think).

Len looks much better in this section. I do as well but I will leave that for others to weigh in about.

Sili and Z both question marks for me.

finish last parts of this after I run an errand.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

It wasn't a big deal.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

more Celsete.

Penneh Ive noticed youve gone anonymous this game....

Any particular reason....

Because I'm pretty much invisible mode on every site but dragonmount and forgot to start doing it until you mentioned me last game for lurking.

This is an interesting find by Z1.0 now. I still don't go with that stuff too much tho.

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

Here is her vote of me. If you look at it it is the only thing she actually follows up on.

[V]Celeste [/v]

Choo choo

why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

Calls out Len for his vote even tho I think he had been sussing her earlier. Again she tries to steer the reasoning to something that she can try to defend or make excuses for.

Did I miss a Mason claim somewhere? Can someone quote it/give me a post number to go find?

[v]Turin[/v] I don't really like his tone this game. Also his push of Thane is weird.

This all you got? Really? After that "catchup"?

omfg i'm still doing the reading. I don't really re-read much and have to alter my play for DM a bit. what more do you fudging want lenlo?

she get upset at Len here (or seems to). she said it was part two of her catchup and there wasn't another big post (I think) so The still reading thing looks faked. More town points for Len based on her dealing with him.

[V]Celeste [/v]

Choo choo

why? If it's because I'm not posting all the time than I'm calling bs.

What didnt notice this on reread? Also wheres the calling out Nyn one?

At first it was an experiment, which is why I didnt give reasons, since I was going to be in class for 3 hours. I wanted to see what would happen this close to deadline.

Im not a fan of your catchup, your vote or tone.

what about Nyn? She had a reason for her vote as far as I see. What about my tone or vote? Have you seen the push he is doing towards thane?

Note: this reads as subtle defense of Nyn(now Z2.0). immediately followed by deflection onto her Turin case. Possible Z connection there.

Turin, Sili, and idk about the last one.

Mafia tend to include one teammate in their sus list. No matter how few there are.

Ugh such a bad day today, I don't know what is wrong with what I have said this game compared to the rest. Lenlo saying I have no backing is kind of pathetic because It is a base line for reads.

Pathetic? Cant defend so go on the attack. Personal attack.

Base line for reads? What does that even mean? You were asked for a WTL and provided two names you had never spoken of or mentioned up to that point. As if they were pulled out of a hat.

How is that a personal attack? I voted Turin, who I don't feel strongly about with his push of Thane. A mason is a risky claim and soft claim. Sili is more of a gut read.

continues the Turin push. Sili is only a gut read that she would be able to back away from easily.

As for who I think is town, I have Seph and Besie as slight town. Zander makes me scratch my head as usual.

Seph, (unknown) Besie (town) that she had to vote later. Z(1.0 Town I think).

Len looks much better in this section. I do as well but I will leave that for others to weigh in about.

Sili and Z both question marks for me.

finish last parts of this after I run an errand.

Shocking because I've been cleared seven days straight.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

I was going for sarcasm there.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Turin, you're reaching hard for reasons.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Darthe, do I need to go into detail there - explain what I mean? You're the only one around I sort of trust.

Darthe · May 19, 2016

I'm at work atm so I won't be too responsive anyhow sili

Thane Vakarian · May 19, 2016

ugh... nights need to last like... 1 hour, so we can continue the game....

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

Everyone leaves in time.

There is no rule which says a wolf leaves a partner in their wtl list. There are a lot of factors, not the least of which is their personality. How celeste frames her reads as a wolf is something only she knows, and town doesn't have enough information to glean with any kind of certainty what she intended when she said I was a gut read and pushed you harder than anyone else. I've seen a lot of motivations over the two or so years I've been playing mafia frequently.

I suspect she said I was a gut read because the thread was slowly clearing me and she was floating that boat; whereas you, you weren't a wagon back then and you became a wagon later, but I don't remember a lot of people having a strong opinion about you day 1. You were a push she could make with an amount of ease day 1 and a lack of conflict, whereas eod2 you were either a subject to distance from or you were a town she wanted to move away from to lynch Besie.

Eod2 is interesting. So I am probably going to do a deep dive at some point. But until then I'm backing off so I can think more rationally. Like dice sketches me out a few times, turin has some internally consistent mantra about how busdriver is actually a very kosher town role which i don't know whether to believe, and I need to process it.

Sili Quirrels · May 19, 2016

If Zander is a wolf Turin's equity goes up because if Zander is a wolf the wolves were openly bussing, and if that's the case there was a clear incentive structure for celeste to bus in case she got lynched first.

Turin Turambar · May 19, 2016

MoreCeleste

hallia kind of escapes my radar. Not sure what it means.

This is equivalent to how she treated Z1.0. Both dead town. I think looks good for Eldrick.

I actually think I can trust sili so far as well
poe
dice
penneh could interchange her and darth and nyn somewhat
darthe
zander
Lenlo
Turin

Is it from top to bottom or vice versa?

Interesting. If it was from most likely mafia to least like I think then Seph has Dice, Celeste/Nyn (z 2.0)/Darthe s his prime suspects.

I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.

more wishy washy no read on Sili. Continues to push at me.

Also did people notice Darthe didn't vote

throws shade at Darthe.

Darthe and Penny need to step up and they're probably both aware of it. Nulls only live so long as there are scummy people about.

I'm not going to be posting as much as I usually do this game. I'm doing my best to keep up and contribute.
I'm still on the fence with Sili. Not sure what to make of him. Turin is my top scum read because of his tone on D1 and he seemed kind of TMI at EoD.
Elaborate on this please.
He said "if there is two kills that Besie is SK". How is he supposed to know that?
The only way thats TMI is if
1) He is an SK
2) He is a Vig of some alignment, probably wolf as town wouldnt lead that on.
Or he's mafia. Either way it doesn't sit well with me.

More Turin push. At this point there was some chance of a Turin lynch. I don't think she pushes a teammate as a counter train. (I have the added benefit of knowing I'm town tho so there you go. I still think that argument with Len makes him look better too.

[v]Turin[/v]

Vote me again...

Unless hes a Mafia Vig, then no its not TMI. Just being mafia doesnt mean he knows whether or not an SK is in the game.

It's still a possibility Lenlo, for we don't know much about the setup.

Mafia knows more about the setup than anyone else. So she is using a misrep in her Turin case.

Turin is being really TMI this whole game and his tone/back tracking comments are doing him much. Nobody has gotten an answer from him on why he thinks their is an SK. This setup is closed and mostly seen VT flips. I'm not sure on much except that Turin is being super scummy.

Darthe is super null to me and doesn't really sit well with him saying little and not voting. I want him to answer these questions.

What are your top scum?

What do you think about besie compared with her other games?

Lenlo is mostly giving complete BS for me being scum. I don't really understand it when it's basically my usual play.

More Turin push and more Lenlo arguing. More shade at Darthe.

All 3 looking better for me. Again make up your own minds about me.

Eldrick, Seph, Lenlo and Darthe probably town. Unless this is a really impressive bus job. I don't see that tho.

Current PoE for tomorrow for me is Sili, Z2, Dice.

[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

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