[Advanced]Lost mafia - Game over - Sili, SK wins!

Thane Vakarian · May 18, 2016

put Z2 in there because i can't fully clear him.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

[unvote]

[v]Besie[/v]

waffling.

This vote is meh.

He's willing to vote both, but can't decide which one. That's not bad.

seph · May 18, 2016

I was, I pointed out the inconsistencies I found with besie when I switched, iso me to find them.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

Does a Seph/Lenlo/Celeste (Z2) team make sense here?

I'm seeing Seph and Celeste. Why Lenlo?

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

I was, I pointed out the inconsistencies I found with besie when I switched, iso me to find them.

What exactly is this in response to?

I've just been doing a thought dump from EoD. Don't even remember what I just said lol.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

we have 2 wagons. one is a pr. if the other one is town why would mafia be so involved here? THE EOD WOULD LOOK LIKE D1

One was a claimed PR. The other WAS town.

Care to answer your own question?

Thane Vakarian · May 18, 2016

Does a Seph/Lenlo/Celeste (Z2) team make sense here?

I'm seeing Seph and Celeste. Why Lenlo?

I'm doubting between Sili and Lenlo to be honest.... Pure gut feeling, but I think it's possible that Lenlo is dee pwolfing here.

dicetosser1 · May 18, 2016

@eldrick considering he already voted me i read that as a to lynch from list

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

no zander lol. There are much better cases for why besie is scum

Then whats the fixation with the list?

Dice has no right being there because besie had no read progression on him

It was the average of everyone's WTL provided.

How can it be her fault for Dice being there?

she had no read progression on him at all. it is very very strange is what I am getting at,

The dice suss's besie at day 1 THEN refuses to lynch her day 2. with no read progression.

ITS WEIRD

i don't think this means anything anymore now that we know she's town.

seph · May 18, 2016

also I have been mulling this over in my head.
If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)
I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote.

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

@eldrick considering he already voted me i read that as a to lynch from list

context please.

seph · May 18, 2016

Shad I need you to go besie! plz.

You believed in me day 1 and I am sorry I got down after eod, I know day 1's are rough but I feel very confident atm. please trust me!

look at the trains and the difference from day1. It is obvious there is at least 1 mafia up for lynch today. If besie is town here I am completely lost on how to win this game.

@ zander. I have at least read besie iso, and explained why I think she is scum, Not only that lenlo pointed out a very good point about another contradiction in these last few pages. I also never said turin was town lol @ you.

Besie is most likely scum with these people. I would lynch them in this order = dice/zander/celeste

You said to unvote Turin and vote Besie.

I assumed you were Town reading him and Scum reading Besie.

Good point. That's how it read to me too.

@ eld

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote.

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

Zander WAS voting Turin. He moved from Turin to Celeste when Turin claimed.

seph · May 18, 2016

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote.

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

Zander WAS voting Turin. He moved from Turin to Celeste when Turin claimed.

ok thanks, what do you think about the overall theory here? I know turin likes to fakeclaim as mafia, but he claimed in a good spot imo. I doubt mafia put SCUM celeste in a position for a mason to make the final desicion on her fate

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

I was, I pointed out the inconsistencies I found with besie when I switched, iso me to find them.

Shad I need you to go besie! plz.

You believed in me day 1 and I am sorry I got down after eod, I know day 1's are rough but I feel very confident atm. please trust me!

look at the trains and the difference from day1. It is obvious there is at least 1 mafia up for lynch today. If besie is town here I am completely lost on how to win this game.

@ zander. I have at least read besie iso, and explained why I think she is scum, Not only that lenlo pointed out a very good point about another contradiction in these last few pages. I also never said turin was town lol @ you.

Besie is most likely scum with these people. I would lynch them in this order = dice/zander/celeste

You said to unvote Turin and vote Besie.

I assumed you were Town reading him and Scum reading Besie.

Good point. That's how it read to me too.

@ eld

This was the point that I was referring to.

You pointed out that you never said you were town reading Turin (which implies that you weren't)

Zander pointed out that he assumed you were from you wanting us to unvote him.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

also I have been mulling this over in my head.

If we believe turins claim then Eod was a Town vs town. I think this is plausible because the votes stalled at 5vs5 with zander saying he would vote turin (I don't remember if he ever did)

Now if turin/besie was T/T I think this makes celeste town. (please everyone input on the matter)

I beieve thane starts the celeste train (which is fine imo) now if celeste was actually mafia they arn't just going to bus her here with a town besie still very much on the block.

I could see maybe one switching over and bussing (if celeste is actually mafia) But the again became a tied vote between her and besie, with shad a town PR with the final vote.

This makes no sense for mafia to bus in this situation and to lynch a teamate when It really was never required in the first place.

Zander WAS voting Turin. He moved from Turin to Celeste when Turin claimed.

ok thanks, what do you think about the overall theory here? I know turin likes to fakeclaim as mafia, but he claimed in a good spot imo. I doubt mafia put SCUM celeste in a position for a mason to make the final desicion on her fate

I need to clear you before I can think about this clearly.

Cuz I currently think you're scum, and this could easily just be you trying to make your teammate look good.

If you flip town, I will reconsider this.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

[unvote]

[v]Seph[/v]

Still WTV Celeste, but feel worse about Seph.

seph · May 18, 2016

[unvote]

[v]Seph[/v]

Still WTV Celeste, but feel worse about Seph.

I want to know what you think about it regardless of my alignment, DOES or does IT NOT make sense? You literally just dodged the crap outa that

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Turin (3) - Darthe, Celeste, Besie

Besie (5) - Turin, Lenlo, , Eldrick, seph, Sili

Seph (1) - Dice

Celeste (2) - Thane, Zander

Not voting (1): Shad,

With 12 alive there are 7 to lynch!

Besie at L-2

Stop Joking around, vote Bess.

If this was a town lynch, it would already have gone through.

An excellent point by Lenlo.

And it WAS a town lynch.

Only explanation I can think of is scum is already on her train.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

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[v]Seph[/v]

Still WTV Celeste, but feel worse about Seph.

I want to know what you think about it regardless of my alignment, DOES or does IT NOT make sense? You literally just dodged the crap outa that

Ok. Assuming that you are town, and I can trust your opinion for a moment.

Yes, it does make sense.

If you are scum, though, I have to wonder if you are doing that to make us not look at her.

seph · May 18, 2016

[unvote]

[v]Seph[/v]

Still WTV Celeste, but feel worse about Seph.

I want to know what you think about it regardless of my alignment, DOES or does IT NOT make sense? You literally just dodged the crap outa that

Ok. Assuming that you are town, and I can trust your opinion for a moment.

Yes, it does make sense.

If you are scum, though, I have to wonder if you are doing that to make us not look at her.

thx, that is all I wanted. I put it out there to have a discussion about it. My reads have been absolute crap this game, so I don't even trust myself atm lol

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

We haven't caught scum yet. Everyone's reads have been crap.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

Our leading trains have been Hally, Kivam, Turin, Besie, and Celeste

If they are all town...we fail as a town.

Eldrick4221 · May 18, 2016

here

catching up summarry of where we are anyone?

turin claimed bodyguard.
I made a scum case on you. we need to lynch besi

Turin claimed busdriver. Not bodyguard.

HOLD IT!!

Turin claimed BUSDRIVER and ure all voting BESIE?? WTF???

Thank you!

I'm not the only one that thinks that claim is crap.

seph · May 18, 2016

Day over

Seph (2) - Thane, Dice

Hallia (3) - Kivam, Shad , Seph

Celeste (2) - Lenlo, Nyn

Darthe (1) - Eldrick

Turin (2) - Celeste, Besie

Kivam (3) - Sili, Hallia, Zander,

Besie (1) - Turin

Not voting (1): Darthe,

With 15 alive there are 8 to lynch!

Lynch will be randed.

the most concerning posts here are eldrick/turin.

with the masons and how sili is playing imo. we had full town vs town on the main trains.

seph- Besie, hallia, (day1)turin,dice, besie (day 2)

lenlo- celeste(day1) Besie (day 2)

sili- seph, kivam(day1) darthe, Besie, celeste (day 2) eldrick

thane- seph (day 1) Celeste, Turin (day 2) celeste

Eldrick-darthe, (day 1)Turin, Besie (day 2) celeste

darthe (day1) Turin (day 2)

shad- eldrick,hallia (day1) Turin, besie, celeste (day 2)

turin-thane, besie (day1) Besie (day 2)

zander/nyn- zander,celeste (day1) Turin, celeste (day 2)

dice- seph (day1) Seph, celeste (day 2) seph

celeste- shad, turin (day1) turin (day 2)

This is all off sooh's vc's, and slight memory, I am sure I missed a few.

Dice day 2 celest vote put her ahead of besie. him and celeste not W/W

I have a crazy assumption/tinfoil .

It looks like town has been tearing each other apart, above is not how mny times a player votes, but just who they voted during the day phase. Look at darthe/lenlo/dice/celeste what is different than everyone else?

Like I said I doubt dice /celeste is ever w/w so you could sub whichever you prefer there. But the way this game is going I feel like a mafia has never been in danger.

I think we lynch within these 3 Lenlo,dice,darthe as I have explained why I think celeste i town.

if we are looking at 4 mafa I would look at z.2/turin but I would lean more towards z2

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