Rand, Moridin and Lanfear (SPOILERS ALL BOOKS)

[CrazyHorse]

I have never seen this theory mentioned elsewhere, so I'm posting a new topic on it. I'm new to the community so I apologize if this was discussed before.

One thing that is interesting about AMoL is the relationship between lanfear and moridin.

At the beginning of the book, moridin has her mindtrap but that is never mentioned again (as far as I could tell). That raises questions, such as: Is moridin still using her mindtrap at the end of the book in SG? If so, what happens to her if moridin gets destroyed?

If he is using her mindtrap, that would certainly explain Lanfear's behavior in the whole book. In a way, she would have to prevent any damage to him if she wanted to live.

Also, along those lines, could Lanfear have impersonated moridin at the beginning of the book (chapter 4)?

I noticed a couple of odd things about the interaction between moridin and rand in this chapter. 

 

 1) First, moridin threatens the girls (weird), while using a very peculiar way of describing them (very unlike him to do so).

Moridin sneered. “He’ll let me kill you before this ends, Lews Therin. You, and the golden-haired one, and the Aiel woman, and the little darkhaired—”

 

2) Throughout the chapter, moriding avoids saying anything about their past interactions ( he seems to have grown forgetful)  :

 

Example 1 : Did you invade my dreams then, or bring me into one of these dreamshards? I was never able to figure it out.”

 Moridin said nothing.

 

Example 2: Moridin gave no clue as to what had happened on that night. Rand remembered those days faintly, traveling toward Tear. 

 

3) Third, Rand notices something is off regarding the connection between the two:

However, to draw another in, he had had to place it close to Tel’aran’rhiod. Those rules applied. There was something else, too, something about the connection between the two of them . . .

 

Anyway, it would be awesome to know if anyone had thoughts about this subject. Lanfear's behavior in the whole book is very odd..all that appearing and disappearing with Perrin... the hiring of slayer...and her present at SG at the end..

 

 

 

 

[Sabio]

Not sure what is odd about about Lanfear's behavior. Since she was mindtrapped she had to be secretive about everything.  So she used Perrin in hopes of saving the DO.  Then he would release her from her mindtrap as a reward.  As long as Moridin held her mindtrap she wouldn't dare try to impersonate him, if she got caught, it would be game over.

[CrazyHorse]

Not sure what is odd about about Lanfear's behavior. Since she was mindtrapped she had to be secretive about everything.  So she used Perrin in hopes of saving the DO.  Then he would release her from her mindtrap as a reward.  As long as Moridin held her mindtrap she wouldn't dare try to impersonate him, if she got caught, it would be game over.

Several things are still odd, even given the fact that I agree with you in general terms. For example, if that's her goal, why hire slayer ? Why sometimes she would be able to hang out with Perrin and sometimes not (i.e., how is she aware of Moridin's or the DO presence?)? Why was she bothered by the presence of the dreamspike in SG? And also, that doesn't explain Moridin's weird behavior, since in the entire series Moridin would always threaten Mat and Perrin, but never any of the girls. But oh well, maybe i'm alone in these musings. 

[jack of shadows]

lanfear wasn't impersonating moridin.

here is a quick summary of rand's movements a day prior to the field of merrilor meeting:

met the borderlanders at far madding and took them to the field of merrilor,went to sleep and met lanfear,

woke up and met perrin,returned to his tent and met aviendha,went to sleep again and met moridin.

rand met lanfear and moridin on the same night,and when he met lanfear he freely admitted 

that he wasn't aware of her existence:"those eyes.those beautiful,terrible eyes.rand gasped,

releasing her hand.the face was different.but he did know that soul.mierin? you're dead,i saw you die!"

later,when rand met moridin he said to him:"you've finally let mierin off her leash i've seen"

"she came to you?"moridin demanded.

rand said nothing.

"do not pretend that you knew she still lived.you didn't know,you couldn't have known".

lanfear already knew this,if she was impersonating moridin why the charade?

[Sabio]

Because in many ways the girls weren't important.  They were first seen as ways to get to Rand.  Mat and Perrin were important, so they were targets, all the women were initially considered pests.

 

The dream spike simply made it more difficult for her to get there, don't forget unlike slayer and Perrin she needed  to make a gateway to get out of the Dream World.  So the dream spike being there hampered her.

 

Something about being dream shared meant she could sense when Moridin was looking for her or watching her.  She could also feel when he stroked the  shard.  As Moridin became more distracted as the last battle came closer, she had more freedom to do her own thing. 

 

I always assumed her hiring Slayer was either a way to draw Perrin to SG or just another way to ensure Rand died and failed.

[mb]

about Moridin using the mindtrap (and Cyndane's fate); Cyndane died before Moridin.

 

about the order to kill Rand; Hessalam seems more likely than Cyndane.

during Cyndane's discussion with Rand, she does not attack him at any point of it.

and hiring any assassin to me seems unlike both Lanfear & Cyndane.  closest was spies in the Waste.