[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Cass]

Pral,

 

Two of the the things you've marked down against me are basically linked to confidence.

 

I have never been so calm/confident in my read and effort going into an EoD as I did D1.

 

I'd done my work on Csarmi, had mentor baking and was confident he was scum. Hence the voting early. It was confidence in my reads, not a bus.

 

I'd also had tried to engage him/had pointed out thoughts wrt his behaviour a good deal before my vote (around p.23 I IT correctly), which you seem to keep missing in your ISOs and the narrative you're spinning wrt me.

 

Knowing about my mentor, why would my increased confidence with certain aspects of this game be something that is seeming scum to you?

 

I also gave links to explain where the 3 scum conclusion comes from. You said yourself that 4 would be overpowered. How is me having an opinion on this even scummy?

[wish-tree]

The tone shift- Cass starts off as excited, buddying, fluffing, joking, even as she is focusing on details and acting paranoid, as she said. A lot of her allegations are teasing -- are you scum? If you are, I'll catch you! But I'm not going to vote you yet -- but they don't really mean anything because she never follows through. On day 1, the only serious accusations she had were Csarmi and Pralaya, and she backed off on everyone else. On day 2, after the Zander flip, she starts to act confused and then simultaneously starts to tinfoil on those originally in her town core. Her lighthearted attitude all about drops, and she is very hesitant to vote Kaylee. At this point, I'm pretty sure all of us were confused, however, at least for me, I was willing to vote Kaylee, regardless of how it looked for me. Pretty sure Pizza also did that because he cared not about what it would look like if he were wrong. Cass hedges on Kaylee and is not willing to vote, withholding her vote still at the eod. The lack of decision making and willing to stick it out even if she was wrong between first and second day Cass bothers me a lot.

 

[Cass]

*mentor backing

 

Cory never brought me baked goods :(

 

[wish-tree]

Please correct me if I'm wrong at any point in my assessment.

[wish-tree]

Vote count, please? :3

[Pralaya]

Pral,

 

Two of the the things you've marked down against me are basically linked to confidence.

 

I have never been so calm/confident in my read and effort going into an EoD as I did D1.

 

I'd done my work on Csarmi, had mentor baking and was confident he was scum. Hence the voting early. It was confidence in my reads, not a bus.

 

I'd also had tried to engage him/had pointed out thoughts wrt his behaviour a good deal before my vote (around p.23 I IT correctly), which you seem to keep missing in your ISOs and the narrative you're spinning wrt me.

 

Knowing about my mentor, why would my increased confidence with certain aspects of this game be something that is seeming scum to you?

 

I also gave links to explain where the 3 scum conclusion comes from. You said yourself that 4 would be overpowered. How is me having an opinion on this even scummy?

Well, the thing is that Csarmi hardly played. I don't see how you or even COry could come up with his posts to say confidently that he is scum. If you argument would have been "Csarmi usually is disinterested when he is scum. I see the exact same behaviour here", that would have made much more sense. Analysing his posts, when he absolutely said nothing, is where it became an overkill. And, that is the problem I have with your vote.

 

Regarding the 3-scum conclusion, again, it is not about whether your reasoning is correct or not. At exactly the point you made the post in D2, there was a discssion going on whether there were 3 or 4 scum (started by Celeste, I guess). You were not concluding it - you seemed to have knowledge of it. And that is why I bring out the subconscious play there.

[Celeste]

The tone shift- Cass starts off as excited, buddying, fluffing, joking, even as she is focusing on details and acting paranoid, as she said. A lot of her allegations are teasing -- are you scum? If you are, I'll catch you! But I'm not going to vote you yet -- but they don't really mean anything because she never follows through. On day 1, the only serious accusations she had were Csarmi and Pralaya, and she backed off on everyone else. On day 2, after the Zander flip, she starts to act confused and then simultaneously starts to tinfoil on those originally in her town core. Her lighthearted attitude all about drops, and she is very hesitant to vote Kaylee. At this point, I'm pretty sure all of us were confused, however, at least for me, I was willing to vote Kaylee, regardless of how it looked for me. Pretty sure Pizza also did that because he cared not about what it would look like if he were wrong. Cass hedges on Kaylee and is not willing to vote, withholding her vote still at the eod. The lack of decision making and willing to stick it out even if she was wrong between first and second day Cass bothers me a lot.

Hmm. Did you see any tone shift in Visors game from Cass?

[Celeste]

Anyways I'm feeling sleepy after coming from the airport. Au revior for now.

[wish-tree]

Not that I was aware of. I read her as villager throughout the entirety of that game, even as she continued to late game, but for this game, only her initial posts read well to me.

[Cass]

1. I was excited, I rolled Town on DM, with Cory as a mentor. He gave me permission to go #FullCass, which I did.

 

2. A lot of my allegations are testing , which I already explained earlier is how I make my reads, especially early game. This thought process may be left field but it has also drawn my attentionto/seen me latch onto scum early on D1 in my three most recent games as Town.

QuikTwist in Rockerfella Shank, in my first game-related post; El Barto early game in Snakes; and Zander out the gate right here.

 

3. I backed off of Zander to look for others/found Csarmi because I wasn't sure how to handle him and didn't see him getting lynched D1. I wavered on him for the first time when he started elaborating in his parts to Lenlo - and if you look closely, his posting style had changed.

 

4.Activity reduced because real life, which I was concerned about even when I signed up, BUT I'm still trying. The effort I put in at the beginning was excessive ITT for mentoring's sake. Light hearted attitude and confidence dropped because sucking/feeling lost and short of time and losing a mentor all at once kind of sucks.

 

My hesitation on Kaylee had nothing to do with how I would look and everything to do with trying to decide on my own whose reads/feels were right and whether or not she was actually Scum.

 

These are sucky, cop-out reasons to vote me (Shad's are better in a sense, even though they're null/wrong), and voting/lynching me is a waste of today when we have players who appear more likely scum.

 

Are you telling me you have more of a problem with my change in tone/attitude than you do with Nolder fluffing/dodging giving reads for the beginning of the game, overtly hesitating on Csarmi, lololol and 'brother' interacting with mutually Town-reading Zander, highlighting the idea that there's no link been Zander/Csarmi-Scum and today refusing to 'force' himself to post his cases and play along?

 

Or that my scattered attitude, which you were Town-reading me earlier for, now looks scummier than Pral, who also avoided Csarmi, and who has been mostly keeping closed and refusing to reconsider reads - on two players you were earlier confident were Town?

[Cass]

Tonight my vote goes on Nolder or Pral since everybody else still has a large percentage of 'likely Town' and that's what my learning this game is supposed to be about.

[Cass]

 

The tone shift- Cass starts off as excited, buddying, fluffing, joking, even as she is focusing on details and acting paranoid, as she said. A lot of her allegations are teasing -- are you scum? If you are, I'll catch you! But I'm not going to vote you yet -- but they don't really mean anything because she never follows through. On day 1, the only serious accusations she had were Csarmi and Pralaya, and she backed off on everyone else. On day 2, after the Zander flip, she starts to act confused and then simultaneously starts to tinfoil on those originally in her town core. Her lighthearted attitude all about drops, and she is very hesitant to vote Kaylee. At this point, I'm pretty sure all of us were confused, however, at least for me, I was willing to vote Kaylee, regardless of how it looked for me. Pretty sure Pizza also did that because he cared not about what it would look like if he were wrong. Cass hedges on Kaylee and is not willing to vote, withholding her vote still at the eod. The lack of decision making and willing to stick it out even if she was wrong between first and second day Cass bothers me a lot.

Hmm. Did you see any tone shift in Visors game from Cass?

  

Not that I was aware of. I read her as villager throughout the entirety of that game, even as she continued to late game, but for this game, only her initial posts read well to me.

This is a good question from Penny.

IIRC my mood dropped at a similar point in the game, where my main focus/suspects were eliminated and I was struggling to make reads.

[wish-tree]

I want to see where this takes us. I'm going back to sleep, but by the time I wake up, I hope that Nolder and Pralaya have tried to step up their game. Cass, I'm also looking for reactions when I do things.

 

I don't need exactly excellent reasons to vote you when I haven't placed my final vote yet. Calm down. XD

 

Okay for the losing Cory bit and real life bit. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Your hesitation to vote at all, not just on Kaylee on Day 2, is not a good look for you.

 

I'd like to hear the others' thoughts on your Zander process as well, but I'm not sure I buy that you backed off. Why didn't you go for a Zander lynch if you suspected him by the end of the day, when Pizza and Shad were going after him?

 

What I'm really curious about is reactions to being voted. Let's keep this the way it is for a little longer. I'm setting my alarm for an hour. See you again when that time comes.

[Celeste]

Wish, Lainey, and anybody else concerned about Cass. I think she is telling the truth in her recent posts. I see the struggling and paranoid tone from her as we reach the end game. She was lynched for similar reasons in her last town game. In middle earth it wasn't quite the same fight spirit in her. Reconsider Cass is all I'm asking.

[Celeste]

I am ready for this phase to end really. Nolder and Pralaya have been given enough time really. They just seem to be flailing to me.

[Cass]

 

Pral,Two of the the things you've marked down against me are basically linked to confidence.I have never been so calm/confident in my read and effort going into an EoD as I did D1.I'd done my work on Csarmi, had mentor baking and was confident he was scum. Hence the voting early. It was confidence in my reads, not a bus.I'd also had tried to engage him/had pointed out thoughts wrt his behaviour a good deal before my vote (around p.23 I IT correctly), which you seem to keep missing in your ISOs and the narrative you're spinning wrt me.Knowing about my mentor, why would my increased confidence with certain aspects of this game be something that is seeming scum to you?I also gave links to explain where the 3 scum conclusion comes from. You said yourself that 4 would be overpowered. How is me having an opinion on this even scummy?

Well, the thing is that Csarmi hardly played. I don't see how you or even COry could come up with his posts to say confidently that he is scum. If you argument would have been "Csarmi usually is disinterested when he is scum. I see the exact same behaviour here", that would have made much more sense. Analysing his posts, when he absolutely said nothing, is where it became an overkill. And, that is the problem I have with your vote.Regarding the 3-scum conclusion, again, it is not about whether your reasoning is correct or not. At exactly the point you made the post in D2, there was a discssion going on whether there were 3 or 4 scum (started by Celeste, I guess). You were not concluding it - you seemed to have knowledge of it. And that is why I bring out the subconscious play there.

It's not subconscious play at all, it's incredibly deliberate in fact. I've been trying not to use Cory's weight ITT since I feel it's slightly unfair to Town read someone/be Town read if I couldn't legitimately get there myself. But on both of those points, I did get there, after discussion and my own analysis of things.

 

I moved into analysis of Csarmi's posts because nobody else was voting/moving on him and I/we were pretty certain he was scum. Ultimately, we were right! And guess what? The extra push/posting worked, even if it was overkill. People started paying him more attention and he got lynched instead of floating through.

 

Iirc you also FoSed me for placing the initial vote during my massive 50p catch up without reasons? Or am I mistaken here?

[Cass]

@Wish

Hesitation to vote/hesitation in general is a me thing and something I was/am trying to change this game. It kind of worked, for a while.

 

I was so far behind/missing 20 pages I didn't even know/consider Pizza/Shad were really 'going after' Zander EoD1, and Csarmi was the easier to push.

 

I posted my notes/progression on Zander earlier in the game - 'He's playing scum like I do' wouldn't have cut it at the time, and in a nutshell I felt under prepared to take him on, but close.

[Cass]

[V] Nolder [/v]

 

I have 2.5 hrs to sleep before starting a 2 day drive. I have to be up just before EoD anyway to leave and will attempt to check in in time/switch to Pral if required.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Celeste (1): Nolder
Pral (3): Shad, Celeste, Pizza

Cass (2): Pral, Wish

Nolder (1): Cass
 
Not voting (1): Laine

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With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
 
PRAL IS AT L-2

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday, January 14 at 9:00 AM MST (11 AM EST)

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160114T09&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+Three&font=cursive&csz=1

[Songstress]

DEADLINE IS IN 1 HOUR

[wish-tree]

I like the explanations from Cass, and Celeste only serves to make me agree with that. I can go Nolder or Pralaya today. Seeing that they have done nothing in the time allotted them, I am kind of fed up with continuing to wait and delay, to give them the benefit of the doubt. Laine, I'm placing my vote on Pralaya. A lynch is better than a no lynch today. It's up to you to make that final vote, and I think you'll make the right decision.

 

[V] Unvote [/V] [V] Vote: Pralaya[/V]

[wish-tree]

Lol, formatting. [v] Pralaya [/V]

[Cass]

[unvote] Nolder [/unvote]

 

[V] Pral [/v]

 

Don't see switch happening in an hour.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Celeste (1): Nolder
Pral (5): Shad, Celeste, Pizza, Wish, Cass
Cass (1): Pral
 
Not voting (1): Laine

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With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch
 
That's a lynch...

[Songstress]

The dragons had come, all of them -- come in force, filling the skies as far as the eye could see with wings of red, bronze, green, blue and black.  They arranged themselves in an array behind the leader: Neltharion, the Aspect of Earth himself, holding in one claw a small golden disk, the weapon they had each given of themselves to create.
 
The might of the Dragon Soul was terrible to behold as it wreaked destruction on the forces of the Burning Legion below.  Malygos turned to the Earth Warder, eager to break free from the magical array and pursue the fleeing demons.
 
"NO!" The black leviathan roared, madness in his voice. "You will not betray me!  This is my time, and all must obey or face destruction!"
 
Malygos found himself frozen in mid-air, suspended by magic -- as was every dragon in the array -- and unable to prevent the horror that followed.   The power of the Dragon Soul was turned on the Night Elves then, decimating what should have been their allies.  
 
The attack seemed to go on and on, until movement caught the eye of the Aspect of Magic.  Something familiar rushed through the sky, growing larger as it neared, and Malygos finally recognized the form of a young red, one of Alexstrasza's flight.  He had been absent when the flights began their approach to the battlefield, and so had not been trapped with the others.  At top speed, he dove into Neltharion's flank, his powerful form sending the larger dragon reeling.  
 
There was a vicious duel then, and the distraction weakened the spell that had frozen the others, allowing Malygos and his blue dragonflight to intervene.  As the black dragon turned to aim a blast of pure molten lava at his foe, he was surrounded by a blue glow, imprisoned by the combined effort of Malygos and his flight.  
 
"Fools," the Aspect of Earth laughed darkly. "You will serve as a warning.  None who oppose me shall survive... not even dragons."
 
A silver glow emanated from the disk held in his claw, and seemed to radiate outward to every blue dragon holding the shield on him... then as one the entire blue dragonflight became gray, shriveled, and wasted before the eyes of all as their power -- their life force itself -- was drained into the Dragon Soul.
 
Pralaya - Malygos the Spellweaver, Vanilla Town - has been lynched.
 
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