Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Nynaeve]

Calder.... a read list would be nice. kthanks. And save me the trouble of asking you to expand when you give a list with no explanations, mkay?

[Nolder]

The underlined makes more sense; do you have an ordered list though?

How are you getting town!Calder?

Not really. I don't like ranking my reads anymore since I've found it problematic in the past.

I guess I can make a ranked list if you really want me to.

 

Town Calder is through his interactions with Shad.

I thought he came out of the argument looking good, I just think he's wrong.

 

Looks good because you made a stance and we lynched mafia. You nudged a train, giving it more momentum, it happened to lynch scum.

Ok but we're not talking about the flip we're talking about the vote. If Shad...

 

Ugghh just, nevermind.

This is a really dumb conversation and it's distracting from more important stuff.

Ya'll think what you want about why I voted and what it means I don't even care anymore lol.

[Nolder]

I just realized how uncomfortable it is to be scum reading both Thane and Nolder, but to have Nolder's vote with me on Thane.

 

Ew.

 

[unvote]

 

Now I'm really going to bed.

 

Will reevaluate when I'm awake and after I do at least a quarter of my homework <3

[Calder]

Calder.... a read list would be nice. kthanks. And save me the trouble of asking you to expand when you give a list with no explanations, mkay?

Prepping for a party right now at my house. So have to sign off, but will respond later.

[Nolder]

Up until yesterday..... Calder didn't even give any reads.... on anyone. Bar Shad.

 

First mention of actual reads was yesterday with this post

 

 

 

Well i think the last 2 scum are in this group - Hallia/Calder/Shad (big gap).....Zander

 

Since i am Calder, i would prefer one of the other two in the main clump.

 

He hasn't mentioned Halli at all up until this point. Nor Zander, from what I could tell. And apparently he doesn't have anything to say about the remaining players? 

 

Is that so? I didn't realize that. Might be willing to throw him back into the wildcard section if he doesn't post some good reads and back them up.

[Nynaeve]

I was beating the drum for Shad's lynch since like page 3. Even when i temporarily unvoted and then revoted for him i believe he still had more votes than Crusher without me. But, lets consider your point anyway. In your mind i pushed Shad hard to divert attention away from the growing pressure on Crusher.

If i am so concerned about protecting Crusher than why wouldn't i have been active at EoD. I was not on for hours prior to EoD. I had my vote on Shad and it was obvious when i left it was going to come out close and that it would prob be crusher since it was trending up. So if i am in your mind motivated by a need to get a townie lynched instead of Crusher, then why would i not bother being active during the crucial hours needed to sway the vote?

 

 

Nope. You unvoted.... making it so Crusher had 2 votes and Shad had 1. Then Zander voted Shad, tying the trains. Then you revoted and put Shad in the lead with 3 votes.

 

Not sure the point about being around or not has any merit *shrugs*  I mean.... what can you really do as a scummate, other than putting your vote into good use by trying to feed the other train... or bussing? I don't understand your point.

[Nynaeve]

Also, townread the hell out of me? You straight up said to me yesterday if Crusher flipped scum then you would pressure me.

 

So once he flipped scum, according to your logic if i am scum then i would have killed you. Bc you already made your intentions clear about how you would feel about me if Crusher flipped scum.

 

This is prolly my least favorite post of yours. If anything..... Kiv dying would have made you look the worst if you claim that he made his intentions so known. Plus in this setup, finding the seer is a priority and you know it.

 

 

 

Kivam has decided i am scum already and is just trying to pull together a story that makes it look like i am guilty. But, as a i posted above the actual events don't support his theory. If he had come out and said he just needs to lynch one of me and Shad for info and trusts me less i could respect that. But, not this pathetic theory.

 

Meh

[Nynaeve]

 

Calder.... a read list would be nice. kthanks. And save me the trouble of asking you to expand when you give a list with no explanations, mkay?

Prepping for a party right now at my house. So have to sign off, but will respond later.

 

 

Roger that. I should be around later, Maybe. 

[Calder]

Before real response will say i agree with Nyn. Kiv being killed would look bad for me. My statement was trying to express confusion over his point. Bc he said he was trying to townread me so i wouldn't kill him. But, as nyn just said the fact that he thought i was scum was the reason it would look bad. So i guess i am guilty in Kivam's eyes either way.

[Calder]

 

 

Calder.... a read list would be nice. kthanks. And save me the trouble of asking you to expand when you give a list with no explanations, mkay?

 

Prepping for a party right now at my house. So have to sign off, but will respond later.

 

Roger that. I should be around later, Maybe.

I thought about lying to you, but i think your nice and put in a lot of effort. So i am going to tell you the truth.

 

I am never going to give more than one real read and the read i give may not be really what i truly think. It is a funadamental difference in philosophy. I am patient and willing to play the long game. People approach mafia by scumhunting as town and appearing to when scum.

 

I reject that entirely and do the opposite. I play in my scum persona at all times. If a 1/3 of the players aren't willing to lynch me at any given time than i consider that phase a failure. If you guys lynch me then i am gonna flip town and my reputation stays intact. If you let me live than I get to operate as scummily as i please and not get lynched. Its a win/win.

[Thane Vakarian]

interesting. I will not be around much tomorrow, and only more or less in today (training my viking group tomorrow)

 

I half expected people to go after me for not voting. Logical. Sorta. Personally, i dislike D1, and i do not vote unless i'm 100% convinced they will flip wolf. In some games, i didn't even vote D2 either. My vote is the only power i got, so i want to get the right one, if i can. 

 

i am still feeling bad about the town loss last game i was in. I want to have a town win in this one. 

 

@Nolder: Is AJ providing seer cover in your opinion or is he.... something else?

 

@AJ: I find it interesting that you would have picked Zander and myself as your peeks. Personally, i have 3 ideas in my head:
1) you actually are seer and are doing your job well, clearing people when not finding wolves
2) you can be providing seer cover and you're lucky guessing your peeks

3) you're wolf, so you know who's town and are fakepeeking to gain towncred. 

 

i find scenario 1 the most likely, and would hate if it were 3. If it's 2, then good, you did guess 2 townies right. (if you wanna know, Zander is town imo)

 

at this point, the way i feel about this game, is this; top town to wolf

 

Thane

Zander

Nyn

AJ

Clov

Calder

Kivam

Shad
Laine
Nolder
Hallia

[Nolder]

What kind of strategy is that? Distract the town by acting scummy as you please doesn't sound conducive to catching scum imo.

[Nolder]

That was to Calder. Thane sniped me.

[Nolder]

interesting. I will not be around much tomorrow, and only more or less in today (training my viking group tomorrow)

 

I half expected people to go after me for not voting. Logical. Sorta. Personally, i dislike D1, and i do not vote unless i'm 100% convinced they will flip wolf. In some games, i didn't even vote D2 either. My vote is the only power i got, so i want to get the right one, if i can. 

 

i am still feeling bad about the town loss last game i was in. I want to have a town win in this one. 

 

@Nolder: Is AJ providing seer cover in your opinion or is he.... something else?

But you have unlimited votes, why "save" them for the right moment?

I don't know. Why are you hunting Seer and not wolves?

[Calder]

What kind of strategy is that? Distract the town by acting scummy as you please doesn't sound conducive to catching scum imo.

Shockingly i have several converts who swear by it and they are good players. We play for the win, but don't forget how our actions impact perception of us.

[Nynaeve]

I thought about lying to you, but i think your nice and put in a lot of effort. So i am going to tell you the truth.

I am never going to give more than one real read and the read i give may not be really what i truly think. It is a funadamental difference in philosophy. I am patient and willing to play the long game. People approach mafia by scumhunting as town and appearing to when scum.

 

I reject that entirely and do the opposite. I play in my scum persona at all times. If a 1/3 of the players aren't willing to lynch me at any given time than i consider that phase a failure. If you guys lynch me then i am gonna flip town and my reputation stays intact. If you let me live than I get to operate as scummily as i please and not get lynched. Its a win/win.

 

 

So what are you saying? That you aren't going to give out reads? That you're gonna act like scum regardless of your alignment? If you're town, how is that beneficial? My job involves being able to read you (hopefully correctly). If you're gonna be an impediment to that, then I won't mind seeing you swing, even if you turn out being town. It pretty much boils down to that.

 

You haven't really given your thoughts on the majority of the players. You've made the game about Shad. A little bit about Kiv. You're like the third high poster in the game..... but have little to show for, imo. You recently threw in Halli and Zander into your suspect list but you didn't provide any reasons for that. So.... you're gonna have do that....  assuming you're looking to find scum and convince me you aren't one. Otherwise.... I'm gonna interpret that as you not wanting to play ball.

[Nynaeve]

I think your nice

 

Wolfy lol

[Calder]

Clov - Very impressive performance btw. Strong day 1. Even better to open day 2 saying this game is basically solved and here is the small suspect list that is left. Look in this direction and spend multiple phases wasted lynching these people. Baller move.

[Nynaeve]

Are you FoSing Clov?

[Calder]

 

I thought about lying to you, but i think your nice and put in a lot of effort. So i am going to tell you the truth.

 

I am never going to give more than one real read and the read i give may not be really what i truly think. It is a funadamental difference in philosophy. I am patient and willing to play the long game. People approach mafia by scumhunting as town and appearing to when scum.

I reject that entirely and do the opposite. I play in my scum persona at all times. If a 1/3 of the players aren't willing to lynch me at any given time than i consider that phase a failure. If you guys lynch me then i am gonna flip town and my reputation stays intact. If you let me live than I get to operate as scummily as i please and not get lynched. Its a win/win.

 

 

So what are you saying? That you aren't going to give out reads? That you're gonna act like scum regardless of your alignment? If you're town, how is that beneficial? My job involves being able to read you (hopefully correctly). If you're gonna be an impediment to that, then I won't mind seeing you swing, even if you turn out being town. It pretty much boils down to that.

 

You haven't really given your thoughts on the majority of the players. You've made the game about Shad. A little bit about Kiv. You're like the third high poster in the game..... but have little to show for, imo. You recently threw in Halli and Zander into your suspect list but you didn't provide any reasons for that. So.... you're gonna have do that....  assuming you're looking to find scum and convince me you aren't one. Otherwise.... I'm gonna interpret that as you not wanting to play ball.

Ask Clov if I am serious.

 

You can accept that i will help town in the way i play the game or lynch me and be back at the same place tomorrow with 2 dead townies (following the NK).

[Nolder]

Are you FoSing Clov?

I think he's talking to Clov. I'm not 100% sure though...

[Calder]

 

I think your nice

 

 

Wolfy lol

I'm sad you doubt me.

[Nolder]

Calder if we all agreed to lynch you would you give us your top reads for scum before you were lynched?

[Nynaeve]

 

 

I think your nice

 

Wolfy lol

I'm sad you doubt me.

 

 

This was mostly a joke at you thinking I'm nice. Heh.

[Calder]

Calder if we all agreed to lynch you would you give us your top reads for scum before you were lynched?

Yes I would.