Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[BFG]

Why do you not want to lynch those 4?

 

oh and good evening :)

Good evening :)

 

Tress is a weak meta read based on her conversation with Sili and later on with me yesterday. I need to read the rest of the thread to see how solid this is.

 

From what I've read Day 2, Mish has done a lot to drive discussion at least today (I don't remember a lot from her Day 1)

 

Lenlo is because of early Day 1 and how involved he was, and from what I remember has been pretty consistent with that level of involvement.

 

Snow is because of the internal consistency in his follow up with Sili then Sooh.

 

 

 

I'm also able to tinfoil on all of them; the Tress meta read hasn't really been tested by me yet and I'm not sure how much I trust it just yet and is also possibly out-dated (hangover from April Fool's).

 

I don't think I have any mafia meta on Mish

 

Lenlo I think would be having most fun as Loki based on meta before his break, but I really don't 'get' the 'case' on him by Wishleste

 

Snow because of his relative absence after he's gathered a few town reads.

 

However, the positive stuff I have for them is more than other people, so for now they're out of my wt.

 

 

[Talya]

Anyway, redoing some thoughts.

 

Scum: John Snow (he's been gone for a long time and I'd like him to post. Feel like he might hammer us during the deadline. Or has he already done that? Prolly.)

BFG (even after all that kerfluffle I threw at her, she remained calm and continued to try to see a situation in which we weren't Mafia/Loki. Also, Sooh didn't look good with sheeping the thread read of Celeste/me as scum.)

Sili (yeah. I'm suspicious of him because he votes us yet sort of defends us against others by mentioning my meta. Regardless what I flip, he'll look good. Don't like that.)

Mish (really don't like her suspicions of Talya and other town. Also don't like her insisting on having her way or calling everyone who doesn't listen not town.)

 

Loki: Lenlo (cute. I don't see how Loki thing is a survivor wincon. Being the last man standing sounds like SK wincon. It would be best to have a gun to be the last man standing.)

 

the rest: town

 

 

That feels like a set up. Deadline hasn't been set yet, so I think we have a bit of time as it wasn't going to be set until after your Labour day?

 

[BFG]

 

***SNIP****

 

#391 I'm liking Talia's use of her vote, and the fact that it doesn't seem to be carefully considered, but I've been burnt too many times here :/

 

****SNIP****

 

you wound me ;) You're okay you won't get burnt here. Only lynched if you are wolf or Loki

 

Sceptical look

 

Lol, I'm town <3

 

Do you SWEAR this is the game we're town together???

 

 

 

Out of curiosity...

 

 

You salsa'd with Verb earlier... Cuban or cross-body

 

 

 

 

[BFG]

Yeah I think ISOing wish-tree/Celeste is going to be a priority soon, even in the past 24 hours there's a degree of internal inconsistency I can't follow yet.

[Talya]

 

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BFG and Sooh both value Cory's reads.

I actually just ISO's Sooh and she doesn't mention Cory's reads. Do you mean Tress?

 

Why wouldn't I value Cory's reads?

 

 

I'm sure Sooh used Cory's read of Wishleste to make her read of them.

 

[Taborline]

 

 

 

 

Where else do you want to look?

 

 

Meh, I don't like it as much as Iron Man 1

 

At the moment I had them/you and Verb at the bottom of my list.

 

You've been asking a lot of questions, what about a WTL from you?

 

I don't have a WTL yet, I don't want to lynch Tress, Mish, Lenlo, Snow

 

Then why state that you're uneasy that we're in 'everyone's wtl piles?

 

 

I said last night why. Do you not think it odd that the same people are in everyones WTL...there are 4 wolves out there which means they are happy to get rid of two (maybe three if you include Verb) of their team, if we are all right. That makes me a little uneasy, and that maybe they aren't all wolf. But I haven't liked much what all three have done.

 

I don't know what everyone's POE is.

 

I know *why you said it, but it reads like hedging. 'We're bottom of your list, but we're bottom of everyone's lists so maybe we're town' sort of thing. I dunno, I can easily see myself arguing that exact same thing, so I can't say it's exactly scummy to me, but I have no idea how to read you. I guess I'm going to be hyper-critical for a while :(

 

In general I'm not a fan that Wishlestes train has no real counter, but their posting from last night is leaving me feeling uneasy and I certainly don't have anywhere better to look just yet.

 

 

This is a possibility, and it would be frustrating if they do turn out to be town.

[BFG]

 

 

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BFG and Sooh both value Cory's reads.

I actually just ISO's Sooh and she doesn't mention Cory's reads. Do you mean Tress?

 

Why wouldn't I value Cory's reads?

 

 

I'm sure Sooh used Cory's read of Wishleste to make her read of them.

 

Maybe, I was looking for the read list that she's saying I used (given the use of the word value).

[Talya]

 

 

***SNIP****

 

#391 I'm liking Talia's use of her vote, and the fact that it doesn't seem to be carefully considered, but I've been burnt too many times here :/

 

****SNIP****

 

you wound me ;) You're okay you won't get burnt here. Only lynched if you are wolf or Loki

 

Sceptical look

 

Lol, I'm town <3

 

Do you SWEAR this is the game we're town together???

 

 

 

Out of curiosity...

 

 

You salsa'd with Verb earlier... Cuban or cross-body

 

 

 

 

Cross-body...Strictly style, lol

 

I really hope we are town together, I don't think we have been yet...it would be sweet

 

I get a little paranoid when everyone starts coming up with the same wolves, if there had been a cop view or something...different, but there hasn't been. You know when in your head you think your have people as mafia and then everyone else starts to as well...you start doubting yourself and questioning. Although I think wisheleste haven't done anything to change my mind about them. If there are mafia, then people are definitely bussing them, unless it is all those that have been absent (JS, Ocicat and Verb)

[Talya]

 

 

 

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BFG and Sooh both value Cory's reads.

I actually just ISO's Sooh and she doesn't mention Cory's reads. Do you mean Tress?

 

Why wouldn't I value Cory's reads?

 

 

I'm sure Sooh used Cory's read of Wishleste to make her read of them.

 

Maybe, I was looking for the read list that she's saying I used (given the use of the word value).

 

 I don't remember her doing that. Wish did it, in fact there was one list and she referred to it I think

[BFG]

 

 

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I said last night why. Do you not think it odd that the same people are in everyones WTL...there are 4 wolves out there which means they are happy to get rid of two (maybe three if you include Verb) of their team, if we are all right. That makes me a little uneasy, and that maybe they aren't all wolf. But I haven't liked much what all three have done.

I don't know what everyone's POE is.

 

I know *why you said it, but it reads like hedging. 'We're bottom of your list, but we're bottom of everyone's lists so maybe we're town' sort of thing. I dunno, I can easily see myself arguing that exact same thing, so I can't say it's exactly scummy to me, but I have no idea how to read you. I guess I'm going to be hyper-critical for a while :(

 

In general I'm not a fan that Wishlestes train has no real counter, but their posting from last night is leaving me feeling uneasy and I certainly don't have anywhere better to look just yet.

 

 

This is a possibility, and it would be frustrating if they do turn out to be town.

 

They is we. I am Sooh (sort of) XD

 

So what are your reads at this point? Again I don't recall a lot from you yet :( (sorry)

[Talya]

Posted too soon. To the last quote - do you want me to vote you? Does Oci have a better role than you? Oci has been my main suspect so far and so I vote him. Might change today though.

 

 

About Oci: I looked at Tress´ chart again. A lot of people suspected Oci yesterday. It was only Celeste that townread him. But today most people don´t mention him at all. I find that strange. 

 

Why would ask Leelou if she thought Oci had a better role than her? we don't know our roles!

 

Oci hasn't been around much today, if at all. I would like to see more of him (I always want to see more of people... :/) before I jump down that road.

 

[Talya]

****SNIP****

 

 

Early game Celeste was accused of soft defending Ocicat, but when I read it it read like she was offering a meta statement that agreed that pressure should be put on him as it makes it easier to read. She also took a meta statement of Roderick into account in a way that could be soft defence, but if she's a meta girl could be nothing more than what's stated.

 

 

*****SNIP****

 

 

I remember the bit you mention, it was one of the things that made me think Celeste was wolf. She did mention Oci meta, and that he should be put under pressure, but she never came back and said if it was pressure, or how he responded to that pressure and what could bee gained from his reactions. She left it. She posted looking like she was helping, but didn't really do anything

 

[BFG]

 

 

 

***SNIP****

 

#391 I'm liking Talia's use of her vote, and the fact that it doesn't seem to be carefully considered, but I've been burnt too many times here :/

 

****SNIP****

 

you wound me ;) You're okay you won't get burnt here. Only lynched if you are wolf or Loki

 

Sceptical look

 

Lol, I'm town <3

 

Do you SWEAR this is the game we're town together???

 

 

 

Out of curiosity...

 

 

You salsa'd with Verb earlier... Cuban or cross-body

 

 

 

 

Cross-body...Strictly style, lol

 

I really hope we are town together, I don't think we have been yet...it would be sweet

 

I get a little paranoid when everyone starts coming up with the same wolves, if there had been a cop view or something...different, but there hasn't been. You know when in your head you think your have people as mafia and then everyone else starts to as well...you start doubting yourself and questioning. Although I think wisheleste haven't done anything to change my mind about them. If there are mafia, then people are definitely bussing them, unless it is all those that have been absent (JS, Ocicat and Verb)

 

This could be the end of a beautiful friendship </3 I'm strictly a Cuban girl, although I cross-bodied in Abu Dhabi...

 

It depends on if it's because people are just sheeping reads or if it's a genuine POE, if that makes sense? (I may just skip Day 1 until I have more time and concentrate on Day 2 (EOD1 if I have time)). In Belichick Rand and Verb were (unfortunate) necessary mislynches, and if I'm in that position this time that's fine, but the threads been too quiet (I know it's a bank holiday weekend for the US so not unexpected) since I joined for me to feel confident that it's a similar situation.

[Talya]

***SNIP****

 

 

*That "claim" was really not good. First, I don´t think they or Talya (or anyone else) can assume anything about their roles since not everyone have a role. Second, how on earth could they think they could read anything out of their action that they don´t know if they have, when there are redirections. (Two people have said so today.) 

* Lenlo - you haven´t liked that I have nothing to say about you, but I really like your questioning/responces to WishCeleste. And I have no idea how they could make Lenlo´s post into a Loki read. It seems to be all made up, just like the "claim".

* It looks like their change of reads all of a sudden is mostly based on who suspects them, but to me it looks like a way to make it harder for us to read any connections to other mafia if/once they turn out mafia.

 

***SNIP****

 

 

I'm not assuming anything about my role, I was concerned what it could be and decided not to use it, although I could be VT

[BFG]

 

****SNIP****

 

 

Early game Celeste was accused of soft defending Ocicat, but when I read it it read like she was offering a meta statement that agreed that pressure should be put on him as it makes it easier to read. She also took a meta statement of Roderick into account in a way that could be soft defence, but if she's a meta girl could be nothing more than what's stated.

 

 

*****SNIP****

 

I remember the bit you mention, it was one of the things that made me think Celeste was wolf. She did mention Oci meta, and that he should be put under pressure, but she never came back and said if it was pressure, or how he responded to that pressure and what could bee gained from his reactions. She left it. She posted looking like she was helping, but didn't really do anything

 

This is similar to what Sili said earlier and makes more sense then the posts I'd read previously. The issue I have is that I thought people were saying she was defending him and it didn't read that way, observations that her post didn't add much to the discussion make more sense, and now I'm wondering if I misread the defence bits /shrug

[Taborline]

 

 

 

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I said last night why. Do you not think it odd that the same people are in everyones WTL...there are 4 wolves out there which means they are happy to get rid of two (maybe three if you include Verb) of their team, if we are all right. That makes me a little uneasy, and that maybe they aren't all wolf. But I haven't liked much what all three have done.

I don't know what everyone's POE is.

 

I know *why you said it, but it reads like hedging. 'We're bottom of your list, but we're bottom of everyone's lists so maybe we're town' sort of thing. I dunno, I can easily see myself arguing that exact same thing, so I can't say it's exactly scummy to me, but I have no idea how to read you. I guess I'm going to be hyper-critical for a while :(

 

In general I'm not a fan that Wishlestes train has no real counter, but their posting from last night is leaving me feeling uneasy and I certainly don't have anywhere better to look just yet.

 

 

This is a possibility, and it would be frustrating if they do turn out to be town.

 

They is we. I am Sooh (sort of) XD

 

So what are your reads at this point? Again I don't recall a lot from you yet :( (sorry)

 

 

Ah! I was reading it as Wish/Celeste, which is why I said it would be so frustrating.

 

My reads list at the moment:

 

Sili 

Lenlo

Tina

Tress

Lee

Mish

Talya 

John Snow

 

BFG/Sooh

Eldrick

 

Ocicat

Verbal

Wish

 

I've flipped on Mish; I originally had her down as orange from a reaction she had in a conversation with Wish in this post as it seemed like a really strong reaction, but since the end of N1 and her eagerness to share her night time targets/solve night actions, coupled with Cory's town flip and his trusting of her, I've put her back in my town pile. 

 

Eldrick, I really don't know. Some of his posts seem aptly timed, or as Sili said, "insincere", like adding on to Mish's role post that the same thing happened to him, and being really keen to be a part of her town couple. Also, the weird "I can't read Sili's spoiler because I'm not Loki" post. He could also completely be town, and actually be on the ball to try and be helpful. I need to go back and read his posts together.

 

For Sooh/BFG, I've not managed to get a good read of her or you yet.

[Talya]

BFG :( but I like doing all the turns...I can do a fab pirouette

[Talya]

 

 

****SNIP****

 

 

Early game Celeste was accused of soft defending Ocicat, but when I read it it read like she was offering a meta statement that agreed that pressure should be put on him as it makes it easier to read. She also took a meta statement of Roderick into account in a way that could be soft defence, but if she's a meta girl could be nothing more than what's stated.

 

 

*****SNIP****

 

I remember the bit you mention, it was one of the things that made me think Celeste was wolf. She did mention Oci meta, and that he should be put under pressure, but she never came back and said if it was pressure, or how he responded to that pressure and what could bee gained from his reactions. She left it. She posted looking like she was helping, but didn't really do anything

 

This is similar to what Sili said earlier and makes more sense then the posts I'd read previously. The issue I have is that I thought people were saying she was defending him and it didn't read that way, observations that her post didn't add much to the discussion make more sense, and now I'm wondering if I misread the defence bits /shrug

 

 

I think there was mention of defending.

[BFG]

 

Hi guys. I kinda disappeared. Sorry about that. 

 

Mish, I think the people who were calling me feisty were in fact surprised by it, as I'm usually not in games. 

 

I do play differently here. Exactly why I can't tell you, except I tend to have good games and bad games. It depends a lot on how much energy I have to put into it I guess. 

 

Anyway. I think so far I feel pretty good about Sili, Lenlo, Tress, Mish, Eldrick, Taboo and JS.

 

I need to reread and ISO Tina, Talya and Leelou, as they are impossible to read for me usually. 

 

I'm even less sure about WishLeste and Ocicat. However, they might be this low in my list because I don't know them very well. 

 

And Verb is definitely bottom of my list. 

 

Come Monday Verb really needs to get some work done if he's Town. Because just saying "I'm town because" isn't cutting it for me. 

 

 

Going to try to get some ISOs done today, but I need to finish a report first.

 

Hi BFG! It would be good to see what you think about Sooh´s list.

 

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I agree with some of her town reads, but at this point pretty much everyone else is null.

 

Where are you at, other than Wishleste?

[Taborline]

 

I've flipped on Mish; I originally had her down as orange from a reaction she had in a conversation with Wish in this post as it seemed like a really strong reaction, but since the end of N1 and her eagerness to share her night time targets/solve night actions, coupled with Cory's town flip and his trusting of her, I've put her back in my town pile. 

 

Eldrick, I really don't know. Some of his posts seem aptly timed, or as Sili said, "insincere", like adding on to Mish's role post that the same thing happened to him, and being really keen to be a part of her town couple. Also, the weird "I can't read Sili's spoiler because I'm not Loki" post. He could also completely be town, and actually be on the ball to try and be helpful. I need to go back and read his posts together.

 

For Sooh/BFG, I've not managed to get a good read of her or you yet.

 

 

I say "some of", I should probably lower that to "those two" posts.

[BFG]

BFG :( but I like doing all the turns...I can do a fab pirouette

But Cuban is nothing but turns... and you can do the roueda (sp?) which is soooooooooooo much fun!!!

[BFG]

Something that's 'odd' although probably not alignment indicative is how many people have 3 mafia reads (Sooh did the same, so I know it's not scummy in and of itself) just odd. Maybe it's because most people have the same reads, I dunno

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

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I said last night why. Do you not think it odd that the same people are in everyones WTL...there are 4 wolves out there which means they are happy to get rid of two (maybe three if you include Verb) of their team, if we are all right. That makes me a little uneasy, and that maybe they aren't all wolf. But I haven't liked much what all three have done.

I don't know what everyone's POE is.

 

I know *why you said it, but it reads like hedging. 'We're bottom of your list, but we're bottom of everyone's lists so maybe we're town' sort of thing. I dunno, I can easily see myself arguing that exact same thing, so I can't say it's exactly scummy to me, but I have no idea how to read you. I guess I'm going to be hyper-critical for a while :(

 

In general I'm not a fan that Wishlestes train has no real counter, but their posting from last night is leaving me feeling uneasy and I certainly don't have anywhere better to look just yet.

 

 

This is a possibility, and it would be frustrating if they do turn out to be town.

 

They is we. I am Sooh (sort of) XD

 

So what are your reads at this point? Again I don't recall a lot from you yet :( (sorry)

 

 

Ah! I was reading it as Wish/Celeste, which is why I said it would be so frustrating.

 

My reads list at the moment:

 

Sili 

Lenlo

Tina

Tress

Lee

Mish

Talya 

John Snow

 

BFG/Sooh

Eldrick

 

Ocicat

Verbal

Wish

 

I've flipped on Mish; I originally had her down as orange from a reaction she had in a conversation with Wish in this post as it seemed like a really strong reaction, but since the end of N1 and her eagerness to share her night time targets/solve night actions, coupled with Cory's town flip and his trusting of her, I've put her back in my town pile. 

 

Eldrick, I really don't know. Some of his posts seem aptly timed, or as Sili said, "insincere", like adding on to Mish's role post that the same thing happened to him, and being really keen to be a part of her town couple. Also, the weird "I can't read Sili's spoiler because I'm not Loki" post. He could also completely be town, and actually be on the ball to try and be helpful. I need to go back and read his posts together.

 

For Sooh/BFG, I've not managed to get a good read of her or you yet.

 

Can you explain your town reads? Is your list ordered?

[BFG]

 

 

 

****SNIP****

 

 

Early game Celeste was accused of soft defending Ocicat, but when I read it it read like she was offering a meta statement that agreed that pressure should be put on him as it makes it easier to read. She also took a meta statement of Roderick into account in a way that could be soft defence, but if she's a meta girl could be nothing more than what's stated.

 

 

*****SNIP****

 

I remember the bit you mention, it was one of the things that made me think Celeste was wolf. She did mention Oci meta, and that he should be put under pressure, but she never came back and said if it was pressure, or how he responded to that pressure and what could bee gained from his reactions. She left it. She posted looking like she was helping, but didn't really do anything

 

This is similar to what Sili said earlier and makes more sense then the posts I'd read previously. The issue I have is that I thought people were saying she was defending him and it didn't read that way, observations that her post didn't add much to the discussion make more sense, and now I'm wondering if I misread the defence bits /shrug

 

 

I think there was mention of defending.

 

I may have to check this again at some point

[BFG]

I need to get something to eat, I'll be back in a bit :)