Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Talya]

 

It's been some day...

 

I don't know what to say.

 

I'll have reread that, I scanned through on and off at work.

[Talya]

I'm going back over last night and today

 

Seriously verbal is scum. His interactions seen strange with the people who play with him a lot.

 

What do you mean by strange, can you post some quotes to show what you mean?  (you may have answered this, can't remember)

[Talya]

 

Where else do you want to look?

 

 

Meh, I don't like it as much as Iron Man 1

 

 

At the moment I had them/you and Verb at the bottom of my list.

 

You've been asking a lot of questions, what about a WTL from you?

[Talya]

What I'm not getting is that some people refuse to answer people's posts and only pick and choose what they like answering, and they're calling Celeste out for, well, doing the same thing?

 

 

The irony. I've seen a lot of it this game. How is it this obvious and you guys aren't seeing it? I'm always super easy to lynch when I'm town.

 

I believe I'm a roleblocker of some sort because I did some research on my character. I targeted John Snow N1.

 

Remember how there were only two kills N1? One probably from town vig (who was Dice), and the other from either Loki/Mafia.

 

If I'm roleblocker, then I must have prevented a kill if both Loki and Mafia have NKs. John Snow is either Loki or Mafia.

 

This has what has been eating away at me. No one pointed that out, and it was so obvious to me. I've also been busy with friends, so I've had no time to post. RL is falling apart, and I'm kind of unstable atm, but Celeste hasn't been helping us look any more town, and I don't want to lose the ability I believe I can use for town.

 

@Sili: Earlier, I said that your posts made so much sense. I was being sarcastic. Could you read between the lines? I ISO'd you when you contradicted yourself. Are you that self-confident?

 

Don't like this post. If people aren't answering questions why aren't you pushing it then? What are the questions that aren't being answered?

 

Ok, I can understand you thinking about what your role might be. However, you don't actually know, it may not be what you think or you may not have one altogether, so I can't see how you can make this assumption.

 

I'm trying to work out if you were trying to push Jon Snow as Loki, to get people off you (mafia) or didn't really think this through (dumb town).

 

I will be interested in what Celeste says about this. As for blaming your partner for the votes on you is quite bad, it's like you are trying to blame the way she plays rather than you may have given yourself away as mafia.

 

 

[Talya]

 

^lol, Other than not liking Sili?

Lol.

 

I do like Sili personally, but I'm not liking what he's doing atm.

 

So far, my reads are contingent on as far as I can tell, observable results. I've changed my mind a lot since my last reads list.

 

Top scum: John Snow. Read above explanation. Atm idk if I was redirected, but if he had a kill, then I stopped it.

Scummy: Tress, Mish, Sili, Taborline

Town: Talya, Sooh/BFG, Lenlo, Leelou, Ocicat, Eldrick, Tina, Verbal

 

Some things I don't like: Mish's 'lynch my top two lynch candidates or you're scum'. Mish's desperate pushing of the theory that Celeste and I are Loki (XD).

Taborline's lurking and posting only to drop a vote on Celeste and me gives me a really bad feeling. It's too easy. Too convenient. :/

Sili's strong stance that we were town and then suddenly swapping his vote 'for reactions' while the thread was shifting towards us being the top WTL.

Tress, Talya, and Sooh using Cory's reads list to determine their own reads, but not even using the most updated version of that reads list.

 

 

Process of elimination says that Sooh, Verbal, Ocicat and Eldrick are town, when I before believed they were scum/null. Liking BFG's calmness and good analysis so far.

 

 

I did not use Cory's list to determine my reads, I never do.

 

 

[Talya]

Meant to say to my above post...what analysis has BFG done at this point? She has asked a lot of questions but haven't seen much analysis.

 

How do you put the POE in that list, what have done, do you think, that warrants them being in the town slot?

[Talya]

*Sings*

 

ALL BY MY SELFFFFYYYYELFFFF

[Talya]

 

 

Mish

Tina

Song

JS

Eldrick

Lenlo

 

Talya

Lee

Ocicat

 

Taborline

 

BFG

Verbal

Celeste

 

 

 

Why BFG - I saw you vote Sooh, but I don't remember your reasons?

 

[Talya]

 

 

What I'm not getting is that some people refuse to answer people's posts and only pick and choose what they like answering, and they're calling Celeste out for, well, doing the same thing?

 

 

The irony. I've seen a lot of it this game. How is it this obvious and you guys aren't seeing it? I'm always super easy to lynch when I'm town.

 

I believe I'm a roleblocker of some sort because I did some research on my character. I targeted John Snow N1.

 

Remember how there were only two kills N1? One probably from town vig (who was Dice), and the other from either Loki/Mafia.

 

If I'm roleblocker, then I must have prevented a kill if both Loki and Mafia have NKs. John Snow is either Loki or Mafia.

 

This has what has been eating away at me. No one pointed that out, and it was so obvious to me. I've also been busy with friends, so I've had no time to post. RL is falling apart, and I'm kind of unstable atm, but Celeste hasn't been helping us look any more town, and I don't want to lose the ability I believe I can use for town.

 

@Sili: Earlier, I said that your posts made so much sense. I was being sarcastic. Could you read between the lines? I ISO'd you when you contradicted yourself. Are you that self-confident?

 

Why would you all of a suddenly think you are a RBer? 

 

Lol, I didn't suddenly think this. I hinted that I had a role that doesn't return results when I was thinking about my Loki theory.

 

It appears to me that I have no other choice but to reveal what I think.

 

 

How can you hint about having a role you don't even know you've got, and please show this hint?

 

[Celeste]

I'm on my way back home which is a long drive and I will get to quoting when I have wifi.

[Talya]

 

 

What I'm not getting is that some people refuse to answer people's posts and only pick and choose what they like answering, and they're calling Celeste out for, well, doing the same thing?

 

 

The irony. I've seen a lot of it this game. How is it this obvious and you guys aren't seeing it? I'm always super easy to lynch when I'm town.

 

I believe I'm a roleblocker of some sort because I did some research on my character. I targeted John Snow N1.

 

Remember how there were only two kills N1? One probably from town vig (who was Dice), and the other from either Loki/Mafia.

 

If I'm roleblocker, then I must have prevented a kill if both Loki and Mafia have NKs. John Snow is either Loki or Mafia.

 

This has what has been eating away at me. No one pointed that out, and it was so obvious to me. I've also been busy with friends, so I've had no time to post. RL is falling apart, and I'm kind of unstable atm, but Celeste hasn't been helping us look any more town, and I don't want to lose the ability I believe I can use for town.

 

@Sili: Earlier, I said that your posts made so much sense. I was being sarcastic. Could you read between the lines? I ISO'd you when you contradicted yourself. Are you that self-confident?

WOAH WOAH WOAH

 

What? Where does this come from?

 

First how do you know your a RB? Second how can you guarantee Loki had a kill? Third how do you know your block, if you have any, went through on JS?

 

There's to many whats, to many questions, to many speculations with no barring in this post and I hate it.

 

I'm out right now, but when I get back I'll bring this up more and most likely vote uou. Just can't remember what the vote tags are right now

 

 

Excellent questions.

 

Why assume Loki has a kill?  Why does it eat at you that nobody pointed it out when it was "so obvious to you"?  It's not obvious at all in the theme here, in fact, it was pointed by others earlier that it's probably a better match with the theme for him NOT to.

 

 

I have to agree with Tress here, We have no idea what roles Loki has, and I certainly didn't think it would be sk, I would have thought he was more up for disruption, misdirection and mischief than killing.

[Talya]

 

@lenlo Also if Loki was survivor then why does mafia and town have to get rid of them? Is that a slip that I noticed?

Are you Loki, Lenlo? :shocked:

 

 

How do you get that Len is Loki from that? Where is this slip?

 

[BFG]

Good evening?

[Talya]

 

OMG

 

LENLO = LOKI

 

THIS PUSHING YIELDED SOME RESULTS

 

Even if I haven't done anything else helpful for town, I at least achieved this.

That means that my reads list changes again.

 

Loki= Lenlo

Scum= Sili, Taborline, Mish, Tress

Town= Sooh/BFG, Tina, Eldrick, Leelou, Ocicat, Verbal

 

Probably means that there's a chance I'm vanilla. Meh. Oh well, that means that I don't need to survive. Eh.

 

 

Seems I have disappeared off this list :p

 

So this was all a ruse to try and out Loki or make someone look like Loki, so you wouldn't be lynched. Please show me in posts where Len did his slip and what made you think it was a slip and how from that you got Loki. Because you have not explained that at all.

 

the post I quoted in m y previous post also looks staged between the two of you, so I'm finding it hard to believe this was a genuine

 

[BFG]

FFS DM JUST MESSED UP ALL MY QUOTES AND I GOTTA GO BACK AND GET THEM.

 

<snip>

This is why I stopped mutiquoting

[BFG]

ugh typing

[BFG]

 

Where else do you want to look?

 

 

Meh, I don't like it as much as Iron Man 1

 

At the moment I had them/you and Verb at the bottom of my list.

 

You've been asking a lot of questions, what about a WTL from you?

 

I don't have a WTL yet, I don't want to lynch Tress, Mish, Lenlo, Snow

 

Then why state that you're uneasy that we're in 'everyone's wtl piles?

[Talya]

 

 

 

OMG

 

LENLO = LOKI

 

THIS PUSHING YIELDED SOME RESULTS

 

Even if I haven't done anything else helpful for town, I at least achieved this.

That means that my reads list changes again.

 

Loki= Lenlo

Scum= Sili, Taborline, Mish, Tress

Town= Sooh/BFG, Tina, Eldrick, Leelou, Ocicat, Verbal

 

Probably means that there's a chance I'm vanilla. Meh. Oh well, that means that I don't need to survive. Eh.

 

IF YOUR VANILLA YOUR ARGUMENT GOES OUT THE GOD **** WINDOW. THE LAST 4 PAGES THEN MEAN NOTHING OH MY GOD

 

Let me explain.

 

I was uncertain of everything. I also wanted to save my own behind if I actually had a role that was useful.

 

I wanted to see if I could fish out Loki/scum.

 

You are so adamant about the obvious SK wincon being a survivor wincon. Why? Probably because you're Loki. Why would you know otherwise?

 

If I'm vanilla, that means I didn't do anything. That means that you're right, and that Loki has to survive to win, with only the redirecting ability and that Loki has no NK. That means that you are the only one who understands the true meaning of being Loki = being a survivor.

 

 

We know what the wincon is of Loki, so how is this outting him? Not everyone thought Loki would be a sk, I know I didn't

[Talya]

 

 

 

Wish-tree I asked you about your list earlier, specifically why you only mentioned a -ve for Talya/Sooh (using Cory's reads) yet had us both as town and also why you said Talya was using Cory's reads when she's been adamant against them. Tabor, Tress and some others? also had questions for similar reasons, did I miss your response?

 

A ve? What's that?

 

I have both of you as town because of the way you responded to certain posts. I thought Sooh was a little iffy, but since you have started playing, I have liked your posts. Talya has improved imo because she's not just piggybacking some of Cory's reads.

 

Tabor came in when she'd been lurking and immediately said we were scummy. Then she proceeded again today to come in and vote us, after lurking.

 

@Leelou: Verbal has been lurking, and there's no real reason to clear him as town besides process of elimination. You should lynch him too. :3

 

I probably should quote some things, but atm, I'm laughing too hard. I'll get to it.

 

Sorry, I was in a bad mood but now I'm significantly amused again.

 

 

You are the one that has him in your town list. How is does he end up there via poe? 

 

Who knows? Lynch him. :3 Lynch me too.

 

 

Seriously? You put him in town and they you who knows why you put him there? If you are really town, why don't you help instead, you are being very flippant.

 

[Talya]

 

 

Where else do you want to look?

 

 

Meh, I don't like it as much as Iron Man 1

 

At the moment I had them/you and Verb at the bottom of my list.

 

You've been asking a lot of questions, what about a WTL from you?

 

I don't have a WTL yet, I don't want to lynch Tress, Mish, Lenlo, Snow

 

Then why state that you're uneasy that we're in 'everyone's wtl piles?

 

 

I said last night why. Do you not think it odd that the same people are in everyones WTL...there are 4 wolves out there which means they are happy to get rid of two (maybe three if you include Verb) of their team, if we are all right. That makes me a little uneasy, and that maybe they aren't all wolf. But I haven't liked much what all three have done.

[Talya]

Why do you not want to lynch those 4?

 

oh and good evening :)

[Talya]

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

 

I do wonder if the two of you actually talk in your QT.

 

Why do you think I'm scum, and Verb? Why Tab town?

[Talya]

 

 

I disagree with wish on some of her town reads and scum reads. I think Tayla is scum still along with Verb. I also think taborline is town. Also I'm not that new to mafia as I seem.

I don't have much of an opinion on how new you are or not, besides which we've had a succession of excellent noob's so don't really give leeway for that anyway (any more).Why do you think Talya and Verb are mafia?

Interactions with people seem sparse or odd in tone. The mindset doesn't seem to very town like. I figure out my reads through the tone or interactions I have with people. I don't find speculation to be a scum thing like some people think. I also think some of the reasons for voting me are weak. Also I don't get the "they seem to know too much" reason that I saw some where.

 

 

Please point out which posts are odd in tone, and how the mindset is not town? There has been a lot happening and that doesn't brush now.

 

[Talya]

 

***SNIP****

 

#391 I'm liking Talia's use of her vote, and the fact that it doesn't seem to be carefully considered, but I've been burnt too many times here :/

 

****SNIP****

 

you wound me ;) You're okay you won't get burnt here. Only lynched if you are wolf or Loki

 

[BFG]

 

 

 

Where else do you want to look?

 

 

Meh, I don't like it as much as Iron Man 1

 

At the moment I had them/you and Verb at the bottom of my list.

 

You've been asking a lot of questions, what about a WTL from you?

 

I don't have a WTL yet, I don't want to lynch Tress, Mish, Lenlo, Snow

 

Then why state that you're uneasy that we're in 'everyone's wtl piles?

 

 

I said last night why. Do you not think it odd that the same people are in everyones WTL...there are 4 wolves out there which means they are happy to get rid of two (maybe three if you include Verb) of their team, if we are all right. That makes me a little uneasy, and that maybe they aren't all wolf. But I haven't liked much what all three have done.

 

I don't know what everyone's POE is.

 

I know *why you said it, but it reads like hedging. 'We're bottom of your list, but we're bottom of everyone's lists so maybe we're town' sort of thing. I dunno, I can easily see myself arguing that exact same thing, so I can't say it's exactly scummy to me, but I have no idea how to read you. I guess I'm going to be hyper-critical for a while :(

 

In general I'm not a fan that Wishlestes train has no real counter, but their posting from last night is leaving me feeling uneasy and I certainly don't have anywhere better to look just yet.