Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Eldrick4221]

My WTL

Verb and Sooh: Effectively the same reason. Their content is lacking. Can't remember anything important or solving either of them has said.

 

Ocicat: There have been a bunch of small things that stuck out to me. The way he said stuff. The lack of using his own information, relying on others. I will ISO him tonight and build a case.

 

JS is a big question mark to me. I wouldn't go so far as to add him to my WTL right now, but I'm not getting a strong town vibe from him either.

 

Sili and Mish are strong town to me. I won't be lynching either of them.

 

Tress is moving up there too. I have really liked her recent contributions.

 

Wishleste is another question mark to me. Hydras usually are. I haven't seen anything from them that I especially liked, but not so bad that they're on my list today. Null edging on the scum side.

 

As I mentioned before, I didn't like that I couldn't clear Tina quickly. But I'm not convinced she's scum either. I haven't really played enough with her to have a proper gauge. She's stuck in null for me right now.

 

I've had issues reading Lenlo. Some things I liked. Some things I didn't. Due to the bouncing back and forth like this, I can't decide how I feel and he's also null.

 

I haven't had any issues with Talya. Slight town lean.

 

This is all from the top of my head. If I missed someone, I will add themore later.

[Eldrick4221]

My WTL

Verb and Sooh: Effectively the same reason. Their content is lacking. Can't remember anything important or solving either of them has said.

 

Ocicat: There have been a bunch of small things that stuck out to me. The way he said stuff. The lack of using his own information, relying on others. I will ISO him tonight and build a case.

 

JS is a big question mark to me. I wouldn't go so far as to add him to my WTL right now, but I'm not getting a strong town vibe from him either.

 

Sili and Mish are strong town to me. I won't be lynching either of them.

 

Tress is moving up there too. I have really liked her recent contributions.

 

Wishleste is another question mark to me. Hydras usually are. I haven't seen anything from them that I especially liked, but not so bad that they're on my list today. Null edging on the scum side.

 

As I mentioned before, I didn't like that I couldn't clear Tina quickly. But I'm not convinced she's scum either. I haven't really played enough with her to have a proper gauge. She's stuck in null for me right now.

 

I've had issues reading Lenlo. Some things I liked. Some things I didn't. Due to the bouncing back and forth like this, I can't decide how I feel and he's also null.

 

I haven't had any issues with Talya. Slight town lean.

 

This is all from the top of my head. If I missed someone, I will add themore later.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Tress, about your grid.

 

The point is moot now, but I was townreading Cory. I actually mentioned at one point he was a strong town read.

 

And according to your guidelines, Lenlo's read on me would be Red. He thinks I'm scum and has voted me.

 

Still working on collecting my own data, so I'm going to trust the rest is correct for now. Thank you for the work. It's very useful.

Also, for the majority of the game, I didn't have an issue with Pral. I was trying to figure out why other people did. I voted him for wanting to lynch himself.

The grid was for my own reference when trying to decide who to target, and I only posted it because Mish wanted to see it... I hope to goodness nobody is planning to use it in casing someone else, without going back to verify the actual quotes.

 

Your input is noted, however.

I don't expect people to use your info for their own casing. That wasn't my point. I noticed your facts were wrong. As I said, I'm collecting the same information for my own review. I just wanted your info to be accurate.

 

 

Does it bother you so badly that a chart I threw together to help myself figure out who I wanted to target with my hypothetical night action does not perfectly represent your stated views of two dead townies?  Or that Lenlo actually voted you?  If it comes to casing, correct any misrepresentations you may find, by all means, but the accuracy of my chart really shouldn't be that big of a deal.

 

Your reason for collaboration could (and should) be to figure out who you want to vote, not only use your hypothetical NA. That is moot.

 

The fact that the people I pointed out are dead now didn't even occur to me until you mentioned it.

 

That Lenlo voted me, I have no issue with. That he was refusing to tell me why he was pushing for my lynch, I did. Also, the reason for why just reads to me as not knowing how I play. I'm pretty sure this is the first game we've been in together. I don't even recognize his name, and he would fall into the group of unknowns like Wish, Celeste, and Oci, if other people didn't mention knowing him.

[Eldrick4221]

Sorry for the double post. Cloudfare strikes again!

[Talya]

 

 

I wanna hear from other people before I take action.

 

But FoS Lenlo

 

Why should he know if he got nothing back from Kiv. I didn't know either, but then I refused to submit a name.

 

This kind of struck me as strange.

 

Why refuse to submit a name?

 

I mean, as i mentioned earlier, I absolutely despise being vigilante, and thought based on my character there might be a decent chance I was, but I knew I'd never have a clue whether I even had a role - much less what role - if I didn't try to submit and see what result I got.

 

 

Simple - I looked up my character and thought that they could cause a few accidents or something (difficult to expand as I'm not allowed to char reveal), so thought to be on the safe side not to put a name in. I said I wouldn't before the end of night :p

 

 

I would have thought there would be few going for me today..

 

Why?  *curious*

 

 

I was a train at one point during D1 and a few people were looking hard at me and then I hammered and a few were going to be looking at the train and someone may have mentioned me among others. Came back in and no one has mentioned me really so I'm surprised.

 

 

I didn't like that Tress brought up about Cory's read, when hers was at the top. Cory is a damn fine player, but I would go with all his reads, but try and work things out for myself. Plus it was day one, and the chances of getting things right are lower than later in the game.

I was one of his top town reads, but Sili was actually at the top - the 4th one down, actually.  I get that you feel it was self-serving to post that considering that Cory was strongly convinced I was town, but I feel like your biggest problem with it is that you weren't in his greens.

 

 

haha, that makes me laugh, I don't care where I am on his list. The reason it caught my attention was because Yates did something similar in a game to try and get town cred when he was mafia. (It was with the cop who had just died), similar situation, and that is why I mentioned it.

 

Sili - I may go for Sooh, but wanting to finish my reread before I decide.

[Eldrick4221]

Right. Leelou and Taborline. I knew I missed some people.

 

And that's because I can't remember anything either of them has said...

 

I take that back. I remember Leelou commenting on not having time to contribute right now...

 

I'm gonna chunk her into the group with Verb and Sooh. None of them are playing to the level I would expect from them.

 

Taborline falls into the "I don't know well enough" category, so not willing to lynch for that reason.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

I wanna hear from other people before I take action.

 

But FoS Lenlo

 

Why should he know if he got nothing back from Kiv. I didn't know either, but then I refused to submit a name.

 

This kind of struck me as strange.

 

Why refuse to submit a name?

 

I mean, as i mentioned earlier, I absolutely despise being vigilante, and thought based on my character there might be a decent chance I was, but I knew I'd never have a clue whether I even had a role - much less what role - if I didn't try to submit and see what result I got.

 

 

Simple - I looked up my character and thought that they could cause a few accidents or something (difficult to expand as I'm not allowed to char reveal), so thought to be on the safe side not to put a name in. I said I wouldn't before the end of night :p

 

I forgot about this when doing my list. This struck me as odd too. We are all trying to figure out who we are, and until Loki is dead, that is done by experimentation.

 

If you think your NA could be harmful, why didn't you target one of your scum reads?

[Talya]

Not necessarily harmful, but if I had a role, it may not have come out right or maybe disruptive, that's about the best I can do it. It was my choice, and I decided not to put a name in. Also D1 Scum reads aren't that secure and I never like D1 so would not be happy firing it off at anyone and getting it badly wrong.

[Eldrick4221]

Ok, I see a decent case, and I'm getting bored. Vote: Talya​, ​​although anyone on Sili's list is fair game​.

 

Multiple points here. The fact that he got on a train because he was "getting bored', and that he justifies who is a good lynch by someone else's list.

 

I agree with Sili's reasoning that she was halfhearted and contradictory in behavior. Additionally, she already has votes. If you're willing to vote and push your case against Verbal for poor content. And btw, going after those who have been absent and have said/done little is not the better course, as they can come in and do enough to look better, while Talya has been fairly active and yet has Sili's points against her. Going after people for bad content trumps going after those with little.

If you're willing to vote and push your case against Verbal for poor content. I might join, I meant.

 

His correction in the second one here makes the first one contradictory. He points out why voting someone with low content isn't the better choice, but is willing to push a case for that reason.

 

 

 

I'm currently waiting for class to start, but I have a bit of time to note nobody else seems to have noticed I slipped yesterday and forgot what day it was, saying the phase would end today. Hm? :p

 

Why do you consider this a slip, and what should be significant about it that anyone would take note of it?   

 

A. Because, from an outside perspective, it can be seen as the slip of nervous scum hoping the phase ends before they come under fire again.

​B. Regardless, nobody was willing to correct me on forgetting what day it was? :P

Especially D1. Give me a chance to play the game before you decide you don't want me. :)

 

 

Why is he looking at how what he says could be perceived as scummy? That just feels like a guilty conscience to me. 

 

 

. From people's reactions, I understand it's the general rule here that a vigkill goes through even if they die? 

 

​

 

Can someone confirm this for me?

 

 

​

 

 

This was his last post, over 3 and a half days ago. where did he go? (If your disappearance is because of RL problems, I apologize)

[Eldrick4221]

Not necessarily harmful, but if I had a role, it may not have come out right or maybe disruptive, that's about the best I can do it. It was my choice, and I decided not to put a name in. Also D1 Scum reads aren't that secure and I never like D1 so would not be happy firing it off at anyone and getting it badly wrong.

Do you intend to tonight?

[Eldrick4221]

I'm having trouble thinking of a town role that's disruptive. I'm curious as to what you think your role could be, but I'm not asking. Tress is right, we should privately figure out who we are. I said who I was because Mish got a similar revelation, and then I had to explain to Lenlo why I felt the way I did about it.

[Eldrick4221]

also, I don't see how a disruptive role could be seen as anything but harmful.

[Eldrick4221]

Looking up "disruptive town roles" to try and get a feel for what you're worried about.

 

So remembering this exists:

 

 

• Vote Thief - You can steal another player's vote for the next day. That player will have one fewer vote than normal, and you will have one more.

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

Why do I want to call Tress Trish? Stop that, brain.

[Eldrick4221]

Oh, and I'm busy with college, so this is when I'll be around during the week, in case anyone's wondering.

Ignore my last reason in the case. I randomly found this post.

[Talya]

 

Not necessarily harmful, but if I had a role, it may not have come out right or maybe disruptive, that's about the best I can do it. It was my choice, and I decided not to put a name in. Also D1 Scum reads aren't that secure and I never like D1 so would not be happy firing it off at anyone and getting it badly wrong.

Do you intend to tonight?

 

 

I haven't decided yet.

 

I have no idea what role it could be if I have one. All I will say is the character can do things accidentally, but is on the good side. So thinking I could disrupt others roles so i thought best to leave it for now. If I am Vanilla, then it doesn't matter. I didn't feel like blindly going into something not knowing what I could do :p

 

As for Ocicat saying no one told him of his slip, I'm sure I remember Cory telling him at the time. So someone did tell him

[Eldrick4221]

I didn't say no one told him of his slip. I said he thought the slip was scummy. I personally didn't. I am pointing out the way he brought it up.

[Eldrick4221]

Oci is my top pick for lynch, but I'm also happy with any of Verb/Sooh/Leelou at this point.

[michellem]

 

everyone, top three WTL candidates D2 + reasons. Refusal to do so will mark you as anti town. Ok tnx.

 

Ive never liked these sort of blanket DO WHAT I SAY OR I WILL LYNCH YOU RAAAAAWR posts.

 

 

I don't care; I need my townies talking. We don't know if we might risk another two deaths this night; the two deaths last night might be mafia shot and Dice's vig action, or it might be mafia shot and Loki's kill if he's a SK, we don't know, so at the moment I'm treating it as highly likely that there can be another two shots this night. We're down three townies already, and we gotta start working together.

 

Mishs list is mine lmao

 

Are you insinuating that I've just copied my reasons from you?

[michellem]

Thought some more before falling asleep last night. I'm increasingly worried about Tab. She rarely has interacted with anyone in real time in the game; she posts big ISO's and that's more or less is. I played with her in the HP game and she was much more involved then, she didn't really on only making cases, she posted and argued in real time. Remember who's tutoring her.

 

Also feeling uneasy about Talya. I'd have to ISO to see if I can put my finger on it, and I can say that aint gonna happen. I'm too tired to have the mental capacity. Again I feel like she's just floating by. She didn't fight it when both Pral and Wisheste tried to make a connection between her and me, and I don't like that.

 

And Eld reminded me I still don't like Oci.

 

 

So I'm willing to say at the moment I think our mafia team is Sooh/Verb, Talya, Tab and Oci, and Wisheste as Loki.

[michellem]

Seriously it bothers me that I can't remember the word I needed to describe Verb. Cory, you know this, you're the one I learnt it from I think. When you have a certain reputation and is seen as a really good player, then you have *something*. GAH. It' not weight, but it's something close/related.

 

Kiv, if Cory knows what I mean, will you allow him to post just that one word in the thread so I don't go crazy trying to remember >.<

[Talya]

Going through the verb/Leelou interaction at beginning of day 1.

 

I will spoiler this

 

 

 

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Cory[/v]

Here she votes Cory after his idea about Mafia maybe being able to talk prior to game starting.

 

  

 

 

 

Why Cory Leelou?

 

 

I can't focus on anything. Also not really seeing that the mafia team would get the advantage of being able to talk for 4 days before the game starts.

Here replies to me asking why. Doesn't really reply to the question.

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why Cory Leelou?

 

 

I can't focus on anything. Also not really seeing that the mafia team would get the advantage of being able to talk for 4 days before the game starts.

 

Are you thinking TMI slip?

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why Cory Leelou?

 

 

I can't focus on anything. Also not really seeing that the mafia team would get the advantage of being able to talk for 4 days before the game starts.

 

Are you thinking TMI slip?

 

Yes. 

 

Has Key been on yet?

 

 

These two above show an interaction between Leelou and Verb, if this was her reason why not say it

 

 

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.

Thanks for that.

@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 

 

If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

 

 

Now she gives another reason, she also wonders why it is bugging me. She doesn't seem to like me asking her about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.

Thanks for that.

@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 

 

If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 

Why is this bugging you so much?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.

Thanks for that.

@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 

 

If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 

??

 

If he's town, then he wouldn't want to bring it up so that it would be more effective to catch scum.

 

If he's scum, he would and should bring it up to gain town cred for the 'thought process'.

The above I could see what he was saying, but looking back, I think there are a lot more reasons why he would do it, doesn't make him town or wolf. It certainly got some conversation going, use it to gage people's reaction to it.

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I missed playing in a game with you, Cory.

 

 

I'm less than enthused.

 

Your words hurt.

 

The reason I was concerned about Mafia preparation is because me and Key were given our Hydra QT link when we received our Role PM four days ago and had zero limitations on what we could talk about. I wanted to wait on Kivam to give me permission to say this because it's a grey area. So yes, I am sitting here at work, making sure my boss isn't walking about, having a dumb argument about how I could possibly know anything about off the thread communication and Leelou outright suggesting I am dumb enough to "slip" and reveal I am Mafia who decided to reveal that my team had pre-game chat.

 

So, yes, it got under my skin. I'll get over it, and keep working on my reads and do the best that I can this game in whatever situation I am thrown in. We know I have problems with lack of patience and that I can get momentarily rustled (especially if someone is trying), but again I will get over it and move on.

 

Just annoyed to the point where it's bleeding into RL, but that's definitely my problem so I'll shut up about it.

 

Verb - thoughts?

 

Is this a Town!Cory response?

Here Leelou asks for Verbs opinion on Cory

 

  

 

 

 

Looks to me like a frustrated Cory response. Could be town, since town doesnt have as much a reason to do image control. Im not the best at reading Cory though.................

 

 

Hence why I asked Verb. :p

 

 

Here responding to Len she said that's what she thought bugbanes to confirm with Verb.

 

 

 

 

 

Ugh I just feel dirty. I don't like having to do the Sisyphus act and I really, really, really would like to do well because I always feel people are at least somewhat relying on me to give it my all and give at least ~moderate strength reads and that's probably just a weird stupid #INFP perception.

 

I just don't know how to process when people give me a hard time for dumb reasons because then I have to think about why they are doing it and what it means and it just adds a whole new level of cluster to an already complicated and difficult game.

 

It's Friday, I should be in a better mood.

 

 

Hey, I just want to town clear you early. 

 

What are your thoughts on Talya?

 

[unvote]

Now she unvote said and has him as town

 

 

 

 

TL:DR

 

Reading this back and knowing Cory's alignment I don't feel so comfortable with this interaction. I need to ISO Leelou, before I decide on her, but Verb looks like he was trying to push a wolf Cory, but not get his hands dirty. He puts words into Leelou's mouth about the TMI. She agrees with that and then gives another reason for her vote. When Cory gets antsy she backs down and looks to Verb for advice.

 

Later she said she was just trying to work Cory out, and also trying to gage Verbs alignment from his response. This is where I need to ISO, because I can't remember if she ever gave her opinion on Verb, in fact not sure if he did for her.

 

Thoughts are here w/w or w/v. If I went for one I think the most likely wolf atm is Verb. He had 5 days to catch up and didn't but need to ISO him as well.

 

Since this neither has done anything to town/wolf solve.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

 

Ocicat (1) - Tina

Tina (1) - Leelou

Leelou (1) - John Snow

WishLeste (2) - Mish, sili

Verbal (2) - WishLESTE, Eldrick

 

 

8 to Lynch

 

SOOH HAS ASKED TO BE REPLACED. I AM HUNTING FOR A REPLACEMENT

[Kivam]

Nope

 

Seriously it bothers me that I can't remember the word I needed to describe Verb. Cory, you know this, you're the one I learnt it from I think. When you have a certain reputation and is seen as a really good player, then you have *something*. GAH. It' not weight, but it's something close/related.

 

Kiv, if Cory knows what I mean, will you allow him to post just that one word in the thread so I don't go crazy trying to remember >.<

[Sooh]

Guys, I have asked Kivam for a replacement, but I will play until one is in place. That may mean if he can't find anyone I'll play until I'm dead. I have been having some heavy thoughts lately, and have been having problems getting things done. Too much going on inside my head for me to be able to focus on the game. 

 

I understand the suspicions of me, and I will try my darndest to show you that I'm town. 

Doing a reread..and as I go will also ISO a few people that come to my attention.

 

I will put it all in an spoiler so read or not

 

 

 

 

Votes me and then has her convo with Sili (already talked about) - Null

2 times she says she is fiesty - I mention this, because I haven't seen much fiest here

When JS votes her Asks him if there is anything he wants to discuss - mention this below why not ask straight out

Says she isn't reading stuff on early D1 interations

Asks me about the "staged" thing

Would like to hear from Lenlo why he ISO'd me - After me and Mish had asked him

Asks Cory why he is town reading her - responds to his answer that she is trying to work where the read comes from and that she is trying to find wolves

Asks Tab how Leelou's maker her look questionable

Tries to see how Cory's head works, but not trying to badger him.

Not sure she can read Leelou very well.

Thinks Cory maybe Defensive or frustrated. says to Eld that Cory may be trying to gauge her back - Not feeling that she thinks town nor mafia here

 

This is her response to Cory

 

If you are a villager and want to make my job harder, IDC, that is how you used your time this game and I have to deal with that and work around you and try to figure it out anyway

 

If you think I'm a wolf I expect more fire from you than "Cory's reading my villager and I don't know why!" and I think that's a pretty idiotic line to take as a wolf but I've seen you do it before (and fool me, but fail at fooling anyone else in the process and losing to my team without a great deal of difficulty from our end) but that's just my opinion, man

You know probably more than anyone how hesitant I am as a villager to accuse anyone of being a wolf D1. I am never confident in my reads this early on. I nudged you to get a better read of your slot, and I got several things to think about. And yes, you're right. If I do think you are a wolf later on I will have to make a much stronger case against you. Both because this isn't a case, and because you're a much better wolf than to let yourself be caught by one little nudge like this. 

 

 

I put this here because I ISO'd out last game where she was villager, and in the first day she was making reads of people and asking questions a lot more than she has been here. In fact apart from the few direct questions, usually about her, she hasn't asked much. Even to JS when he voted her asked if there was anything he wanted to discuss. Why not ask straight out, "Why are you voting me" The town things to Cory doesn't really look like she is trying to find wolves or game solve.

 

Then we have a reads list. At this point she had said that she was trying to work Cory out and from the posts I got the impression she was fence sitting, but here she has Cory in her Town list. This list really lacks evidence or any kind of thought process. After reading her last game, she defnded people she thought town early on and why they were town. There has been none of that here. The bolded it odd. She can't read, me Leelou and Tina and yet she says she is going through the rest not on her list to see if she can find some suspects. The wording feels like she is not looking for wolves, but for people she could call wolves.

 

 

Let's see. So far I feel pretty good about:

Dice

Keyboose

John Snow

Sili

Lenlo

 

I always struggle to read:

Tina

Leelou

Talya

 

The rest are varying shades of gray for me at this point. I need to go through that pile and see if I can find some suspects.

 

Points out that Eld is different this game -

Responds to me about my post on her and Sili

Does an Eld ISO and asks him what makes him think Ocicat is Loki and curious what Lenlo thinks of her Eld ISO? - A part from the quetion to Ocicat, I didn't get anything from this, I'm not sure she does, null in it's self, that can happen

 

I might, closer to DL. 

 

Pral isn't a high volume poster, but usually at least he posts SOMETHING. 

 

^^ First moment she mentions Pral

 

Wow... that was a long read. I've been reading a page here and there at work today, but still I had to read the final 5 pages just now.

 

After Pral's re-entry to the thread I feel as though the votes on him are probably warranted. I was not a fan of the reads list at all. 

 

[v]Pralaya[/v]

 

^^ Votes Pral

 

Apparently I'm good at posting many posts, but not very memorable this game  Ah well. It could be worse I suppose. 

 

I am feeling very comfortable with Cory/Key this game, and if I'm mistaken, well then that's well played them. 

 

I feel Pral's list was very generic. He had some consensus reads, some simple reads and a couple of reads to which I was left confused. I'm happy with leaving my vote there for now. It is moveable of course, and seeing as EOD is at 6pm my time I should have plenty of time to stop by the thread tomorrow in between work (in the classroom when the kids are working and such ) and also after work. I will be around at EOD. 

 

I probably won't have much time for neither analysis nor real time interaction before then though. I will have more time towards the weekend for both. 

 

Adds more to her reasoning of what she thinks of Pral. I will need to read this in situ, because I have a feeling this is after others have already said it.

 

She does say she is open to a Verb lynch, but doesn't vote there.

Aslks Cory to look at Pral's blue for Tress. cory gives his reasons for why he didn't like Pral's list and she responds that this matches what she is thinking - If that is the case why didn't she say

Agrees she likes to pocket Cory, but as mafia she doesn't think that she would have been quite so ready to challenge Cory about his read. - I don't think she actually challenged him, not seriously, the fact she says she wouldn't do this as mafia doesn't sit well

 

 

 

Apparently I'm good at posting many posts, but not very memorable this game  Ah well. It could be worse I suppose. 
 
I am feeling very comfortable with Cory/Key this game, and if I'm mistaken, well then that's well played them. 
 
I feel Pral's list was very generic. He had some consensus reads, some simple reads and a couple of reads to which I was left confused. I'm happy with leaving my vote there for now. It is moveable of course, and seeing as EOD is at 6pm my time I should have plenty of time to stop by the thread tomorrow in between work (in the classroom when the kids are working and such ) and also after work. I will be around at EOD. 
 
I probably won't have much time for neither analysis nor real time interaction before then though. I will have more time towards the weekend for both.

Out of all the votes on me, this is the one which sounds off. The reasoning is a bit forced, as if just intended to put heat.

Consensus reads? Really? Maybe you should pay more attention to it.
Simple reads? Yes, for those who I don't know meta or not much content.
Confused reads? WHy don't you ask about it?

Low effort and not genuine.

 

I have paid attention.

You have a number of safe reads with people who have been town read by the majority of the game. These are your consensus reads.

 

Simple reads, why even add them? I've been sussed for less in the past.

 

Confused reads, I suppose that's a bad way of explaining it. They were the reads that made me confused when I read them.

 

You're right. This was low effort. It was an attempt to explain why I wasn't a fan of that post and why I wanted to vote Pral. Not genuine however, that is wrong. If I have time before EOD I'll go back and post more around this, but currently I'm supposed to learn to use like 5 new computer programs at once, so I can't really focus on the game.

 

 

^^ She admits it was low effort to him. I find it odd that she critises his reads list, when hers is extremely lacking with not reason

 

Hi guys. I kinda disappeared. Sorry about that. 

 

Mish, I think the people who were calling me feisty were in fact surprised by it, as I'm usually not in games. 

 

I do play differently here. Exactly why I can't tell you, except I tend to have good games and bad games. It depends a lot on how much energy I have to put into it I guess. 

 

Anyway. I think so far I feel pretty good about Sili, Lenlo, Tress, Mish, Eldrick, Taboo and JS.

 

I need to reread and ISO Tina, Talya and Leelou, as they are impossible to read for me usually. 

 

I'm even less sure about WishLeste and Ocicat. However, they might be this low in my list because I don't know them very well. 

 

And Verb is definitely bottom of my list. 

 

Come Monday Verb really needs to get some work done if he's Town. Because just saying "I'm town because" isn't cutting it for me. 

 

 

Going to try to get some ISOs done today, but I need to finish a report first. 

 

Her reads list from earlier. There are 5 days difference in the two lists and yet in her posts I can see no thought progression on why she has those reads. Sili, Lenlo and JS have not moved but no reasons why they are town.

Still me, Tina and Leelou are in Limbo - fair enough

Not thought on why Wisleste or Ocicat. She has Verb as read and yet hasn't voted and says he has work to do Monday.

 

 

 

 

TL:DR

 

There is no thought progression from Sooh on most of her reads. She has done a little questioning, but they haven't been deep questions and not much probing into anything. Has really only questioned people when it has concerned her, or asked other people (Len) what they think of her ISO.

 

I had felt her responses to me quite towny at the beginning. I thought her vote on Pral was opportunistic, no thought behind it and later added the bit about his reads list, after others did.

 

Sooh has now moved down my list. But I have a few questions for her.

 

@ Sooh

 

What is it that makes you suspicious of Wish/Celeste and Ocicat?

Why is Verb at the bottom of your list?

What makes you think Sili, JS, Mish, Tress, Tab and Lenlo town?

What do you think of Eld? (he's missing from your list I think)

Why did you ask Cory to look at Pral having Tress as blue? Why did you think this was suspicious?

 

Back to my reread

Ocicat has had some strange responses all the way through the game. I think his reactions sometimes come across as staged and almost theatrically edited. WishLeste is honestly in my orange because they have so many people suspecting them already and I needed to go back  and read them. Quite simply they are there because they were scum read by almost the entire town. 

 

Verb is at the bottom of my list because I don't recognize TownVerb who I find will spend more time solving and less time defending himself. 

 

Sili, Lenlo and JS became town reads for me early on. Mish, Taboo, Tress and Eldrick (who is in my town pile) have been doing a lot of work and thereby earned a place in my town. I have also taken advantage of Cory's reads, as I know they are good.

 

In terms of Pral's Tress read when you look at the two lists Cory posted, one from a known town game of Pral's and one from this game the blues in his list in the other game were much more elaborately explained. I felt like his town read of Tress was simple and not explained well enough to warrant a blue shade compared to some of his greens.