Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

I'm liking this Lenlo. Solid townie read for me.

 

Let me interact with this mister. Last game he died pretty early.

 

Coming up, quoting some of your posts. Look forward to it.

Last game made me feel really bad, cause I know I played like crap and in general let people down. Especially after being gone for so long. Its why I decided to quit being a DM jester from then on. 

 

*really happy*

It's alive!

 

Hi. :)

 

Sup. My omelette tasted good. Id post pics but I ate it before I thought to take a picture.

 

...I'm glad you didn't take pics, because my jealousy levels would spike. I didn't end up getting hot food because my blisters were impeding fast movement to the diner.

[Lenlo]

I added diced tomatoes to it and some ham. My cooking is one of the few skills im happy with.

[wish-tree]

I added diced tomatoes to it and some ham. My cooking is one of the few skills im happy with.

[Lenlo]

Also feel free to shorten it to Len. Everyone else does. 

[wish-tree]

Lenlo, what do you think of Ocicat and Talya, the leading wagons?

[wish-tree]

Also feel free to shorten it to Len. Everyone else does. 

There are reasons why I don't shorten it. It's all Cory's fault -> that's the hint you get.

[Lenlo]

Lenlo, what do you think of Ocicat and Talya, the leading wagons?

Talya I would rather not lynch. I dont think shes that bad. Has she been an amazing super towny? Not but not all of us can be Darthe. :P

 

Ocicat I can see why people are voting him, some of which I disagree with others I am fine with. If he got lynched I wouldnt shed a tear, I just think there are better ones today.

[wish-tree]

 

Lenlo, what do you think of Ocicat and Talya, the leading wagons?

Talya I would rather not lynch. I dont think shes that bad. Has she been an amazing super towny? Not but not all of us can be Darthe. :P

 

Ocicat I can see why people are voting him, some of which I disagree with others I am fine with. If he got lynched I wouldnt shed a tear, I just think there are better ones today.

 

Underlined bits:

1. I don't understand the significance of that.

2. Harsh. But I getchu. I might leave some flowers, though. :'D I'll go look over his posts and interactions with Celeste to see if I can find what Talya was talking about.

3. Who?

[Lenlo]

Darthe is a funny guy. Youll play with him sometime. Cory can fill you in.

 

Eldrick obv. Then either Tina or Pral, pref Tina from that group.

 

I say those two cause atm I think getting rid of the inactives couldnt hurt, but at the same time I would like to get some kind of information from the day. So I am preferring Tina over Pral

[Sili Quirrels]

I can make sense of Talya being town now, so that's good, I guess... from a certain perspective.

 

[v]Verbal[/v]

 

Horrible horrible horrible outrageously bad posts, I saw. My current best guess for scum.

 

Loki candidates:

Eldrick, Talya, Ocicat.

[Lenlo]

Can you give me abit of a case for Verbs Sili? I havnt paid as much attention to him as I should have been.

[wish-tree]

Darthe is a funny guy. Youll play with him sometime. Cory can fill you in.

 

Eldrick obv. Then either Tina or Pral, pref Tina from that group.

 

I say those two cause atm I think getting rid of the inactives couldnt hurt, but at the same time I would like to get some kind of information from the day. So I am preferring Tina over Pral

I was in the last game with him... lol. He died.

 

I'm not sure if I agree with you in getting rid of the inactives. (i.e.: me, Taborline, Pral, and others (?)). First of all, they haven't been able to prove their merit if you kill them off. Like now that I have time, I am posting. Secondly, it's like a rand kill, since you don't have enough content to determine alignment. I don't like it.

 

Not sure why Tina? Could you explain?

[wish-tree]

I can make sense of Talya being town now, so that's good, I guess... from a certain perspective.

 

[v]Verbal[/v]

 

Horrible horrible horrible outrageously bad posts, I saw. My current best guess for scum.

 

Loki candidates:

Eldrick, Talya, Ocicat.

Wait, what? Explain these bolded parts...?

 

Do you think that Talya is town, or do you think she is Loki?

[Lenlo]

 

Darthe is a funny guy. Youll play with him sometime. Cory can fill you in.

 

Eldrick obv. Then either Tina or Pral, pref Tina from that group.

 

I say those two cause atm I think getting rid of the inactives couldnt hurt, but at the same time I would like to get some kind of information from the day. So I am preferring Tina over Pral

I was in the last game with him... lol. He died.

 

I'm not sure if I agree with you in getting rid of the inactives. (i.e.: me, Taborline, Pral, and others (?)). First of all, they haven't been able to prove their merit if you kill them off. Like now that I have time, I am posting. Secondly, it's like a rand kill, since you don't have enough content to determine alignment. I don't like it.

 

Not sure why Tina? Could you explain?

 

Thing is I understand Corys argument. Seems like a good amount of V on V arguing has happened, and the scum just need to sit back and do nothing. At the very least it should motivate the other ones to post.

 

Tina has abit more activity than Pral, so there might be atleast something to gain. Its by no means a solid or even good plan, which is why im still on Eldrick. My current #1 for today.

[wish-tree]

 

 

Darthe is a funny guy. Youll play with him sometime. Cory can fill you in.

 

Eldrick obv. Then either Tina or Pral, pref Tina from that group.

 

I say those two cause atm I think getting rid of the inactives couldnt hurt, but at the same time I would like to get some kind of information from the day. So I am preferring Tina over Pral

I was in the last game with him... lol. He died.

 

I'm not sure if I agree with you in getting rid of the inactives. (i.e.: me, Taborline, Pral, and others (?)). First of all, they haven't been able to prove their merit if you kill them off. Like now that I have time, I am posting. Secondly, it's like a rand kill, since you don't have enough content to determine alignment. I don't like it.

 

Not sure why Tina? Could you explain?

 

Thing is I understand Corys argument. Seems like a good amount of V on V arguing has happened, and the scum just need to sit back and do nothing. At the very least it should motivate the other ones to post.

 

Tina has abit more activity than Pral, so there might be atleast something to gain. Its by no means a solid or even good plan, which is why im still on Eldrick. My current #1 for today.

 

Alrighty. I'll post a color-coded reads list, as is my custom. Then I will vote. :3

 

 

(I'm still the proudest of my reads list from Storyteller, a game on my home site. They were color coded, charted, and were chock-full of metaphors. <3)

 

[wish-tree]

My ear is bleeding. I'll post when it stops bleeding

[Eldrick4221]

I have a horrible sore throat. It doesn't really hurt that bad, but it makes talking difficult. Being my job consists of a lot of talking (Taco Bell drive through), I have called off work today.

 

Side effect of having time to start my reread today :) (Until the Nyquil kicks in)

[Cory Caboose]

Lynching wolves > Lynching villagers for "information"

 

I mean Ocicat COULD be a wolf and I am in no way saying he is a villager but I think he's = rand at worst and we'd mostly be lynching him because we don't understand him.

 

I want to lynch Pral or Verbal today.

[Lenlo]

Lynching wolves > Lynching villagers for "information"

 

I mean Ocicat COULD be a wolf and I am in no way saying he is a villager but I think he's = rand at worst and we'd mostly be lynching him because we don't understand him.

 

I want to lynch Pral or Verbal today.

Definitely, but heres the thing. Im not sold on Talya being a wolf and I havnt kept up with the Verbal case enough to know all thats goin on there.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

I can make sense of Talya being town now, so that's good, I guess... from a certain perspective.

 

[v]Verbal[/v]

 

Horrible horrible horrible outrageously bad posts, I saw. My current best guess for scum.

 

Loki candidates:

Eldrick, Talya, Ocicat.

Wait, what? Explain these bolded parts...?

 

Do you think that Talya is town, or do you think she is Loki?

 

I can understand how Talya as town was thinking, maybe, therefore my case for voting is less significant. I don't know if I believe her, but that alone isn't sufficient.

 

Talya could be a wolf, or she could be loki. No one is mechanically cleared.

[Eldrick4221]

Alright. I said I'd take a look at Eldrick, so here goes.

 

His post about Loki's wincon didn't really bother me. I think he just saw it as an opportunity to have something game related to discuss to start the game off, and that again might have given us clues about people's alignments. I didn't read it as "I am disappointed that I don't get to see you people discussing my wincon" or "I'm disappointed my wincon was posted" as some have suggested it might have looked like. It's fishing for Loki the way I see it. 

 

In this post he talks about Ocicat's defense, and I do have to agree with him, that post is odd. Ocicat sounds like he's addressing a judge with a pre-written, well edited response. It doesn't seem like free flowing thoughts or ideas, but rather something he has spent time on trying to make sound good, and thereby making it weird.

 

I agree with him that both town and mafia should be Loki-hunting. The game will clear up once Loki is gone and we know what kind of roles and NAs are available for us. Blindly performing NAs when you don't know if you're a vig or a doc makes it rather complicated I'd say. But that's a digression. Back to Eldrick.

 

I do note that early on he agreed with me on Sili seeming antsy, then he follows up after I talk about being a fence-sitter about being on the fence himself. When I question Cory about his read on me, Eldrick chimes in and has issues with Cory not elaborating on his read as well. I get iffy when people jump up and back me up like that with no explanation. Doesn't mean he can't actually be feeling that way in a towny way though. 

 

This post I picked really because I wanted to talk more about Celeste and Dice than Eldrick to be fair. I feel like Celeste was trying to say that even if the mafia QT was open 4 days before the game started, it's not likely that Kivam would give them the opportunity to talk and prepare. I think she was talking about the mod more than the actual mafia, which, as Dice said, could have had a good chance to get ready. I am not sure why Dice would interpret her post the way he did. Overall I do have a town feel for Dice this game. 

 

 

 

ROSTER:

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

 

I'm gonna keep in mind what Cory said about Sooh. The only game I remember playing with her when she was scum, she was inactive due to RL issues. I don't know how to properly read her yet.

 

I've played a decent number of games with Sili. I'm usually right about his alignment, but then again he's usually town. I'm not one that gets caught up with his weirdness and thinks he's scum when he's not. The only game I can remember him being scum was the SW game when he was a traitor, and didn't know it til it happened. That was a weird dynamic, and not a good basis on reading.

 

Lenlo and Cat have Loki equity as I have already mentioned. Could easily be wrong about both of them, but being as I haven't seen anything scummy, this is where I'm going for now.

 

Everyone else is strictly null so far. It takes a while for be to get town reads, and several people don't have much content to base reads off of yet.

 

(P.S. Still wanna lynch hyrdas, but that's not enough reason to do so)

 

Bold: You hadn't really mentioned Loki-eq up until this point. Yes, sure you had been voting Ocicat and had some suspicions about Lenlo, but nothing that really stands out in your posts at least. Perhaps you can talk a bit about what you mean by Loki-eq, and why this is seeing as you haven't seen anything scummy. 

 

This post, from bolded part and out, is strange to me. Maybe this is why I have been feeling iffy about Eldrick lately. 

 

This post, about all the vote hopping that Sili does. Vote hopping on D1 in general is to be expected, and I have seen Sili do this before. He leaves a vote on someone for a little while and then skips to the next. I don't really find this a strong reason to vote him, but if there's more there that I'm not seeing I'm willing to listen. Sili has this ability to quickly sway from towny to scummy and right back in my eyes. 

 

I can see where he comes from in this post with the vote on Ocicat. Ocicat's vote on Talya and the reasoning behind it was strange.

 

Regarding the quoted post and the Loki-eq: I see now what you mean by saying you mentioned Lenlo being a possible Loki as you explained that later. I still would like to know why you think they are Loki as opposed to scum. What in Ocicat's posts makes you think he's Loki? 

 

 

Summarizing: well, I'm not sure I'm any closer to a conclusion on Eldrick after this. I would like to see how he responds to my questions first of all. He remains in the gray null area for me for now. 

Your explanation of the first part of my game is spot on. The discussion for the wincon was going to be an attempt to fish for Loki, or at least to discuss him, as he's the other threat in the game.

 

Ocicat has been odd a lot lately. It's why I'm voting him. Just doesn't feel like he's coming from a villagery standpoint.

 

I'm glad someone else feels the way I do about Loki hunting. :)

 

You said some things and I agreed with them. Why is this weird? You were right, IMO :P

 

And now on to the parts you wish to touch base on.

 

I didn't mention Loki-eq by name, no, but I did have suspicions of them.

   I saw potential in Lenlo being Loki, and not scum, because of how he responded to my wincon statement. But this has already been discussed.

   I saw potential for Ocicat to be Loki, and not scum, because his wording suggested he knew more about himself than we know about ourselves, with his "lynching me would be a mistake" comment.

 

Thank you for responding to my suspicion of Sili's vote changes. I'm biased in the sense that I have been called out for the same reason in the past. He's biased because he's defending the actions currently. I did want other people to put their 2 cents in about this.

 

Also, the "haven't seen anything scummy" post was before all of this happened. At the point of the post, I hadn't.

[Cory Caboose]

Alright I hate to be Lecture!Cory and act snobbish and uptight but I'm ready to play my hand.

 

I think one of the biggest mistakes villagers make is that they get super caught up in what people say.

 

"What the font are you talking about, Cory? This is an internet argument game! All we have to go by is what people say!"

 

I remember how much I pushed this in HoC with Cass and Verbal, to the point where I had to basically throw multiple mini-tantrums in order to get people to see that Cass was a wolf because everyone was clearing her for typing up pretty words and making sense and showing "effort". The fact is very much this: we are, indeed, playing an internet argument game. And anyone is capable of typing on a keyboard, anyone is capable of making an "observation", anyone is capable of writing up some words that look nice together and make it look like you are paying attention.

 

What you need to actually discern are WHO ARE THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING?

 

Verbal made some posts early and made some posts upon re-entry. Some of them were ~longish and talked about why he does what he does, his personality, and it all look neat and clean and finely cut and it made him look like a bright young chap with lots of cool thoughts.

 

Can anyone tell me who Verbal wants to lynch today?

 

Can anyone tell me who Verbal actually pushed to figure out the alignment of?

 

I sure as hell can't and I've read the thread multiple times. Verbal is not a bad villager. He tries to figure things out and make sense of the world around him. As a wolf, he's good at making nice, clean careful posts and doesn't make many enemies. Which do you see here?

 

And here we go with Pral, whom pretty much nobody really wants to lynch because he is "inactive".

 

Here's the thing: Pral was here day 1. He knows this game exists, he posted in it; I'm not listening to the "Pral is always inactive Day 1 bit" because a lot of the time he's not on DM and never even knew the game started. Wherever he is at this moment, he knows the game is underway and it's not that hard to get on a computer for five minutes once every four days. Inactivity is something extremely easy for him to hide behind because it's "what he's known for", but Pral is not an apathetic villager. I know how the guy plays; I saw him in the Wind in the Door dead thread lamenting that his reads weren't great because he's typically a very strong thread reader; speaking of that game, he also was early in that game and had a notable lapse of absence; yet in his first arrival he already dropped 1-2 light reads on players (that were, IIRC, correct) because he cares about trying to figure things out. Here he didn't bother before dipping out for four days and now he's being giving invulnerability for ~being inactive and I would guess he's a wolf who is playing all of you for fools who won't lynch someone for "no information".

 

And let's say he is a villager. What happens on Day 4 when the game is on the line and he doesn't bother to show up? What happens when you are at must lynch and he doesn't bother to place a vote? How much are we losing in comparative value toward lynch a player that is active and involved and will be there in the game's crucial moments?

 

And I will say it outright: we have NO IDEA who the PRs are, so what if we lynch a village PR instead of Pral that would have used their actions and lucked into something good? If Pral can not show up for four days, how can we depend on him to actually send in NAs as a villager?

[Cory Caboose]

And you guys know how much I hate writing long posts so I beg you, please read it and think about what I am saying.

 

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING?

 

Who ACTUALLY GIVES A DAMN about who is being lynched today?

[Lenlo]

Thats... actually quite helpful.

[Cory Caboose]

I love playing here but sometimes I feel like I am taking crazy pills.