Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Lenlo]

 

 

Fyi, it is not deflecting attention unless or until I fos her for coming at me, which I have not done.

I  disagree. You dont need to deflect the attention back at her or at someone else. You just need to get it off of you for it to count as deflecting. Least thats how I use it.

 

You are looking for a word like defensive i think.

 

Maybe. 

 

It's not about being good. She knows my meta, and I challenged her on it.

Im saying thats how it came across to me. I dont know your meta. I havnt played mafia here in months. I also tend to not keep up with meta.

[Sili Quirrels]

Honestly I would say this was a town/town conversation. [unvote]

 

Tress knows my meta Lenlo. I don't care whether you do.

 

[v]ocicat[/v]

[Lenlo]

Honestly I would say this was a town/town conversation. [unvote]

 

Tress knows my meta Lenlo. I don't care whether you do.

 

[v]ocicat[/v]

I dont if I should be hurt by this or not. ;_;

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Honestly I would say this was a town/town conversation. [unvote]

 

Tress knows my meta Lenlo. I don't care whether you do.

 

[v]ocicat[/v]

I dont if I should be hurt by this or not. ;_;

 

 

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[Lenlo]

Decided to ISO Talya

 

 

 

Hello and checking in!
 
[v]Talya[/v]
 
I'm sure it's just residual...

  

 

 

 

 

Are you kidding? You don't feed your pets chocolate, it's bad for them!

So your Tress' pet?

 
I am the thread's pet. A rampaging squirrel of justice that natters unending.
 
Tress probably wouldn't take very good care of me.

Maybe if wombat was in the game he could take care of you. I still think you want chocolate.

 
Wombat isn't here, though, but I am. Do you like white chocolate? ^~^

 

I love white chocolate if you are offering. Nice to meet you, not played with you before, no wombat this time?

 

 

 

oh hey its started.a couple days ago i think i wanted to vote john snow, for completely arbitrary reasons, so I'll do that.[v]John Snow[/v]

Hard claiming Gladiator. So come at me bro.

I think I should counter-claim Gladiator now :)

NO NO NO NO! Not again, otherwise I will have to lynch you and you will be the doc :p

[v]Eld[/v] for moaning at the Mod already

Btw - Eld, what did you mean by that statement?

 

Not much. Brings up Eld, waiting on the response the rest of us are. Her vote on him, unlike mine, isnt a serious vote. Maybe she thinks it could be ridden to a lynch, but its setup in a way that it would be easy for her to get off of him since its a "joke vote".

 

 

 

Hi Cory <3 I see the dynamic duo are together for another run

 

 

Hi Sooh..

Hey Tab, Ocicat has the White chocolate, I say mob him.

 

 

Hi Sooh..

Hey Tab, Ocicat has the White chocolate, I say mob him.

 

 

That was weird...two for the price of one

 

 

 

Also, white chocolate is not chocolate.
 
False advertising IMO, lynch white chocolate.

But it tastes so damn nice...lynch it in my direction >.> lol

 

 

 

Deal Tress, you can have my dark chocolate, I really don't like it, lol

 

 

For you Cory:

 

 

 

Everything in here is just jokey/fun posts. Could just be wasting time, but its early in the game and everyone was playin around. Nothing really to read into here imo.

 

 

So serious chats:
 

One thing that's been rattling in my brain the last few days is the effect of the four-day lead up going into the game. IE the mafia group have had ample preparation time and may be more co-ordinated than your average group being thrown into the fire. Whether or not they would use that preparation time to actually develop either a strategy or direct efforts into getting past the radar of specific players is a question as well, because they might have just said "hi" and slithered away and not really cared.
 
But considering this game seems relatively scum-sided in the first place, it's just something to think about. I've been thinking a lot about Sili's entrance in particular, as per what I know about what he believes his villager tells are and what he thinks a player like me would look for.
 

This isn't anything even realistically helpful but as per usual standard if you are a villager I'd love you see you being super villagery so I have less to figure out. tyty

Ok, so never thought about that. But during that time wouldn't they have been able to talk about how they can town tell more as well as strategy.

Out of interest, what are the things you look for in sili, and what does he think they are. If there is a difference then you would be able to spot if he was trying to push what he thought you looked for?

If I go with first reaction on reading through first time , I thought Sili and Sooh's interaction looked staged, but I would have nothing to base that on, just a feeling and it was the start of the game, lol

 

Our first real reads from Talya. Sili/Soohs interactions are staged. She immediatly brushes it off though with the bold. Looks pretty non-committal to me.

 

Why Cory Leelou?

Question.

 

Unless they were specfically told, they could easilly talk, doesn't have to be in there thread, otherwise Kiv could see. I don't know if they would, or if like many, took the time to rl stuff

I dont think anyone would talk outside the threads given to them by the mod. Its outside the spirit of the game and against the actual written rules

 

 

Part 1 of 3. I will spoil them all so they dont make the page huge.

[Kivam]

 

VOTE COUNT

 

Sili (2) - Tina, KeyBOOSE

John Snow (2) - Ocicat, Dice

Keyboose (1) - Eldrick

Eldrick (2)  - Talya, Lenlo

Ocicat (1) - Sili

 

9 to lynch

 

Note - this is likely the last vote count before Shabbos ... I may get in one more.  I've asked the Speccers to help out with VCs while I'm unavailable

[Lenlo]

Part 2 Electric Boogaloo. Lets do this

 

 

 

 

 

So serious chats:
 

One thing that's been rattling in my brain the last few days is the effect of the four-day lead up going into the game. IE the mafia group have had ample preparation time and may be more co-ordinated than your average group being thrown into the fire. Whether or not they would use that preparation time to actually develop either a strategy or direct efforts into getting past the radar of specific players is a question as well, because they might have just said "hi" and slithered away and not really cared.
 
But considering this game seems relatively scum-sided in the first place, it's just something to think about. I've been thinking a lot about Sili's entrance in particular, as per what I know about what he believes his villager tells are and what he thinks a player like me would look for.
 

This isn't anything even realistically helpful but as per usual standard if you are a villager I'd love you see you being super villagery so I have less to figure out. tyty

Ok, so never thought about that. But during that time wouldn't they have been able to talk about how they can town tell more as well as strategy.

Out of interest, what are the things you look for in sili, and what does he think they are. If there is a difference then you would be able to spot if he was trying to push what he thought you looked for?

If I go with first reaction on reading through first time , I thought Sili and Sooh's interaction looked staged, but I would have nothing to base that on, just a feeling and it was the start of the game, lol

 

It's not impossible that some interaction may have occurred, but I would think that Kivam would do his best not to allow it. 

 

Talya, what do you mean by "staged"?

 

 

Sounded false or set up. I just put it there, because so many times I've had instant thoughts and dismissed them only to be right. I'm not pushing it, because it was just a flash thought, but I put it there to remind myself I thought it. So there is no accusations, because it was a gut reaction, which could be so wrong. Also putting it there, may gauge other's opinions or reactions especially as Cory had mentioned about Sili.

 

Cant think of a better word but over reaction. It was a simple question imo, but we got alot of a response from it. Can anyone who knows her better look at this and tell me what they think?

 

 

 

Why Cory Leelou?

 

I can't focus on anything. Also not really seeing that the mafia team would get the advantage of being able to talk for 4 days before the game starts. 

 

 

So what was the reason for voting for Cory? I don't think this really answers it

 

Seconded. Answer plox Leels.

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.

Thanks for that.

@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

So here she is saying his(Cory) bringing up of the 4 day period between PMs and Game thread is not alignment indicative. Personally I agree, but Cory did say that he and key talked in their Hydra QT, so the fact that they (Scum) could have talked during that period is something to remember.

 

I see where you are coming from, but it would be good to see where he went with it first

 

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.
Thanks for that.
@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 
If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 

Thing is though, Cory didnt try to use it to incriminate someone. I cant say if he was planning to or not, but to me it seemed like he was just bringing it up so we knew it was a possibility. 

 

Here though Talya is basically saying the point is moot, done, gonzo.

 

@ Leelou, it's not bugging me, but I think your reason for voting is nullified, so it makes it interesting

Please explain why it is interesting Talya. MORE WORDS!

 

 

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.
Thanks for that.
@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 
If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 
??
 
If he's town, then he wouldn't want to bring it up so that it would be more effective to catch scum.
 
If he's scum, he would and should bring it up to gain town cred for the 'thought process'.

I take you point. But also bringing it up also makes others aware of it to look out for, as I said before. At the moment it is a null tell for me.

 

I disagree with Verbs reasoning in the Quote Talya is responding to. I dont see how not bringing it up helps catch scum. Please enlighten me.

 

 

 

@ Leelou, it's not bugging me, but I think your reason for voting is nullified, so it makes it interesting

 
But does that make my vote null?

I believe your vote is still being counted. But your reason for it, was what you thought Cory would do with it. Surely it would have been better to wait and see what he did with it. sometimes better to let it run to prove something. It looks worse for you for not letting that happen.

 

So Talya is nudging Leels. Saying her vote on cory makes her look worse, because she didnt wait to see how Cory followed through with this information he brought up. Dunno if shes testing the waters to see if its an early lynch target or if its just a comment

 

I like that people are actually on my time...*giggles* yes I'm that sad...

Nothin much.

 

 

 

[keyholder21]

*snipped*

 

So yeah. Im gonna look at you. And I might just pick a fight with you. Whether or not thats a good idea, dont really care. Im not exactly known for making good decisions in mafia regardless.

Townier.

[keyholder21]

Honestly I would say this was a town/town conversation. [unvote]

 

Tress knows my meta Lenlo. I don't care whether you do.

 

[v]ocicat[/v]

Why do you think this is a v/v convo?

 

Why Ocicat?

[Lenlo]

Part 3... Super spree? I dunno, just open the spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have heard someone say in the last game about him not voting enough for his town meta, so interesting that you brought that up.
Thanks for that.
@ Leelou, if he was Mafia, why bring it up. Not that I think it makes him either alignment on that. I don't think Kiv would let them talk in their thread, but 4 days to think through you strategy with or without your team is something to bear in mind.

 
If he would be trying to use it as a way to incriminate someone, then why not?

Would it not have been better to see what he did from there, now he is unlikely to. So the point is lost.

 
??
 
If he's town, then he wouldn't want to bring it up so that it would be more effective to catch scum.
 
If he's scum, he would and should bring it up to gain town cred for the 'thought process'.

I take you point. But also bringing it up also makes others aware of it to look out for, as I said before. At the moment it is a null tell for me.

 
So I've defended Leelou's point and you've defended Cory's.  As the proper 'seconds' in this mafia duel, let's dance!
 
/pewpewpew

I guess we have, aghhhhh...you got me

Lol, I was always slow off the draw, how about a Salsa instead, I can do that

 

 

 

I only have the last game with Cory, he didn't do that then, but that game was so different :/

 

 

Either jokey or nothing telling in here. Read if you want its just quotes

 

 

 

Ugh I just feel dirty. I don't like having to do the Sisyphus act and I really, really, really would like to do well because I always feel people are at least somewhat relying on me to give it my all and give at least ~moderate strength reads and that's probably just a weird stupid #INFP perception.
 
I just don't know how to process when people give me a hard time for dumb reasons because then I have to think about why they are doing it and what it means and it just adds a whole new level of cluster to an already complicated and difficult game.
 
It's Friday, I should be in a better mood.

 
Hey, I just want to town clear you early. 
 
What are your thoughts on Talya?
 
[unvote]

What are your thoughts on me?

 

Pressin Leelou for her thoughts on her. Valid thing to do imo with how they were previously interacting

 

 

 

 

 

Ugh I just feel dirty. I don't like having to do the Sisyphus act and I really, really, really would like to do well because I always feel people are at least somewhat relying on me to give it my all and give at least ~moderate strength reads and that's probably just a weird stupid #INFP perception.
 
I just don't know how to process when people give me a hard time for dumb reasons because then I have to think about why they are doing it and what it means and it just adds a whole new level of cluster to an already complicated and difficult game.
 
It's Friday, I should be in a better mood.

 
Hey, I just want to town clear you early. 
 
What are your thoughts on Talya?
 
[unvote]

What are your thoughts on me?

 
My thoughts are you jumped really quickly when I voted Cory. Still processing it.

 

You voted with no reason.

 

What if I am right about both lenlo and ocicat, then do i get town credit?

Food credits only

 

A joke and some stuff. I wouldnt say Leelou voted with no reason, just maybe not a good one.

 

 

 

Could at least quoted from one of the far better Star Wars films...lol

 

 

 

 

lol

 
Laugh it up, Fuzzball.

Now you're talking! Can't remember any quotes...been watching too much Hobbit and LotR..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

is Yates in this game?

 
He's mentoring some poor soul.

 
Is it too late for.......you know?

 
It's never too late. *sly wink*

 

If you awaken that beast, it will destroy us all!

 

 

 

Jokey jokes.

 

If it was in the first few pages I would have thought a joke vote and not looked at it unless she hadn't moved it. But the thread was just out of the joke stage, so saw it as a proper vote, hence asking.

Here she looks to be defending herself and her actions. Seems abit premature to do that, but that might just be my personality with how I treat FOSes/rods at me.

 

 

 

 

And that is all of Talya's posts until she posts more.

[Leelou]

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Honestly I would say this was a town/town conversation. [unvote]

 

Tress knows my meta Lenlo. I don't care whether you do.

 

[v]ocicat[/v]

Why do you think this is a v/v convo?

 

Why Ocicat?

 

reminds me of a lot of town town conversations i have seen.

 

why ocicat? because his first game related post came after an hour of floating, was completely blogus, and felt very obligatory on his part, as though it was made simply because he thought it should be.

[Lenlo]

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

[Leelou]

 

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

 

 

No. 

[Sooh]

*snip*

 

Sooh and Snow super feisty. Never played with Sooh, so idk what that means for her. Reads different than her in PYP though, where she was town, so wary. Much different level of involvement for JS from last game (TUS), so right now looks town.

I can be feisty sometimes

[Lenlo]

 

 

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

 

 

No. 

 

:(

[Sili Quirrels]

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.

 

1. Comes on around 11:33pm. A bit of fluff.

2.  1 hour later snow jokes about modkilling a player that isn't on the roster.

3. Ocicat is lurking therefore he sees it right away and responds:

 

 

I don't know about norms and what's off for people here, but making judgments about that already feels off to me.

 

PLS LINK ME TO SPEC THREAD KIVAM THANK YOU

 

MODSMODSMODSMODS

 

He edited his post. Modkill him. 

 

 

And I'll assume this is a joke, but kinda aggressive, no?

Vote: John Snow

 

4. He knows he should engage in the game at this point. Therefore his first game related post is very flaccid and forced. He makes no attempt to read anyone else. He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.

5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

 

 

No. 

 

:(

 

Just call her what you want, and if she doesn't respond fos her. With any luck she will put you on ignore.

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

 

 

No. 

 

:(

 

Just call her what you want, and if she doesn't respond fos her. With any luck she will put you on ignore.

 

 

I only have one person on ignore on DM. 

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

 

 

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

 

 

No. 

 

:(

 

Just call her what you want, and if she doesn't respond fos her. With any luck she will put you on ignore.

 

 

I only have one person on ignore on DM. 

 

Who?

[Leelou]

 

 

 

 

 

 

FTR, I won't answer to Leels, Leelers or any variation like that. Leelou, Lee, Lou, Lauren and Elle are all fine. 

 

Lenlo - I was poking the bear with Cory to see how he'd react. Needless to say, he's in my town pile. 

The ISO was mostly to just get all her posts in one place. I didnt get to look at some of the posts around each of them like I probably should have, so take my comments with a grain of salt in there.

 

Are you sure I cant call you that? Like super sure? There aint a deal I can make for this?

 

 

No. 

 

:(

 

Just call her what you want, and if she doesn't respond fos her. With any luck she will put you on ignore.

 

 

I only have one person on ignore on DM. 

 

Who?

 

 

Nobody in this game. And not telling since it is not relevant. I don't use the ignore feature lightly though. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Kay.

 

I put despothera on ignore for 2 weeks if I recall.

[Celeste]

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.

 

1. Comes on around 11:33pm. A bit of fluff.

2.  1 hour later snow jokes about modkilling a player that isn't on the roster.

3. Ocicat is lurking therefore he sees it right away and responds:

 

 

I don't know about norms and what's off for people here, but making judgments about that already feels off to me.

 

PLS LINK ME TO SPEC THREAD KIVAM THANK YOU

 

MODSMODSMODSMODS

 

He edited his post. Modkill him. 

 

 

And I'll assume this is a joke, but kinda aggressive, no?

Vote: John Snow

 

4. He knows he should engage in the game at this point. Therefore his first game related post is very flaccid and forced. He makes no attempt to read anyone else. He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.

5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

I have played with Ocicat before and he comes in with points but posts when he has things to say. It's easier to tell his alignment when you put pressure on him.

[Sili Quirrels]

Yes, not something to use lightly I suppose.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.

 

1. Comes on around 11:33pm. A bit of fluff.

2.  1 hour later snow jokes about modkilling a player that isn't on the roster.

3. Ocicat is lurking therefore he sees it right away and responds:

 

 

I don't know about norms and what's off for people here, but making judgments about that already feels off to me.

 

PLS LINK ME TO SPEC THREAD KIVAM THANK YOU

 

MODSMODSMODSMODS

 

He edited his post. Modkill him. 

 

 

And I'll assume this is a joke, but kinda aggressive, no?

Vote: John Snow

 

4. He knows he should engage in the game at this point. Therefore his first game related post is very flaccid and forced. He makes no attempt to read anyone else. He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.

5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

I have played with Ocicat before and he comes in with points but posts when he has things to say. It's easier to tell his alignment when you put pressure on him.

 

In regards to number 5, there is a lot to comment on at present.