Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Talya]

 

 

I know Talya. My point was, I think before Tab said she targeted Cory, I had already said in thread that I targeted Cory N1. So since I'd already said so in thread, then it would be easier for her to say the same. Makes sense?

 

Reread this, because I think I  got a different meaning out of it this morning at work. I see what you mean now, she could have easily thrown it in there.

 

I think it was Eld who said that we should all say who we sent actions in for on N1 and N2. I believe there maybe people out there who would be able to tell if what they recieve tallies. And yes, I know we can't say, but we Loki is gone, we will have a clearer picture on things.

 

N1 - I didn't submit a name

N2 - Submitted Verb (didn't get a result back on him obviously)

 

 

So you did get a result on someone else?

 

 

Yes I did...and as I said before, it was odd, because I don't think I would be a role that could get the result I did

 

I was thinking I would disregard both my scenario A and B. This is what I was thinking after not getting a result this night:

 

Everyone sends in an action, and that action is registered. But the result of roles that give back results, are randomized between players. So a result player A sent in will be given to player B, who doesn't have a role that gives a result, while player A gets the result for an action player C sent in, and player C gets nothing.

 

But then I remembered the kills N1 and it doesn't make sense again... If targets are not randomized, then the kills are weird. That means Dice killed CorKey, and and mafia killed Dice. Unless Loki has a killing power, he took out Dice, mafia took CorKey, and then N2 either Loki or mafia holstered, or they both targeted Sili.

 

I am completly confused and will give up on making any sense of this for now. Let's just conclude with "something is up with NA's" and leave it at that until we locate Loki.

 

I'm thinking it's the result that are randomised back. JS said Dice could have been killed when his shot was mirrored or there could be a 1 shot vig.

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if I am, but I'm not sure you can give that information out :/

 

As for thinking you might be wolf, I do, but that is only because of what happened at the end of day. Wish said you would come in and hammer her after coming back in, and then you came in saying you knew who she was and hammered. Before that I had you as town. So I'm not sure I'm ready to vote you just yet. Still have sooh in my head and need to reread Tina and Leelou.

 

I think Mish is the only one I have as Town.

 

I should be able to get a look tonight, I have done my homework, so feeling a little less pulled in all directions.

[Talya]

 

On D1, Talya gets into a small amount of trouble with Leelou over the “Why Cory?” conversation. She emerges from that with some suspicion around her for a while, but relatively unscathed, until she starts to gather votes, one of which is from Wish.

 

Then comes this. The first real, thought-out vote for Wish that we see in the game:

 

Half way through reread:

 

I liked sili's interaction with Ocicat and celeste. I have quoted above the post I want Celeste to answer. She posted knowing that if pushed Ocicat reveals himself, and yet, she didn't push him and didn't say what it was that you needed to look for after the interaction between sili and ocicat. It came across as a post that is looking like being involved but not really. Would like to hear her thought on Oci

 

It made me feel better Sili, he looked good here. I think his case on me is grasping at straws, so that brings it down again. His reaction to Oci surprised me, I would have thought he would say something about that, because Oci's reasoning was poor, and opportunist, rather do any work himself.

 

Sooh is certainly more fiesty than her last game, but she wasn't around so much in that game.

 

This is chaneable, but as of now reads list: (they are in no particular order in the groups)

 

Town:

 

JS - I have like his posts reminds me of BM game

Eld - Honest answers, mush clearer in what he says

Lenlo - Like his response to me and to Sili earlier on

Mish - Seems more engaged in this game, when she is here

Tina - Posts reminds me again of BM

 

Slight town/want to be town (means I want them to be):

 

Sili - he's a big player, done some things I have like, some not so much, this is more hoping he is town at present

Cory - I like his play and also want him to be town (but I can be fooled, so reluctant to put you up further)

Sooh - I like the feisty Sooh, I have doubts about it being town/sooh...but willing to go slight for now, her responses to me have been good.

Leelou - liked her response to me, but just a little wary of her.

 

Null:

 

Pral - haven't seen much to comment

Dice - Want to see more of before I decide

Tress - as with Dice

Verb - now he's back want to see his take on events before I feel I can put him in town or not

Tab - Like a few of her posts, still working out

 

Slightly on the wolfy side:

 

Oci - not liked the tone of his posts (I think it seems to be a theme - so it could be just him and I need to get used to it), I thought his vote on me was opportunistic. The reason he's not high as scum, is because I can't believe he would really do that as wolf...but I don't know enough, so for now in the scummy pile

 

Wish/Celeste - There have been a few questions, a lot of them about is it normal for people to say this or that. I didn't like Celeste's post about Oci, said it above. I'm not sure that Oci and Celeste/wish are likely to be wolves, so puts me in a quandry about the two here.

 

[v]Wish/Celeste[/v] out of the two, this is my strongest wolf read.

 

This leads me to think she is distancing herself from Wishleste, being the first in there to throw suspicion on her, and it makes sense from their previous conversations.

And at the very top of her greens list, is JS.

 

At the end of D1, Talya is also responsible for Pral's hammer.

 

What caught my eye in going back and looking at Talya was this:

 

JS looks bad for that hammer. Wish said in one of her last lists that she thought JS was wolf and that he would come in and hammer her. I think he came on and did exactly that and was probably told to in the QT.

 

I was hoping we could eek this out and have some of the inactives views on it all, but well done Mish and Sili <3

 

 

I think their whole act of blaming each other and having different reads was done on purpose to confuse us.

 

It just sounded too right, as if she could have been there and knows that this is EXACTLY what's going on. And JS did exactly what she did on D1, hammering, but this time hammering their team mate. Again, making both look good and distant from one another.

 

It didn't help that just as I was looking through this, JS makes this post:

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

 

Actually if you read my posts properly, you would see it wasn't just the hammer for why I think JS was in with them. So you didn't at any point think that Wish and Celeste were trying to confuse on purpose. I wasn't the only one who questioned their difference of opinions. That post of mine, was AFTER they had been lynched. So looking back it was easier to see exactly what they had been doing it.

[Talya]

And Mish could easily be Loki...
 

[Andrej]

Tress your #936 worries me.

 

Points if you can tell me why.

[Andrej]

I'm up to the point where Cory starts the wagon on Pral. Should be informative to see how the votes stacked up

[Andrej]

@Taborline - that's likely the opposite conclusion you should be drawing on Talya for being the first to start a bandwagon on scum D1.

[Taborline]

 

 

On D1, Talya gets into a small amount of trouble with Leelou over the “Why Cory?” conversation. She emerges from that with some suspicion around her for a while, but relatively unscathed, until she starts to gather votes, one of which is from Wish.

 

Then comes this. The first real, thought-out vote for Wish that we see in the game:

 

Half way through reread:

 

I liked sili's interaction with Ocicat and celeste. I have quoted above the post I want Celeste to answer. She posted knowing that if pushed Ocicat reveals himself, and yet, she didn't push him and didn't say what it was that you needed to look for after the interaction between sili and ocicat. It came across as a post that is looking like being involved but not really. Would like to hear her thought on Oci

 

It made me feel better Sili, he looked good here. I think his case on me is grasping at straws, so that brings it down again. His reaction to Oci surprised me, I would have thought he would say something about that, because Oci's reasoning was poor, and opportunist, rather do any work himself.

 

Sooh is certainly more fiesty than her last game, but she wasn't around so much in that game.

 

This is chaneable, but as of now reads list: (they are in no particular order in the groups)

 

Town:

 

JS - I have like his posts reminds me of BM game

Eld - Honest answers, mush clearer in what he says

Lenlo - Like his response to me and to Sili earlier on

Mish - Seems more engaged in this game, when she is here

Tina - Posts reminds me again of BM

 

Slight town/want to be town (means I want them to be):

 

Sili - he's a big player, done some things I have like, some not so much, this is more hoping he is town at present

Cory - I like his play and also want him to be town (but I can be fooled, so reluctant to put you up further)

Sooh - I like the feisty Sooh, I have doubts about it being town/sooh...but willing to go slight for now, her responses to me have been good.

Leelou - liked her response to me, but just a little wary of her.

 

Null:

 

Pral - haven't seen much to comment

Dice - Want to see more of before I decide

Tress - as with Dice

Verb - now he's back want to see his take on events before I feel I can put him in town or not

Tab - Like a few of her posts, still working out

 

Slightly on the wolfy side:

 

Oci - not liked the tone of his posts (I think it seems to be a theme - so it could be just him and I need to get used to it), I thought his vote on me was opportunistic. The reason he's not high as scum, is because I can't believe he would really do that as wolf...but I don't know enough, so for now in the scummy pile

 

Wish/Celeste - There have been a few questions, a lot of them about is it normal for people to say this or that. I didn't like Celeste's post about Oci, said it above. I'm not sure that Oci and Celeste/wish are likely to be wolves, so puts me in a quandry about the two here.

 

[v]Wish/Celeste[/v] out of the two, this is my strongest wolf read.

 

This leads me to think she is distancing herself from Wishleste, being the first in there to throw suspicion on her, and it makes sense from their previous conversations.

And at the very top of her greens list, is JS.

 

At the end of D1, Talya is also responsible for Pral's hammer.

 

What caught my eye in going back and looking at Talya was this:

 

JS looks bad for that hammer. Wish said in one of her last lists that she thought JS was wolf and that he would come in and hammer her. I think he came on and did exactly that and was probably told to in the QT.

 

I was hoping we could eek this out and have some of the inactives views on it all, but well done Mish and Sili <3

 

 

I think their whole act of blaming each other and having different reads was done on purpose to confuse us.

 

It just sounded too right, as if she could have been there and knows that this is EXACTLY what's going on. And JS did exactly what she did on D1, hammering, but this time hammering their team mate. Again, making both look good and distant from one another.

 

It didn't help that just as I was looking through this, JS makes this post:

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are. 

 

 

Actually if you read my posts properly, you would see it wasn't just the hammer for why I think JS was in with them. So you didn't at any point think that Wish and Celeste were trying to confuse on purpose. I wasn't the only one who questioned their difference of opinions. That post of mine, was AFTER they had been lynched. So looking back it was easier to see exactly what they had been doing it.

 

 

I didn't say it was the only reason, I only said that the way you mention what could be going on in the QT was curious and sounded like it could possibly be spot on, in a way phrased that makes it seem you could have been there.

 

I didn't actually reckon they were trying to confuse on purpose, I had felt their strategy might be limited to the not really giving much information and not answering questions, trying to lay low and then they got cornered. It doesn't really matter if you mentioned it afterwards, as it could still potentially be a safe and true argument for you to make as you knew that was what was going on. Either way, you could look good.

[Taborline]

@Taborline - that's likely the opposite conclusion you should be drawing on Talya for being the first to start a bandwagon on scum D1.

 

Likely correct. I was coming from a standpoint of Talya and Wishleste already being people of interest on D1, and the possibility of them losing two players too soon. Though then why not just let Talya go if she already had a train?

[Andrej]

I'm not sure what you're saying there. You think that I'm likely correct that it wasn't distancing, or?

 

Celeste also had a sketchy "gut read" vote on Talya at that point as well - something I pointed out earlier.

[Andrej]

Wish-tree's #990 probably clearing for Eldrick as not w/w

[Taborline]

I'm not sure what you're saying there. You think that I'm likely correct that it wasn't distancing, or?

 

Celeste also had a sketchy "gut read" vote on Talya at that point as well - something I pointed out earlier.

 

That I am probably seeing some that isn't there, as D1 is really early for getting into such a tangle and I think I'm feeling this game has been going on a lot longer than being on D3.

 

Celeste's gut read of Talya come from that mess with Leelou/Verb, which was the first larger thing we had to talk about and made Talya look questionable, which is why Celeste could have come in to say yes, Talya's bad, it's my gut feeling, and she is distancing herself from Tal there too.

[Talya]

Tab - how did you know it was from me and Leelou that caused her to have her gut, she never said anything about it when I asked, just kept saying it was a feeling. Seems you know more info about it, unless you can show a post where she did that

[Taborline]

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

 

It was coming from this post, then she voted you with the "gut feeling".

[Talya]

When i asked her why, she never mentioned that as the reason. So you are just presuming something that wasn't said after at all

[Talya]

Someone quoted her earlier, that before my vote she was actually not liking Verb at all, so thought it was odd she went for me. So her thoughts are not following a good pattern and yet you assume that is the reason. It makes me wonder why she didn't go for Verb as it was him she was looking at.

[Taborline]

When i asked her why, she never mentioned that as the reason. So you are just presuming something that wasn't said after at all

 

I can't argue with that part.

[Talya]

 

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

 

It was coming from this post, then she voted you with the "gut feeling".

 

I'll ask again HOW do YOU know that it came from this post...please show where she refers to this, after she was asked many times, by myself and Mish

[Talya]

As for the part about the confusion, they seemed keen to put their thoughts on who they thought was town wolf, and it changed and they disagreed, this is what made me think later that they did this on purpose to confuse us as they knew they were going down.

[Taborline]

 

 

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

 

It was coming from this post, then she voted you with the "gut feeling".

 

I'll ask again HOW do YOU know that it came from this post...please show where she refers to this, after she was asked many times, by myself and Mish

 

 

You were right about that. At the same time, it doesn't negate what I was saying that she COULD have been distancing from you in the wake of that event.

[Andrej]

Stopping on of 52 for now.

[Talya]

No she couldn't be Tab, I'm not on her team :p

[Taborline]

No she couldn't be Tab, I'm not on her team :p

 

[Leelou]

I don't think Talya is scum. 

[Talya]

 

No she couldn't be Tab, I'm not on her team :p

 

 

haha, glad you have a good sense of humour

[Taborline]

 

 

No she couldn't be Tab, I'm not on her team :p

 

 

haha, glad you have a good sense of humour

 

 

I liked that answer!