Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

BFG · July 28, 2015

Gonna stop for now because I keep getting distracted. It's been about 3 hours and I've only been able to get through 7 pages of the thread - but even so I think I'm starting to see things shape up a bit more. My feelings about it coming down to Talya/Zander after Verb are getting reinforced the more I see them argue on D1.

BFG

Dice

Thane

Talya/Zander

Verb

Place marking pg 27 for when I get back later tonight. Gonna be having dinner at the future-in-laws this evening but I figure I can get another hour or two of reading in before I go to sleep tonight.

i really dont know at this point

Thane is a little off. He isnt seeing things he should see and im not sure he derps THAT much.

I do want to get Talya/Zander sorted. Im more likely to go Zander then i am Talya

im worried you are deep wolfing on me. You are doing a bit of that Town Leading thing I have seen you do as mafia but it does feel a little different. You are like a permanent tinfoil for me lately lol

So after Verbal my WTL would be Zander Thane id probably go Zander first

Dice what changed from here?

dicetosser1 · July 28, 2015

my problems include that every time he makes one of his statements i have a retort disagreeing with it.

I waffled on Thane something fierce

it feels like hes trying to scare us with the whole bullet thing. I feel like hes trying to trap us

I realise i may have bias because sili replaced in. I cant read him at all and am always sus of him.

BFG if you REALLY think it is Zander I will follow

BFG · July 28, 2015

may have posted these already

Thane I am back and forth on. I wanna believe he's a villager but there are times when he says stuff and I start to question him again.

I also really don't like how Laine handled him by sitting on the fence about giving a read and yet defending him at other points.

I'm awake (barely) and catching up. I don't know why we're voting Hally though, this is basiclaly the only time I've town read her which is odd but I think good;; and I'm pretty sure I don't get the argument against Shad, though. He's high on my list with Zander at this point.

Zander, not sure why you're voting Talya, I've got her in ??? until I can figure her out better, like BFG.

Hmmmmm

@ Alanna for town to win we need to be on the same page. please re read Talya!!!

Zander encouraging his wolfmate to reconsider a read on thread?

Not likely imo

Read at present:

AJ - I have had a good feeling about his posts, I don't see the tunneling that some do, I saw that in the SW game on Seph and this seems more logical and thought out.

Hally - not voting her today, I have really like her posts and thought processes.

BFG - Her questioning and opening part of the game seem sound to me.

Dice - I did get a town read on his initial posts to Alanna, I would like to hear more from him

Thane - he had a couple of posts I didn't like towards the end, with his OMGUS vote, but overall, I have a town feel on him.

Shad - I like his posts first of all, I went back and reread, I think I looked too deeply into what he was saying and got a little wrapped up in it. not as high as first, but still on the towny side

Laya - I have like the first few posts he has done, not agreeing with his vote on Hally, positive feel atm

Yates - I have liked posts so far, his thing he did, I don't see what the point of that was if he was wolf, in another game where another team maybe, but can't see what information he would get out of it as a wolf. The only way would be if he was trying clear team mates, I know I'm town, so I'm not seeing this. Still hasn't answer my question on Hally thought. slight town read.

Alanna - I'm not getting a town read on her, however not getting a strong wolf read. There have been a couple of things that I have noticed mainly to do with Thane, and this brings her down to a null

Zander - He grates at me, and I'm not sure where this makes me want to put him. He did this in the last game, and is doing it here, not sure if that means he is town here. There doesn't seem to be any progression in his reads and seems to push others for what they think and then jumps on that.

Rand - Really didn't like his first few posts, there was more fluff in them than needed, and quite a bit has happened so missed a lot, seemed to pick on some inane things to point someone Alanna as scum, although I don't like her stuff with Thane, his did seem reaching. Quite happily vote here

Verb - Verbal, Verbal, where for art thou Verbal -send out a search party

the list sort of goes down from Town to mafia, (Apart from Verb), some in the middle can easily go up or down though

QFR

even if i'm bloody on, what can i even say? 1) i check other boards than mafia on DM, 2) i lost track of this game more than 20 pages ago and i have not caught up, not will i ever.

This'll probably be my last game for a long time to come. It's just not fun anymore and i can't bring myself to even put any effort into it.

If you're all so keen on getting me lynched: FINE. Maybe the night will take care of things, so there's that.

:(

i don't ever see a townie kill Pral here though... With the little he posted, it doubt it'd have been enough for any townie to decide to off him. Perhaps wolves feared Pral could helpe solve easily? Or they just wanted to confuse us, which is working.

I am however quite ... i dunno... cautious and suspicious here.... Looking at the remaining players, and how strong they are.... killing off AJ, Laine or Verb (even if he didn't participate much yet) would have made more sense imo as wolfkill.

One of those posts that makes me frown a little.

Perfect info or good intuition?

Maybe I'l try it this way. In the other games like SW and ME everyone at some point starting reading Talya as Maf or into a PoE this game no one but me is. Those other games she a little more all over the place this game very concise like she KNOWS who is who, Like she has to putting EVEN more effort and thought into what she says and does to leave little to no space for error. Town!Talya is a little more... carefree maybe the word im looking for. I hope my explanation makes sense. My gut is telling me somethings up here and so Im following it.

Can't hate this post.

how does this link to verb? you think hes just jumped and went to Rand or what? I think Verbs a slight town read atp. But obv not a lot to go on.

More or less. Still wanna see more from both parties before I can really reconcile this thought but I tend to work this way when evaluating how players handle one another when you can look back once flips are revealed.

QFT

EBWOP I've never seen Thane do anything but take the lynch before. I hope the emotion is part of his town play (as him not fighting his lynch when town can be frustrating), but I don't know

@BFG: i see that you noticed that i change my way to play. Sometimes i post reads lists, other times i don't. I try to avoid having the same playstyle all the time. But, i need to do a better job at it, seeing i'm always pinging as scummy, even when town.

Besides that.. i do hope you're town this game...really, i do. But i'm not quite feeling it just yet.

I try to put my thoughts out after a NK, to see what other people think and if my mind is working fine. I've said so before, i have a hard time D1, but i try to connect dots and solve the game after the first flips. Unfortunately, it has been a bad night for town, so we (town) need to get our act together.

For the moment, i am here:

my homies:

Shad

AJ

Zander

i want these to be town:

BFG: solid posting, i liked her entrance in the game... even now she makes sense. But, 100% town? not yet.

mixed:

Talya: having read what Zander was all about, it does make sense. You could surely be a wolf. But, other people read you town. You have me a tad confused, but not enough yet for me to willing to lynch you

Verb: nice posts.. but has missed most of D1 and N1.... looking forward to hear more from you so that i can either put you up there ^^ with the blue, or in hell with the oranges

wolf among these:

Dice: you frustrate me. i just haven't found enough to be able to clear you. You're in the bottom 3 by PoE

Laine: Where's the town leader i have seen before? i haven't seen her here yet. It makes me sad... i just don't feel the same way about you as i did last game.

Rand: ugh... i think he beat me in relative bad posts to good posts ratio this game. Which is an achievement. An achievement that will not earn you a medal here, though... more a short drop and a quick stop.

Thane, what's changed since here?

Dice, thoughts on Thane?

his play is more reminiscent of his last scum game imo. he was very detached, not involved, away for long periods. the reason i bring this up is I was just sitting here thinking scum wouldnt be this inactive then realised that he WAS last time round. I know RL can be a bear and I AM keeping that in mind too. The fact that im still questioning someone I can usually clear D1 and its D3 now is making me lean mafia on him.

Dice, what do you think about Zanders lack of reaction to my ISO?

Im biased here cause I know Zander has been fairly inactive in RL the last week or so. TBH i WANT to see his reaction cause honestly? If he comes in just screaming you are scum and not giving proper thoughts im gonna lynch him. I am not sold on him this game so far and I want to see some work and thoughts

Right now my lynch order would be verb zander thane. Verb im still waiting to hear from but it is gonna need to be good Zander i think solves talya too

This is Talya's reaction to Rand's Flip

What?!

Bleh!

like you didnt know he was gonna flip. Your too pot on this game Talya. Every game we've played in people have wavered on you. It's almost like....I don't know, maybe you already know who is who in this game.

BFG · July 28, 2015

Zander starting to look better here?

dicetosser1 · July 28, 2015

whats changed is ive got too much time to think

BFG · July 28, 2015

i don't ever see a townie kill Pral here though... With the little he posted, it doubt it'd have been enough for any townie to decide to off him. Perhaps wolves feared Pral could helpe solve easily? Or they just wanted to confuse us, which is working.

I am however quite ... i dunno... cautious and suspicious here.... Looking at the remaining players, and how strong they are.... killing off AJ, Laine or Verb (even if he didn't participate much yet) would have made more sense imo as wolfkill.

One of those posts that makes me frown a little.

Perfect info or good intuition?

interesting. ^^^

i occasionally have a bright moment in a game...

Maybe I'l try it this way. In the other games like SW and ME everyone at some point starting reading Talya as Maf or into a PoE this game no one but me is. Those other games she a little more all over the place this game very concise like she KNOWS who is who, Like she has to putting EVEN more effort and thought into what she says and does to leave little to no space for error. Town!Talya is a little more... carefree maybe the word im looking for. I hope my explanation makes sense. My gut is telling me somethings up here and so Im following it.

Can't hate this post.

me neither. We should follow this guys thought process here and lynch her imo.

i really dont know at this point

Thane is a little off. He isnt seeing things he should see and im not sure he derps THAT much.

I do want to get Talya/Zander sorted. Im more likely to go Zander then i am Talya

im worried you are deep wolfing on me. You are doing a bit of that Town Leading thing I have seen you do as mafia but it does feel a little different. You are like a permanent tinfoil for me lately lol

So after Verbal my WTL would be Zander Thane id probably go Zander first

so you think AJ is poss deep wolfing and Thane seems off yet you wanna go me next???

a little weird. but if its the sorting things out part and I flip town does that confirm Talya for you? and if so what will that make of her to you villa or wolf?

im just not following this line of thought but maybe im missing something.

This is Talya's reaction to Rand's Flip

What?!

Bleh!

like you didnt know he was gonna flip. Your too pot on this game Talya. Every game we've played in people have wavered on you. It's almost like....I don't know, maybe you already know who is who in this game.

See I don't get this :(

In SW Talya was in the POE, except for a couple of players at the end who can apparently read her well, as she is now in this game. Was there early game suspicion that I don't remember in that game? This reads like somebody saying that you made a good point on Day 2, which you're now reiterating despite the fact it's no longer valid.

What makes you think she's too spot on???

The fact that no one is reading wolf at all. This makes me very concerned. as town people read her off as she forming her opinions/reads only based on what she reads. this game shes just to point. like she knows what reaction to make to posts based on the fact she knows their alignment. if that makes sense.

You had me in your sights quite early on, and not everyone was reading me as town, and yet this had you concerned. I think that you are picking and choosing all the comments people make and make them into your own, because you haven't come up with an original idea about since this game started. When I flip town, what are you going to do then. this is copy catting, so bad.

I originally out this down to how you play, but actually you don't. Even in SW game you focused in on Seph D1, then moved to CS and it was only later you went with Yates, but I have never seen you go for someone all the game, and I believe it's because you are wolf, know my alignment but feel you can't back down from this, as you keep telling everyone it is your meta. Well it isn't.

Verb > Zander > Thane would be my choice.

so... Verb... if you flip town, we need to lynch AJ, if i read that correctly? It's an option, yes.

@all the rest: what if Verb is actually right here? He flips town, what do we do?

Just something to keep in the back of our minds.

If i remember correctly, he's at L-1, right? Some replies would be nice before i hammer.

so... Verb... if you flip town, we need to lynch AJ, if i read that correctly? It's an option, yes.

@all the rest: what if Verb is actually right here? He flips town, what do we do?

Just something to keep in the back of our minds.

If i remember correctly, he's at L-1, right? Some replies would be nice before i hammer.

Why would you want to hammer? Do you really think I'm a wolf?

See Verbal, here's my problem: there is one townie i'm sure about... me

second would be BFG because uncontested claim.

Third Zander because i think he'd be diffirent when wolf.

Aj so far has been doing ok, but yeah... i know that he can be a deep wolf from experience.

Talya... i dunno what Zander sees... but it makes sense, his case seems alright.

And you.. you're in my bottom 3. I also know you can try to talk yourself out of basically anything. I can't do any math now to see how towns chances would be should you flip town concerning victory. So i'm torn.. you seem a valid lynch target, Verb. But you have a point and i agree with BFG here... about AJ..

See Verbal, here's my problem: there is one townie i'm sure about... me

second would be BFG because uncontested claim.

Third Zander because i think he'd be diffirent when wolf.

Aj so far has been doing ok, but yeah... i know that he can be a deep wolf from experience.

Talya... i dunno what Zander sees... but it makes sense, his case seems alright.

And you.. you're in my bottom 3. I also know you can try to talk yourself out of basically anything. I can't do any math now to see how towns chances would be should you flip town concerning victory. So i'm torn.. you seem a valid lynch target, Verb. But you have a point and i agree with BFG here... about AJ..

Read my above post. You guys have 1 thing on me, and I debunked it in that post.

As for the bold above, I suggest you never use that thought process in mafia. You have no idea, and not even an educated guess. If you knew Zander IRL, then maybe I'd entertain you having an educated guess on how he'd be as a wolf.

Most solid players have great early wolf games because we have no idea how they'd be....so they fool us a few times before we can hone in on their specific tells. Zander is like this - he's a good player, so he WILL fool people in the beginning. At that point, it'll be on him to evolve his wolf game to adapt. But in the beginning, there is little we can do. Is this Zander's wolf game? Meh, my gut says yes. Am I wrong? Perhaps. But I'm not going to pretend I have something on him that makes it different -- I can only use a gut judgement on him before I know how he actually plays as a wolf.

@Verb how confident are you on Thane and Talya? How caught up are you on thread?

Very confident on Thane, and mildly on Talya. Thane because of the emo he dropped in thread and the "I quit" post. That doesn't come from a scum!Thane, imo. I'd be shocked, and tbh a little disappointed if that were the case.....so I'm confident. Talya just seems to be doing the #work I associate with her village game.

@Verb: ftr: i know Zander quite a bit, Skype fairly often. So i think i could guess when he would be off. The only thing i could think of against him is that he's not posting as much as i've seen him do in previous games. (at least, that's how i feel about it)

You Skype with him? And you think.....ok I'm not even going to entertain this line of thought anymore. If you think he's a villager, ok good. My gut says otherwise - we'll see, I guess.

Dice, your opinion on Zander?

im really tempted to CFD him right now BFG

Can I just say you two are doing my head in

@ BFG - I haven't been able to do much here, nor the other game...exam Thursday and brain is frazzled and very stressed right now. As far a Zander is concerned, he never really replies to posts properly, just makes silly comments, i think it's because he doesn't have any real substance to add at all, so throwing the comments that he does, is all he can do.

I don't know what to think of Verb and AJ right now. In fact don't think my brain can process it. I think there maybe a lot of solve with Verb right now, im trying to see if he could be town. Not sure I can.

wow getting frazzled is right!!! i think you know how wrong this statement is. I'm sorry if your stressed out right now in RL I honestly am. But I'm not gonna stop suss'ing you because of it so this comment of yours is not gonna turn me away from you my dear. I've made my points and will continue to do so, this kind of comment about my play style only makes me think im on the right track. id even consider thinking frustrated towny but I'm really the only on after you so I'm not buying it.

didnt you say if rand flipped town it looks good for verb? can you please elaborate on this.

I

mixed at the moment. The case presented against him (linking with Rand and all) was pretty convincing, but i kinda liked his posts in reply to the accusitions. On the other hand, i know he could talk his way out of things. He's not cleared in any way to me.

opinions????

This is well after Rands town flip, so any case linking them as mafia teammates is debunked.

BFG · July 28, 2015

Verbal was 100% certain wolf for me, untill his interaction with AJ started. In truth, the entire 'conversation' between the two of them makes sense from both sides. I'm still not 100 % convinced he's town though, so i would still be willing to hammer him for that.

in the event of him being town... well... we'll look into things when night is done *nods*

Talya, did you already vote someone, and who would you vote in case you haven't?

more importantly, why have you not voted if you haven't yet?

(i'm a tad too lazy to look for a VC)

Thane can you explain your reaction to my claim???

i honestly overlooked the claim. i guess i had my head up my ass when reading through all that. But, i have to say that my opinion is the same: in general i'm cautious with a doc claim. if it's not CC'd after enough time, it could certainly be a true claim. But it could also be a tactic to draw out the 'real PR' by mafia.

Having said that, i'm starting to think that someone would have cc'd if it were the case,so...

Verb still isn't blowing me away :( although he has picked up on my worst nightmare with an AJ/anybody mafia team lol.

@Verb, Why Zander over Dice, given that you don't seem to have a read on Dice?

@Verb, if you flip town and mafia still have a shot we have no mislynches left (assuming no town vig shots left; which is possible).

How sure are you that Talya and Thane are town? How caught up are you in thread?

And that was a response I've been waiting for from Talya, heh (and sort of shifts everybody back to bleh :/ at least until I've finished my Day 2 reread as a minimum

I've only played a couple of games with Zander, and I have no wolf meta on him. In this game, I feel like he's not willing to accept he might be wrong on Talya. Everything she says just confirms her as a wolf for him. For many people, this would be very suspicious. I can't say if it means that for him, though. Just a gut feel for me.

And I don't need to "blow you away". I've been playing catchup for most of the game - I was on vacation for the start. Not your fault, obviously, but I have been acting the same way in this game as I usually do when a villager, minus the more activity and 'harder' stances. I had Rand and Laine early on, thought maybe v/w, and said so on thread. My mistake was to keep after Rand and not make the switch on thread that I was making in my head. That single event is the ONLY dirt anybody has on me.

Protip: villagers make those mistakes all the time - wolves hardly do, because they are thinking hard about how they are perceived. I was not, so if anything....that is another point for me, not against me.

fwiw: I'm not wrong UNTIL I'm proven wrong. and Dude you played a few games with me. I lock on to something i hone on hard. I can be backed off if i see something or someone brings up a set of good points and sometimes not even then. You've seen me go after people I go for it. For better or worse thats how I play. And lastly fyi your gut is wrong.

I disagree i think you do need to blow us away brother. I've liked some of your posts but disliked others. Its once again coming down to your vote on Rand instead of Alanna when you said you felt it was v/w and....

"but I have been acting the same way in this game as I usually do when a villager, minus the more activity and 'harder' stances"

you gotta see why this is causing alarms along with the vote right???!!!!

Can I just say you two are doing my head in

@ BFG - I haven't been able to do much here, nor the other game...exam Thursday and brain is frazzled and very stressed right now. As far a Zander is concerned, he never really replies to posts properly, just makes silly comments, i think it's because he doesn't have any real substance to add at all, so throwing the comments that he does, is all he can do.

I don't know what to think of Verb and AJ right now. In fact don't think my brain can process it. I think there maybe a lot of solve with Verb right now, im trying to see if he could be town. Not sure I can.

wow getting frazzled is right!!! i think you know how wrong this statement is. I'm sorry if your stressed out right now in RL I honestly am. But I'm not gonna stop suss'ing you because of it so this comment of yours is not gonna turn me away from you my dear. I've made my points and will continue to do so, this kind of comment about my play style only makes me think im on the right track. id even consider thinking frustrated towny but I'm really the only on after you so I'm not buying it.

didnt you say if rand flipped town it looks good for verb? can you please elaborate on this.

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What is wrong with that statement, you still haven't come up with why you think I'm wolf, just shove it in my face everytime I say anything about it, your comments are nothing more than you saying I'm wolf, saying it so many times doesn't make it true. I am frazzled, didn't expect it change anything, and it wasn't aimed at you. It's what I am hence lack of time on thread, unfortunately.

I said a while back I thought Verb looked town from his first few posts, there have been things since then that have altered that view. His vote on Rand and not on Alanna seemed odd to me. This argument with AJ, is leaving me cold at present, I haven't got the time to really go over it like I would like to and that is annoying. I would like Verb push for who he thinks is mafia (it can't just be AJ) and would like to see some really good reasons why. He has mentioned you on gut, and him going a AJ (I have to say I have AJ as pretty strong town read).

@ BFG - The tunneling is definitely one of the main factors. Yes he does tunnel in games but not like this, it's obsessional. Even in other games he has reasons. Here he seems to grasp at straws, (D1 especially) and now uses things others have said that they think I could be wolf as his ideas all the time, there is a lot of turning over of other peoples ideas. He wasn't on the Alanna lynch, which in it's self doesn't mean a thing, but the way she buttered up to him at the end didn't feel quite right. He said he had started to doubt her, but still wasn't willing to go over to her. If I make any comments out he just comes back with That I'm wolf, or howl away, etc, no actually thoughts about what I have said. not seen him do that. The Yates in SW was a different feel, I could feel the frustration and people asked him to go over it in a post why, but here he is blind and it's not frustration but almost like victimisation (no that wasn't an AtE, but trying to put into words).

this is the EXACT same approach as in SW I started YELLING at everyone and went on and it got me no where. I'll yell when i want to but in the aftergame and DT people mentioned it made people tend to not follow or listen to me, Seph built up the case after I gutted the wolf out of hiding. Which is the EXACT same thing thats starting to happen with other peoples view of you. You seeing a pattern here...

meh...

found my post here.

The one missing is dice in there. i have no idea on him. He is pretty quiet, and i don't know if that's good or bad

Tbh I think Town!Verb fights better here and does more to analyze the game imo.

If he does flip town I will look into AJ though he's one of my stronger town reads..

Also still willing to vote Talya.

Really hoping you're right here :/

I already fought and posted a bunch to defend against AJ's major point of me voting Rand instead of Laine.

This "town!Verb fights better" is crap, and I don't understand why it is being accepted. If the game is still on tomorrow, I'd lynch within AJ/Zander.

Can't speak for Zander, but the way I want town to fight is to hunt for other suspects As well as fighting the case against you.

you can here my dear

Verbal has been unceremoniously lynched.

He was

BAMF

BFG · July 28, 2015

So, Day 3 Thane looks better, Day 4 Zander looks better

BFG · July 28, 2015

so, wait for night and re-asses?

so, here's a question:

is it possible that verb/aj was town/town and the two wolves are .. let's say... Talya and Dice?

thoughts?

so, here's a question:

is it possible that verb/aj was town/town and the two wolves are .. let's say... Talya and Dice?

thoughts?

Why not you and Zander?

Or Talya/Zander?

Pretty much don't think Dice is a wolf here and I'm sticking to that.

There's two between you, Talya and Zander.

very good question which i can not answer from memory completely....

if i remember correctly, dice was going after Laine this game. Perhaps early distancing, and now he's not really involved, staying off radar, not really gamesolving. Not suspicious because he sorta got cleared because of going after Laine? Would be a solid tactic. Laine goes down, dice cleared till endgame

3rd attempt to post this

so, here's a question:

is it possible that verb/aj was town/town and the two wolves are .. let's say... Talya and Dice?

thoughts?

No cause im town and the way you worded that is legit bad thane. you looking for mislynch options?

@BFG re Verb id really appreciate you looking over the Verb stuff. Not what HE said but why people voted him who pushed the treain along that sorta stuff. I know I voted him D2 but things changed in my head today.

Once he started talking he made some good points. the longer i looked at it the more it seemed to me that the verb lynch was too easy. There wasnt enuff gameplay reasons for it. It seemed to boil down to that vote on rand and nothing else. But I wanted to hear more from him. He had a point that AJ told him to stay the course and he did....but AJ didnt. Yes he could have read up and made up his own mind but when u are in catch up mode that doesnt really happen.

His points about AJ townleading was something I have concerns over. Ive seen him do it before as both town and scum but the time i saw it as scum I had issues with it and didnt speak up i just trusted him and got bit. He has been townleading here so i am watching.

As verb and AJ were going back and forth I found myself nodding along with Verb not AJ. I ended up feeling like i did with Rand I suddenly felt he was going to flip town. only way i was hammering verb was last minute

regarding AJ im very much where i think you are I THINK he is town but its THINK not IS and that worries me.

I still think we lynch Zander. He has tried saying he is the same as before but he isnt. I think it was you BFG talking to talya that said the frustration was missing. As soon as you said that a lightbulb appeared over my head. it was exactly right.

Thane I keep waffling on. I wouldnt be OPPOSED to a thane lynch. Every now and then he does something like what i quoted above and then theres this

very good question which i can not answer from memory completely....

if i remember correctly, dice was going after Laine this game. Perhaps early distancing, and now he's not really involved, staying off radar, not really gamesolving. Not suspicious because he sorta got cleared because of going after Laine? Would be a solid tactic. Laine goes down, dice cleared till endgame

Now hes not the first to bring this idea up but seriously?? I bus my teammate with my second post of the game? Nu Uh! Im not that suicidal. Its also not a great play for scum and town thinking knows that.

thanes driving me nuts. I see town thane but every now and then he does something weird like i said earlier. i keep waffling which probably means he is town.

Part of it is his suspicion on me i feel like he should have seen enuff to have me clear

as for speaking up it was my thinking after i held off voting but i wasnt able to get on before lynch. in hindsight i should have voted zander instead of just suggesting a cfd

IT is now day

May the odds be in your favor!

long story short i dont think im voting verb at this time. BUT i want you to dig in verb, We got 24 hrs or so

I AM looking at AJ verbs points are valid but they are also stated at various points in the game

Dice changes his thoughts towards Verb as well here. But wants him to dig in.

I'm not feeling scum on dice. I thought D1 was pretty much towny Dice. He has followed through what he has said and is following the thread. His vote on Alanna D1 could have been a vote on a wolf mate, it didn't have the feel of it. He put it back on on D2 and this was after AJ had started looking at Alanna, so why would you continue for your wolfmate on Day 2 if you thought they would get lynched. I can't see him doing this. so feels towny.

Zander & AJ: I was pretty sure that both were town the first half of the game. Well, up untill verb's townflip actually. I'm doubting AJ is town here now, purely on his interaction with Verb. He didn't seem too devastated that Verb was town. I also lack that kind of reaction from Zander to be honest. Zander was quite vocal early game, but i get the impression his posting gets less with the amount of players left.

I consider you clear, BFG. Leaves 4 people, with two wolves. And one could find points against all of them.

The trick is to find the right ones here.

there was no D1 lynch... town was all over the place and didn't decide on the right person to lynch. Not lynching D1 isn't a bad thing when no obvious wolf is around if you ask me. Saving a mislynch could be helpful later in the game.

And, yeah, we need a wolf today.

as for Zander.. it's more gut than anything else. He should have been louder when a townie is mislynched... especially in this stage of the game.

the way he pushed the Rand lynch yet saying it had to be rand verb and in that order.

top 2?? Probably Zander thane

basically, i wanted to say that the wolves would not kill a lot of people N1, with all the shots at their disposal. If they used all their shots, and you'd have a few hero shots, then the game would have been over faster imo. 3 kills N1 is already a lot, but they're not all wolfkills.

We can be fairly certain that Hallia was a hero shot. We don't know if Pral pulled a trigger or not. So, worst case, only one shot by a wolf N1, could have been Laine. And the wolves have 2 shots left now, seeing there was only 1 kill N2 and nothing else. Or, Laine didn't get the chance to shoot, and there's only one wolfkill left.

at this point, i'd like to put dice in town as well... i really do....

POE is Zander, AJ and Talya.

Question is: was Verb/AJ town/town or town/wolf.... i don't know for sure.

I'd be ready to vote either one of those 3.

BFG · July 28, 2015

at this point, i'd like to put dice in town as well... i really do....

POE is Zander, AJ and Talya.

Question is: was Verb/AJ town/town or town/wolf.... i don't know for sure.

I'd be ready to vote either one of those 3.

for the moment? Zander, then AJ, last Talya.

as for dice, i trust your judgement (no pressure )

there was no D1 lynch... town was all over the place and didn't decide on the right person to lynch. Not lynching D1 isn't a bad thing when no obvious wolf is around if you ask me. Saving a mislynch could be helpful later in the game.

And, yeah, we need a wolf today.

as for Zander.. it's more gut than anything else. He should have been louder when a townie is mislynched... especially in this stage of the game.

i find this strange Thane. you were reading me town and now cause Im not as loud is the reason your doubting me. You know Im in 3 games currently I doubt anyone could be as active as they normally are. Verb's town flip sucked yet it only makes me even more confident in Talya being a wolf.

@Zander - IF Rand flips town, and that's a big if imo, then this is something I'd definitely consider.

Would also make me suspect Verb a bit as well since he's sort of bandwagoning the theory and now backing off a bit.

Would still rather resolve Rand first before I start to tinfoil on others when he could very well be a wolf. I would hate to get off track at this point. Town could very easily be out of firepower based on how roles were randomized and scum probably have at lease one more shot in their pocket.

you know what im with you on this pending Alanna's answer to Shad's question. we need the info from these two to progress this game atp.

[v[ Rand [/v]

I like the way Shad thinks: Rand was looking bad D1, so probably shot N1 and is out of bullets. He's a harmless wolf: he can bark, but not bite. Rather kill a wolf that can still bite.

Thane is soooo town this game it scares me!!! Good job Pops!!!

But we have to remember theres a 2x Vig as well. Could Alanna's push and subsequent wolfy play be an attempt to draw off of him and on to her cause he may be the 2x Vig?

Im starting to sketch out on Zander. These two posts make me think he is looking for a reason NOT to vote Laine

Zander wasn't on Alanna. do you still feel like this Dice?

i already explained why I wasnt there Talya. But keep trying to throw dirt at me. Others are slowly starting to see what I do as well.

Among Talya and AJ, who'd be more likely to flip wolf here? Not only a question for Zander, he was quite clear

in other news: i leave for vacation on sunday, from that moment on, i will not have any internet access anymore

Zander & AJ: I was pretty sure that both were town the first half of the game. Well, up untill verb's townflip actually. I'm doubting AJ is town here now, purely on his interaction with Verb. He didn't seem too devastated that Verb was town. I also lack that kind of reaction from Zander to be honest. Zander was quite vocal early game, but i get the impression his posting gets less with the amount of players left.

I consider you clear, BFG. Leaves 4 people, with two wolves. And one could find points against all of them.

The trick is to find the right ones here.

there was no D1 lynch... town was all over the place and didn't decide on the right person to lynch. Not lynching D1 isn't a bad thing when no obvious wolf is around if you ask me. Saving a mislynch could be helpful later in the game.

And, yeah, we need a wolf today.

as for Zander.. it's more gut than anything else. He should have been louder when a townie is mislynched... especially in this stage of the game.

at this point, i'd like to put dice in town as well... i really do....

POE is Zander, AJ and Talya.

Question is: was Verb/AJ town/town or town/wolf.... i don't know for sure.

I'd be ready to vote either one of those 3.

And why are you putting Dice in as town?

for the moment? Zander, then AJ, last Talya.

as for dice, i trust your judgement (no pressure )

you've completely flip flopped on Dice and me based on a gut read of me as being wolfy for less excitement. flipped on Dice for what reason..another's read? And you state you doubt AJ is town for the SAME reason as PLUS his interaction with Verb yet your wanting to lynch me before him?

please explain this a bit for me pops cause im not sure if im missing something here or not.

BFG · July 28, 2015

Day 1 votes:

Only serious vote before this I missed was AJ's on Shad

<snip>

obviously crawling for town cred

unvote vote LAine

after your reaction i think you are mafia

for the rest its been mostly fluff tho I took note of AJs gut and Yates test.

i thought she was visible but fairly null Talya

Official Vote Count 6:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (2/7): Shad, Dice

No lynch (2/7): Yates, Talya

Shad (1/7): AJ

Not Voting (7/13):

BFG, Verb, Laya, Laine, Thane, Zander, Hally

<snip Thane on Verb/Pral>

Vote: Thane

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.

[v]Hallia[/v]

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever...

I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

[v]Thane Vakarian[/v]

Yay!

Official Vote Count 7:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (3/7) Thane,

No Lynch (1/7) Yates,

Not Voting (6/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine, laya. Zander, Tayla

<snip>

So basically town reads on Yates, Shad, and Thane

Scum reads on Alanna, Talya, AJ

For now, [ v]Alanna or Laine?[\v] not good at nicknames sorry

My vote would be on Hallia.

[v]Hallia[/v]

There have been some suggestions from Yates and Shad on no-voting today. I don't agree. Especially with town also being vigs, the game is going to be mostly blind if there are no flips. I am pretty sure if we no-lynch, neither town nor scum is going to kill anyone and it will be back to square-one tomorrow.

Damnit Hally.

I'm on page 22 catching up but you are quite obviously a wolf. Town points for anyone that knows how to read Hally telling me why - based on page 22 alone...

Le sad.

[v]Hally[/v]

meh i dont know if BFG is scum or frustrated towny,

going with my first bad impression

[v] Talya [/v]

Official Vote Count 8:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Shad (1/7): AJ

Thane (2/7) Hally, Shad

Hally (3/7) Thane, Yates, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Not Voting (4/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine, Tayla

gonna be gone today daughters having her wisdom teeth out

Okay I'll trust you.

What do you think on Rand? I think you posted how you were suspicious of his intro posts and I haven't seen him since.

A couple things from his catch-up, reading in reverse order:

* He says Laine is trying to turn Dice's joke vote against him and set him up as scum.

--This is pretty ridiculous. Your response to the joke vote was "Dice how is that helping at all? Do you have actual points to make?" and Dice is the one who started tunneling you, not vice-versa.

* He doesn't like AJ for explaining his own scum game to people.

--But AJ never did this. He just explained the atypical set-up of Middle Earth and its implications. And he was right, by the way. I ran into the exact problem AJ is describing when I tried to use Middle Earth to study him in Star Wars.

* He doesn't like AJ for doubting Darthe would go "derp, gg town" if everyone voted no lynch. He asks "Why didn't you vote? Were you trying to stall until mafia could think of something to do? Biggest scum read." Yet he likes me for researching the rules. Aren't AJ and I doing pretty much the same thing here? But I get town cred for it and he's scummy.

* He thinks Talya is "fence sitting" on page 9 because she doesn't have a strong read of Yates yet. Has he ever played with Yates before?

* Rand scum reads Laine almost immediately, on the grounds that :???: I guess he doesn't like that she's joking around with people who joke voted her? I don't get it. It's like he thinks the people who joke voted her are total strangers to her, and she's shady for returning the serve. But if I joke voted a stranger, shouldn't I be the one who looks a bit suspicious?

Thanks for asking me to look into him again Laine! Kind of reiterated what I was feeling last night and made it more glaringly obvious.

[v]Rand[/v]

Too wolf to be a wolf maybe, but it feels like he drew three town names out of a hat and just went to work trying to dig up whatever dirt he could on them with little regard for anyone else. Still feeling Thane as scum, but that's more for what he hasn't done yet. Rand's catch-up is pretty terrible.

It's getting late already, and I haven't moved from here for hours

[v]Rand[/v] as per above

[v]Rand[/v] btw.

Think there's a good chance we found a wolf here with the type of arguments he is pushing.

Feeling pretty good on some of my town reads.

Zander/Talya two of my stronger.

Shad is trending up.

I feel pretty good about BFG and reasonably okay with Yates and Laine.

Thane probably a villager too.

Pral seems okay at first glance but I'll need some time to read him better - he's tricked me in the past but thus far I liked his entry.

Dice still mostly null.

Hallia more on the scummy side of null but still has some redeeming qualities.

Rand probably scum.

Verb hasn't posted yet - so no clue.

Official Vote Count 10:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Thane (1/7) Hally

Hally (3/7) Thane, Yates, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

rand (3/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

You're cutting and splicing quotes of mine that had context before and after them, not including those. Great way to take things out of context to make them seem scummy

Unvote

Vote: Yates

I'll be sticking here.

Thane and Pral are viewing but not posting? That's never a good sign.

Deadline is in 43 minutes. VC incoming

Official Vote Count 11:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (3/7) Thane, Yates, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (3/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj

Yates (1/7): Hally

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine,

Unvote

Vote: Rand

[v]Rand[/v]

Fine. I'm out. Night all!

5minutes

vc?

Official Vote Count 13:

Verb (1/7): Rand

Laine (1/7): Dice

Hally (2/7) Thane, Pralaya

Tayla(1/7) Zander

Rand (5/7) Shad, Tayla, Aj, Hally, Yates

Not Voting (3/13):

BFG, Verb, Laine

If Dice was mafia I *think he'd have moved his vote to Hallia before leaving. Sticking to his guns here is a really good look for him (regardless of who he was voting).

Based on AJ's & Hallia's observation that Thane was viewing the topic he isn't mafia with Zander, because the 2 could have switched to Rand for a town lynch without looking awful; bonus in that Rand could have been the doc and they wouldn't look awful for the lynch.

Laine says she fell asleep, I don't think she's the sort to lurk as mafia, at least she wasn't later; which means that Zander/Laine can't be ruled out here.

Cursory analysis suggests that at least one of AJ/Talya is mafia, but since I already think that it's not a big surprise.

BFG · July 28, 2015

for the moment? Zander, then AJ, last Talya.

as for dice, i trust your judgement (no pressure )

I was afraid you'd say that :(

Why Talya last?

Dice, same back at you - I think you're town, I think Thane is town, if you think otherwise convince me.

@Thane/Dice I'd rather we focused on Zander/AJ/Talya for the moment - they're my lynch pool for today and I have a definite preference on order.

All right I can roll with that. The amount im waffling on him almost HAS to mean hes town.

Also yeah I was away on a Boys weekend for that lynch D1

you mean daughters wisdom teeth

Your lynch order?

Zander - your top 2 suspects?

I can guess one of them

obv Talya

and then AJ...though ive been reading him town ive wavered just a bit after the Verb interaction.

Curious as to your thoughts on Dice/Thane?

for the moment? Zander, then AJ, last Talya.

as for dice, i trust your judgement (no pressure )

I was afraid you'd say that :(

Why Talya last?

Dice, same back at you - I think you're town, I think Thane is town, if you think otherwise convince me.

@Thane/Dice I'd rather we focused on Zander/AJ/Talya for the moment - they're my lynch pool for today and I have a definite preference on order.

All right I can roll with that. The amount im waffling on him almost HAS to mean hes town.

Also yeah I was away on a Boys weekend for that lynch D1

you mean daughters wisdom teeth

Your lynch order?

its all blurred together lol

order would be zander then if he flipped town talya if he flipped mafia then AJ

I still need to go over AJ and Thane.

Thane,

ISO'd Thane, so will do it by ISO page...

P1

- Mainly fluff

- Says he isn't voting Alanna for her not liking beer and Choc ice cream - not worth the vote

- Agrees Vigs should holster, says something about wolves using all theirs night 1

- Mentions Pral and Verb a couple of times.

- Zander only one he trusts

- Gets muddled over BFG and Alanna.

The muddles bit is null, could happen to anyone. The only thing standing out is he actually says he's not wasting his vote on Alanna, as others have, I think it would put her to about 3 (maybe 4) votes if he had.

P2

- Dice feels snippy and agreesive

- Zero chance he (thane) flips scum

- Likes BFG's entrance

- Scum AJ hard to find

- Doesn't think he is on point as wolf

- Wary of people finding him fully town D1 (TMI), or vote him D1

- VOTES HALLY - for grasping, tunnelling whatever

- Then the AtE

now into D2

- Suggests 2 shots were hero shots, doesn't want them to say but is curious.

- Doesn't see a townie shooting Pral

- About BFG - says that she noticed he has changed the way he plays, sometimes read lists sometimes not. Avoids having the same playstyle

- Reads Town - Zander, AJ. Wants BFG to be town. Tal has him confused and Zander does make sense, have him confused. Dice and Laine and Rand as wolf (there are other reads- but town )

His vote on Hally was OMGUS, having read back the AtE didn't seem as bad as when I first read it. Juat fed up with the 20pages of reading, Rereading it I don't think this makes him town. Also the bit about making a point about him changing how he plays...

P3

- Pretty sure Rand Laine wolf

- VOTES RAND - This should happen today!

- VOTES ALANNA - 10 mins later after in response to someone

- Thinks Rand lynched the next day

- Fluff

I'm getting an impression here that Thane takes what people are saying about other people to decide where to go. In other words, using there reasoning and persuasion to follow on, rather than have ideas himself. He did vote Alanna, was 4th on her vote.

P4

-VOTES RAND

- Still not seeing Dice as town

- Shad's kill made sense, other than him being town, wolves PR hunting

- If not Rand or Verb, then look at Dice.

- When Verb asked if Rand would do what he did with the Cloudflare - Thane answers He'd try anything if it stopped him from getting lynched if wolf.

- To BFGs claim "if a wolf would claim Doc right now and I'd be doc, I wouldn't cc, so I wouldn't be targeted.

- When asked about Verb - case against him was pretty convincing, but likes his posts, on the other hand I know he could talk his way out of anything.

- Thinks is Verb flips town we need to lynch AJ

P5&6

- Him town and BFG town as uncc'd doc, Zander because he thinks he would be different as wolf.

- AJ so far doing ok

- Tal - sees what Zander is saying

- Verb 100% wolf for him

- No idea on dice

- thinks AJ/Verb Town wolf Zander and Tal

- Zander/Tal unlikely due to Zander going after her

- dice going after Laine early - perhaps distancing, now not really involved, Laine goes down and dice cleared for rest of game

- AJ/Zander - pretty sure town first half of game up until Verb's town flip

- Doubting AJ's interaction with Verb, Zander posting less.

- Zander more gut than anything

- Wants to put Dice town (trusts what BFG is saying) POE Zander/AJ/Talya for lynch ooin that order.

Does some flips here, from AJ/Zander town to his top two WTL, Flips on Dice, because he trusts BFG. If thane is wolf he could be wolf with Zander. The way he has thought him town and believed Zander on him saying I'm wolf loud enough and enough times. Then flips that round.

Thane - Can you please explain why you now think Dice is town (in your own words - not BFGs)

Why do you think that Zander isn't town anymore (apart from the POE) what makes you think he could be wolf, the same with AJ, and what are your thoughts on me too?

I have felt that he doesn't have any of his own thoughts where the alignment of people are except Dice. If Thane is wolf I think that clears Dice. Can't see wolfThane pointing out about Dice and Alanna if they were all on the same team.

A break and then AJ

[v]Zander[/v]

good afternoon BFG

vote Zander

Zander seems a good way to go, and he's in the POE of a lot of players.

If he isn't, then it's game over. And there's only one way to be sure

[v] Zander [/v]

More than happy to go here.

I still have to look over AJ. But this is my stronger read.

Are you happy for me to hammer, or we can wait to see if he comes in?

unvote

no hammer yet

I thought it was AJ who changed his read. Thane had it as Zander when I was rereading him. Or do you mean before that. Because he di have him as town until Verbs flip.

I would also like to know if he still agrees with Zander about me.

remember me saying that i was missing the town leader Laine this game and she flipped wolf? I get the same feeling for Zander, especially after the Verb flip. I can't shake the feeling, so i'll go with it.

i have about 11 hours left before i leave on vacation, so i'd like a flip *nods* i don't like to leave unfinished business

what say we knock zander off then? he DOES give info with his flip

it could also be endgame, but we should do it imo. chances are 66% to hit a wolf among those 3, and that's not bad at all

Yeah, we have to treat this as mylo

so should we lynch or not BFG?

[V]Zander

I don't really know where else to look.

Sorry if we've crushed his soul

im gonna give zander a few cause i know he is online

BFG · July 28, 2015

ok seriously you freaking give Verb all the time in the world but run me up?? think atp we should take all TIME WE CAN TO NOT LYNCH ANOTHER VILLA HERE EH!!!

This sort of activity won't help ftr. There's 4 villagers alive - show it.

Zander 368 BFG 351 Andrej 343 Shad_ 248 alannalynn 145 Thane Vakarian 131 Talya 128 Yates 113 Hallia 100 Verbal32 73 dicetosser1 59 RandA lThor 54 Darthe 52 seph 47 Pralaya 9 csarmi 1 Clovdyx 1

well i AM the top poster in this game. i also have other reason for less activity then normal which others currently playing know about but im not a fan of AtE so I haven't brought them up.

So I'm out for most of the day :/

In ISO Thane looks scummiest to me because I don't really understand why he's thinking anything. But he's done a few things early on I don't think he does as mafia. But this is without any understanding of how he thinks. I don't understand why he wouldn't vote Rand if he was online and mafia, given that the mafia QT would have likely been screaming at him.

I've read Zander's ISO in part 3 times now and he doesn't seem as scummy Day 1 as I remember. 2 things that stand out. He didn't vote Laine, he's said (and said at the time) that he was willing to, but his vote on Rand would have put him at L1, and I don't understand this, if you're waiting to vote Laine why the need to vote someone else to hammering range. For the past 2 Days he's voted his number 2 read over his number 1, extremely early on in the Day. Either we've crushed his soul or he doesn't care, or doesn't believe his gut read enough which makes the tunnel look even worse.

Minor points, I remember being surprised that he went Talya over me Day 1. There was also an odd linking post, where a town Rand lead to a mafia Talya, but a mafia Rand lead to a Town Talya. Given Laine was mafia and Rand town this became interesting.

Dice voted Laine early, has made several points I like throughout the game, but never posts enough for me to be confident this late in the gsmr, esp when everyone seems more townie than not.

AJ found most of the case against Laine Day 2, but was moving Zander out of his POE before just voting him.

Talyas been putting in #werk and is hard to see as mafia.

Thoughts?

BECAUSE NO ONE WILL FREAKING LISTEN TO ME!!! IVE STATED EVERYDAY I WOULD VOTE FOR TALYA!!!!

AJ, why Zander? On your read through you seemed to consistently find Talya and Thane looking worse?

Good point. maybe he has a thing for mislynching villas....maybe there is a term for that...wiat what is it...oh YEAH a WOLF1!!

(Afternoon) Dice :)

Fwiw I think Sanders the way to go, but the apparent consensus concerns me

it should

*Zander

Zander seems a good way to go, and he's in the POE of a lot of players.

If he isn't, then it's game over. And there's only one way to be sure

[v] Zander [/v]

pretty quick flip from town read to most likely scum Thane. pair that with your flip flop on Dice who is pretty obv town is alarming me.

More than happy to go here.

I still have to look over AJ. But this is my stronger read.

Are you happy for me to hammer, or we can wait to see if he comes in?

she will use this as her defense when I flip town!!

AJ also found some inconsistencies reading through Talya? I think at one stage she said that a Town Rand flip would look good for Verb, but then voted him early anyway?

ive mentioned this too.

Town to Scum

BFG

DICE

THANE/AJ

TALYA

[v] Talya [/v]

also willing to go with AJ here.

if anyone has any questions please ask me before you lynch a villa her first please!!!!!

I DONT SEE HOW you guys think I'm scum here. like not at all.

So I'm out for most of the day :/

In ISO Thane looks scummiest to me because I don't really understand why he's thinking anything. But he's done a few things early on I don't think he does as mafia. But this is without any understanding of how he thinks. I don't understand why he wouldn't vote Rand if he was online and mafia, given that the mafia QT would have likely been screaming at him.

I've read Zander's ISO in part 3 times now and he doesn't seem as scummy Day 1 as I remember. 2 things that stand out. He didn't vote Laine, he's said (and said at the time) that he was willing to, but his vote on Rand would have put him at L1, and I don't understand this, if you're waiting to vote Laine why the need to vote someone else to hammering range. For the past 2 Days he's voted his number 2 read over his number 1, extremely early on in the Day. Either we've crushed his soul or he doesn't care, or doesn't believe his gut read enough which makes the tunnel look even worse.

Minor points, I remember being surprised that he went Talya over me Day 1. There was also an odd linking post, where a town Rand lead to a mafia Talya, but a mafia Rand lead to a Town Talya. Given Laine was mafia and Rand town this became interesting.

Dice voted Laine early, has made several points I like throughout the game, but never posts enough for me to be confident this late in the gsmr, esp when everyone seems more townie than not.

AJ found most of the case against Laine Day 2, but was moving Zander out of his POE before just voting him.

Talyas been putting in #werk and is hard to see as mafia.

Thoughts?

BECAUSE NO ONE WILL FREAKING LISTEN TO ME!!! IVE STATED EVERYDAY I WOULD VOTE FOR TALYA!!!!

EXPLAIN your read on Talya. and DONT just say shes scum

it started with a gut read. she's playing too clean man. NO ONE thoughts shes scum yet in every game ive played with her as Town!Talya people have suss'ed her early and often.

this is VERY alarming. others are now starting to put the peices together as well. im not the best at building cases Dice as you know from Star Wars. I believe Im right here

and with the PoE this small it only makes me even more certain!!!!

i didnt like her comment about a Rand town flip makes Verb look good then voting Verb either.

i think its very likely AJ/Talya as the last 2 wolves imo.

so it all boils down to her not being sussed at all?

so it all boils down to her not being sussed at all?

its certainly a part of it man its not her normal Meta to me.

so, dice... here's a question: considering the odds, we could still vote Talya instead. After all, BFG or AJ could hammer that easily, seeing she's not fully cleared by either. Should we?

what did i tell you NOT to do?

im looking for thoughts zander. you convince me with logical arguments and you dont swing

you just yell at me and you swing

im trying to man i really am here.

what are your thoughts on the other PoE Dice?

so, dice... here's a question: considering the odds, we could still vote Talya instead. After all, BFG or AJ could hammer that easily, seeing she's not fully cleared by either. Should we?

im thinking along those lines thane

im not gonna be surprised if it is AJ

if it is im dead tonight he wont let me live to final three

BFG · July 28, 2015

let's do this then:

unvote

[v] Talya [/v]

and pray to the old gods and the new

if the wolves still have a shot, i'd ask them to shoot me tonight so you can all continue playing during my absence

vote talya

You guys are walking into Zanders hands.

A bit of history, I haven't been back playing long, took a while to get into playing these new games with new people, so that was why people couldn't read me before. Funny how this and the other game I'm playing they are doing it well. Also a little (a fair bit <3) help from Leelou in how to make me more focused. And that is his reason for thinking I'm mafia, that is bad.

I think that Zander and Thane are the two left, I still need to check over AJ, I also didn't like him switching to Zander with no reason. Would he do that to Zander if they were on the same team. I don't know. This could be a ploy. Lets see if AJ comes in and Hammers me.

Dice like Thane also now seems to be willing to just jump anywhere without doing any work. What a thought AJ and Dice as the wolves!

Need to geet lunch soon and then I will look at AJ.

All I can say at this point is I hope wolves don't have a kill left because I think we have lost.

I dont think zander fakes that emotion especially as he is all drugged up atm.

considering ive been thinking you two solve each other AND you are both in the POE im happy going this way

we will see how things turn out. One more vote for the hammer, and it shouldn't be that hard to do

if the wolves still have a shot, i'd ask them to shoot me tonight so you can all continue playing during my absence
btw, i am serious about this, i will disappear untill the 29th after today

Unvote Talya please.

Mafia Talya hammers town Zander earlier

If not why not

if not, she makes someone else do it, preferably a townie, so it remains possible for her to say she wouldn't hammer a fellow townie as a wolf. Enter final stage with 2 wolves.

[V]Talya

BFG · July 28, 2015

Anyone think it's not AJ?

i think its AJ

People around the set were getting suspicious. The police didn't have any evidence to put their support away, so the cast decided the take the matter into their own hands.

Tayla

Jim Harbough, mafia vig x1 has been lunched!

Suspect either way it's Zander GOAT :/

it takes a village!!!

At least BFG didnt get sheared!! lol

Well done Zander

Anyone think it's not AJ?

Zander?

Yesterday it was 4 2

If we'd mislynched we'd have gone into night 3 2 with mafia likely having a vig shot and town not, which means unless I got lucky town would lose. Thane, in particular looks good for being the one to swing the lynch that way.

Bussing at likely mylo would be a really weird call, particularly leading the trains that way.

4/2 with a named townie, so F5 from an angle of who was going to get voted. I knew there were two wolves in four players so I went with a snap decision and rolled with it. I think it looks worse in light that I wasn't around afterwards to continue progression more than anything else. I don't feel my vote was unreasonable given the points I made - he doesn't get credit for calling someone a wolf all game but consistently being elsewhere - AND MOST NOTABLY ON LYNCHES WITH THEM - when villagers are getting hung.

You may think Zander's activity isn't alignment indicative now - but you did before unless I'm mistaken. So I know you can understand my perspective on that point and where I was coming from.

If you look at Thane's vote as one to get town cred it makes sense, he did so similarly with Laine's lynch which I agree doesn't make a lot of sense from a wolf perspective outside of thinking he could coast on it.

Idk, wolves do weird stuff sometimes.

Either way - it's one of these two unless it's Dice and I've already touched on that. Hard bussing from his second post is a crappy way to play imo but unfortunately not everyone is gonna share my sentiments. So if it's him in the end I will be pissed.

Food for thought BFG - I noticed you say something earlier and the thought just occurred to me while I check the thread incredulously for responses.

Why doesn't wolf Talya hammer town Zander when he's L-1? You brought this up as a point in Talya's favor before she got lynched. Probably a good idea to reconsider now with her flip in mind.

4/2 with a named townie, so F5 from an angle of who was going to get voted. I knew there were two wolves in four players so I went with a snap decision and rolled with it. I think it looks worse in light that I wasn't around afterwards to continue progression more than anything else. I don't feel my vote was unreasonable given the points I made - he doesn't get credit for calling someone a wolf all game but consistently being elsewhere - AND MOST NOTABLY ON LYNCHES WITH THEM - when villagers are getting hung.

You may think Zander's activity isn't alignment indicative now - but you did before unless I'm mistaken. So I know you can understand my perspective on that point and where I was coming from.

If you look at Thane's vote as one to get town cred it makes sense, he did so similarly with Laine's lynch which I agree doesn't make a lot of sense from a wolf perspective outside of thinking he could coast on it.

Idk, wolves do weird stuff sometimes.

Either way - it's one of these two unless it's Dice and I've already touched on that. Hard bussing from his second post is a crappy way to play imo but unfortunately not everyone is gonna share my sentiments. So if it's him in the end I will be pissed.

In this post he pokes at everyone EXCEPT BFG. Mines a second go at it as well but he says that. Seems like hes trying to sow doubt wherever he can

Food for thought BFG - I noticed you say something earlier and the thought just occurred to me while I check the thread incredulously for responses.

Why doesn't wolf Talya hammer town Zander when he's L-1? You brought this up as a point in Talya's favor before she got lynched. Probably a good idea to reconsider now with her flip in mind.

The answer to this i believe is that she did it to look town. She wasnt in any danger at that time really. everything was set to lynch zander.

im gonna vote AJ

In ISO there's practically nothing that I can say 'against' AJ that doesn't need extreme conf bias.

I just feel 'better' about the rest of you. Maybe part of that is just because AJ missed yesterDay. The vote still looks bad, he seemed to be feeling worst about Talya/Zander as a couple, Talya worst as an individual but votes Zander?

If AJ's town then it would have been easy(ish) for Zander/Dice/Thane to move the vote to AJ instead of Talya, so all 3 look pretty good as a result.

Since he came back again it feels like he's flinging mud to see where we flinch first, as opposed to actually hunting for anybody.

If it's not AJ we reassess, but I don't see how we lynch anyone else first. Hopefully either Thane or Zander will be able to log in soon :)

[v]AJ[/v]

[v]AJ[/v]

GLGL

Said my piece.

Probably go Thane over Zander but it's one of those two or we all allowed Dice to skate too long on his tunneling meta and that won't happen again.

BFG · July 28, 2015

Logic says Zander because Talya not hammering him, and Thane leading the lynch away make Thane likely town.

But this game hasn't been logical at all.

BFG · July 28, 2015

So there were 2 times Zander was at L1. First Talya was around, was about 20 minutes before Dice invited. Next was a hour or so later and he was at L1 for a couple of hours before Lynch switched, Talia may not have been around, although she posts soon after the votes switch

dicetosser1 · July 28, 2015

unvote

dicetosser1 · July 28, 2015

dammit BFG stop making me rethink!

BFG · July 28, 2015

Bluntly put.

Zander

Pushes Talia Day 1, but votes latish.

Backs off Talya during Day 2 when he votes Rand over Laine

Votes Rand over Talia Day 3

Votes Verb over Talia Day 4, but starts pushing her again

Great defence Day 5 then disappears pretty much entirely

Talia doesn't hammer Day 5

Laine calls him town early and often and appeals to him to not lynch her, in a way that doesn't look m/m

Talya seems to try to ignore him part of the time (similar to Layne/Dice)

That doctor thing Day 2 doesn't sit right with me. Zander would have voted Layne if she'd claimed doc because she'd already claimed VT, yet earlier today he implied he wouldn't have voted her if she claimed doc.

dicetosser1 · July 28, 2015

nods

dicetosser1 · July 28, 2015

im at lunch so am here tho distracted

Can you do what you just did for Thane? That was simple and easy to follow.

BFG · July 28, 2015

Problem with Thane is that I have very little to say and we have 130 odd pages of game.

ATE Day 1 felt genuine

Relatively Low presence on thread, but is this that unusual?

Misleading setup speculation if mafia, doesn't seem like his thing...

Moving the lynch to Talia Day 5 makes zero sense if he's mafia.

Sorry Dice, assume Thane is mafia.

If they have a shot then Day 5 was Milo, a mislynch means we enter night with 3 town, 1 doc protect, 2 mafia and a mafia shot. Mafia only lose if town have vig shots left.

If they don't have a shot then Thane needs to survive 3 mislynxhes.

Thane was going on holiday, Mods didn't have a replacement ready and waiting because it took a week to get Sili to replace in.

Despite the rest of the game, I just don't see this being a mafia play???

BFG · July 28, 2015

Sander

His activity dropped after both mafia lynched, I'd expect him to be buzzing after Talia's lynch instead it's just meh

BFG · July 28, 2015

Dice, my reads/logic have been horrendous all game, so I don't know what to think.

I can't read Thane very well at all and need to play a proper games day with Sili to read him,

But basically.

If mafia have a shot left, they could have won Day 5 and I have to ask why Thane would throw that away, with a chance he'd end up MK

Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

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