Belichick - Mafia Eternal Night

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Sili, you asked me at one point if I'd ever lynch Dice over you...

 

Why?

I wanted to know what would happen if Zander flipped town.

 

We probably lose, but I would still try to convince you Dice was a wolf. Poe's are difficult because you got to consider your blindspots. I cleared dice. I don't think he is a wolf, and I hope I am not wrong..

 

See this is what I meant about assuming we reach F3 - why were you assuming mafia are out of shots?

 

I don't think I was assuming anything. I was 50/50 at the time I said.

 

Ok, makes sense.

 

So why are you town reading Dice?

[Sili Quirrels]

Dice = Town?

 

Evidence is as follows:

 

Laine reacts to Dice by marginilizing his argument. This makes more sense if Laine is a wolf since Dice typically garners that sort of reaction from wolves.

Dice has not pushed Zander yet. He would be much more willing to vote Zander with you BFG if he was a wolf and Zander was town.

Dice followed Thane off Zander without hesitation. And Dice unvoted Zander as well.

Unless Laine had a bullet when she died, wolves still have a bullet, and Talya did not hammer Zander.

Dice's tone is strong. I have seen Dice post like this a lot and he is always town.

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Yeah agree with all of that

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Dice, you around?

 

Does the mylo thing change your opinion any?

[Sili Quirrels]

Laine reacts to Dice by marginilizing his argument. This makes more sense if Laine is a wolf since Dice typically garners that sort of reaction from wolves.

ebwop

 

this makes more sense if Dice is town because laine wants to fight back, and town dice usually garners this reaction from wolves besides.

[dicetosser1]

im here  the mylo thing is making me nervous cause i dont know if mafia have a bullet and so im worried if we get it wrong we lose

 

 

regarding sili asking if ud lynch me. Its the sort of thing a replacement mafia might do to try sounding out his options for a mislynch

[Sili Quirrels]

talya would have won if thane was a wolf and her or him had a bullet.

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I mean the mylo the Day Talya was lynched

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How long to deadline?

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And where's Zander? :(

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16 hours 30 mins

I think that's 5.5 hours from now

[Sili Quirrels]

I don't know how to explain that any more clearly.

[dicetosser1]

its 9 am and im starting work  will do what i can as i can. Will vote at 10 30

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Dice, thoughts on Day 5 being mylo?

[dicetosser1]

i dont see how it was. maybe my understanding of the term is wrong.

 

Id put today as MYLO because if we lynch wrong  we MAY lose  as opposed to Lylo where if we lynch wrong we DO lose.

 

and the front page isnt helping cause it says trhere were 2 lynches D5. 

 

talya went D5 so at that point we had  4 town 2 mafia presumably.  we screw up 3 town 2 mafia thats mylo if no kills left   is my maths right?

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Before Talya was lynched it was 4v2. If we'd mislynched we'd have gone to 3v2, if mafia have a shot let and town had no vig shots (as looked likely) mafia win.

 

Currently we'ew at 3v1, so the same situation (Talya's lynch 'bought' us a mislynch)

 

Both were/are mylo. Neither were/are lylo

[Sili Quirrels]

Yeah. If you lynch town instead of talya that day then 3town remain and 2 mafia, and then mafia take a shot making it 2 town 2 mafia thusly winning.

 

When you lynched talya you set mafia back a mislynch so you could afford to kill aj and not lose.

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Although mylo in both cases assume mafia have a shot left

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I have maybe! an hour left

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But why should AJ know better, given you play to avoid meta reads?

 

I'm not sure if this is relevant tbh, so meh.

 

What's your opinion on Verb?

 

 

mixed at the moment. The case presented against him (linking with Rand and all) was pretty convincing, but i kinda liked his posts in reply to the accusitions. On the other hand, i know he could talk his way out of things. He's not cleared in any way to me.

 

 

Scorsese kept the film going, regardless of the rumors floating around. The tragedies, of course we're very upsetting, but he had a job to do. Hiring extra security, the movies progress went smoothly for the next week. You could even see the players, and actors getting back too their normal selves.

We may end up finishing this movie after all, he thought to himself.

 

IT is now day, you have 48 hours

 

 

At this moment calculating interest rate on loans - but you don't want to go there, because I keep getting it wrong and it's bugging me, I blame the questions.

 

Seriously, I would like to hear more on Verb, it's getting on my nerves now that he doesn't answer any questions, just goes on about how can we not see him as town etc. I'm not going you or AJ today (well you never), I'll be upset if AJ is wolf. Zander hasn't been around much, so would like to hear thoughts from him too (though I think I can make a safe bet there ).

 

Thane - Would he really miss you claiming doc if Mafia? meh!

 

Dice - Need to re-look at but on the whole I'm thinking he sounds town.

 

So that leaves Verb, he did sound towny when he first came in, but the last day wasn't so good. I would like to hear who thinks is wolf and town for that matter.

 

 [v]Verb[/v]

 

What are your thoughts for today

 

I guess break almost over :-(

 

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

 

 

Id need to see a lot from verb to NOT vote him.

 

my gut is worrying on AJ   I cant get past the why not verb first stuff i was bringing up last night

 

this is not the first time you brought this up Dice.  are there any other reasons?

 

 

 

 

I don't see (or don't want to see maybe) AJ as mafia, he was first one to pick out a lot of the issues with Laines posts even if the vote came late.

 

Zander has been consistently present but that tunnel :/

 

Thane???

 

Verb, agree he'll have to do something quite special to convince me he's town.

 

i hunt wolves and with Rands flip leads me to believe its Verb and Talya. only 2 places my vote goes today.

 

 

 

 

What happened to your read on Thane?

 

Still wavering. Thread says Laine's handling D1 means he could be a partner she needed an excuse not to vote. Gut says he's a villager.

 

 

 

^^^

 

Still going Verb today nonetheless. It'll buy more time for me to continue reading back with flips in mind - but deep down I think Thane is more likely a villager than not unless he really committed to playing better as a wolf after SW. Really think it comes down to Talya/Zander and if Verb flips wolf today we'll be (maybe) fortunate enough to have room to lynch both just in case.

 

 

 

hmm.... ok... first things first: i'm really waiting for this night phase to be over.

 

It's very unfortunate that Rand flipped town. And a vig, with an unused shot. Could have used that later on in the game.

 

Dice/laine interaction could have been effective distancing early game. But; i'll let it slide, seeing i'm the only one thinking that for the moment.

 

Suspicions are rising.... i think i've played the most townie game in ages, and still people think i might be a wolf. I strongly doubt that i'll be NK'd, just for the sake of being mislynched one of the coming days ( a scenario which i feel is already slowly being set in motion).

 

we know this:

 

Yates - Deion Sanders, Town 1x vig killed Night 1

Laya - Eli Manning, Town 1x vig killed Night 1

Hallia - Tony Romo, Town vanilla killed Night 1

Rand - Tom Brady, Town 1x vig lynched Day 3

Shad - Russell Wilson, Town vanilla killed Night 2

 

Alannalynn - Roger Goodell, Wolf 1x vig lynched Day 2

 

Leaves this:

 

Thane

BFG

Andrej

Verbal

Talya

Dice

Zander

 

Two wolves, among these players, is basically a nightmare for me. I have no strong wolf read on anybody at the moment, perhaps the nightphase will shed some light here. I'm looking forward to when it ends. 

 

Doc should always self protect in this scenario, can't afford to lose him/her.

 

Not the first time you mention DIce as a suspect can you explain.  I've not really seen it tbh.

 

You not believing BFG??!!!

 

 

 

 

could be more important next nightphase if town wants to win, so yes, i'm serious

 

Again??? i thought you may have missed it

 

it would be nice if i knew who doc was, but it could be any of you. that's my problem for the moment

 

 

ah, appearantly i missed that.... i saw something like it but discarded it somehow

 

#sundaymorningreadingissues

 

honestly, if a wolf would claim doc right now, and i'd be doc, i wouldn't cc so i wouldn't be targeted.

 

but i have a list of suspects too big and don't trust anybody

 

Why would you EVER discard a a CLAIM??!!!

 

you implying something here?

 

im not really liking these posts tbh. Please clarify for me pops!!

 

 

 

 

I try to avoid having a meta.... i hate that. I know, it would help clearing me as town if i always do the sale thing, but clearing people purely due to meta reading them.... i don't like it in general. People should play the game more, not rely on previous experiences.

 

Also, i think i have cut down my D1 fluff and do post more content than anything else for the moment. i'm trying to figure this thing out, but am having a hard time. 

 

OF you're really doc (i'm not buying it fully just yet) then the suspect pool would be smaller.

 

Where's Zander go, for instance? He used to be all over mafia games, but i can't remember recent posts?

Did Talya simply comment because she believes your claim?

Aj has me as second suspect... he should know better....

 

I'm struggling at the moment BFG, and night ending would help some

 

as I stated in thread i was out for the night to watch the UFC PPV

 

Talya's a wolf.

 

 

 

 

Okay - Sunday cleaning is finished for the most part.

 

Back to pg 20.

 

Once Verb is out of the picture I have a feeling this game comes down to Talya/Zander.

 

Fortunately for us the lack of a NK gives us ~another lynch unless the wolves have a shot left and didn't take it. Either way, we can to be wrong twice before MYLO at F5 if the wolves don't have a shot left and there are no more vigs.

 

We hit a wolf today we'll be in really good shape moving ahead with 5-1 remaining.

 

only people im willing to vote today as mentioned is verb and talya.

 

 

 

in order from town to scum

 

BFG

Dice

AJ

Thane

Verb

Talya

 

 

[v] Verb [/v]

 

Unless we lunch Talya then i'll switch

 

 

VERB IS AT L-1

 

 

 

I think Yates and i have more scum games together. I can react realtime in the thread at th moment, but i can't re-read seeing it's rush hour at work. 

 

I don't think i am on point for a wolf at all. It's what you make of it. There's 0% chance i am not town here. 

 

I kinda want to believe this :(

 

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I'm unsure what you're saying here, Hally, can you explain better? I read this post from Shad in a more positive manner for Thane, as in he's exceeding expectations after his scum game in SW, yet you're saying that Thane is being scummy from this same post.

 

Also, to Thane on the Dice/me situation: thoughts? You were there when it happened, I just want your thoughts on us from the encounter.

 

Why is Laine questioning Hallia's scum read on Thane here?

 

 

He sees that Thane has a tendency to do that for the first part.

 

I think the difference here is that Shad thinks he's posting about more topics in this game, whereas in my opinion he is already doing that very thing, with regards to continually mentioning only Verb/Pral until I called him out.

 

I see what you mean. Did he really mention Verb/Pral that many times though? I remember calling him out for it the first time and he responded (when he got me and BFG mixed up) but I don't remember seeing it sense. So idk.

 

 

Again - more defense although she has soft pushed Thane as scummy/null.

 

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Laine seems to be playing mediator here. We know Shad/Hallia were town. I don't really see the point of her arguing against points made on villagers but perhaps she was looking to make herself look better?

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[dicetosser1]

Yeah. If you lynch town instead of talya that day then 3town remain and 2 mafia, and then mafia take a shot making it 2 town 2 mafia thusly winning.

 

When you lynched talya you set mafia back a mislynch so you could afford to kill aj and not lose.

 

I read this as sili not being part of town. Added to my thinking.

 

Im following my gut.

 

vote sili

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Yeah. If you lynch town instead of talya that day then 3town remain and 2 mafia, and then mafia take a shot making it 2 town 2 mafia thusly winning.

 

When you lynched talya you set mafia back a mislynch so you could afford to kill aj and not lose.

 

I read this as sili not being part of town. Added to my thinking.

 

Im following my gut.

 

vote sili

 

See I read this as Sili not playing the game when we lynched AJ

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in order from town to scum

 

BFG

Dice

AJ

Thane

Verb

Talya

 

 

[v] Verb [/v]

 

Unless we lunch Talya then i'll switch

 

 

VERB IS AT L-1

Quoting these again.

 

Again Zander is voting his number 2 read OVER his number 1 read within 6 hours of day starting.

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@Talya: Because I have emotions. lol And I think I said something about Verbals scum game being terrible which I know was mean and untrue. At that point I was pushing a lynch on two people that I had a guilty read on but I didn't reveal as cop, so I just kept pushing until the lynch went through. I think I stated earlier that I'm also uncomfortable being unsure. In the past few games as town I've had a PR (Hider, Doc, Cop) so if feels odd relying on my own reads? Hopefully this makes a little more sense.

 

I can understand the emotions, but I would have thought you shouldn't feel guilty over cop viewing someone wolf and then them claiming your role halfway through. I think if you hadn't have viewed them I could probably more understand, it was just something I noticed that's all, and I guess we all feel differently about things.

 

 

I read of Dice's "tunnel" on Ley in the ME2 game. He took something that happened between Ley and me on the way Ley is and kept on about it, it wasn't so much as to do with a play or response as more personal. Not sure this is making sense.

 

Here it is zooming on on reactions as soon as he sees them, there is was fluff and waiting to find something he could jump on and it was more about Ley being funny about grammer. Does that make more sense. He also was jumping on a band wagon.

 

Anyway, this feels more like a towny Dice to me. Alanna's reactions to me don't feel off though.

 

I'm not so much looking at WHY he jumped on these things in the circumstances, but how and how he carried it out.

 

 

I tried to look at content too there, he jumped on Ley when everyone was already pushing a lunch on Ley and seemed to want find an excuse to vote him, and went on and on being more sarcastic over something that wasn't play, but to do with his reading and grammar etc. In this game and SW he jumped on things he has seen when they happen and looked at that those and thought they were scummy...not saying he is always right, but there is a difference in play. I think this is another we will beg to differ. I would however like to hear if it was just that reaction that made him think you were wolf or your whole game, he hasn't answered that yet.

 

@Dice, do you haveany other reads, and can you answer the question about how you see Alanna outside the response to you?

 

 

More Talya/Laine interactions. I like that she picked up on the strangeness of Laine's comment about Thane. Overall though she seems to agree to disagree on both subjects but that doesn't seem to make her uncomfortable about Laine in any way? Idk - will need to continue on to see if she posts a reads list or something and where she has Laine on it but typically if I think someone is representing something wrongly I tend to see them negatively.

 

so long post on Thane:

 

 

 

 

 

hello all..

 

i mostly agree that not all vigs should shoot N1.. that'd be a massacre and town suicide imo. Now that i'm on the good side again, let's wreck some wolves and get the lynching spree going!

 

If only i had found a susect yet.... but i will!!!

 

*hands drinks all around*

 

i'll peek in during the weekend *nods*

 

What do you mean by mostly agree. And the Second part sounds like you are trying too hard. What are your wolf reads so far (apart from your OMGUS on Hally)

 

i get the feeling that we're still missing a few players..... hopefully they will get in before DL

 

i contemplate voting Yates... he rands wolf way too often, so it'd be an excellent D1 guess imo

 

He says this about Yates ^^

 

And this is the response to Alanna

 

i'm just messing with Yates a bit. He can be valuable for town if he's town, so he's not really a D1 lynch for the moment. The past couple of pages, for me, were quite a lot D1 andnot much gameplay.

 

FTR: i don't do sports... ugh....

 

And, beer and chocolate ice cream rock! but it's not worth voting you for that Alanna let the game decide wether or not you deserve to be lynched

 

The last part to me seems quite genuine...I can see this I don't like day one and things always seem a little better after first lynch or nk!

 

yeah, i think the vigs should mainly holster. like i said, it'd be town suicide. And, i think it was yates who said that we need a smaller POE, so we're ore certain to hit wolves. With quite the amount of vigs... it'd make sense.

 

On the other hand... wolves also have vig shots, next to their regular NK? that'd be a possible massacre for town N1. On the other hand, the pool ofsuspects would be smaller.... ugh... posibillites and choices.... 

 

He brings up the nk again - he seems to believe that wolves have nks but Darthe later says they don't...again for me this feels more genuine than trying to push him not being wolf and acting ignorant about the nk.

 

SHOULD the wolves use their vig shots N1, the pool of suspects would get rather small. So, imo, they have a NK as well. It's going to be interesting how this will play out

 

Below is the second time he mentions Pral and Verb (he knows Verb is never on at weekends). The first part of the bolded he is correct, and I don't like lynching people who haven't even posted, the second part sounds good...but why put the question mark there, that should be a statement.

 

for the moment, Zander is the only one i trust here. I can always Vig him if he betrays me in another game.

 

As for Verb and Pral, they'd be 0 info lynches. Would be nice to wreck some wolves without too much town casualties this game, and we'd need to gather info to do so, right?

 

I'll be coming and going this weekend, depending on how the kids want to spend their time *nods*

 

I like below that he doesn't care if who he thinks is wolf is not to everyone's liking.

 

goodmorning all *has coffee and distributes where necessary*

 

Alanna: i tend to ping all the time, it has gotten me mislynched quite a few times. But it's how i play. If someone townreads me D1, that player is suspicious to me.

 

BFG: Happy to see you! Very nice entrance. I noticed you saw me mentioning Verb and Pral and me not wanting to lynch them. I don't, they need to play first. As far as lynching goes: the prime suspect would give most information, and personally i don't feel like there's a lot of diffirence between lynching a likely wolf and an infolynch. After all: you lynch suspects to get to a wolf, all the time.

 

Dice: wow, didn't think you would be in. and some post it is.... interesting.

 

 

Odd post - sounds like he is sitting on the fence about BDG and then wants to treat her as a suspect.

 

@ Thane - can you clarify your thoughts on BFG and why do you have those reads?

 

unlike the previous game, there's 0% chance i'll flip scum here.

 

as  for entrance, i like how you get into the game immediately BFG. No fluff there. So, i'm mixed. Either very town and on it, or wolf and doing everything to hide.

 

mind if i treat you as a suspect, BFG?

 

First bolded, say it but don't do it. Your are voting to find wolves not because someone hasn't had chance to vote yet...don't like that statement

 

Last bolded I totally agree with this, but not alignment indicative for him

 

is it wrong to say that people who haven't even played yet shouldn't be lynched? I don't think so. 

 

I'm wary of people who either fully townread me D1 or vote me D1.... people who townread me D1 have TMI, in my opinion. People who vote me go for an obvious easy mislynch D1. That's how i feel about it, anyways.

 

As for Zander, i get more of a town feeling than null on him. I honestly think that we'd notice in his gamestyle if he'd have randed wolf. And, in the case of him fooling me, i'll disown him.  

 

D1 is the hardest day of the entire game. I'm better at connecting dots after a flip than reading players on what is said D1.

 

The OMGUS vote

 

 

i'm currently trying to re-read. It takes time at work. i've said so before. Ignore that, if you want.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

you're grasping., tunneling... whatever... 

 

I'll be back in a few hours (!) when i have managed to reread while AT WORK

 

 

 

 

I want to hear a lot more from Thane.

 

Apart from her vote on you why Hallia?

 

Who do have as town reads?

 

Who do you have as your bottom reads?

 

There are points above that I have liked about things you have said, but the last couple are not so good, I'm leaning more town than wolf at present, but would like answers to the questions above please

 

 

Doing an ISO of Thane early on - seems to be sort of inconclusive with the result. BFG mentioned she earlier as looking good for Talya, not sure I would agree 100% but she [Talya] certainly isn't playing lazy at the least.

 

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Unfortunately I can, Zander. Thoughts on other players?

 

Theres not much to go on but Im feeling good On Yates.  Finding him way more into the game and he's just Yatesing.(tm pending)

 

Like AJ tone much better

 

Alanna is always mayor in my town!

 

Only one kinda pinging me in the least is Talya can't quite put my finger on it.

 

 

You keep saying this and recently as well, you tried to post something which wasn't really anything, why do I feel you are looking for a reason to vote me but can't quite find it! Why is alanna "mayor" to you, what is it she has done that makes you think she is town?

 

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This bit right here is probably pretty defining of the Zander/Talya relationship I am seeing. Here Talya questions Zander over his town read on Laine - and I can't decide whether I think it looks good or bad for her. Does she think it's fishy on Zander's part (especially in light of Laine flipping wolf) or does it show TMI?

 

It's one of the two imo. Either Zander is intentionally misclearing his wolfmate in Laine (and her doing likewise with him) or Talya knows Laine is a wolf and is questioning Zander on the bad read. Wanna see this flesh out a bit more but I feel this part is important.

 

@ Rand was gonna quote.  We agree on almost everything except Alanna, not getting lynched on my watch.  we wreck towns together and shes playing very much like the other games we've played together in.  One thing we agree on is Talya though.  i like some of the pints you made on her!

 

Also Rand roots for the 9ers so pretty much clears him...lolololol

 

 

Zander?

 

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Unrelated to the immediate above post...

 

Dice your read on Thane is switching like a yoyo at this point