Alien mafia [BASIC] - Game Over - Town won

[Sili Quirrels]

I'll read everyone's posts in isolation (ISO) tonight and create a reads list for you all. I know you've been waiting for that from me. I'll have time tonight my time, which means some time in the day for you US folks.

^here.

 

I'm not going to hammer Dae I need to have a good read on this game before I vote. Once bitten twice shy. I can't add any more to the hammer vote I did. It was one of those moments

 

If I get chance at work today I will try to reread.

 

I don't particularly like Hallia. I know someone said she is quite, but I have seen better from her as town. And only seeing two things that stood out in day 2 is not good imo.

 

Dae I'm not sure on and will have check. Darthe hasn't come in to play this game at all so this is raising suspicion for me.

Not Bob has done nothing but sheep people and has not had anything constructive to add.

 

If Dae is town them wolves are happy now because they have two townies that could go down. If he is wolf then I am the set up lynch for them to protect Dae.

 

I can't claim anything so you will only be losing a VT not a role.

 

Here Talya starts to read the game sitting at L-2, taking her time to go over every iso, not in any particular order. I didn't get the feeling she was trying to set up a third wagon, but was simply making her rounds.

 

could be as simple as ah, hallia, and dae.

 

book it.

 

AH is prolly town...the others i could see.

 

 

meh

A nice longish post coming up.

 

Alanna

• She's the one that started the push on Eld after his mistake, as we know it is now. Keeps her vote on him
• She does tend to make sweeping statements on how she thinks people play, and isn't too happy when people disagree with her. - not indictative as alignment
• I think the Eld stuff has been done to death, so moving on after that, she thinks Shad,is probably scum with Me and Heart
• Day 2 and she could go with a Shad or Me lynch. But also wants to hear from Heart
• She then says she didn't like my Hammer and that I have been condescending to her (sorry I never meant to be at all...not sure where neither)
• She is then good with Me, AH or Dae as a lynch
• Now she is not willing to vote me and is uncomfortable on the two trains.

Earlier she agreed with sili that she would be happy with either of us on a lynch and now she seems unwilling to put a vote on and is uncomfortable, surely this should be heaven for her. Makes me think she is not willing to put a hammer vote on town (which I know I am), the only other reason not to would be if one of us was a wolf with her (which has to be Dae as far as I'm concerned).

 

I'm going to do this in bits, because I'm off to a spinning class soon, so can whizz off and come back and finish later if need be.

 

I mean I guess I can interpret it two ways. She is an independent person who doesn't feel pressure, or she legitimately isn't worried for reasons like she knows wolves won't snipe her and is holding out.

 

Back from interview and already dead. Would have been nice to have a chance to defend myself but so be it. 

 

You have four votes.  You need six.

 

notable absence of encouragement or support.

 

 

Back from interview and already dead. Would have been nice to have a chance to defend myself but so be it. 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Dae (5) - Verbs, Notbob, Darthe, Sili, Shad

Talya (3) - Dae, Heart, Hallia

Darthe (1) - Sooh

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

 

Deadline - Friday noon EDT

 

LulZ.

 

I think he just took his ball and went home.

 

I think this is a genuine and honest thought on NB's part.  I'm not sure if NB is the type to spill himself on the page as a wolf, but I don't really get the impression he would be.

Sili

• Day 1 thinks Darthe and Alanna are town, which he repeats later on as well.
• He accuses Eld of giving up
• Darthe is 90% town
• Day 2 he thinks that Dae is setting up lynches (post #303)
• Prefers to vote for me, AH or Dae
• Thinks that Dae knew Eld was town
• Thinks that Shad maybe a villager

There has been flitting a lot around votes a bit. I'm having a hard time reading him. I came under fire in the Middle Earth game for thinking he was wolf. Everyone went on about he was on town meta it was obvious. Can someone tell me if this is still on his meta, I'm drawn more towards town than wolf. I like what he has had to say on Dae

re.

 

 

Vote Count

 

 

Dae (5) - Verbs, Notbob, Sili, Shad, Laine

Talya (4) - Dae, Heart, Hallia, Darthe

Darthe (1) - Sooh

 

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline - Friday noon EDT

 

I think there is a bit of a stalemate here at the moment. I would think there is at least one wolf on me (although the ones I think could be wolf there are 3). The two not voting right now are myself and Alanna. Considering both Dae and myself were high on her list of wolf leans, she doesn't want to vote either of us.

 

I have just seen sili's post. I know it will be between the two of us, I can't see anything changing the more I look at it. I want to go to bed, but need to be clear in my head. I could put my vote on a holding person, but I don't think that makes sense, I have pointed out those I think lean towards wolf.

 

I'm condemed if I do or condemed if I don't

 

I was going to wait, he said he is VT, same as me.

 

so I will take the flack

 

[v]Dae[/v]

 

*deep breathe*

 

 

votes dae after i press her.

@ sooh - sili was right, there is no way that the vote would go elsewhere, this thread is too slow to change that much, people have come and gone and it never really changed.

 

Just call me Tal-Hammer! *sighs*

 

apologizes to sooh in thread.

 

sooh seems a little annoyed.

 

maybe it doesn't look like it was a plan for wolves to bus dae and leave a final boss.

TL;DR

 

Shad - scum lean

 

Dae - null/scum lean

 

Alannalynn - town lean

 

Verb - town lean.

 

Hallia - scum lean.

 

Darthe - scum lean

 

Heart - null

 

Sili - town lean

 

Talya - null

 

Notbob - null

 

meh.

Oki.. going to go through and read everyone in ISO now. 

 

Shad - He defends Eldrick during D1. No clear TMI, but enough hinting for it to be strange. He also seems to have extensive knowledge about the game for only having read a bit of House of Cards. That's very impressive to pick up on all that from only reading one game, if that's indeed what you did. He had a semi-strange post around EOD 1 when he felt "really, really awesome right now, even though we're losing." 

 

He has a couple of posts whick I find strange. He seems to be hinting at a wolf meta, even though he says this is his first game. It just pings me to have such a clear idea about how you would behave in a situation you haven't been in. 

 

I find myself leaning mafia on him. 

 

Dae - I have a hard time seeing anything but commentary in his posts. At the beginning I liked this and that he was observant about what was going on and such. He seems to be posting a lot of content, but when you read it there's really not much there. I wish by now that he would have made a much stronger stance one way or another. Wouldn't mind lynching him today.

 

Alannalynn - I haven't seen anything that really concerns me in her posts as of yet. Leaning town here.

 

Verb - I feel good about Verb too. Nothing that really pings me. Town lean.

 

Hallia has barely made any reads or contributed to anything yet. Scum lean.

 

Darthe - His lack of game solving may not be alignment indicative. I just don't like the constant prodding without trying to look deeper to see if there are wolves there. I am still leaning mafia though, but I won't get him lynched today. 

 

[unvote]

 

Heart - She reads 2/3 of the players scummy, which is a little strange, then again, as I'm writing this I realize that I also probably have too many scum reads, so maybe she's paranoid town too. Null for now.

 

Sili - Strange to me how he was town reading Darthe all of D1, and then all of a sudden scum read him. He seems to be veering towards reading him town now, so idk. I like his pushes on people though, and it seems to me like he's trying to solve the game, so I'm giving him a town lean.

 

Talya - I agree that the hammer does make her look bad. Not quite sure that makes her mafia though, just eager town. I'll put a null read for now, because everyone else reading her scummy is making me slightly paranoid. 

 

Notbob - I have said it before and I'll say it again. I'm having issues reading him. He DOES seem to be prodding people to make reads, but there's little follow up. Make it a null for now.

 

*sidenote: you do need a new nickname because it's a nightmare to ISO you. Reading PAGES worth of the thread before finding a post of yours to cut and paste the name from doesn't really do it for me!*

 

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Well Talya.. you ninja'd me. I was just about to post. Let's cross our fingers and hope you were right!

 

The null read on talya is a bit weird. It's pretty clear Dae is the lynch of the day, but Talya is still a possibility, so why not go all out if Talya is town, but instead sooh says talya seems like eager town, giving herself an excuse to vote someone else.

I think these are the biggest posts by Sooh, where she feels like she is doing something.

 

Oki.. going to go through and read everyone in ISO now. 

 

Shad - He defends Eldrick during D1. No clear TMI, but enough hinting for it to be strange. He also seems to have extensive knowledge about the game for only having read a bit of House of Cards. That's very impressive to pick up on all that from only reading one game, if that's indeed what you did. He had a semi-strange post around EOD 1 when he felt "really, really awesome right now, even though we're losing." 

 

He has a couple of posts whick I find strange. He seems to be hinting at a wolf meta, even though he says this is his first game. It just pings me to have such a clear idea about how you would behave in a situation you haven't been in. 

 

I find myself leaning mafia on him. 

 

Dae - I have a hard time seeing anything but commentary in his posts. At the beginning I liked this and that he was observant about what was going on and such. He seems to be posting a lot of content, but when you read it there's really not much there. I wish by now that he would have made a much stronger stance one way or another. Wouldn't mind lynching him today.

 

Alannalynn - I haven't seen anything that really concerns me in her posts as of yet. Leaning town here.

 

Verb - I feel good about Verb too. Nothing that really pings me. Town lean.

 

Hallia has barely made any reads or contributed to anything yet. Scum lean.

 

Darthe - His lack of game solving may not be alignment indicative. I just don't like the constant prodding without trying to look deeper to see if there are wolves there. I am still leaning mafia though, but I won't get him lynched today. 

 

[unvote]

 

Heart - She reads 2/3 of the players scummy, which is a little strange, then again, as I'm writing this I realize that I also probably have too many scum reads, so maybe she's paranoid town too. Null for now.

 

Sili - Strange to me how he was town reading Darthe all of D1, and then all of a sudden scum read him. He seems to be veering towards reading him town now, so idk. I like his pushes on people though, and it seems to me like he's trying to solve the game, so I'm giving him a town lean.

 

Talya - I agree that the hammer does make her look bad. Not quite sure that makes her mafia though, just eager town. I'll put a null read for now, because everyone else reading her scummy is making me slightly paranoid. 

 

Notbob - I have said it before and I'll say it again. I'm having issues reading him. He DOES seem to be prodding people to make reads, but there's little follow up. Make it a null for now.

 

*sidenote: you do need a new nickname because it's a nightmare to ISO you. Reading PAGES worth of the thread before finding a post of yours to cut and paste the name from doesn't really do it for me!*

 

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Well Talya.. you ninja'd me. I was just about to post. Let's cross our fingers and hope you were right!

 

he certainly made a strong stance he went for me, so not quite sure what she means here, it feels like she is trying to put something on him, I think she was going to put her vote on him, but I had beaten her to it. I'm getting a slight wolf feel here and she was lloking to put something in here to back up her vote on Dae.

 

TL;DR

 

Shad - scum lean

 

Dae - null/scum lean

 

Alannalynn - town lean

 

Verb - town lean.

 

Hallia - scum lean.

 

Darthe - scum lean

 

Heart - null

 

Sili - town lean

 

Talya - null

 

Notbob - null

 

 

She has Darthe, Hallia and Shad as Scum, but she is happy with a Dae lynch even though she has him down as Hull/scum lean.

 

 

Dae was playing a lot before I believe, and has had a hiatus from playing. As for Shad he did mention having read up on a couple of games. I remember being accused of something similar in my first game when I was trying to do what other people were doing and using their lingo, so I am not really suspicious of that on its own. I'll go ISO him though, just to see if anything sticks out.

 

She mentions Dae has played before...was that mentioned on here? Could well have done.

 

 

Ok... Here are some of my thoughts so far. 

 

Dae seems towny to me for having some good observations on the gameplay. 

 

Alannalynn also seems towny to me for good town process and just pointing out things. 

 

 

I'm on the fence with Eldrick. I know he has rolled mafia like the majority of his games that I've played with him, but from his gameplay so far I don't know what to believe. It was a strange vote/reaction on Verb. Like you've all pointed out, it has more to do with his comments after than the actual vote during the catching up phase. 

 

Heart feels a bit like she did in Middle Earth when she was mafia. I can't really pinpoint why. It's more a feeling right now. 

 

I feel about Talya like I do with Heart, but I felt like Talya was mafia in Middle Earth and she wasn't.

 

Another one who has jumped from Towny feel to happy to lynch.

 

She has been very focused on Darthe and Shad this whole game (although only voted Darthe). Wasn't voting Day 1 nor day 2

 

talya tunnels sooh.

[Sili Quirrels]

Dangit Leelou, why isn't town green? You messed up my skittle puke 

 

1. Eldrick, Mother - vanilla town - lynched D1

2. Shad_

3. Daetirion - The Alien - goon - lynched D2

4. Yates - Space Jockey - vanilla townie - killed N1

5. Laine

6. Verb - Kane - vanilla townie - killed N2

7. Hallia

8. Darthe

9. Aiel <3

10. Sili

11. Sooh

12. Talya--claimed vanilla town

13. NotBob

 

Did anyone else make a claim I hadn't noticed yet?

 

Ok, so there are nine players left in this game. Going by the normal 1/4 rule of thumb, there are probably two more mafia. The 13th player may mean there's a 3rd party player, but we'll assume no for now. 

 

Nine players = 2 mafia, probably 2-3 power roles (doc, cop and possible vig. Can't remember how common those are in basic games) and the rest vanilla townies. 

 

 

One order of business: why Yates and Verbal?

A few options here

1) They were suspected power roles for whatever reason

2) They were on to something

3) They're good players and the mafia wanted to take them out earlier rather than later

4) Random choice and the mafia is just trying to screw with us?

 

Yates' posts primarily consisted of discussing his leg hair, questioning Laine about a few things though not actually pushing her, and generally questioning and refining things with others such as shad, Eldrick and Daet. In my opinion his play had been very strongly town (though that could just be 20/20 hindsight at this point) so that is perhaps the reason he was lynched.

 

Verbal didn’t like Shad’s beginning, was one of the later votes on Eldrick, questioned Alanna’s discomfort and questioned Darthe’s swag. He liked Sili’s call that Daet, me and Hallia were wolves. Also generally looking at people and questioning them.

 

GRRR there is something obvious here that I am missing!!!!!

 

 

Next order of business: Daet:

Daet listed Eldrick’s accusers as Alanna, Darthe, Sili and Hallia with a possibly NotBob, and says there are probably one or two mafia on that list. There probably are. If one or two of them turned up mafia, it would make him look better. He also drew more attention to Verb’s activity.

He later looked at Talya and Alanna, then said that Sili was concerning him and that Shad needs to be focused upon.

Sili and Alanna are the two consistent people from those lists, which could mean anything.

He then focused on Talya in the midst of defending himself.

....

 3) Yates being NK'd as someone who "caught my slip". Yes he questioned my post, but if you think my Mafia game is bad enough to immediately kill a primary accuser you underestimate my Mafia game! 

...

Interesting to note. May or may not be true. Yates could have still been lynched for another reason.

 

Posting this much for now then will synthesize this with my previous reads list and the developments since then.

 

Tunnels sooh.

 

Hallia why so many null in post 508? You have AH, Sooh, Darthe. I'm leaning scum on the first two, hoping for town on the latter

 

Let's see what I have... I need to go back and ISO maybe later tonight once I've slept, but quick reads

 

Alanna

Sili

Talya

 

Darthe

Hallia

 

NotBob

Shad

 

Heart

Sooh

 

laine's list. i like that sooh is at the bottom.

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Eldrick (5) - Laine, Darthe, Sili, Notbob, Verb

Darthe (2) - Eldrick, Shad

Verbie (1) - Yates

 

Not voting - Daetirion, Hallia, Aiel <3, Sooh, Talya

 

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

 

DEADLINE - NOON Tuesday EDT (roughly 25 hours from now)

 

At least two scum within the bolded group.

 

 

Something Notbob posted during the Eld lynch. Dae we already know. so he got one right

 

 

Scum like to avoid contact.   Your ability to hammer not once but twice puts you squarely in my town pile.  

 

seems like something normal not bob would say.

 

Talya, I like your anecdotes on everyone, and I have read them and think I understand what you are implying in each of them, but just to be sure I'm certain on where you lie, can you put your feelings into a leans list for me?

yes.

 

I expect nothing less than perfection..

 

A few changes

 

Sili - He has flitted around in his votes, and this made me unsure on how to read him, but since Day 2 I'm starting to warm to him. He explained his flitting votes and I can see where he is coming from. - TOWN READ

 

Darthe - I get the feeling he is a little bit bored with the game, I think he prefers much faster paced games. He does pop in some words of wisdom and I'm waiting for the wow from him.  There is that small doubt and I'm wary, but not from anything he has says, but just because I'm worried I will rely on him and he'll let me down. I'm leaning more town

 at present - SLIGHT TOWN READ

 

Ok... Here are some of my thoughts so far. 

 

Dae seems towny to me for having some good observations on the gameplay. 

 

Alannalynn also seems towny to me for good town process and just pointing out things. 

 

 

I'm on the fence with Eldrick. I know he has rolled mafia like the majority of his games that I've played with him, but from his gameplay so far I don't know what to believe. It was a strange vote/reaction on Verb. Like you've all pointed out, it has more to do with his comments after than the actual vote during the catching up phase. 

 

Heart feels a bit like she did in Middle Earth when she was mafia. I can't really pinpoint why. It's more a feeling right now. 

 

I feel about Talya like I do with Heart, but I felt like Talya was mafia in Middle Earth and she wasn't.

rese

 

Notbob - Felt he was sheeping to begin with. He jumped on Darthe's vote at the beginning of Day 2 thinking he was roled. His post recently has also had me leaning town now, rather than null - SLIGHT TOWN READ

 

Alanna -  I flip flop with Alanna every game I'm in (this is the third). what makes me feel slight wolf lean, was D2 when she had put both me and Dae as her top wolves and yet when things were heating up she didn't seem to want to vote either of us. She then voted Dae, and that then flipped her more back to town. so at present VERY SLIGHT TOWN READ

 

Heart - The discrepancy I thought I had seen in her posts made me think she was defending Dae. But as pointed out by Heart and Shad, I realised I was wrong there. I find her recent posts better to read and she has picked up her game giving more opinions than before, since a prod to. Because of this O don't have a great town read on her. She didn't vote Day 1, so she is an -  EVEN MORE A SLIGHT TOWN

 

Shad - I'm putting aside the alt stuff, it was distracting me. He seems to have been on at Darthe since Day 1. I don't always agree with his reads (more at the beginning). He was adamant that Eld was town (like Dae) doesn't automatically make him wolf as well...he didn't turn and flip his vote, which is to his favour. His play seems to have improved and I have agreed more with what he has been saying. Could he have been coached some on a QT? He is more here because I believe he is linked to Sooh and I believe she maybe wolf. - SLIGHT WOLF

 

Hallia - she hasn't been on much all game, her first real post was after day one and didn't have much to say on anything, just me and Alanna (in fact this was D2), but she likes Sooh. she votes me (didn't vote D1), she has come in with some reads.

After the lynch of Dae, she says that it doesn't clear me, but happier about Alanna, then she says it makes me a little les likely mafia and now I've moved up to Prob town. There have been no explanations on what is going on her mind about her changes.

Now NotBob is her top wolf, and when asked she says "My list changes based on responses and available information. Being flexible is important." followed by "I'm pretty sure I link the quote that makes me change my mind if its not like the very next post from said quote - which in particular are you curious about?" Not sure what she means here, me and AH have now asked for more explanations she seems to be avoiding things. - WOLF

 

Sooh - At the start she had a good feeling about Dae being town, but later her views were more like she was grasping at finding a reason, it sounded a bit reluctant. she had 3 scum in her list. Darthe Hallia and Shad. Dae was a Null/slight scum from being towny. There wasn't the build up to the change there. I wasn't really getting wolf until I reread some posts today and I found her too focused on Darthe D11 and into D2. There was no transition from Towny Dae to Null/slight scum Dae. She has also had Shad in her sights as being her other wolf and Hallia. I also got the feeling that if needed she was going to vote Dae (I know I can't prove it). I realised after that her unvote of Darthe came after the hammer. She doesn't seem to be really hunting Wolves. - WOLF

 

I believe that is everyone.

 

I could go just as easily for Hallia lynch today as well.

note that.

 

 

Last major WoT

As of back then:

 

 

Scummy:

Shad

Daet

Sooh

Talya

 

Town:

Laine

Verbal

Darthe

Sili

 

Null:

Hallia

NotBob

 

 

 

Ok, Daet was mafia and Verbal was town.

 

Verbal being town and his comments on Talya combined with how Talya responded under pressure makes me feel better about her, so I’ll lift her from the scum list for now. I’ve continued to feel good about her play.

 

Hallia mentioned not liking NotBob, and Shad he didn’t like him soon after (noticed this when working earlier, and can’t refind it now), and Laine did before too long as well. She said Laine’s lack of action on the Daet/Talya lynches makes her feel better about Laine, and while I comprehend the reason she gave that still seemed strange to me. I’m still really not sure how to feel about her. Looking at her ISO, she was confident that Eldrick was derptown, which kind of reminds me of Daet to be honest. Put pressure on Alanna because of her interactions with Yates, which is also interesting. Hallia could be a really informative lynch at this point. Said she liked my posts when Sili was putting the heat on me (Sili—is this the “buddying you mentioned in #559?), and felt better about Alanna later on, to the point that she was listed as solid town on the latest reads list. NotBob being mafia came out of nowhere. There’s just something missing about all of this, and it’s not just a number of posts.

 

Laine has continued to include me and Sooh in her Scum lists but hasn’t really developed her cases with the onslaught of posts. She also said she’d try to get more reads up later, so I’ll await that. Also want to know more of her reasoning behind NotBob and Shad. Will leave as town but I’m not feeling very certain of it.

 

Shad has continued to be very interesting in this game, and I’m trying to decide what is from his newness but seeming to know a lot, and what is from potentially scummy play. I still really don’t like how much his thinking is trying to get into the mind of the mafia so strongly… That’s part of this game but when you start doing it a ton it seems it’s like you are them. But I’m strangely feeling better about him. Lift?

 

Darthe—acting like he doesn’t care, has been carrying that on for a while. It’s definitely not helping town play, but he’s nonchalant about that. Something about how he’s posting seems off to me and has, but perhaps it’s as Verbal pointed out. Kind of want to vote him out of frustration. At best, he’s town, pressure would somehow engage him to play, then we can all unvote and get on to actual mafia. At also good, he’s mafia, and would get lynched. At bad, we’d lose a townie who really isn’t helping the game. At worst, we’d lose a power role who still wasn’t helping the game much. Darthe, please don’t make me vote you just because you’re being frustrating with your activity. I respect you far too much as a player and don’t want it to come to that.

 

Sili—his interactions with Darthe have been strange, as he’s gone around with whether Darthe is scum or not throughout the game, and it’s not really seemed to correlate with anything Darthe is or isn’t doing. Have liked his activity and that he seems to be trying to solve and I’ve liked a lot of what he’s said, but I’m also wary for a reason I can’t quite describe.

 

Sooh—still is seeming very careful, and it doesn’t seem to be the new sort of careful anymore. She has given explanations for various things when prodded, and has given a few thoughts on her own, but there is also a significant amount of her posts that just kind of jump in, commentate on why someone is reading someone else wrong, then pop back out.

 

NotBob—am liking him and agreeing with a lot of what he says. Will have to watch him closely because of that but will choose to believe him for now.

 

Scummy:

Sooh

Hallia?

Darthe?

 

Town?

Shad

Laine

Darthe

Sili

Talya

NotBob

 

 

 

So there is where my logical side is trying to lead me. Going by gut feelings alone, things look a little different:

 

Town:

NotBob

Shad

Talya

 

Townish but fear may be a lurking scum:

Darthe

Sili

Laine

 

Mafia:

Sooh

 

Can’t figure out for some reason:

Hallia

 

 

 

Take all of that as you will.

 

 

 

So, Sooh is my strongest mafia lead, though I feel like it’s whisps still at this point. There are already three votes on her. I could get behind her lynch but right now for the interests of hearing what she has to say and gleaning more information, I’m going to [v]vote Hallia[/v]

 

 

Darthe and Sili—what are your reasons behind voting me right now? Do you feel I am your strongest mafia lean or is it some other reason?

 

I can't shake the feeling this is all so AH can look to be saying more than she is.

Now in color (because I think in color)

 

 

 

Four silly (I just wrote that as “Sili” oh dear) posts by me

Post #61 Darthe “overly jokey wolf meta”

Post #100 I post again giving opinion of Eldrick situation and Alanna slightly pinged me

Post #103 Darthe said I over-explained

Post #107 Alanna was looking at me but that’s because she pinged me

Post #108 Darthe said either me or Eldrick were wolves 

Post #123 Sooh said I felt like I did in Middle Earth game (was mafia)

Post #139 Me post, quoted later because of the line about Alanna generalizing

Post #205 my next post, which looked at the N0 stuff. 

Post #223 Darthe TL;DR

Post #288 Alanna wants to hear from me

Post #292 I pop in and ask Alanna if she wants to hear about anything in particular (next few posts hold the convo)

Post #305 Sili prefers me, Talya or Daet for a lynch, Alanna agrees next post (no reasons given)

Post #359 say I’m going to reread

Post #360 Sili votes me saying that that one had been my best post

The few posts that follow are a back and forth about my real life and activity and such

Post #372 Darthe more certain I am a wolf

Next post sili calls me defensive

Next post Hallia says I don’t seem defensive

Sili: how not?

Hallia: explanatory 

More back and forth

Post #384 my first wall of text 

+a few straggle posts by me

Sili unvoted after it[/background]

Post #395 Shad = likes my post and I’m off radar for the time being

Post #405 Sili—mafia is me, Hallia and daet[/background]

Post #409—Alanna still likes me as a wolf, doesn’t say why (also likes Dae ant Sooh)

Post #412 NotBob says I’m probably town

Post #413 Verbal says he could go with the “Heart, Hallia, Daet”

Post #434 Talya’s anecdote on me—says I mainly record events without writing too many of my thoughts in (fair enough)

Post #476—just because I’m noting everything else, it is shown in Talya’s anecdote of Sooh that she liked something I said about eldrick at some point. I recall her saying that but didn’t notice it this time around and I’m on page 24/32 and am too lazy to go back for it so close to sleepy time [/background]

Post #481—Sooh said I see 2/3 of the players scummy, but maybe I’m just paranoid—two posts later I’m listed as a null

Post #498 I like talya better and will be back 

Post #499 Sili— me, Hallia and Verbal are possibly scum (Verb died two posts later)

Post #503 Shad says I’m defending Daet. I took this all as him misunderstanding my wording but it did feel rather contrived at the time too; waited to see if it continued rather than do something that was OMGUS-y

The whole conversation about Talya misunderstanding me followed…

Post #508 I’m null to Hallia

Post #521 me—skittle puke 1 plus a few thoughts 

A few questions from me followed…

Post #535 Alanna—me and Sooh are solid scum on her reads list, NotBob and Shad are orange

Post #538 NotBob says why he liked me

Post #550 Talya has me as a very very slight town read

Post #553 Sili votes me

Post #555 Dathe votes me

Post #556 Sili unvotes me

Post #559 Sili says Hallia buddied me

Post #566 Sili revotes me

Post #567 Darthe “SPEEDLYNCHING HEART"

Post #568 Sili hopes to get lucky[/background]

Post #577 Sili has me on the bottom of his list. Doesn’t actually say anything about me. 

Post #583 Alanna votes Sooh over me (just noting)

Post #584 Sili likes me better than Sooh

Post #585 my next WoT

Post #586 Alanna can go for either of us—explains why me in #589

Post #588 Darthe notes a waffle

Back and forth

Post #598 (sili said)

me, Hallia and Sooh are the only viable lynch candidates 

Post #601 Hallia votes me for voting her over Sooh

Post #603 Sili unvotes, votes Sooh (then unvotes and votes Darthe)

Post #617 Shad still needs to ISO me

Post #618” (Sliy said) Ah's posts are constructed like she wants to be understood, but I don't necessarily get the feeling she wants to catch scum so it's a problem."

Post #622 my responses to people

Post #623 shad—my paranoia sounds fake

Post #625 Darthe notes that I had called him town at first—we’ll of course totally ignore that reads can change with a change in behavior or lack thereof…

Post #626 Alanna thinks I’m pretty pro-town atm

Post #627 and #628 Shad quoting all of my posts

 

 

 

Ok, so Darthe has never liked me, I caught Alanna's attention when I didn't like her but her opinion has now changed, Sili's attention came to me somehow and he's not liked me since, Hallia sort of defended me but now doesn't like me because of my vote on her, other people are now paying attention to me because of the attention I'm getting, except for NotBob who apparently has been ok with me all along. 

 

Darthe and Hallia feel the worst to me, though I didn't like how Sili didn't exactly give me a real case on why I was being voted.

Actually, no one has really given a case on me at all... If I'm going to die, can I at least have the dignity of a case on me? 

 

~Took a little longer because coding went weird. If you see any random bits of formatting code in there,  ignore it~

 

 

I don't know.

 

Probably should be.

 

[v] sooh [/v]

yah.

[Sili Quirrels]

I'm running out of energy

 

[v]Talya[/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

[unvote]

[Sili Quirrels]

@sili - With ref to Hallia, in the Middle Earth game she was full of snark in her comments and was town, in this one she hasn't been at all. She is different in this one.

 

Thank you Darthe, I have some fireworks. I'm fairly confident of Darthe being town at this point. I can see what you are saying about sooh, she does seem to get mislynched, but they have been D1 lynches.

 

I would like to hear a lot more from Sooh and Hally. I would be just as willing to vote Hally.

 

Do we have a deadline, I'm out for the day soon and will be back about 5pm my time (it's 8:40am now)

 

hm.

There has to be at least two mafia on my train, I can't believe they wouldn't put another one me apart from Dae. Sooh wasn't on either, so another place a wolf might want to be.

 

@alanna  and sili - i had it in my head she was town. Ok that changes her meta side of for me. I still want her to explain her thoughts on why she thinks people are town. and her lack of understanding what i was after wasn't a good response. I'm going to have to read her again, now that I have that wrong.

 

Hally - can you please do a list of where you think everyone is and why. Show me you are town.

 

Everyone should do a list like this, with one sentence on why you have them there.

 

I've got to go, otherwise I'm going to miss my train.

 

maybe i'm just paranoid since bold sounds okay. nice angle to tackle if she's scum.

 

 

 

 

I'm still not biting the Eldrick chain.  It might be useful information later, but I think the inconsistencies in his subsequent posts feel more like a natural reaction to getting tossed under the bus.  He did say something contradictory in his second post--"listing everyone as town doesn't sit well for me"--and he's trying to justify both the "joke" side and the "serious" side but I really don't see a way to explain both.  If he really is wolf, shouldn't one of them stop him from digging this hole and redirect our attention on someone else?

 

 

Alanna/AJ/Laine, I wonder if you are one of those people that will just always strike me as scummy, and would have to learn to read past it. I do think it is a gross overgeneralization to say that you shouldn't post as you are catching up otherwise you are mafia. 

 

This is how I feel.  I didn't like how she's been approaching Eldrick at all. 

 

 

 Felt like day one crap votes. It was literally page two and most of what had been said so far was spam.

 

 

For instance this, justifying Yates and NotBob's "day one crap votes" while gunning down Eldrick for the same.

 

But does this approach make her wolfy, or a really aggressive town trying to light some fires and get this game rolling?  Her individual posts almost never sit well with me, but when I look at them as a collective I am totally comfortable with her.

 

I got good vibes from Daetirion and NotBob, but that doesn't mean much early on.

 

I went to bed last night with Darthe in my headlights, and I woke up to find Eldrick had voted him.  This is going to come back and haunt me if Eldrick does get lynched first and flips wolf (doubtful), but I really dislike Darthe's attitude so far.  Zero engagement, just pops in once in a while to remind us that good little townies will vote Eldrick.

Actually this whole Darthe going after one player in particular is what he did in House of Cards with me. He was town and wrong, but he did it almost exactly that way. 

 

explain.

 

Was this for me? In that case, which part would you like to have me explain? If it's the Darte tunneling players part it was meant to be a null read on him from me. I don't find him tunneling to be alignment indicative in any way.

 

Hallia's got me all befuddled and I wish she would speak up.  Does she have dirt on NotBob or not?

 

I don't like Sooh at all.  "Seconds away from placing her vote", so she was planning to hammer her "null/scum" read?  Hasn't said anything D3 except a quick defense against my push on her.

 

Darthe is just screwing around, and people who know him seem to think this is more indicative of a bored town Darthe than a real scum Darthe, but he's done absolutely nothing in-game to suggest that he is town.

 

I still haven't given Aiel <3 a really thorough ISO yet, but at least she's willing to engage the debate.  I kind of feel like she was honestly just busy irl at the start and has since actively engaged in hunting scum.

 

Hallia's got me wondering about NotBob again.  I thought I was beyond this.  It's a wildcard to throw us off until she gives a reason imo.

 

 

Hallia, Sooh, and Darthe are all scummy.  Darthe's game is kind of unsustainable if we catch one scum.  He'll be voted off sooner or later.  Unless Sooh flips scum, in which case I'll believe she was trying to set Darthe up day 2 and back off of him.

 

Sili, what exactly did you have on Aiel?

 

Did you read this post? 

 

Uhm.. oki...

 

My vote on Darthe was based on an ISO, and it was a fairly quick one because he had basically just made short posts and pushes. It didn't take very long to read, and so I voted to see if he had a reaction to it. 

 

About Dae I think you can see that I'm not leaning any particular way on him like I was with a bunch of other people, but I was reading people's cases on him and I could see their points, thus why I wouldn't mind a lynch there. 

 

I was also ninja'd by Talya with her hammer like I said in the post. I was seconds away from placing my vote, but when I was notified of a new post and saw it was a lynch I didn't. To be fair I would have probably voted Hallia or Shad. 

 

Shad has been looking very solving today though, so I'm liking recent development with him. 

 

 

Now Hallia:

 

She called out Eld being "Derptown" early.

She missed EOD1

Not a whole lot of reads or explanations of her reads at all.

Votes Heart for her vote. 

 

I can literally not find anything more to comment on in her ISO.

 

[v]Hallia[/v]

 

 

she's searching for reasons to vote hallia. i'd think it'd be easy if hallia is a wolf htough. maybe she's just frustated with hallia? =/

 

WHERE IS HALLIA BTW

I can't say I was extremely fond of that hammer either...

hm.

I'm really interested to see who they kill tonight... Nearly everyone is being looked at by somebody.

 

Also, I don't know that Hallia's hammer necessarily clears her. 

 

Will have to analyze everything come daybreak

 

Seems AH talks about spew and night kills a lot, and I don't think it's been very successful.

And then post game I would love some pointers on what exactly made me so scummy this entire game beyond my punctuation 

is she accepting her fate and post-game? I don't know.

 

earlier she did seem annoyed there was no case on her.

 

she did talk about him a lot, but did nothing

 

If darthe or sili is wolf...I will scream and scream and scream and scream....and SCREAM!! oh.. and cry afterwards

feels really natural.

 

i've unvoted talya at this point.

 

Should have known.

 

Vote Shad

 

sigh. not bob is paying increasingly less attention to this game.

*Sigh* Sili, you're wrong.

 

Lemme go eat breakfast and then I'll post thoughts on things

not sure if i think this is disingenuous. somewhere inbetween surely.

 

 

I need to go back and ISO a few people..

 

My list before I go back and reread and ISO

 

Town:

 

Talya (of course)

Darthe

Sili

Alanna/Laine (not sure which you prefer)

 

Slightly more Wolf than town

 

AH

 

Wolf (I know there is only one)

 

Shad (his link to Sooh - which I need to relook at)

Hally (her lack of reasoning, and her being defensive when questioned over it)

 

this one I did earlier, but I had a look and what Sooh and Dae said, looked at voting or lack of.

 

Those not on Dae lynch: Dae, Heart, Hally, Darthe, Sooh

 

Those not on Sooh Lynch: Notbob, Heart, Sooh, sili

 

Heart wasn't on either.

 

Sili and Nonbob were on the Dae but not sooh.

 

I need to check, but I think sili was on the Dae lynch early then took his vote off and put it on again later.

 

I can see wolves going for Dae lynching, but they would not want to lose Sooh, so those on Hally's train look more suspicious.

 

From that NotBob and Heart look worse.

 

does anyone know a way I can search for the voting tags on this thread?

 

 

For me that then pushed Heart back up into the wolf area and Notbob too. I will up date my list

 

 

I tried looking and I think it could include it, I don't think the house of Cards did. Only a cop not even a doc.

 

We do know there is a doc here, but that is it.

O.o that sounds like a really weird game. 

 

And now I'm paranoid that there isn't a doc and the mafia just didn't kill last night to throw us off... O.O

 

 

I don't see that at all, why would they do that, they wouldn't know if there was a doc or not, plus it would be a waste of a kill. Can't see it.

 

Updated list

 

Town

 

Sili

Darthe

Laine

 

Shad

Hally

 

Heart

Notbob

 

they are in no particular order in that their smaller lists

 

 

 

Yeah I know he's town, I just wanna see if he gets annoyed with me

hm.

[Sili Quirrels]

Admittedly I didn't pay much attention to Laine during my reread. doc is a risky claim for a wolf too, plus darthe peeked her.

[Sili Quirrels]

[v]AH[/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

gn.

 

I honestly don't think there was any way for me to clear AH here.

 

Anyway,

 

Not bob feels natural.

Darthe and Shad are spewed town I believe.

Talya is spewed town in a way that makes her a possible final boss. In other words, you can say it's a -ev strategy if she's a wolf, but then wifom. In Darthe and Shad's cases there is a lot of interactions that I like, and personally I think that's more clearing than simply tunneling a wolf.

I still think Hallia looks bad for explaining to me how AH doesn't look over defensive.

[Sili Quirrels]

i should mention though, talya makes a lot of natural sounding posts that make me think she's town.

 

Just a feeling.

[Leelou]

FINAL Vote Count

Heart (5) - Darthe, Laine, Shad, Talya, Sili
Notbob (1) - Hallia
Shad (1) - Notbob 

Hallia (1) - Heart
 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. 

 

Deadline - Tuesday 10 am EDT

[Leelou]

Heart was pacing back and forth, she knew this shouldn't be happening. Everyone closed in around her and she hissed. OMG she's one of them! someone exclaimed. Quick, grab her! The hair stuck up on the back of her neck as she was grabbed and dragged to be lynched. 

 

Heart, Jones - vanilla town, is dead. 

 

It is now night, you have 24 hours to turn in your actions. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Yep =/

 

gg heart, cya on the other side.

[Darthe]

Let's do this

[Sili Quirrels]

dodo

[Darthe]

Laine I think it's +EV TO SELF PROTECT AND BASICALLY LOCK in a confirmed townie to endgame should things go south

[Darthe]

dodo

Too much effort man, what's the stress for? we keep chugging and we win

[Sili Quirrels]

Laine I think it's +EV TO SELF PROTECT AND BASICALLY LOCK in a confirmed townie to endgame should things go south

Obviously you've given this cop business a lot of thought.

 

I have a questino for you.

 

You've known leelou longer than I have. Would leelou consider a cop vs a godfather (no doc that is) a balanced game?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

dodo

Too much effort man, what's the stress for? we keep chugging and we win

 

i'm saying we're like dodo birds to the last mafia T_T

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Laine I think it's +EV TO SELF PROTECT AND BASICALLY LOCK in a confirmed townie to endgame should things go south

Obviously you've given this cop business a lot of thought.

 

I have a questino for you.

 

You've known leelou longer than I have. Would leelou consider a cop vs a godfather (no doc that is) a balanced game?

 

I wouldn't but DM has its own site meta.

 

Maybe you should answer in the vaguest terms.

[Darthe]

1. That would be way off for DM

2. That would be the dumbest tinfoil to act on ever

3. Wolves couldn't know a doc didn't exist

4. In no universe does a wolf team with one member left and four days from being winning with a living cop no kill on the off chance they can fake being doc

[Sili Quirrels]

1. That would be way off for DM

2. That would be the dumbest tinfoil to act on ever

3. Wolves couldn't know a doc didn't exist

4. In no universe does a wolf team with one member left and four days from being winning with a living cop no kill on the off chance they can fake being doc

*tears to my eyes*

 

thank you derf.

[Darthe]

Maybe you should die and clear things up for him Laine.

 

Idk, wolves don't either.

 

Sili on a scale of one to America how townie are you

[Sili Quirrels]

Maybe you should die and clear things up for him Laine.

 

Idk, wolves don't either.

 

Sili on a scale of one to America how townie are you

Canada

[Sili Quirrels]

Maybe you should die and clear things up for him Laine.

 

Idk, wolves don't either.

 

Sili on a scale of one to America how townie are you

 

No I trust you. I was tired and paranoid.

[Shad_]

Meh AH was a waste of a lynch.  I really didn't want to switch my vote to her but I did to move the game along.  :\