[Advanced] Arthurian Mafia

[Yates]

Please explain how this isn't how the game works.

Instead, how about this...

 

List the living players in order of Town to scum. Show your work.

 

That's really all anyone wants to see out of you at this point.

[Darthe]

 

You don't really fit much better than anyone else but when I remove Clov and Sili and Leelou from the mix you're the only other player I think would be integral to a scum team and thus is invariate.

Can you remind me why YOU are confident enough in Sili to remove him from the mix in the first place?

 

A combination of WIM, earnestness and that I'm more suspect of you (and in some ways I tinfoil more on clov).  Essentially I think any negative rep he gets comes from the natural harm someone does to their appearance when they post too much.  

 

Does the lynch train thing not bother you?

[Thane Vakarian]

 

if anybody wants to ask somethingi'll be here for a few minutes.

You have a gun and two bullets.

 

Who do you shoot and why?

 

2 bullets?

 

first one: Eldrick: he's pushing his innocence and ignorance a bit too hard for the moment. 

 

second one: myself, so i don't have to read through pages of Sili's game scratch that, hesitating between Sili and Darthe. Sili for his approach on the game for the moment. It's all over the place and confusing the [censored] out of me. Darthe for the simple reason that, after reading through the recent gameplay, i'm no longer really convinced he actually is town. Do you really think scum would simply keep you alive to take town down, or is this of your own doing? 

[Eldrick4221]

 

Please explain how this isn't how the game works.

Instead, how about this...

 

List the living players in order of Town to scum. Show your work.

 

That's really all anyone wants to see out of you at this point.

I did that recently. Someone commented on me not making my own name blue.

[Darthe]

 

 

if anybody wants to ask somethingi'll be here for a few minutes.

You have a gun and two bullets.

 

Who do you shoot and why?

 

2 bullets?

 

first one: Eldrick: he's pushing his innocence and ignorance a bit too hard for the moment. 

 

second one: myself, so i don't have to read through pages of Sili's game scratch that, hesitating between Sili and Darthe. Sili for his approach on the game for the moment. It's all over the place and confusing the [censored] out of me. Darthe for the simple reason that, after reading through the recent gameplay, i'm no longer really convinced he actually is town. Do you really think scum would simply keep you alive to take town down, or is this of your own doing? 

 

If you think that isn't accurate then explain how the NKs make sense.

[Darthe]

 

 

Please explain how this isn't how the game works.

Instead, how about this...

 

List the living players in order of Town to scum. Show your work.

 

That's really all anyone wants to see out of you at this point.

I did that recently. Someone commented on me not making my own name blue.

 

Even in death Lily torments me.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

if anybody wants to ask somethingi'll be here for a few minutes.

 

You have a gun and two bullets.

Who do you shoot and why?

2 bullets?

 

first one: Eldrick: he's pushing his innocence and ignorance a bit too hard for the moment. 

 

second one: myself, so i don't have to read through pages of Sili's game scratch that, hesitating between Sili and Darthe. Sili for his approach on the game for the moment. It's all over the place and confusing the [censored] out of me. Darthe for the simple reason that, after reading through the recent gameplay, i'm no longer really convinced he actually is town. Do you really think scum would simply keep you alive to take town down, or is this of your own doing?

Give me a break.

[Yates]

Does the lynch train thing not bother you?

Which "lynch train thing," again?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

Please explain how this isn't how the game works.

Instead, how about this...

 

List the living players in order of Town to scum. Show your work.

 

That's really all anyone wants to see out of you at this point.

I did that recently. Someone commented on me not making my own name blue.

Even in death Lily torments me.

Ok you lost me with that one. What does she have to do with this?

[Darthe]

MUCH LIKE YOUR RESPONSES, NOTHING

[Thane Vakarian]

the NK's don't make sense... but do they have to? Could've all been a big scheme to confuse the heck out of town. I think other people would have been better targets.

 

for Sili:

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

I'm starting to remember why I stopped playing on here. I'm not cut out for it. I am going to get back into modding, though. That was fun.

[Eldrick4221]

Anywho, I'm off to bed. Should have gone hours ago. Of course I checked here before I did and suddenly there's activity.

[Darthe]

 

Final Vote Count:

Darthe (6) - Verb, Leelou, Lily, Sili, Eldrick, Nyn

Lily (5) - Barm, MrsClov, Yates, Darthe, Clov

 

Not Voting (3): Thane, Cass, dice

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Count:

 

Barm (6) - Clov, Darthe, dice, Yates, MrsClov, Eldrick

Darthe (3) - Nyn, Leelou, Barm

Eldrick (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting:  Thane

 

[Yates]

I did that recently. Someone commented on me not making my own name blue.

That was me. And a lot has happened since then.

[Darthe]

the NK's don't make sense... but do they have to? Could've all been a big scheme to confuse the heck out of town. I think other people would have been better targets.

 

for Sili:

 

 

Yeah they have to.  And yeah, they are definitely meant to confuse the hell out of everyone but they should be.

 

Why can nobody give a straight answer to this?

[Leelou]

Anywho, I'm off to bed. Should have gone hours ago. Of course I checked here before I did and suddenly there's activity.

 

This is normal time for activity. We are all at work. 

 

I'm leaving in a half hour to go volunteer, so I'll be out til this afternoon. 

[Darthe]

 

 

Final Vote Count:

Darthe (6) - Verb, Leelou, Lily, Sili, Eldrick, Nyn

Lily (5) - Barm, MrsClov, Yates, Darthe, Clov

 

Not Voting (3): Thane, Cass, dice

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vote Count:

 

Barm (6) - Clov, Darthe, dice, Yates, MrsClov, Eldrick

Darthe (3) - Nyn, Leelou, Barm

Eldrick (1) - Sili

 

Not Voting:  Thane

 

 

Now I have highlighted some things to make note of.  We have this triad in orange to make note of.  Voted together, on two confirmed townies, etc.  That is objective and factual and looks equally bad on all three.  Eldrick is excluded here because in terms of quantitative reasoning the others are a confirmed -2 where he is just a -1 and because statistically a train of 4+ people should have mafia on it, meaning the first train is relevant.  

 

This is the psuedo-science of wagonomics (or wagonometrics).  Without talking in circles it can be summed as looking odd and being a good place to focus on if we want tangible results.  

 

You could divide the game into four groups based on everything here.

 

Leelou and Sili

Darthe Yates and Clov

Eldrick

Thane

 

Keep in mind that we are ignoring mrsclov since she is pretty much irrevocably out of the lynch pool.  

 

One of the things of note when looking at this is that it is unlikely that each group has more than one wolf in it.  It could happen but in the real world it's doubtful that it ever does.  

[Sili Quirrels]

Who would u kill darthe, yates?

 

I kill nyn or cass n1. I kill clov n2.

[Sili Quirrels]

Those are the players i value most highly.

[Darthe]

Now, adding in another layer in a second post because it gets into generally unknown territory, let's consider that I happen to be town.  You may not all know it but humor me for the academics.  This changes the playing field.  Now you see

 

Leelou, Eldrick, Yates, Darthe, Clov

Sili

Thane

 

Suddenly we have a sizable lynch pool in the top five.   It's tough to say who can be removed.  Leelou perhaps.  Clov maybe, though I would have argued that he was clearly out of the picture when I thought he was a cop.  Eldrick, Yates and I is a pretty good pool objectively speaking.  Still, this only gets us so far but it's interesting to see how badly we have all done.  I doubt that examining trains will be more valuable than this until we get a scum flip.

[Darthe]

Who would u kill darthe, yates?

 

I kill nyn or cass n1. I kill clov n2.

I'd have removed Verb to wifom myself just like mafia did given my D1 position but N2 Clov or mrs Clov is obvious to me and definitely would have happened considering that I thought Clov was cop.  Nyn was a dumb NK imo.  

[Thane Vakarian]

Who was Nyn after, besides Darthe?

[Yates]

I kill nyn or cass n1. I kill clov n2.

Yes.

and

Yes - as a 2nd choice.

 

I think Nyn was the consensus Townie on Day 1. She was also driving a lot of the discussion. The only reason not to kill her is if Darthe is Town because she is creating a lot of noise and distraction. The Verb kill made no sense [and this is something I'm about to address] at the time. You can say it was to frame Darthe but the Nyn kill accomplishes the same thing with a bigger fish. I certainly saw nothing in his ISO to indicate a PR hint. [Check his ISO. It's short.]

 

Day 2 we had the vig claim from MrsClov. I kill her N2 11 times out of 10. You just can't risk that she's lying about being 1 shot. Plus, she just made herself an innocent child. That's no bueno. Also - assuming Clov is telling the truth about the Evil Priest, I think the play is to make Clove vanilla and kill MrsClov. You remove any threat a Clov PR might pose while also removing a POE/potential physical threat in MrsClov.

 

The Nyn kill on N2 is a complete whiff if Darthe is Town. Again - the chaos would have been a boon to hiding since actual scum hunting wasn't occurring in that environment. Not only did you not get rid of an IC in MrsClov, you also didn't get rid of someone soft claiming seer/protective role.

[Leelou]

Who was Nyn after, besides Darthe?

 

Eldrick.