Escape From The Carnival Of Horrors! Game Thread [Mafia Win]

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Nyn's full name is Nynaeve. Search that and you'll get results.

I did search her full name actually lol.

 

The link sends you to an ambiguous search function page that isn't thread specific.

 

I am disappointed. I event went through the trouble of looking up her name and linking you.

[Sili Quirrels]

Well, thinking about it, it doesn't feel like a real tunnel. He wasn't convinced it even mattered, and yet he was so deadset on my being full of contradictions.

 

...

 

I need more time.

[Nolder]

Town lean: Verbal, AJ, Red

Null to town: Crusher, Sili, Halli

Null-ish: Tina, dice, Leelou, Thane (conflicted)

Null to scum: Nolder, Kaylee,

Ok this seems to be Nyn's most recent read list.

 

Taking it into account with the Final VC on Dice...

 

D1.13 Vote Count Final

 

 

Dice (6): AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)

Red (1): Thane (#259)

Kaylee (1): Leelou (#407)

Sili (1): Nolder (#420)

 

Unvote (1): Dice (#180)

 

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

 

dicetosser1 has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

It looks like the only person Nyn thought might be scum who was on the Dice lynch was Kaylee.

 

I...thought there'd be more overlap here and stuff to talk about but I guess not.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Town lean: Verbal, AJ, Red

Null to town: Crusher, Sili, Halli

Null-ish: Tina, dice, Leelou, Thane (conflicted)

Null to scum: Nolder, Kaylee,

Ok this seems to be Nyn's most recent read list.

 

Taking it into account with the Final VC on Dice...

 

D1.13 Vote Count Final

 

 

Dice (6): AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)

Red (1): Thane (#259)

Kaylee (1): Leelou (#407)

Sili (1): Nolder (#420)

 

Unvote (1): Dice (#180)

 

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

 

dicetosser1 has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

It looks like the only person Nyn thought might be scum who was on the Dice lynch was Kaylee.

 

I...thought there'd be more overlap here and stuff to talk about but I guess not.

 

to be completely frank nolder, I'm expecting more from you.

[Thane Vakarian]

so, i'm basically still on page 29 and in need to catch up. Whatever happened to quiet Mafia DM weekends? *sigh*

[Nolder]

Here's my thoughts on everyone currently.

 

Verbal32 - I think he's town. He definitely had a good start and imo Verbal's scum game is to lurk and argue a lot. I would like more insight from him but I know he's been busy and now we're on the weekend. Only thing I want to note on the chance that my read is wrong is that I didn't like the fact that he voted nobody D1.

 

Sili Quirrels - I have mixed feelings about Sili. The main thing I had going with him I was wrong about but there's other stuff I don't like (ex. Hallia seems Halliaish) but most of it could probably be dismissed as him just being a weird player. Also the fact that he says he was fine with lynching Dice but never voted him still bothers me. I'm still leaning scum though but I think I'm going to back off for now since arguing with him has become distracting. If he is scum I have no doubt he'll go on to show it more and more.

 

Thane Vakarian - Still leaning scum on him. I don't recall him posting since Nyn's flip so nothing's changed here other than the fact that I want him to post more.

 

Hallia - Still sticking to what I last said. I think Hallia is meeting her scum MO which is to hit and run and lurk until called out. Also her overall postcount/activity is very low. That's par the course as some have pointed out but when she IS town her posts are usually more meaningful than what we're seeing right now imo. Also she never responded to what I asked her last time she voted for me. I see she's made a few posts though which I haven't read so maybe she did finally respond.

 

TinaHel - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null.

 

The Crusher - Crusher usually isn't like your regular go to scumhunter. He usually relies on meta and gut instincts so it's not unusual for him to just joke around. That said he knows people know this and abuses that meta as scum. I believe Verbal noted this earlier which is another reason I feel good about him. Anyway if Crusher doesn't kick into gear he's probably scum. Null.

 

Leelou - I don't really remember too much from Leelou but what I do remember wasn't anything bad. I feel like she might be relying on Verbal declaring her town finally which makes me paranoid that they're scum together and it's all an act. Wanna see a bit more interaction with other people from her. Null leaning town.

 

Kaylee - Kind of the same case as Leelou in that I don't remember too much of what she's said but what I do remember I don't like. Particularly her vote on Dice. Actually that's the only thing that's really bugging me. I need to go back and check who it was that came up with the active lurking case first. I'll note to be fair that just because someone wasn't first doesn't mean they can't see the same thing and agree. But that said I WOULD feel better if Kaylee was the first. Maybe just need to see her making more cases on people. Null leaning scum.

 

Andrej - Completely null. I keep flip flopping on Andrej. Sometimes I feel like he's following other people and just leeching off their gameplay and then he gets more involved for awhile and then he falls back into the background again. Maybe that's kind of a good thing since when you're a loud mouth like me you just argue with people for 20 pages and get nothing done. Anyway I have no damn idea what AJ's alignment is.

 

 

Red2111 - Really worried about Red as I noted when looking at her vote. In fact, following up on that I think it's safe to say she's my biggest scumread. I'd like to see her address what I've said when she gets the chance.

[Andrej]

Nolder, Thane & Leelou.

 

See you guys in the morning.

[Nolder]

 

 

Town lean: Verbal, AJ, Red

Null to town: Crusher, Sili, Halli

Null-ish: Tina, dice, Leelou, Thane (conflicted)

Null to scum: Nolder, Kaylee,

Ok this seems to be Nyn's most recent read list.

 

Taking it into account with the Final VC on Dice...

 

D1.13 Vote Count Final

 

 

Dice (6): AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)

Red (1): Thane (#259)

Kaylee (1): Leelou (#407)

Sili (1): Nolder (#420)

 

Unvote (1): Dice (#180)

 

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

 

dicetosser1 has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

It looks like the only person Nyn thought might be scum who was on the Dice lynch was Kaylee.

 

I...thought there'd be more overlap here and stuff to talk about but I guess not.

 

to be completely frank nolder, I'm expecting more from you.

 

To be completely frank, have some freaking patience. lol

 

It takes time to dig through peoples posts and then quote them and type type type type.

[Thane Vakarian]

i have some obligatory step-family visits today, but i'll try to catch up.

[Nolder]

Anyway I'm gonna watch the new episode of Black Sails, catch up on the posts I missed, and then probably vote Red.

[Sili Quirrels]

Does anyone understand what nolder means when he takes issue with 'Halliash'? Because I don't.

 

[unvote]

[v]nolder[/v]

[Sili Quirrels]

 

 

 

Town lean: Verbal, AJ, Red

Null to town: Crusher, Sili, Halli

Null-ish: Tina, dice, Leelou, Thane (conflicted)

Null to scum: Nolder, Kaylee,

Ok this seems to be Nyn's most recent read list.

 

Taking it into account with the Final VC on Dice...

 

D1.13 Vote Count Final

 

 

Dice (6): AJ (#346), Tina (#374), Kaylee (#383), Red2111 (#461), Nynaeve (#467), The Crusher (#469)

Nolder (1): Hallia (#195)

Red (1): Thane (#259)

Kaylee (1): Leelou (#407)

Sili (1): Nolder (#420)

 

Unvote (1): Dice (#180)

 

Not Voting (2): Sili Quirrels, Verbal32

 

dicetosser1 has been lynched. Write-up incoming...

It looks like the only person Nyn thought might be scum who was on the Dice lynch was Kaylee.

 

I...thought there'd be more overlap here and stuff to talk about but I guess not.

 

to be completely frank nolder, I'm expecting more from you.

 

To be completely frank, have some freaking patience. lol

 

It takes time to dig through peoples posts and then quote them and type type type type.

 

When does this occur?

 

You literally say you don't remember much from leelou. So where do you take your time to dig through peoples' posts and then quote them. Is there any evidence you did this?

 

If you have an mq, post it without making me wait 40 minutes.

[Sili Quirrels]

Here's my thoughts on everyone currently.

 

Verbal32 - I think he's town. He definitely had a good start and imo Verbal's scum game is to lurk and argue a lot. I would like more insight from him but I know he's been busy and now we're on the weekend. Only thing I want to note on the chance that my read is wrong is that I didn't like the fact that he voted nobody D1.

 

Sili Quirrels - I have mixed feelings about Sili. The main thing I had going with him I was wrong about but there's other stuff I don't like (ex. Hallia seems Halliaish) but most of it could probably be dismissed as him just being a weird player. Also the fact that he says he was fine with lynching Dice but never voted him still bothers me. I'm still leaning scum though but I think I'm going to back off for now since arguing with him has become distracting. If he is scum I have no doubt he'll go on to show it more and more.

 

Thane Vakarian - Still leaning scum on him. I don't recall him posting since Nyn's flip so nothing's changed here other than the fact that I want him to post more.

 

Hallia - Still sticking to what I last said. I think Hallia is meeting her scum MO which is to hit and run and lurk until called out. Also her overall postcount/activity is very low. That's par the course as some have pointed out but when she IS town her posts are usually more meaningful than what we're seeing right now imo. Also she never responded to what I asked her last time she voted for me. I see she's made a few posts though which I haven't read so maybe she did finally respond.

 

TinaHel - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null.

 

The Crusher - Crusher usually isn't like your regular go to scumhunter. He usually relies on meta and gut instincts so it's not unusual for him to just joke around. That said he knows people know this and abuses that meta as scum. I believe Verbal noted this earlier which is another reason I feel good about him. Anyway if Crusher doesn't kick into gear he's probably scum. Null.

 

Leelou - I don't really remember too much from Leelou but what I do remember wasn't anything bad. I feel like she might be relying on Verbal declaring her town finally which makes me paranoid that they're scum together and it's all an act. Wanna see a bit more interaction with other people from her. Null leaning town.

 

Kaylee - Kind of the same case as Leelou in that I don't remember too much of what she's said but what I do remember I don't like. Particularly her vote on Dice. Actually that's the only thing that's really bugging me. I need to go back and check who it was that came up with the active lurking case first. I'll note to be fair that just because someone wasn't first doesn't mean they can't see the same thing and agree. But that said I WOULD feel better if Kaylee was the first. Maybe just need to see her making more cases on people. Null leaning scum.

 

Andrej - Completely null. I keep flip flopping on Andrej. Sometimes I feel like he's following other people and just leeching off their gameplay and then he gets more involved for awhile and then he falls back into the background again. Maybe that's kind of a good thing since when you're a loud mouth like me you just argue with people for 20 pages and get nothing done. Anyway I have no damn idea what AJ's alignment is.

 

 

Red2111 - Really worried about Red as I noted when looking at her vote. In fact, following up on that I think it's safe to say she's my biggest scumread. I'd like to see her address what I've said when she gets the chance.

This is a lot of volume.

 

That means a lot of nothing.

 

And I am not impressed, so I am going to take you down point by point and demonstrate how lacking this list is.

 

 

 

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual AND he wasn't even around, and he came into the thread and said he had missed eod and apologized for it. You don't account for this. You do not seem to be following the thread very closely.

 

 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean. you don't comment on my recent progression, instead labeling me a weird player. i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.

 

You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

 

 

 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason. You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

 

 

 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much. And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

 

 

 

 

Tina - Re.

"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."

This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

 

 

 

 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread. You offer no hard opinion of your own.

 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

 

 

 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason. You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

 

 

 

 

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice? Everyone voted dice. Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons. It was a contagious sentiment.

 

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

 

 

 

 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

 

 

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her. Now she's your strongest suspect?

 

 

 

 

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

[Sili Quirrels]

As for your progression on me, I don't care to discuss it anymore. It's a waste of my time.

[Nolder]

Does anyone understand what nolder means when he takes issue with 'Halliash'? Because I don't.

 

[unvote]

[v]nolder[/v]

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

It's a reiteration of my point about you making strong statements about people who you've only played a few games with.

Another example would be the fact that you claim to know my scum game after I've only played a couple games with you.

I think it's scummy to make such statements about people you've only played a few games with. Meta reads are generally pretty trashy way to scumhunt in the first place because people are so inconsistent but to claim you have someone's meta down so quickly is suspicious in itself. Using it as you have, to clear and condemn people, is even worse.

[Nolder]

When does this occur?

Keep this attitude up and I'm just going to start ignoring you.

Don't bitch at me about how you're "expecting more" from me (I should care why?) as I'm in the process of typing my post and then be an asshole when I finally post it. You can make your point without being a dick.

 

You literally say you don't remember much from leelou.

I don't. So what?

 

So where do you take your time to dig through peoples' posts and then quote them. Is there any evidence you did this?

What the hell do you want? I'm not going to quote a shitton of posts.

You want citation on what I said then ask.

Again, you could do this without being a dick.

 

 

If you have an mq, post it without making me wait 40 minutes.

I don't know what a mq is. And I don't care if you wait 40 minutes or 40 hours.

I don't make my posts just for you.

[Nolder]

This is a lot of volume.

 

That means a lot of nothing.

Bitched at when I don't give reads, bitched at when I do.

 

And I am not impressed,

Oh man really? And I tried so hard to impress you.

 

so I am going to take you down point by point and demonstrate how lacking this list is.

Ok.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

Does anyone understand what nolder means when he takes issue with 'Halliash'? Because I don't.

 

[unvote]

[v]nolder[/v]

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

It's a reiteration of my point about you making strong statements about people who you've only played a few games with.

Another example would be the fact that you claim to know my scum game after I've only played a couple games with you.

I think it's scummy to make such statements about people you've only played a few games with. Meta reads are generally pretty trashy way to scumhunt in the first place because people are so inconsistent but to claim you have someone's meta down so quickly is suspicious in itself. Using it as you have, to clear and condemn people, is even worse.

 

... whoa.

 

1. I have witnessed both your scum and town games, so I'm using what I know to inform myself. But let's be clear, my read of you isn't because of meta. You're mafia because your reading comprehension, progression, apparent thought process, and insincere attempt at tunneling me (I coming around to the idea this is what happened) means you are.

2. I'm clearly joking, and not clearing hallia at all.

3. I've played with hallia 5 times. I've even wolfed with her.

[Sili Quirrels]

 

When does this occur?

Keep this attitude up and I'm just going to start ignoring you.

Don't bitch at me about how you're "expecting more" from me (I should care why?) as I'm in the process of typing my post and then be an asshole when I finally post it. You can make your point without being a dick.

 

You literally say you don't remember much from leelou.

I don't. So what?

 

So where do you take your time to dig through peoples' posts and then quote them. Is there any evidence you did this?

What the hell do you want? I'm not going to quote a shitton of posts.

You want citation on what I said then ask.

Again, you could do this without being a dick.

 

 

If you have an mq, post it without making me wait 40 minutes.

I don't know what a mq is. And I don't care if you wait 40 minutes or 40 hours.

I don't make my posts just for you.

 

It's too bad, I didn't get the sense you did any research at all. I kind of think you could have made that list 2 days ago.

[Nolder]

Just lost my god damn post

 

so mad right now

 

gotta retype everythign4rtegv rtekjvg e

[Sili Quirrels]

How about a tl;dr.

 

I need to know:

 

That you comprehend Tina and Leelou's content

Why you leave Red alone

Why is Verbal commenting on Crusher's meta a good thing

That you remember and have taken into account your meta of Hallia is not correct

[Nolder]

verbal - You don't like his no vote, but leelou said it wasn't unusual

Yeah, she did. I also noted that it's possible they're mafia together and thus statements like that are to be taken with a grain of salt at the very least.

 

AND he wasn't even around, and he came into the thread and said he had missed eod and apologized for it. You don't account for this. You do not seem to be following the thread very closely.

I had a long reply to this before which came off much nicer but the tl;dr is it's not mine (or anyone else's) fault that Verbal didn't vote. It's on him. I'm not going to harp about it because it probably was just one of those things where time got away from him and he got busy but it was still his responsibility to vote before deadline. That said I want to note again that I think he's town. These are just things I wanted to note in case I'm wrong.

 

Sili - you don't like halliash, but never bother to explain what you mean.

there's not much else to say, so i guess I like Hallia's content. I think it's because her reads feel very 'halliaish'.

 

Is it a soul read? I dunno. I just a good initial vibe and there's nothing else to say.

Don't remember this? Aren't you paying attention?

 

you don't comment on my recent progression,

What does that even mean?

 

instead labeling me a weird player.

Yep.

 

i don't even know why you think no-voting is odd when it meant nothing to you last night. That adjustment is way too convenient; like, it looks like you're latching on to a little controversy and parroting it without critical thought. News flash: Dice was at L-1. There was no way I was voting him unless there was a competing wagon to trump.

 

You don't seem to comprehend what you're saying. Do you even believe it?

This was something I had a nice long response to that got lost.

Let's start with the quote though.

 

I was thinking about waiting for D2 but something's been bugging me since yesterday and I wanna get it off my chest both before I forget and in case I die.

 

I don't like that Sili said he'd vote for Dice but never actually did. It's like he's accepting responsibility now thinking that it looks and hoping we'll forget later when we examine lynch trains. Maybe that's way off you know. He might even be scum but not doing that intentionally. It's just a thought I had and I wanted to get it out.

 

So, yeah.

 

What's everyone doing this weekend?

Meant nothing to me? That's why I posted about it right?

Parroting? Who am I parroting? Who said that before me?

 

Now this is the part that pisses me off that I lost the most but I'll try to hit the important points again.

 

This is what I'm talking about when I say you're making strong statements without really knowing people.

Do I even believe it? Maybe if you'd actually played more than a couple games with me you'd know what I believe instead of just spouting bullshit about what you think you know about me.

 

If you'd played with me enough you'd know that I don't abide people voting without a reason and not voting someone while continually casting suspicion on them. I hound those people and vote them until they give a reason or they vote the people they supposedly think are suspicious. Why? Because it nails them down. When someone votes someone else and gives no reason and later it comes up they can give any reason they want that's convenient at the time. But if you force them to give the reason they have no wiggle room. Why do you think they record everything you say in court? Why do you think they take peoples depositions? Because it nails their asses down to a set of statements and once you have them nailed down you can go over what they've said they believe and look for inconsistencies and contradictions.

 

That's why when I see you choosing not to vote Dice it sets off alarm bells. It's possible you're just thinking to yourself "the deadline is soon and we have a majority anyway so my vote doesn't matter". Maybe. Maybe. It's possible. It's also possible that you were hoping you could take responsibility for Dice's lynch in the short term but by not being on the train people would forget you had anything to do with it as the game went on. That's possible too.

 

So you're going to sit over there and say things like "this is Nolder's town game" and "this is Nolder's scum game" when you don't even really know me. Do I believe it? How the hell would you know either way? You really don't and that's what I've been getting at all game about you. You don't know but you make these strong statements about people anyway. It's either scummy or...looking for the right word here. Maybe arrogant? You think you know everything about people so quick and when you show your ignorance it REALLY shows.

 

Thane - Have him as scum, but don't show a reason.

Actually I said leaning scum. And my reasoning is the same as before because like I said I don't recall him posting yet since Nyn's death so my read on him hasn't changed.

 

You simply state he hasn't posted much like he did last game.

I never said anything about "last game". You made that up.

 

Hallia - Hallia said your meta is wrong of her, and that you should know as much.

Ok? So because she said I'm wrong I guess that must be true.

 

Sarcasm aside I believe Leelou also backed this meta read of her scum game.

 

And I don't believe villager you forgets this/doesn't mention it in a reads list of this volume.

There you go making statements about me again.

How many games have we played together? This is the third I think right? One of our games together was very brief and I was scum. You really think you know what "villager me" does or doesn't do?

 

Anyway I don't see why I would mention it. Hallia disagrees with me. Cool. Whatever. It's still my read and I'm still going to post my read when I post my list of reads.

 

And as I have pointed out, Hallia's post quality is in line with what I've seen from her other town games.

That's your opinion.

Cool.

 

I thought this was supposed to be some sort of take down about how my reads are lacking or incomplete, not how you disagree with everything I say? Those two aren't the same thing you know.

 

Tina - Re.

"Tina - Quiet but that's not unusual for her. Would like to see some more posts since I think she's the lowest poster besides Hallia. Null."

This is almost a blasphemous reduction of her content. I would vote you on this statement alone and not look back.

Explain how please.

 

The Crusher - You put him down as null, but intone he could be lurking the thread.

Not how I put it but sure. What about it?

 

You offer no hard opinion of your own.

...

 

. . .

 

I JUST GAVE my opinion.

 

Also, how does Verbal noting someone's meta without drawing any conclusions from it a sign that he's town?

It doesn't necessarily.

They could easily be teammates.

But it would mean that Verbal is playing for the long game and in either case it makes me feel more confident in my town read. Calling out people for scum behavior is generally town behavior. Scum don't usually distance so early.

 

 

Leelou - Pretty sure Leelou is at the bottom of the poe for a reason.

That reason being?

 

You reading her as town so easily despite all the talk about her is a big red flag.

Ok.

 

I still don't see how this is some take down and not just you disagreeing with everything I say.

 

Kaylee - Why don't you like her vote on dice?

It wasn't exactly her vote on Dice so much as it was the reasoning. I recall several people using the same reasoning which makes me worried she's just sheeping. I already noted that this isn't necessarily and indication of her being scum (which is why I list her as null).

 

Everyone voted dice.

No they didn't.

 

Dice was rand to be scum at that point in the thread for a plethora of reasons.

I don't know what that means.

 

It was a contagious sentiment.

Ok?

 

Also, this is another instance of you, Nolder, not knowing anything about the subject of an easy read.

I admitted in Kaylee's case I don't remember much of what she's said. I talked about what seemed relevant to me and the game which was her vote.

 

Aj - While I agree Aj is hard to read, I also recognize Aj has been pretty reasonable and on the ball, and is actually kind of clean as we approach eod2. So a 'completely' null read on him doesn't cut it at this point. You needed to put your foot down and take a stance, and you don't.

I don't have a read on him yet and I'm not going to force one just because that bothers you.

If you don't like it vote me. Oh right, you did. So...what are we doing here again? Just going over how you disagree with everything I say right?

 

Red - wut. you haven't talked about red in so long, i'd forgotten (?) you'd had a scum lean on her.

Oh, aren't you paying attention?

 

And actually she went from town read to scum read.

 

Now she's your strongest suspect?

Yep. I said my D1 list was subject to change.

 

I'm counting 2 town leans, 5 scum leans, and 3 null. The amount of scum and null at this point is bad when you consider you spend more time arguing with me and socializing with the thread than hunting scum.

Maybe I'd have more time to scumhunt if I wasn't busy dealing with the dumb shit you keep coming up with.

You know, like I was doing when I first signed on today before you side tracked me? Yeah.

 

And before you go "oh well I didn't MAKE you do anything" don't even try because you were clearly bitching at me to post more content as I was even typing it and sniping at each thing as it came. You keep talking about engaging me and now you're going to complain that I spend too much time arguing with you? GFY

[Nolder]

Now I'm going to go over the posts I missed today. Finally.

[Nolder]

*thwaps am & verb* I have u guys as town, no arguing like that >:(

 

Nol and sili gave me a headache but the entire thing is a null for me. *double thwaps nol for the tunneling comment*

 

Sili not voting dice at deadline even though he said he would moves him to the red for me. The move comes off as him wanting to avoid vote analysis pattern sloothing later on. I also dislike his early game linking himself to dice moves

 

Nyn being gone sucks.

 

Hallia is starting to ping hard with her lurktasticness

 

Only change in my reads list is to move sili from Orange to red, and hallia to orange. I can vote leelou, sili, thane or kay.

 

[V]Kay[/v]

I agree with what she's saying here but this is a good example of what I was talking about with Sili.

Someone spouting suspicions but voting someone else. 

It's scummy. Why didn't she vote Sili?

[Nolder]

Hallia's ISO over the course of 4/5 real life days. Summary: demonstrates poor read progression. Has impulsive vote on villager in opening post. Votes Nolder for a flimsy reason, and doesn't follow up on it. She doesn't appear to check in until N1, for that matter. Then blames crowd for lynching Dice, and leaves.

 

 

 

A petting zoo!??!

 

Vote: Dice

 

Can't we just agree that were all strong players?

 

 

No use talking about who we think is "strong" or "weak". All it will do is get people defensive for being picked as strong, or defensive for NOT being picked as strong.

 

Reading the first few pages, it is not easy to get initial reads. Based on Sili's opening posts, the responses by people like Nyn, AJ, and Nolder are very easily made by town or scum - therefore, I'm marking that entire discussion as null.

 

Start over.

 

Who has not checked in yet?

Mainly I'm in agreement with Verbs first part here

 

 

Wednesdays are my bowling days, I just got home.  Give me a chance to catch up will ya?

 

Only up through page 2

So, who is the best mafia player? we fos them first I think.

Try to pick 2 who you would pick.

 

I think Nyn and Hallia have the largest town/scum range overlap. I might have picked them.

I think this line of talk was wifom at best and flat out distracting at worst.

Hello

 

Feels good to be back in a Mafia game, I can feel the juices flowing already.

 

I'm with Nyn on this subject. Highly circumstantial and would vary person to person depending on how the randomization went. The part I don't like most specifically is suggesting the focus be on a certain group of players who are considered better than others while the remaining are theoretically given a pass.

Sili, what you say might have carried weight if we weren't aware of the choosing mechanic. Since we were told about it then the upside of choosing a "weaker" player is precisely this. So I still disagree with your premise. It's wifom.

I like both of these, liking Nyn and AJ so far for townies.

 

 

 

 

 

2. "I think most people pick at least reasonably competent mafia players as their partners, so commonly held weaker players should get less attention today (i.e. me and dice) since our rand chance is 1 in 13."

I think most people would pick their friends or whomever they're most comfortable with. For example I probably wouldn't pick Kaylee and I don't think she'd pick me. I don't think we've ever been on a team before and it would be kind of awkward at the least. There are a lot of ways one could approach this puzzle and you're focusing on one. I also think it's both funny and convenient that you've included yourself as someone who should get less attention today. Also ironic since you're being so outspoken and driving the conversation.

Blue bolded is something I agree with and was pointing out earlier with the angle-shooting/narrative line.

 

I didn't see that.

 

Yes, it is coming across as intended then. I like being ironic.

 

Though it is also true I can't picture myself being picked by anybody here so I dunno, but I don't think I was rand to be mafia this game.

 

 

You were just picked to be cult, so your thoughts on this matter are irrelevant. 

 

I might've lol'd

 

Right so Nyn is Town, sili would be in a tunnel except for that quick little backtrack on page 1 and AJ is looking townish.

 

Sili  a) dont link us together please.

 

b) if im a weak player explain my success rate as mafia. I get mislynched as town much more then i get lynched as mafia. But weak or strong is crap. AJ is a good player yet I once caught him because of like his second post in a game. Verbal is good but leelou picks him out pretty easily. Everybody has weaknesses. Everybody has strengths. And you can get caught even thru your strengths. Oh aND YES players DO get lynched for their strengths here.

I'm in agreement with the beginning of Dice's post, it's good to see that I'm not alone in my reads thus far.

Another thing that bothered me was the ease which Kaylee was willing to roll with the idea.

Eh....I more saw it as Kaylee trying to be active, and responding to direct questioning.

 

 

AND NO SILI, YOU SHHHHH!

 

 

Up through page 8:

 

Sili came off as grumpy with his mini-tirade on page 6, but it seems like he's calmed.

 

Ok I'm caught up. 

There's nothing to comment on really imo.

Everyone is still just going on about Sili's idea and what they think others would think and blah blah blah.

 

Moving past that, Tina kind of had a cold opening was hoping for a bit more from her.

Verbal is on top of his game today imo gonna keep eyes on him.

Andrej is moving back into my null pile. Sorry dude you just look like you're piggybacking off what other people are saying.

I'm worried about Hallia this is the type of behavior she has when scum imo. A hit and run.

Crusher and Red both had typical posts but glad to see they aren't MIA.

 

Hmm after thinking about it only two people I'm worried about right now are Thane and Dice.

Thane I just haven't seen anything notable from whatsoever and Dice got kind of defensive over the "strong/weak" thing.

Which to be fair could have been just a natural reaction to being called weak.

 

I'm going to vote Thane for now and see where that goes.

 

[v]Thane[/v]

This strikes me as odd, because as I recall you've repeatedly come after me because I do this as both alignments, and now you're picking that it's only my scum alignment?

 

Vote: Nol

 

Really?  I get home to that?

 

At least I was right v.v'

 

I've got friends over this morning, give me a bit til they leave to catch up

 

 

 

My take-away is that Hallia doesn't care about lynching scum. She isn't engaged in the game, and I consider that a big red flag.

But you attacked my read? I told you way before that she's on her scum MO. Apparently you agree...and then hours later you disagree? 

 

But nooo you don't contradict yourself at all.