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*Caught up to page 65, Post #1290**

 

RECAP OF THOUGHTS / CURRENT LEAN ON KIV (as potential SCUM).

 

Basically after a review, I can't help but feel that Kiv really could be scum. Like DPR, his posts in general are well placed in the context of the game, but they also have a great mix of what I'm interpreting as truth and then a twist of scum. Kiv has been doing a great job of 'buddying' me in early threads and providing distraction (especially from the heat on Yates and DPR) as well as adding in general fluff along the way. I still like his recap posts and am definitely learning useful things through them :biggrin:, but... they’re not really ADVANCING the game, in a sense. And it makes me wonder if this is then mostly for distraction? (Don't stop them though, Kiv, they're pretty handy for catch-ups).

 

But I've been considering that posting these recap posts would make a handy tactic from a scum view too, since it has the advantage of winning emotional thanks points from Town struggling to keep up with the flow (worked on me) and it has the advantage of being able to carefully push a bias, all with that emotional thanks on board. This strikes me as important.  

 

Also, for some reason (similar to DPR) - although I feel I've been fairly active and contributing some thoughtful stuff (perhaps this is just because my brain has been going a million miles an hour on no sleep for the last however many days?),  there’s very little mentioned in Kiv's recaps about my contributions. He comments about me showing up and disappearing, and comments on things other players have said about me (and what he says in relation to these things IS true), but, after the initial buddying tone, REAL thoughts on me and what I've been putting down are missing although they're there for other players. Seems like basic misdirection.

 

Why is this commentary missing? Is it because I’m close to being on the money, and therefore safer to avoid?

 

I'm not asking this just because I’m personally curious -I am curious, but it's more than that, it’s mostly because I’m a noob and therefore naturally a ‘wild card’ to the game. In my mind, it would make sense that an experienced player, whose game play relies a lot on recapping and offering opinions on things would have had more to say about the way a newbie played and where they had them in their reads – at least as often as they did for other members of the game, but quite possibly more.

 

Example of most recent recap, including questions to me at the top/in the buddying stage, and then (where evaluation of my input is concerned) nothing of value thereafter, is here.

 

On top of this, like DPR, Kiv seems to be avoiding interacting with people that are calling his allegiance into question. Example of post from AJ here

 

It smells like scum  :blink:

 

@KIV / EVERYONE -  Thoughts?/Rebuttals?

 

 

Some of the random things that made me suspicious. (Thoughts and questions to be answered included). Kiv, please weigh in? I think your answers to some of these are also important to the Town... 

 

 

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 9:05 PM, Kivam said:

FYI, there are a few of us basically soaking up all the oxygen right now, and I am getting very, very leery of our coasters

Coming directly after a post where you make light of random nothings and potentially go for an emotional appeal to Town by posting a pic of tissues (link)… This looked odd and has a huge possibility of Wolf to me. Because, while on the surface it is valid (I agree people, POST!), PRACTICALLY speaking, I feel like it was ultimately an attempt to change the subject. I agree with the stuff you said to Des at the end of 1101 (same link as above), but you would have said that playing either way, and that is very consistent with what I've seen of your play so far so it doesn't really worry me. The tissues were not. They sparked my curiosity. And then a convenient change of subject? It's too early for me to tackle you but ... I think I'm pinging you now too...

 

 

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 10:36 PM, Kivam said:

This is going to sound absurd but I need to reread my recaps before giving a solid answer.  My gut (which isn't so much my gut as my memory of who was defended/defending/shifted/shifting) says Sili, but it could also be Darthe or Arsis (Praya now, but since he hasn't bothered playing, it's all Arsis [in fact, if it's a close call after re-read, I may be amenable to a policy-lynch of Praya given: (a) suspicions generated by Arsis; (b) the half-remembered connections; and © the odds that if he's a townie, we wouldn't be losing anything valuable anyway]).  Other info targets would be Yates and Des, but they are lower on my list, Yates because he's probably been dealt with by too many players to provide much of a focus and Des because of the same thought process in the opposite direction; he's so all over the place that there are likely links/breadcrumbs to half the game in his posts.

Why is lynching inactive people (Praya) a better idea than going with your gut against Sili?

 

 

 

  On 11/12/2014 at 10:39 PM, Kivam said:

Crap - the problem with responding from memory and forgetting the player list.  Thane.  Thane probably slots in very high on the "info lynch" scale given the focus on him earlier and the responses to it.  Might even be the number 1 info play.  Really have to review those recaps once I get home.

The post seemed meh. Could be that I'm wondering if you and DPR are actually the number 1 play..? Don't answer that, I know it could. How did you go with your recaps - any further thoughts here?

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Vote Count D1.17:

 

Pral (5): Nyn [#691], Yates [#698], Sili [#700], Leelou [#1302], Thane [#1299]
Sili (4): Kivam [#362], Krak [#1026], Wombat [#1213], Verbarm [#1239]
DPR (1): Deslami [#1095]
Nyn (1): Pral [#416]
Yates (1): Darthe [#508]
Kivam (1): AJ [#1192]


Unvote (1): DICETHEICEMAN [#1183]

Not Voting (7): Cass, DPR, Hallia, Stelio, Rags, Tress

At the gallows: Pral
 

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@Cass: Pral usually does get to post. For a while he was highest lynch target. Now, he hasn't been in here for some time, someone else is highest lynch (was highest lynch, get leelou's vote as notification) and he seemed content not to post and let things blow over.

 

Sili at least is trying to explain himself pretty well, which gives him cred from me. Hence why i unvoted him.

 

@ Sili: i might vote all around just to spite you :tongue:

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Yey! for my posts almost catching up with my brain! Just a post to do with my current reads, and then I'll get back to ISOs and questioning/responding to specific posts (Yates, don't cry, I'm making eyes at you  :wub: )

 

 

OK.

 

 

Current Reads

 

Mostly Green

Des/Csarmi

Krak

AJ

 

Mostly Red

DPR

Kiv

Yates

 

Orange 

Wombat

Sili

 

 

Wanting/Waiting to hear more from:

Nyn

Praya

Dice

Darthe

Hallia

Leelou

Stelio

Thane

Tress

Verb

Yates

 

- - - - - - 

 

 

Have I missed anyone?

 

I'd like to hear some solid defense from/for the people I have in red and orange. Without it I'm leaning towards a vote anywhere in there.

 

If I have you in Green or Null, where exactly are you at? What else have you got for Town?

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***BACK TO REAL TIME!!! ***

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 1:24 PM, Leelou said:

Still nothing from Pral?

[v]##Pral[/v]

 

Leelou, I'd like to ask you this too... Why / is a policy lynch on inactivity rather than an actual vote based on active thread clues a better way to go?

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  On 11/13/2014 at 1:33 PM, Cass said:

***BACK TO REAL TIME!!! ***

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 1:24 PM, Leelou said:

 

Still nothing from Pral?

 

[v]##Pral[/v]

Leelou, I'd like to ask you this too... Why / is a policy lynch on inactivity rather than an actual vote based on active thread clues a better way to go?

I'm not policy lynching.

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I'm here until 3:30 today and then will be gone til after deadline.

 

[unvote] [v] Kivam [/v] 

 

I remain unimpressed by this slot.

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@KIV / EVERYONE -  Thoughts?/Rebuttals?

 

My thoughts are that scum will respond when it's natural to do so. And if the criticism is particularly on key maybe they'll plan to discredit that person and tunnel them so they have less of a voice.

 

In this case, if kivam doesn't reply to his detractors then his town credit goes down the gutter.

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  On 11/13/2014 at 1:36 PM, Darthe said:

I'm here until 3:30 today and then will be gone til after deadline.

 

[unvote] [v] Kivam [/v] 

 

I remain unimpressed by this slot.

>.>

 

No. Not counting it until I have at least 2 other vote swaps to accompany it. :flamingsword:

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  On 11/13/2014 at 12:17 PM, csarmi said:

If we're lucky, Nyn is gone by then and we can have a tête-à-tête.

I wore my dancing shoes!

 

Who are the three most interesting slots to you not named DPR?

 

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 11:52 AM, Cass said:

@ DPR - Even if you have no regard for how Des plays, it's not fair on the rest of Town to refuse to answer what he asks because you don't consider him to be an 'authority'. It's not about not getting into a flame war. For me it's about you providing us with more to read. You refusing to do that is Wolfy, IMO.

Ehh hemmm....

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 11:06 AM, Yates. said:

Cass - you're here. I'm here. Let's have a real time conversation? If you are thinking about voting me, and you are claiming it's because of the Seer Cover, and you are claiming to have read everyone's explanations, then I'd like to know if there's something else that's bothering you because THAT shouldn't be it.

 

Cheers.

  On 11/13/2014 at 12:05 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 11:52 AM, Cass said:

@EVERYONE

This ^, coupled with the fact that the idea of Kiv and DPR heading up a team of scum would probably be fantastic (gameplay wise obviously, not for Town), truly has me worried... I know second guessing the mod's devious ways is technically null, but it's (the mod's decision) also part of the human component of the game (as far as I can deduct, + when I asked, nobody told me otherwise), and therefore, I can't help but consider it in my train of thought  :dry:

Don't go there. This undercuts the credibility of your post a bit. There's like a 99.99% chance that Tommy just put all the names on a list and copy/pasted into random.org. That's how roles are typically "rolled."

 

So it's fine if you think they are scummy. Just don't think they are scummy because of mod shenanigans.

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 12:15 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 12:13 PM, csarmi said:

Cause I'm so frustrated with this work I'm doing I might wanna do some chatting.

Sorry - I have to hop in the shower and get to work.  We can chat in like an hour?

 

I'm just super bummed that Cass is calling me scum but refusing to talk to me.  Makes me a sad panda.

 

???

 

...

 

???

  On 11/13/2014 at 1:15 PM, Cass said:

*Caught up to page 65, Post #1290**

???

 

...

 

???

 

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Vote Count D1.18:

 

Pral (5): Nyn [#691], Yates [#698], Sili [#700], Leelou [#1302], Thane [#1299]
Sili (4): Kivam [#362], Krak [#1026], Wombat [#1213], Verbarm [#1239]
DPR (1): Deslami [#1095]
Nyn (1): Pral [#416]
Kivam (2): AJ [#1192], Darthe [#1311]


Unvote (1): DICETHEICEMAN [#1183]

Not Voting (7): Cass, DPR, Hallia, Stelio, Rags, Tress

At the gallows: Pral
 

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  On 11/13/2014 at 1:37 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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@KIV / EVERYONE -  Thoughts?/Rebuttals?

 

My thoughts are that scum will respond when it's natural to do so. And if the criticism is particularly on key maybe they'll plan to discredit that person and tunnel them so they have less of a voice.

 

In this case, if kivam doesn't reply to his detractors then his town credit goes down the gutter.

 

I guess the caveat is that what the scum can make look natural is just as important. If they're inexperienced, then they'll be reluctant to respond.

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  On 11/13/2014 at 1:29 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

@Cass: Pral usually does get to post. For a while he was highest lynch target. Now, he hasn't been in here for some time, someone else is highest lynch (was highest lynch, get leelou's vote as notification) and he seemed content not to post and let things blow over.

 

Sili at least is trying to explain himself pretty well, which gives him cred from me. Hence why i unvoted him.

 

@ Sili: i might vote all around just to spite you :tongue:

I wouldn't blame you. :cool:

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  On 11/13/2014 at 1:40 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 1:37 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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@KIV / EVERYONE -  Thoughts?/Rebuttals?

 

My thoughts are that scum will respond when it's natural to do so. And if the criticism is particularly on key maybe they'll plan to discredit that person and tunnel them so they have less of a voice.

 

In this case, if kivam doesn't reply to his detractors then his town credit goes down the gutter.

 

I guess the caveat is that what the scum can make look natural is just as important. If they're inexperienced, then they'll be reluctant to respond.

 

That's a blanket assumption.  I wish things were so cut and paste.

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First ##unvote. I have no idea why Arsis was voting Nyn.

 

Caught up to 30 pages, that's all. That is about as much I could manage. 

 

If you guys are going to lynch me just based on how Arsis played, I cannot do much about it. I can see why some people are finding Arsis scummy based on my read so far, but it is his standard play in any game.

 

Anyway, I am VT. Not much loss other than a town down. 

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  On 11/13/2014 at 1:40 PM, Leelou said:

Hi Yates, I'll have some conversation with you. I'm here for a few minutes.

I'm happy with you here. I don't even know what to talk with you about. I'll make you some tea.

 

These types of posts give me the feel goods:

  On 11/13/2014 at 1:44 PM, Leelou said:

Darthe, you claimed to have viewed DPR. How do you feel about Des' push on him?

Maybe this; who are three people you have your eye on? Also, when is Verb back? Have any read on him or too soon?

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Vote Count D1.19:

 

Pral (5): Nyn [#691], Yates [#698], Sili [#700], Leelou [#1302], Thane [#1299]
Sili (4): Kivam [#362], Krak [#1026], Wombat [#1213], Verbarm [#1239]
DPR (1): Deslami [#1095]
Kivam (2): AJ [#1192], Darthe [#1311]


Unvote (1): DICETHEICEMAN [#1183] Pral [#1323]

Not Voting (7): Cass, DPR, Hallia, Stelio, Rags, Tress

At the gallows: Pral

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