[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[csarmi]

  On 11/17/2014 at 2:26 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

"Pegged" is a big word. "Suspicious of being" is more like it. That being said, i think it's easier to say who i believe firmly town, and the rest can be either wolf or SK for that matter.

 

My townies: AJ, Cass, Dice, Nyn, Wombat, Desmi, myself. 

 

imo, pure on instinct, most likely SK is one of these: Darthe, Kivam, Krak, DPR or Rags. They'd manage to look townie enough as SK and get away with it.

 

Rest of the hooligans is not cleared for me and still possible wolf

 

His SK list has 3/4 scum.

[csarmi]

  On 11/17/2014 at 3:43 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 11/17/2014 at 3:21 PM, Pralaya said:

Caught up after the weekend. So, this is where I am right now. 

 

 Despot / csarmi Hydra - pretty much lock town for me. Don't agree with some of his reads but the amount of effort he has been putting is good and is typical scumhunting Des. Csarmi also hasn't stood out as scum at all. dicetosser1 - Mostly feeling town because of the "seer cover" post by yates. His votes have not been very opportunistic and in general his posts are in align,ent with the meta that I have of himNynaeve (Mentored by Clovdyx) - Although her vote on me doesn't make sense, I feel her overall gameplay has been good and reasonable. I agree with some of her other reads - especially verb/barm. Looking more like the town Nyn I know

Darthe - Felt his posts sounded genuine, especially his FoS on yates for his gameplay.Tress - Mainly a town read on her due to the fact that I mentioned in this post. 

 Krakalakachkn - I liked his post on D1 where he gives out his reads. He was one of the early vote on Sili and pretty much stuck to his read.Kivam -  I liked his recap posts but at the same time I am wary of large psots because it is easy to hide within that. But, not much stood out there so far and I feel good about him. Andrej - seems to be quite frank about what he wants to do. Like this post where he says he wants to lynch inactives. Don't see scum AJ be so straightforward

TheRagnarok - Has looked fine, especially his posts where he is questioning those who has a town read on him. Need more posts from him though 

 

Hallia - Not much from her other than catch-up posts. Null on her.DreadPirateRoberts - Have not played with him before and his posts seem to be slightly nudgy but other times focusing on solving the gameplay. Kind of not sure about him at the moment.Cass (Mentored by manbat) - Again, her long catch posts look good and takes serious work. One post stood out for me. She was one of the very few people who called out Yates as scum for the "seer cover" and that sounded strange to me. She is a new player and is mentored by monstr who knows what yates was doing. Still calling him out as scum so early sounds like distancing. But, still since her other WWWwombat - Definitely didn't like the end-game play yesterday night. His initial vote on Sili looked more like evening up the wagons and creating an alternate lynch.  But his gameplay otherwise has been slightly better and like DPR, not very sure about his alignment. 

 Thane Vakarian - Unlike Nynaeve, Thane has not provided specific reasons for finding me scum and just tunneling up on me. This doesn't look like his town play at all. Des made a good point with a similar vein here

Verbal32 / Barmacral Hydra - I like Nyn's case on Barm and even through my read I kind of felt the same reading the thread. Too many nudges to count  - like this on Sili, or on Andrej, or on me

 

 

You posted this, which i originally missed but i saw Nyn mention a bit later. I did post here that i'd vote you again if you didn't start to post better. As for the 'no specific reason', look here. I think i explained why i voted you, you just missed it (or don't agree with it). 

 

You finding me scummy gives me the impression you're reaching Pral.

Thane wins this. His progression is real. He did explain why he found Pral susp (disappearing after heat went off) and his reads and solve ard right there.

[csarmi]

Thane is town.

[csarmi]

Seriously read his ISO. Crystal clear progression. Solve. WiM with his limited time. Uncanny good readz which COULD be suspect as mafia but impossible to suspect as SK. Vanilla claim painting target.

 

I am willinf to risk the game on him being town here.

 

And yes Despo I did check. His Tress progression is good too.

[Songstress]

  On 11/26/2014 at 9:36 PM, csarmi said:

And DO call the shot. You got 3 hours. GL.

 

[i think you are SK]

 

[sorry]

Now you're just being a jerk.

[csarmi]

I am not being a jerk Tress. Look into my soul and see.

 

I am 1000% serious about you calling the shot. The one being lynched should do that. That ensures that either the SK is lynched or a townie calls it.

 

I will call it in 2.5 hours if no one else takes the mantle.

[csarmi]

  On 11/14/2014 at 2:43 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 3:30 AM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/11/2014 at 3:12 AM, Darthe said:

Yates what are your thoughts on Kiv, Wombat, Deslami and Barm?

I just told Kiv my thoughts on him - he's hard to follow. Never played with him before. He looks rusty - like Rags was in that VS game - and using old school mafia logic. Probably going to make him hard to read as not-scum.I can't tell if Wombat was being overzealous Town or Scum feeling the mood of the thread with that early push. So he's a null with an asterisk.I forgot Deslami was a hydra. I find myself agreeing with a lot of Csarmi posts - which means I either figured out how to read him or his logic is sound. Des is Des. Give me until tomorrow on this slot.Barm hasn't done anything outside of his Town range. I don't have a ton of experience with him but I actually got his logic most of the time in the 2 or so games we played together. He also seems to have decent instincts as the game progresses if Town so I'd like to keep him around. Plus I just realized he's hydra with Verb as I was making my "not willing to lynch" list. So this should be an interesting slot to read.My Day 1 not willing to lynch list looks something like:Dice [N0 - inno]AJVerb/BarmDesalamiThaneLeelouBarmMy let the NA's sort them out list is:WombatArsisHallyKrakNynSiliRagsCass, Kivim, and Stelio are all new to me. It's been a LONG time since I played with DPR. So I may be looking for help on these guys.And with that - I'm going to bed.

I was going through Yates' post and this post stood out to me. Not who has been mentioned but who has not been mentioned.He doesn't mention Darthe in the list even though he is replying to him. But, he makes it up by immediately mentioning him one post laterHowever, one name he actually missed was Tress. It could be because he intentionally left her or her name totally slipped from his mind. I think it is the latter because Tress had a low number of posts and was virtually absent from the game at that point.This makes me think I am wrong about Tress. Because if you are forgetting that she existed in the game, then she was most probably not Yates' teammate. He would have her in the mind if she was indeed his teammate and him not mentioning her at all makes me think she is actually town here.unvote

Great post.

[Songstress]

  On 11/26/2014 at 10:30 PM, csarmi said:

I am not being a jerk Tress. Look into my soul and see.

 

I am 1000% serious about you calling the shot. The one being lynched should do that. That ensures that either the SK is lynched or a townie calls it.

 

I will call it in 2.5 hours if no one else takes the mantle.

Speaking of looking into souls. ..

 

This from the guy who swore up and down that he wasn't just saying he knew I was town in the Spaceballs game because he was mafia, he was legit town reading me. I played that game just like I played this one, with the exception of my D1 PMS attack.

 

You're being a jerk because I've made it abundantly clear that I can't play vig for shit, I have no confidence in my reads this game, and I'd rather have you guys mislynch me today than be one of the final 3 and responsible for making the right decision.

 

And you're not even acting like you believe this game will end with my lynch.

[csarmi]

I might be off my game but i can't clear you.

 

Also I wanna do the safest route possible. I think game will end with your lynch. Not sure. But i don't have to be sure of that. I want to make sure we win in any eventuality or most of them. Optimization you know.

 

I only need three townies. I don't care how we win or when we win. I care that we do win.

 

I think the best way to achieve that is lynching you. Cause you are the most likely to flip SK by far and you are just reinforcing my take here actually.

 

If you should flip town either me (known town to me and lock clear as hell) should call the shot. Or you. Or best Dice.

 

If you are town... Think. And call the shot. Call it on me if you think I am SK (you should never think that here but whatever). Call it on someone else who isnt clear for you.

 

I dont think you should call it on Thane cause i am like 99% sute he is town here.

 

Despo dont think you should call on Pral cause he think HIM to be lock clear.

 

I havent finished my Pral ISO yet sokn there. Looks promising so far.

[csarmi]

In spaceballs i could clear you over a specific sequence of posts where your town-noyance was seeping through... Plus some interaction. I am like 99% sure i would have cleared you there without the TMI too.

[csarmi]

Vig shot has to be called before deadline is happening.

 

Call it.

Delegate it to someone.

Or wait for me or Dice to post it.

 

BTW... No pressure. If you are town and make a bad call its still not the end of the world.

[Songstress]

Yep, you're being a jerk.

 

Not my problem anymore in 3 hours.

[csarmi]

Well you can also vote me you know (as you supposedly are so sure i am not town here). Or even better, call the Dice on me.

 

Make up your mind.

 

Trust me or not and decide baaed on that.

 

But if Dice don't arrive before deadline to call his own shot he HAS to follow the call to maximize our winning chanves. Not gonna let any sort of tinfoil or uncertainty happen there.

[csarmi]

Okay back in an hour.

[Cass]

  On 11/26/2014 at 6:42 PM, csarmi said:

Cass: she genuinely cared about the lynches. Could she pull that act off every single day?

 

Don't think so.

 

Is this the only 'concrete' thing you're going on?? Maybe I'm overly gullible, and I know she could be the SK, but yes, I can see someone who enjoys mafia making an effort for lynches, even if they've felt unwell the rest of the game.

 

You're jumping all over the place with your spew quotes and your case on Tress is going backwards and forwards. I can't even tell if you really want her lynched or if you're just reaching for excuses, then dragging other people in to fill the gaps and screaming they're Town just to get them on your side.

 

You know her and her previous games better than I. I would have expected your case would be more solid if you legit thought she was SK.

[csarmi]

Des i am not sold on Pral being town. Saw some good signs but i wouldn't lock clear him.

 

I think we should lynch Tress and I think she will flip SK.

 

I also think we should call the shot on Cass. I really hope Dice doesn't stay AWOL.

[Cass]

Dice hasn't been online in just over 48 hours, according to both Skype and DM.

 

I have no idea if this is his usual strategy. Unless he was lying to me in chat (tinfoiling much??) he was struggling with a sore throat and his daughter had been unwell 

[csarmi]

He doesnt tend to skip that much and we know his role.

 

But he needs to get online. Whats the time for him?

[Cass]

It's currently 11:38 am there

[csarmi]

He has until 22:50 today to post his NA. In his time.

[Cass]

Ok.

 

Personally, I would prefer we lynch Deslarmi and Vig somebody else.

 

If I'm wrong I'd really rather just get it over with so I can readjust. 

 

 

@ Csarmi - At the last EoD you were all like 'eh, should read the thread..' but nowhere near this motivated. You've also been nowhere near this pushy all game. 

 

Your play style seems to have dramatically changed now we're down to 5:1 - and EVERYBODY else is THE SAME.

 

 

Dice, Thane, Tress, Pral have you seen these guys act like this at EoD as Town? What do you make of their arguments/efforts at this EoD? What makes them clear of being the SK and acting like they're Town??

 

 

Thane - Where are yoou? Do you still think Tress is SK? Why?

 

Tress - If you disagree with Csarmi/Des, why haven't you cast your vote?

           Please just go with your gut? It's all any of us can do.

 

Pral -  Like I said, I didn't follow your reasons for voting Dice... can you please recast your vote?

 

Dice - Ima gonna lovehate you forever for getting me into this. Help! 

[csarmi]

******************************** Dice, READ THIS! ************************************
We know you are the odd night Vig because everyone else claimed vanilla. I'm not sure whether you will be arriving before the deadline.

If you do arrive before deadline, call your shot and do it.

If you don't arrive before deadline and the game is not over, SHOOT Cass. It is imperative that you follow the call.

 

If someone else arrives before deadline and overrides this instruction, follow their call instead, in case they have put it down completely clearly.

 

 

 
Full reasoning here.
 

---

I'm not sure how much time you have for posting or sending your action.
 
In short: You will have to shoot tonight. We will have to know who you're shooting because if we do and your target survives the kill, they are proven to be SK. Either you call your target before deadline or we will call it for you.
 
I'll set my alarm and get back at T-1 (one hour before deadline) and call your target if you haven't called it by then. By not calling it yourself before that time (or after that any time during this day) you are agreeing to do that shot.
 
In long:
 
1) We have discussed today what the best course of action is and figured out that the vig has to be cleared (claimed) now so that the SK cannot fake claim tomorrow. Hence we outed you by having everyone else claim.
 
2) We have discussed what's the best course of action is and it is 100% clear that it makes no sense for you to holster. Reason: if we mislynch, with the SK kill it's gonna be 3-1 and MyLo next day. Which is no better than 2-1 (in case you misfire).
 
3) We have discussed what's the best way to go around your shot. As you are the clear night kill target for the SK, the only way that we learn who you targeted is by you claiming it beforehand (or someone else doing it for you) then following through with it. It is CRUCIAL for us to know who you target because the SK is likely to have a Bulletproof Vest and if they survive your shot they are outed (if they have GF and don't survive your shot, they are outed too).
 

Townies - please post that you read and understood this, that you agree with this course of action (so that Dice knows it's coming from a good source for 100% as there is only one SK) and that you agree with me or Des calling the shot for Dice if he don't arrive.
 
If you wanna call the shot yourself, be my guest (I think we are most clear), but then announce it VERY clearly and make sure there is absolutely ZERO confusion for either Dice OR the other players on who the called target is.

 

 

[csarmi]

Completely clearly as in:

 

VIG: PLEASE SHOOT X, OFFICIAL

 

with big letters and possibly coloring to stand out a mile

[csarmi]

nn all

[hazelkrs1]

  On 11/26/2014 at 11:01 PM, Songstress said:

Yep, you're being a jerk.

 

Not my problem anymore in 3 hours.

Not buyin it. Don't think town!Tress would be so ready to wash her hands of this game, even if she wasn't on top of her game throughout.

 

Tress=resigned to her fate SK

 

Gj gj village