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Vote Count D4.04:

 

Darthe (4): Hallia [#3515], Cass [#3594], Deslami [#3598], Thane [#3601]

Pral (2): Darthe [#3440], Dice [#3560]

Cass (1): Tress [#3592]

 

Unvote (1): Pral [#3580]

 

Not Voting (0)

 

At the gallows: Darthe

 

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

 

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  On 11/24/2014 at 6:46 PM, Cass said:

 

@ Des

 

Picked up most of those points in my review. 

 

One question - how sure are you on Darthe over Thane? 

 

Because if I get cleared here, and we're wrong and Darthe flips Town, then everybody is going to be right back where we started on me - and we'll be even further behind. 

 

 

crazy thing is Thane looks scummier than Darthe just going by Krak spew, but Thane had zero votes on him and Darthe had 2, PLUS Darthe was still voting Pray who is one of my top townreads

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 6:47 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*listens to Des*

 

unvote

 

vote:##Darthe

 

Yeahhhhhh anyone feeling a Thane CFD?

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anyways, i'll find out if the CFD took off yes or no when i get to work tomorrow morning. My vote stays, and i'm heading out to get some sleep. (this is your chance to CFD me to death again)

 

gl townies, play well

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  On 11/24/2014 at 6:50 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 6:46 PM, Cass said:

 

@ Des

 

Picked up most of those points in my review. 

 

One question - how sure are you on Darthe over Thane? 

 

Because if I get cleared here, and we're wrong and Darthe flips Town, then everybody is going to be right back where we started on me - and we'll be even further behind. 

 

 

crazy thing is Thane looks scummier than Darthe just going by Krak spew, but Thane had zero votes on him and Darthe had 2, PLUS Darthe was still voting Pray who is one of my top townreads

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 6:47 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

*listens to Des*

 

unvote

 

vote:##Darthe

 

Yeahhhhhh anyone feeling a Thane CFD?

 

I also am still on Laya.  Arguing that I look worse because I continue to vote someone you think is a town read when that is an unconfirmed lean is bad logic.  Yes he has made some good points in the game.  That doesn't mean he doesn't warrant pressure, especially since he mostly makes incredibly safe points.  I recognize that my gut doesn't constitute a case but I have the strongest anti-town vibes on Laya and part of that comes from the fact that we still don't have resolution between him and Thane D1, where I have Thane as someone that looks townier to me.  Not objectively, mind you, but in terms of being able to read bad!town I'm pretty good.

 

Also I have no idea how you understood that question from Cass.  I thought she was saying that lynching me would clear her but that if she was wrong it wasted my life and did nothing for her personally so she was leaving the vote in your hands (which she doesn't trust according to her on thread)  and the whole thing was terribly scummy but your reply indicates that you're seeing something different?  

 

Thane CFD I'm like 80% is going to be wrong.   

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  On 11/24/2014 at 6:54 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

way to go Des... you're playing into scum's hands, doing exactly what they hope would happen.

You make it so difficult to defend you.

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(Good luck with the interview Des).


 


 


Does this mean you have Darthe as Town? I'm not sure I agree with jumping to Thane over Krak spew. I do feel we (Town) need a cohesive vote here - What else have you got on Thane??


 


Thane is on my radar for his early buddying of everyone and some random posts, and he has been weird, but I shifted him down the list because I get the impression that he plays weird both ways, and maybe he has been set up? (People with meta, help?) Although he's on my radar, I couldn't really pinpoint anything that pointed him directly to scum for his own actions, can you? (never voted Krak either, and I had him in my mostly greens nearly the entire time from memory - until my re-read). 


 


I see Darthe purposefully interacting with Yates and Krak and Kiv, and pushing people like Leelou and Nyn over small things. He also 'buddied' me towards the end here, when nobody else would because logically, without knowing I am Town, even I can see it quite easily makes no sense to keep me around. And he's been playing 'serious' lately, which he himself mentioned is more like him when he's not Town. Is this not more concrete than what we've got on Thane? 


 


And if you're deliberately shifting off me to mislynch someone else and keep me and my associated confusion in the game, I'm gonna spew.

Posted

Cass. We are the towniest town who ever towned. If you are town, stop tinfoiling and tunneling on us.

 

Darthe do you think Thane is scum?

Posted

@Csarmi - you're not going to clarify his thoughts? Did you guys talk about this in your QT?

 

@Darthe - read my previous posts. What I'm saying is: a solid lynch is best. But if we're not cohesive/if I'm going to remain unclearable to the majority of Town, then yes, I am the better mislynch as getting rid of me will eliminate a lot of confusion. And I thought that that made perfect sense?

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  On 11/24/2014 at 7:33 PM, csarmi said:

Cass. We are the towniest town who ever towned. If you are town, stop tinfoiling and tunneling on us.

 

 

Also, this made me laugh... *g*

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  On 11/24/2014 at 7:23 PM, Cass said:

 

I see Darthe purposefully interacting with Yates and Krak and Kiv, and pushing people like Leelou and Nyn over small things. He also 'buddied' me towards the end here, when nobody else would because logically, without knowing I am Town, even I can see it quite easily makes no sense to keep me around. And he's been playing 'serious' lately, which he himself mentioned is more like him when he's not Town. Is this not more concrete than what we've got on Thane? 

 

And if you're deliberately shifting off me to mislynch someone else and keep me and my associated confusion in the game, I'm gonna spew.

 

 

I am fairly confident that I interacted with everyone, though people interract with those who they suspect more than people they town-read in general because they want more info from them.  Your first sentence thus looks like you are accusing me for doing what I am supposed to as town and having pretty good D1 reads.  I also interracted with Des and DPR a lot on D1, delved into you a fair bit and picked at Nyn and Laya through this entire game.  

 

"Buddying" you like you're talking about is the name of the game.  Early game I hesitated to town read you, midgame I got a clearer read on you, now I'm tinfoiling on you some.  The nature of interraction is that everyone tries to put a title on it but this accusation is one of paranoia instead of logic.  By that regard I am buddying Thane right now by saying that I don't want him lynched.  If your assessment held up that would be undeniably scummy of me because it implies that my goal is to garner his favor for later, however that doesn't work here for two reasons.  It is equally possible that I am a townie who doesn't know Thane's alignment and that I want to protect him because I think there are better targets and don't think he does a good job of doing so himself.  That generally goes double for new players.  Additionally buddying doesn't work for mafia or SK in a game when wolves don't have teammates and there is another anti-town member out there who might not only be mis-cleared but also holds an unknown NK that could ruin the efforts of someone a wolf spent too much time trying to befriend.  

 

I also didn't say I play more seriously when I am not town.  I said I don't have fun.  I'm analytical and serious regardless of alignment, especially when I am getting accused or we are nearing endgame.  

 

Last thing.  You're supposed to be confused.  You're supposed to look at everyone critically and analyze things.  Your vote on me earlier because you got tired of talking yourself in circles is lazy and paranoid, almost as bad as your arguments that DesLami could be scum when, barring a CC they 100% are clear this game.  

Posted
  On 11/24/2014 at 7:33 PM, csarmi said:

Cass. We are the towniest town who ever towned. If you are town, stop tinfoiling and tunneling on us.

 

Darthe do you think Thane is scum?

No.  I'd rather the lynch pool for today be between Tress, Laya and Cass than Thane, Dice or Hally.  I've pushed all of them and Laya/Cass come up the worst today though history says Cass is more likely new town than Laya is to have been ostensibly in between his town and scum game with a former Arsis that played like a member of the Gangs of New York.

 

  On 11/24/2014 at 7:33 PM, Cass said:

@Csarmi - you're not going to clarify his thoughts? Did you guys talk about this in your QT?

 

@Darthe - read my previous posts. What I'm saying is: a solid lynch is best. But if we're not cohesive/if I'm going to remain unclearable to the majority of Town, then yes, I am the better mislynch as getting rid of me will eliminate a lot of confusion. And I thought that that made perfect sense?

YOU KNOW YOUR ALIGNMENT.  IF you are town then you should never consider yourself a good mislynch, no more than I consider myself one.  Pull it together Cass.

Posted

I get the feeling that the dead thread hates this game right now.  Salami are you still deferring to Des on votes etc?  

Posted

Probably. Still like all behind... Never really managed to catch back up.

 

We don't really have townies is our problem. And we keep going back and forth on Darthe/Cass/Thane. Despo don't like Laya either I have no idea.

 

Dice D1 looks like his scum game BTW. No productivity.

 

I got you positive on tone and I dunno about actions. I'd rather not lynch you here.

 

Not even sure on Tress at all and Hally hardly even playing.

 

Boof.

 

Yolk would be Thane lynch.

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