[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Yates]

I think your wagonomics analysis is pretty bad honestly, if you think BFG staying off the trains looks good for her.

I'm just doing math and stuff. I haven't voted for anyone, yet. It's a way for me to make sense of the game. As you very well know, I typically look for scum ON any wagon that results in a Town lynch. I can't even remember the last time I was in a game where the wagon on Town was comprised of 100% Town. I'm not sure that's ever happened. This is especially true later in the game as there are ferwer Townies around to CAUSE the mislynch.

 

So these are the people that were on Verb's wagon Day 3:

Berf/Sili, Des, Hally, Rags, Monstr, Dice

 

You are 100% on Monstr being Town here, right? And let's remove you for the sake of argument:

Berf/Sili, Hally, Rags, Dice

 

I'm still at 50/50. How do I break the tie?

[Yates]

BFG  why do you think sili is lock cleared?

Because of yesterday's VC.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I think your wagonomics analysis is pretty bad honestly, if you think BFG staying off the trains looks good for her.

I'm just doing math and stuff. I haven't voted for anyone, yet. It's a way for me to make sense of the game. As you very well know, I typically look for scum ON any wagon that results in a Town lynch. I can't even remember the last time I was in a game where the wagon on Town was comprised of 100% Town. I'm not sure that's ever happened. This is especially true later in the game as there are ferwer Townies around to CAUSE the mislynch.

 

So these are the people that were on Verb's wagon Day 3:

Berf/Sili, Des, Hally, Rags, Monstr, Dice

 

You are 100% on Monstr being Town here, right? And let's remove you for the sake of argument:

Berf/Sili, Hally, Rags, Dice

 

I'm still at 50/50. How do I break the tie?

Bolded are the scum there imo. Lemme go look at the respective votes tho

[hazelkrs1]

 

BFG why do you think sili is lock cleared?

Because of yesterday's VC.

That's silly

[Sili Quirrels]

just wondering, but is there anything for me to pitch in?

[dicetosser1]

sili you could tell me when yates became BFG....

 

 

Yates do you plan on letting BFG answer things she is asked first at any point here?  thats twice today.

[Sili Quirrels]

i'm clueless. lost in a deep sea. bfg who? what is a yates?

[Yates]

sili you could tell me when yates became BFG....

 

 

Yates do you plan on letting BFG answer things she is asked first at any point here?  thats twice today.

Okay. I'll let HER tell you that math dictates it by virtue of her being ALIVE. The wagons were her and Des. All she needed was 1 more vote to be lynched. Let's say she's Town. If she's Town, that means ALL of the scum were already on her wagon. That's her point. I think it's obvious and I'm not breaking some secret gambit.

[Sili Quirrels]

im okay with anything that involves rags, hallia, and desp.

 

lemme know when we get there.

[dicetosser1]

 

sili you could tell me when yates became BFG....

 

 

Yates do you plan on letting BFG answer things she is asked first at any point here?  thats twice today.

Okay. I'll let HER tell you that math dictates it by virtue of her being ALIVE. The wagons were her and Des. All she needed was 1 more vote to be lynched. Let's say she's Town. If she's Town, that means ALL of the scum were already on her wagon. That's her point. I think it's obvious and I'm not breaking some secret gambit.

 

 

Yates I wanted her thoughts. before you spoke she might have said "because of this and this and this" now she might just go "what yates said"

[Yates]

Yates I wanted her thoughts. before you spoke she might have said "because of this and this and this" now she might just go "what yates said"

OHHHHHHH!

 

You wanted her thoughts....

We jailed Lates.

 

Dice/Serf and Lates are LOCK CLEAR. If any were mafia they could have won yesterday already. Des needs to push the BFKey/Dice/Serf team (despite the fact that a 3 man team makes no sense balance wise) so that protects us more than anything else could. Lates was vulnerable out of our mechanically cleared, we decided that it was better that he was jailed and live, then die with a result :/

 

2 of Alanna/Rags/Manbat are town, although I keep changing my mind which.

 

##Des

[hazelkrs1]

Non-me,Arsis,Manbat votes on Verb the day of his lynch:

 

Still at work. ><. Bowling on Wed so I followed along but have trouble continuously commenting.

Des - that casing is impressive!

##vote: Verb

 

Hallia hadn't mentioned Verb much before this that I recall. However her vote here is null imo for two reasons- 1. She bandwagons her town reads a lot as town and 2. She was essentially the other option for a lynch that day, so could easily just be self-preservation (null since town or scum don't want to see themselves lynched)

 

I just realized that I hadn't ##vote Verb yet.

 

How silly of me.

 

Rags' vote itself is null since he had long expressed support of a Verbal lynch

 

allright im willing to try this

 

unvote ##vote verbal

 

I think this is one of the scum votes and here's why:

 

gun to head i might go verbal.

 

hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des.

 

Im voting hallia cause i have not liked her recent responses.

 

Before this Dice had been supporting a Hallia lynch for a looooong time. Yet suddenly he says he might go Verbal, even tho it was an important lynch for town?

 

Nope.

 

And as I pointed out last day phase, Dice was NOT voting Hallia because he didn't like her recent responses. He voted her because she bandwagoned my case/vote on Verb.

 

Plus, "hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des" fails the tone test big time, is funny since Dice had NEVER mentioned Verb as a scumread or even someone he was wary of all game.

 

Also something I covered before- Dice implies here that he had a townread on me, a townread that could have been solidified with a scumflip on Verb. Yet Dice later recants and says he didn't say he had me as town (even tho he had earlier than this as well)

 

i entirely forgot hallia copped pral and that's why she claimed joat. ugh. i might go to sleep soon. so ##verb

 

This is the other scum vote on Verb I think. Here's why:

 

i'm actually rather impressed with your iso of verb. it isn't nearly as messy as the others, and the ideas are pretty straightforward: awkward phrasing, soft nudges, and advocating poor decisions for town. i picked up on a few of these myself.

 

still, i get the feeling these are only scum!tells in a vacuum, because it was that way for me.

 

Before this he was actually saying that Verb looked more likely to be town here, and as Sili 1.0 he constantly derided my iso's and cases on people. Yet suddenly he's supporting this one?

 

Looks like scum looking for an easy reason to jump onto a townie, and ditch responsibility in the process

 

 

 

~4 Wolves in

Pral
Alanna
Rags
Arsis
Yates
Key
Dice
Berf

So let's try to clear half this list and lunch from the rest

Shouldn't be too hard

 

Tommy being GOAT here. That's the lynch pool. 

 

it needed to have aj on it

 

i would like to add hallia and take out key, then sort it as so:

 

Pral
Alanna
Rags
Arsis
Yates
Halia
Dice

Serf

Verbal

 

Rags mostly because his nudging on verb struck me the wrong way.

 

 

This is more telling tho. Hallia was the counterwagon that day, and Sili has her as orange here, yet he doesn't push her lynch that hard and ends up voting Verb fairly easily.

[hazelkrs1]

Basically if Dice and Sili were seriously scumreading Hallia as hard as they made it seem D3, they wouldn't have ended up going on to the Verb wagon so easily that day. THOSE are the scum you're looking for Yates.

[Sili Quirrels]

i double and triple checked his iso, drew comparisons, and no one was with me on either arsis or hallia so i gave up.

 

and your isos did get neater.

[Yates]

This is more telling tho. Hallia was the counterwagon that day, and Sili has her as orange here, yet he doesn't push her lynch that hard and ends up voting Verb fairly easily.

@Sili - retort? Why did you vote a grey over your orange?

[Yates]

Ninjaed.

[Yates]

Des - what were the NA's last night, in your opinion?

[dicetosser1]

Non-me,Arsis,Manbat votes on Verb the day of his lynch:

 

Still at work. ><. Bowling on Wed so I followed along but have trouble continuously commenting.

 

Des - that casing is impressive!

 

##vote: Verb

 

Hallia hadn't mentioned Verb much before this that I recall. However her vote here is null imo for two reasons- 1. She bandwagons her town reads a lot as town and 2. She was essentially the other option for a lynch that day, so could easily just be self-preservation (null since town or scum don't want to see themselves lynched)

 

I just realized that I hadn't ##vote Verb yet.

 

How silly of me.

 

Rags' vote itself is null since he had long expressed support of a Verbal lynch

 

allright im willing to try this

 

unvote ##vote verbal

 

I think this is one of the scum votes and here's why:

 

gun to head i might go verbal.

 

hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des.

 

Im voting hallia cause i have not liked her recent responses.

 

Before this Dice had been supporting a Hallia lynch for a looooong time. Yet suddenly he says he might go Verbal, even tho it was an important lynch for town?

 

Nope.

 

And as I pointed out last day phase, Dice was NOT voting Hallia because he didn't like her recent responses. He voted her because she bandwagoned my case/vote on Verb.

 

Plus, "hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des" fails the tone test big time, is funny since Dice had NEVER mentioned Verb as a scumread or even someone he was wary of all game.

 

Also something I covered before- Dice implies here that he had a townread on me, a townread that could have been solidified with a scumflip on Verb. Yet Dice later recants and says he didn't say he had me as town (even tho he had earlier than this as well)

 

 

 

 

so wher did i say i had you town? that says might allow me to solidify my read. SOLIDIFY. means to make more solid. I did not have a solid read on you as town. I thought you MIGHT be but thats not saying you ARE town.  there is a difference. You are trying to twist words to suit you

[hazelkrs1]

Dude I don't know lol.

 

Hallia hasn't even checked in yet today

 

But eh something like this I guess:

 

Me: Doc'd Lates (this I KNOW)

You: Tracked me, apparently blocked (this I believe to be true)

Pray: nada, out of shots (believe this too)

Hallia: ???

Scum RB (imo BFKey): RB Hallia

Scum NK: Lates

 

That's prob what I would guess

[dicetosser1]

Des in you little outline there of NAs  where does Yates get RBd?

[Sili Quirrels]

 

This is more telling tho. Hallia was the counterwagon that day, and Sili has her as orange here, yet he doesn't push her lynch that hard and ends up voting Verb fairly easily.

@Sili - retort? Why did you vote a grey over your orange?

 

5 or so hours later he became a null to scum lean which isn't that much different than an orange. Would have preferred to lynch hallia or arsis at the time but that's not where the thread was at.

 

When I finally did vote him it was a forgone conclusion anyway and I didn't want to be suspicious because I didn't vote day 3 just because I fell asleep at a bad time.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Non-me,Arsis,Manbat votes on Verb the day of his lynch:

 

Still at work. ><. Bowling on Wed so I followed along but have trouble continuously commenting.

 

Des - that casing is impressive!

 

##vote: Verb

 

Hallia hadn't mentioned Verb much before this that I recall. However her vote here is null imo for two reasons- 1. She bandwagons her town reads a lot as town and 2. She was essentially the other option for a lynch that day, so could easily just be self-preservation (null since town or scum don't want to see themselves lynched)

 

I just realized that I hadn't ##vote Verb yet.

 

How silly of me.

 

Rags' vote itself is null since he had long expressed support of a Verbal lynch

 

allright im willing to try this

 

unvote ##vote verbal

 

I think this is one of the scum votes and here's why:

 

gun to head i might go verbal.

 

hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des.

 

Im voting hallia cause i have not liked her recent responses.

 

Before this Dice had been supporting a Hallia lynch for a looooong time. Yet suddenly he says he might go Verbal, even tho it was an important lynch for town?

 

Nope.

 

And as I pointed out last day phase, Dice was NOT voting Hallia because he didn't like her recent responses. He voted her because she bandwagoned my case/vote on Verb.

 

Plus, "hes been iffing along on me all game and his flip might allow me to solidify my read on des" fails the tone test big time, is funny since Dice had NEVER mentioned Verb as a scumread or even someone he was wary of all game.

 

Also something I covered before- Dice implies here that he had a townread on me, a townread that could have been solidified with a scumflip on Verb. Yet Dice later recants and says he didn't say he had me as town (even tho he had earlier than this as well)

 

 

 

 

so wher did i say i had you town? that says might allow me to solidify my read. SOLIDIFY. means to make more solid. I did not have a solid read on you as town. I thought you MIGHT be but thats not saying you ARE town.  there is a difference. You are trying to twist words to suit you

 

 

Dude your post clearly implies you had a town read on me. SOLIDIFY means it would have strengthened the town read, but it doesn't mean it changes a null read to a town one, it means it strengthens a preexisting town read.

 

You're dancing around crap like this Dice, cause you're SCUM.

 

You thinking I MIGHT be town is dumb. Anyone in any game MIGHT be town. Your wording CLEARLY INDICATED you were leaning town on me. End of story.

[hazelkrs1]

Des in you little outline there of NAs  where does Yates get RBd?

 

Meant to say Scum RB targeted him, not Hallia

 

I'll be honest tho- it would seem to be strange that scum would NK AND RB Lates. Maybe they wanted to cover their bases?

 

I dunno. Maybe they holstered a kill. Seems unlikely to me, but eh.

 

Regardless, all I know is I'm the Doc. I know my own actions. I know I've followed my instincts all game, they've been off at times but I think they finally cashed in towards the end.

 

And I also think town is VERY unlikely to have a JK AND Doc in this setup, considering everything else.

[Yates]

SOLIDIFY means it would have strengthened the town read, but it doesn't mean it changes a null read to a town one, it means it strengthens a preexisting town read.

Actually, I agree with Dice here. Solidify simply means "to make firm." That implies he didn't have a FIRM read on you. I use the same sort of language.

[Yates]

Need more from Hally, Manbat, Pral, and Leelou.

 

I'm heading home so I'll be offline for a bit.