[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[hazelkrs1]

Key why did you not Jailkeep me?

 

You would rather I died?

Excellent point. No reason in the world not to Jailkeep you. If you were telling the truth, it protects a role that would hurt town if it died. If you were lying, it blocks any potential negative actions on your part

 

I think that seals the deal on their scumminess. Key and BFG are shrewd players and wouldn't have missed such an obviously +EV play

[hazelkrs1]

##unvote

 

##vote BFKey

[keyholder21]

Like if my vote was on Key already, I wouldn't be moving it because of that claim.

 

And they very well could just be scum RB that thought Manbat was a PR

 

If I was scum RB, why would I choose manbat?  You were heavily suggesting vig in your so-called gambit with Tommy and Arsis mentioned being Watcher before night was over. 

[Sili Quirrels]

Rags was indolent last game as well. Almost got lynched for it too.

 

Yates could easily be scum. But Hydras are op which makes it a difficult slot to judge.

 

Dice I want to be scum.

[keyholder21]

Key why did you not Jailkeep me?

 

You would rather I died?

Because we think you are lying about your role. And, again, as I mentioned when I answered you, we felt that if you were somehow telling the truth, you were pretty clearly the protect candidate so there was WIFOM about protecting you.

 

 

 

Key why did you not Jailkeep me?

 

You would rather I died?

Excellent point. No reason in the world not to Jailkeep you. If you were telling the truth, it protects a role that would hurt town if it died. If you were lying, it blocks any potential negative actions on your part

 

I think that seals the deal on their scumminess. Key and BFG are shrewd players and wouldn't have missed such an obviously +EV play

 

Bold - only if he had a scum PR.

 

See above regarding WIFOM.

 

Italics - spinning to fit your narrative des. You know full well that playing to the WIFOM in mafia is a shrewd play; you toe that line all the time.

[Tommyrod]

What's the "WIFOM" about protecting me? If you are a defensive role you may be the doc equivalent. I don't understand what you mean by WIFOM.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Like if my vote was on Key already, I wouldn't be moving it because of that claim.

 

And they very well could just be scum RB that thought Manbat was a PR

If I was scum RB, why would I choose manbat? You were heavily suggesting vig in your so-called gambit with Tommy and Arsis mentioned being Watcher before night was over.

I already explained why- you could have thought Manbat was a PR

 

And whybwoukd you RB me if I was saying I would shoot Tommy- who if he was a Beloved Princess would HELP your team if I shot him. That makes zero sense.

 

The only way that would make sense is if you were suggesting Tommy was scum with you. Is that what you were suggesting there?

[hazelkrs1]

I also don't buy the reads you just put out- in general they look like qeajsauce to me, poorly justified, and you overrely on POE even tho you haven't given out strong town reads on that many people.

[dicetosser1]

if id seen these kind of posts early on i wouldnt have been finding you scummy key.

 

I can follow the logic for why you jailed manbat and not tommy

[keyholder21]

I also don't think Manbat would have been the scum NK target last night. He wasn't exactly a ginormous threat to the scum team.

What you do mean by the bolded?

 

Again, we chose him because he was our only blueread and we wanted to protect him. He was being townread by the majority, if not all, of the thread at the time so we felt he was a likely candidate for NK.

[Tommyrod]

It does sound like that.

 

That would be super sneaky if she snuck that one in as scum.

[keyholder21]

What's the "WIFOM" about protecting me? If you are a defensive role you may be the doc equivalent. I don't understand what you mean by WIFOM.

WIFOM due to:

 

Several people doubting your claim.

 

Obvious candidate for doc protect.

[Tommyrod]

So you're saying you were just counting on me not being targeted because I was an obvious protection target?

 

Do you usually doc like that?

 

I would think I would be a perfect candidate for a town JK last night. Worst case is you stop me from using an action as scum.

[keyholder21]

 

 

Like if my vote was on Key already, I wouldn't be moving it because of that claim.

 

And they very well could just be scum RB that thought Manbat was a PR

If I was scum RB, why would I choose manbat? You were heavily suggesting vig in your so-called gambit with Tommy and Arsis mentioned being Watcher before night was over.

 

I already explained why- you could have thought Manbat was a PR

 

And whybwoukd you RB me if I was saying I would shoot Tommy- who if he was a Beloved Princess would HELP your team if I shot him. That makes zero sense.

 

The only way that would make sense is if you were suggesting Tommy was scum with you. Is that what you were suggesting there?

 

I meant, why would I think manbat had a PR, if I had you and Arsis choose from already and he hadn't hinted anything of the sort?

 

Because I would get satisfaction from blocking you. And I don't believe Tommy's claim, period.

 

Twisting. No. I'm not scum, des. Fix your solve, because you're going to need to once I flip anyway.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Like if my vote was on Key already, I wouldn't be moving it because of that claim.

 

And they very well could just be scum RB that thought Manbat was a PR

If I was scum RB, why would I choose manbat? You were heavily suggesting vig in your so-called gambit with Tommy and Arsis mentioned being Watcher before night was over.

I already explained why- you could have thought Manbat was a PR

 

And whybwoukd you RB me if I was saying I would shoot Tommy- who if he was a Beloved Princess would HELP your team if I shot him. That makes zero sense.

 

The only way that would make sense is if you were suggesting Tommy was scum with you. Is that what you were suggesting there?

I meant, why would I think manbat had a PR, if I had you and Arsis choose from already and he hadn't hinted anything of the sort?

 

Because I would get satisfaction from blocking you. And I don't believe Tommy's claim, period.

 

Twisting. No. I'm not scum, des. Fix your solve, because you're going to need to once I flip anyway.

I really don't like this post though.

 

It sounds guilty as hell.

[keyholder21]

I also don't buy the reads you just put out- in general they look like qeajsauce to me, poorly justified, and you overrely on POE even tho you haven't given out strong town reads on that many people.

Reads through our lists again. Most of our lists are town, so what are you talking about? You were JUST complaining that I didn't have anyone in the red.

[keyholder21]

 

 

 

 

Like if my vote was on Key already, I wouldn't be moving it because of that claim.

 

And they very well could just be scum RB that thought Manbat was a PR

If I was scum RB, why would I choose manbat? You were heavily suggesting vig in your so-called gambit with Tommy and Arsis mentioned being Watcher before night was over.

 

I already explained why- you could have thought Manbat was a PR

 

And whybwoukd you RB me if I was saying I would shoot Tommy- who if he was a Beloved Princess would HELP your team if I shot him. That makes zero sense.

 

The only way that would make sense is if you were suggesting Tommy was scum with you. Is that what you were suggesting there?

 

I meant, why would I think manbat had a PR, if I had you and Arsis choose from already and he hadn't hinted anything of the sort?

 

Because I would get satisfaction from blocking you. And I don't believe Tommy's claim, period.

 

Twisting. No. I'm not scum, des. Fix your solve, because you're going to need to once I flip anyway.

 

I really don't like this post though.

 

It sounds guilty as hell.

 

 

What is 'guilty' about it?

[hazelkrs1]

So you're saying you were just counting on me not being targeted because I was an obvious protection target?

 

Do you usually doc like that?

 

I would think I would be a perfect candidate for a town JK last night. Worst case is you stop me from using an action as scum.

This. JKing Tommy as the town JK in this situation is basically the ONLY move that makes sense. Normally a JK may not want to JK town PR claims since it may keep them from using an ability, but Tommy was claiming a role that had no positive utility, only negative utility if he died. So there is zero reason to not JK him in that scenario.

 

And if you doubt the claim whatsoever (since it IS a common scum fake claim) you could still block him from doing any negative actions against town.

 

Like I said, the ONLY move that makes sense for town JK. BFG and Key are both def smart enough to see that. Not buying their claim.

[dicetosser1]

tommy i wouldnt have jailed you either you know.

[Sili Quirrels]

Perhaps key just doesn't believe tommy's claim...

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

Like if my vote was on Key already, I wouldn't be moving it because of that claim.

 

And they very well could just be scum RB that thought Manbat was a PR

If I was scum RB, why would I choose manbat? You were heavily suggesting vig in your so-called gambit with Tommy and Arsis mentioned being Watcher before night was over.

I already explained why- you could have thought Manbat was a PR

 

And whybwoukd you RB me if I was saying I would shoot Tommy- who if he was a Beloved Princess would HELP your team if I shot him. That makes zero sense.

 

The only way that would make sense is if you were suggesting Tommy was scum with you. Is that what you were suggesting there?

I meant, why would I think manbat had a PR, if I had you and Arsis choose from already and he hadn't hinted anything of the sort?

 

Because I would get satisfaction from blocking you. And I don't believe Tommy's claim, period.

 

Twisting. No. I'm not scum, des. Fix your solve, because you're going to need to once I flip anyway.

Bold: how would I know what the scum were thinking? Pointless question. And the Arsis claim came out pretty late,y'all might've submitted your action already or something.

 

Italics: NOPE. This isn't even close to a valid argument. You wouldn't block me "just for the satisfaction" if doing so might have actually hurt your teams chances of winning. That's ludicrous.

 

Underlined: I'd be willing to consider this obv if you DID flip town, but this kind of statement is obviously pointless right now since it obv could just be AtE/fearmongering on your part as scum.

[keyholder21]

So you're saying you were just counting on me not being targeted because I was an obvious protection target?

 

Do you usually doc like that?

 

I would think I would be a perfect candidate for a town JK last night. Worst case is you stop me from using an action as scum.

No, for the like 80th time, first I said that we don't believe your claim. Secondly, we thought IF there was a chance you were town, then you were an obvious choice for protection. THUS, leading us to go with who we felt would be the actual choice for NK. Also, there might well be an actual doc in the game, since our role has possible negative consequences, who could have been protecting you.

 

What does your second question have to do with anything?

 

Congrats to you? We didn't think so. We discussed what side of our role to use and we chose to go with protection rather than RB, which is why the "worst case" didn't factor into our decision.

[Tommyrod]

I meant, why would I think manbat had a PR, if I had you and Arsis choose from already and he hadn't hinted anything of the sort?

 

Because I would get satisfaction from blocking you. And I don't believe Tommy's claim, period.

 

Twisting. No. I'm not scum, des. Fix your solve, because you're going to need to once I flip anyway.

 

I really don't like this post though.

 

It sounds guilty as hell.

 

 

What is 'guilty' about it?

 

Each of the colored sentences comes from a "wolf trying to prove they're not a wolf" mindset instead of a "villager who would never even consider why they're not a wolf" mindset.

[Tommyrod]

Out of curiosity, did you leave any subtle hints about your role earlier in the game?

[keyholder21]

 

So you're saying you were just counting on me not being targeted because I was an obvious protection target?

 

Do you usually doc like that?

 

I would think I would be a perfect candidate for a town JK last night. Worst case is you stop me from using an action as scum.

This. JKing Tommy as the town JK in this situation is basically the ONLY move that makes sense. Normally a JK may not want to JK town PR claims since it may keep them from using an ability, but Tommy was claiming a role that had no positive utility, only negative utility if he died. So there is zero reason to not JK him in that scenario.

 

And if you doubt the claim whatsoever (since it IS a common scum fake claim) you could still block him from doing any negative actions against town.

 

Like I said, the ONLY move that makes sense for town JK. BFG and Key are both def smart enough to see that. Not buying their claim.

 

Stop repeating yourself. I already responded/answered all of this.