[Advanced] Revenge of the Marlfox

[Leelou]

She's been playing for years, Tommy.

[Tommyrod]

She's been playing for years, Tommy.

A habit of mine is I assume players aren't as sneaky as me. Once I learn they are I raise the standards.

[Leelou]

That's a bad assumption to make.

[Tommyrod]

That's a bad assumption to make.

It usually works when a player has done something very villagery.

 

I think Key spews Alanna wolf if a wolf.

[Tommyrod]

Do you have an updated read on Verb?

 

I am concerned that he has not made an effort to move into villager territory. Not counting his usual weekend absence.

[Tommyrod]

 

Team Cuddles (2): Yates, Dice

Tommy (2): AJ, Sili

Verbal (1): Tommy

 

Not Voting: everyone else

What are the chances that people who voted early are >rand to be town?

 

I think slightly to kinda good.

[Tommyrod]

Page 13 is an interesting game slice.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91500-advanced-revenge-of-the-marlfox/page-13

 

Verb good, Leelou really good, Hallia bad, Key really bad.

[Tommyrod]

 

Tommy, why a(n incorrectly formatted) vote on Yates if you think Verb's post where he pulled your quotes is the wolfiest thing so far?

Because i don't think Verb is scum right now. Moved to weird vibes #2.

This post about Verb: more likely busing or talking about a villager? It has a little bit of a "maybe I can frame Tommy later" vibe.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Tommy, why a(n incorrectly formatted) vote on Yates if you think Verb's post where he pulled your quotes is the wolfiest thing so far?

Because i don't think Verb is scum right now. Moved to weird vibes #2.

K.

 

Verb doesn't look scummy to me either. I think his attacking the thread looks good.

 

Not sure I'm seeing what you are in regards to Yates. He seems to be playing similar to Woodstock and Dr. who, imo, but I'd like to look at Discworld again when I get on a computer to see how he started that game.

Huh.

[Leelou]

It hasn't changed yet, tommy. Yates is still cautious on Verb and thinks he needs pressure.

 

 

Btw - I'm on the train ride from hell. We are actually being pushed into the city by another train and its jerky as hell.

[Yates]

Do you have an updated read on Verb?

 

I am concerned that he has not made an effort to move into villager territory. Not counting his usual weekend absence.

The problem is he hasn't posted anywhere on site since early Halloween morning.

[Tommyrod]

Key and Sili don't read as w/w to me on pg 14-15.

[Tommyrod]

I've been told a lot recently that my daft happiness is seen as a smokescreen, and so im trying to tone it down.

Villagery

[Tommyrod]

 

 

peeked Arsis wolf

can't tell if joking...

Very unlikely to be w/w

[Tommyrod]

Looking through early game especially, I would lynch Cory before I lynched Sili.

[Tommyrod]

I think cory setting up an excuse for him to slack off for no reason is fairly scummy behavior. Playing the victim for no reason with no pressure is suspicious.

"people don't like me so I'm not going to post"

 

 

That never stopped tommmy or myself from posting. ;)

Possibly correct

[Tommyrod]

 

Shrug

 

Do as you will

You're quoting the satanic Bible and I'm not supposed to view you as scum. Really?

The shrug here is wolfy for Cory. As was his "woof" to me later.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Key's skepticism of me felt a liiiiiiiiiittle overdone but I'm not gonna pick a fight with her before seeing more thread action

 

Could be nothing

You mean my one question?

 

Yeah, man, so overdone.

Oooof lol

[hazelkrs1]

Okay just finished reading EOD1. Since most people already went through all this, I'll spoiler the little stuff, leave the bigger stuff unspoilered

 

 

 

 

 VOTE COUNT

 

Team Cuddles (1): Arsis

Berf (5): Key, Alanna, AJ, Thane, Lates

BFKEY(2): Dice, Pral

Sili (1): Des

Arsis (2): Verbal, Monstr

Verbal (2): Sili, Cuddles

Rags (1): Tommy

 

 

Not Voting (2): The rest of you lot.

 

 

Deadline Set:  

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141030T21&p0=2133&msg=Deadline+Day+1&csz=1

 

At this point in time Berf was pretty much the only train and deadline was only 2 hrs away.... I'm extremely surprised he didn't get lynched.

 

 

 

Hallia's done a bit of emotional manipulation this game. It's something that would be extremely repugnant, the way cory described it. And I agree, because I almost feel the same.

But conversely, it's a hydra which means meta should be applied loosely.

What??! I've played this game openly. I WANT you to show me where I did that.

 

It's 120 pages lol. I remember you expressing yourself in an emotional way, in a manner that would be straightforward if you were town, or emotional manipulation if you were a wolf.

 

 

I know I covered this before, but holy bejeezus this is a wolfy sequence from Sili. Misreps Hallia, then immediately backtracks and hedges in a wolfy manner

 

I almost think we have to lynch berf because

1) any lynch is better than no lynch

2) he probably won't ever defend himself all game

3) I doubt we'll get support for another wagon in time

But I dunno that's just my two cents

 

I like this post from Manbat

 

 

 

VOTE COUNT

 

Berf (5): Key, Alanna, AJ, Thane, Tommy

BFKEY(2): Dice, Pral

Sili (5): Des, Rags, Lates, Cuddles, Arsis

Arsis (2): Verbal, Monstr

Verbal (1): Sili

 

 

 

Not Voting (1): The rest of you lot.

 

 

Deadline Set:  

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20141030T21&p0=2133&msg=Deadline+Day+1&csz=1

 

Just wanna say- the theory that Sili was a scapegoat lynch here is complete hogwash. Look at that train- so clean and pristine. I'm town. Rags very likely town. Lates is town. Cuddles very likely to be town, in fact I'll just say they are town, cause Sili looks obvscum to me now and he spewed Hallia clear. Arsis Watcher and mosdef town.

 

So yeah, basically there's probably ZERO wolves on his wagon, yet he was being set up as a scapegoat lynch? Even tho Tommy himself helped start that wagon in the first place, then later says it's a scapegoat wagon? Bleurgh.

 

 

 

##Berf

 

Not that I think she's scum, but this is to my wincon. As to all the wolves pushing me, hopefully next time you can bring an argument to the table, thank you.

 

Extremely wolfy vote and bad tone. "To my wincon"? How is it to his wincon? He claimed VT, not Survivor, so preventing his own lynch doesn't necessarily mean he's helping his team win if he's town.

 

As to all the villagers pushing me. I officially have you on my too daft to reason with list.

 

 

Also, because obviously at least a few villagers are being awfully dense, i'll role claim.

 

vanilla town.

 

 

This feeling is then enhanced because I know I'm better at reading other players than half of those present, at the least. There is no reason for a village to lynch me d1 without VERY GOOD reasoning.

 

 

From 20 pages onto 120, I cared about a town victory. Now at the end of the line realizing I've been stabbed in the back, I will say this. If I do live, I do not care if town wins.

 

Thank you for this experience. I will not trust DM town to win a game ever again.

 

This has already been said, but yeah Sili's reaction here to the train on him is just absurdly scummy. Like Arsis said at the time, Sili was flailing big time. And yall let him off the hook.

 

 

What's the Sili all about please?

 

Tommy -> Ragnarok scum why? I had a townread of you before so go.

 

You shouldn't lynch me because I'm a zero info lynch. I haven't been here to interact with anybody and establish connections which gives town nothing to go off regarding the wagon day 2. I'm guessing the Sili wagon has some reasons though?

 

If you want my claim I'll give it, but mostly because of the above I wouldn't advocate my lynch. I think I had like 2 posts? Which is terrible, yes, but not alignment indicative.

 

I think this is significant because this quick little post is kind of a little too well put together for town imo. Like it's looking at the situation with cold logic, instead of either panicked pant-shittingness (since a townie would know they are likely to be lynched soon D1) or ambivalent "WHELP! I was absent after all!" attitude, which would also make sense from a townie.

 

His arguments for why he wouldn't make a good lynch are kind of too emotionally detached from the situation, making me think he's actually more likely to be a wolf here.

 

 

What's the Sili all about please?

 

Tommy -> Ragnarok scum why? I had a townread of you before so go.

 

You shouldn't lynch me because I'm a zero info lynch. I haven't been here to interact with anybody and establish connections which gives town nothing to go off regarding the wagon day 2. I'm guessing the Sili wagon has some reasons though?

 

If you want my claim I'll give it, but mostly because of the above I wouldn't advocate my lynch. I think I had like 2 posts? Which is terrible, yes, but not alignment indicative.

 

I think you just need to skim the past few pages to see why people are voting Sili. His wagon started not that long ago.

 

For me, Sili dropped from a green read to a yellow read, starting yesterday, though it was mostly tinfoiling at first. I'd been reading him town because he was making a lot more sense to me this game, as opposed to Firefly where he was all over the place for me. But then I started wondering if he was talking more sense because he was being coached. On top of that, I didn't like his reaction/analysis of AJ's claim. Though he's a new player, so that could explain that.

 

 

And I covered this in Alanna's iso, but I really think this post is significant. Before this, Alanna was voting Berf, and when he showed up she instantly did the "Berf, why shouldn't we lynch you" post. Yet in the followup to that, she stops trying to discern Berf's alignment at all, and instead rants about Sili a bit.

 

Keep in mind, this is all like 30 mins till deadline. Don't buy that town!Alanna would be all calm and waxing poetic about Sili right here. She'd be trying to press Berf for as much info as possible, and see if she needs to move her vote.

 

I think what happened is she basically lost track of her audience mid post. Her audience was Berf to start out, but halfway through she started ranting about Sili, and ended up appealing to everyone else and trying to both sell her read on him (Sili) as genuine and soft defend him at the same time.

 

VURRY wolfy.

 

 

 

Talking about getting no info - that's how I feel about a Rags lynch. He's null for me, at the moment, and considering he came late into the game because he didn't get a role PM, I think he gave reasonable catch-up posts and reads. I'd like to see more from him on Day 2.

 

H8 that this post makes me wanna tinfoil slightly on Rags, since he also said he would WK Alanna today, but eh I think she knew Rags wasn't getting lynched yesterday and thought she could pocket him with this type of post. Apparently it worked.

 

I don't think I even want to give scum the satisfaction of a mislynch.

If the choice is Sili I choose no lynch instead.

 

GRRRRRRRR TOMMY YOU'RE BAD THIS GAME

 

:mad: :mad: :mad:

 

I could go Thane. Let's do it. You're inspiring me, Tommy :D Also I'm getting annoyed that no one one else is around right now.

 

I feel kinda bad though, because isn't he usually asleep around this time?

 

##Thane

 

Turrible vote. Turrible.

 

And she hops on the Thane CFD, even tho the Sili CFD had already started without her and she had previously stated being fine with a Sili lynch?

 

NOPE.

 

mmk ##Vote Thane

 

I remember a lot of early game weirdness here, and plenty of interactions, probably enough to pinpoint one or two scum. 

 

@Sili - Why aren't we voting AJ then? 

 

Another terrible and scummy vote. Reeks of over-justification.

 

We're letting a survivor live?

 

@Verbal - What's your verdict of events here?

 

@Tommy - I thought Halli's play had sort of compensated for Cory? Is that no longer the case?

 

"We're letting a survivor live?" legit wolfy comment, and the last bit is a blatant nudge on Cory, trying to get Tommy to lead the charge on a Cory case. Looks like Berf trying to instigate town on town violence imo.

 

##thane

But with a skeptical face

 

 

See I've had Thane on my lists most of the game. So he's certainly a scum suspect of mine. I just feel strange lynching him. Hybrid hammer is more interesting and less stressful eod. Thane is better than no lynch. Still prefer sili.


thane

 

Both of these votes look good. Liking the skepticism from both.

 

Funny thing is, had I been there at the time, I prob wouldn't have liked these votes, as I might have thought they were trying to distance from the flip beforehand. I think both had legit reservations however.

 

I've never been part of a CFD before. It was fun. And I agree we'll get much better info off this than berf. 

 

Alanna already stressing the "info" angle like she knows Thane won't flip scum (even tho she had previously been building up to voting him and made it seem like she thought he could be scum)

 

I literally just got home from breakfast and opened the laptop and had a heart attack.

 

Thane I think has a better than 50/50 chance of flipping scum given his early game stance. It was a good lynch in the situation. I'm just happy I'm alive.

 

I'm trying to think of who I had scumreads on on the Thane wagon which will be good for a shortlist heading into tomorrow, and keeping in mind during my backread.

 

p-edit - Better than 50/50 :| Sorry thane.

 

Berf trying to derp himself clear here?

 

tom, would the town you approve of lynching you day 2 or day 3 if you aren't night killed?

 

UGHHHHH @ this post. Sooooooo obvscum.

 

 

@Tommy - You claimed Beloved Princess? Does it activate only when shot or can you be lynched safely? Because despite my townread on you, if it gets close to lylo you become scary.

 

Up to page 50. I'll keep my wall of text to a minimum.

 

@Dice - What's your case on Sili? Just the emotion she displayed close to her own lynch? Because that in itself isn't a scumtell. I'll be rereading the wagon closely, mind.

 

So first Berf asks why aren't we killing the survivor (wolfy). Then he softly suggests we might have to end up lynching the Beloved Princess. Holy Jesus yeah I think Berf is final scum.

 

Him defending Sili at the end only supports this conclusion MOAR.

 

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Feel free to skim, but read the spoilers people!

[Tommyrod]

I'm not sure what you are looking for here?

 

I apologize if you don't like my choice of words and if it was hurtful - it was not my intention; is never my intention, which I believe you know. I was trying to ask if your statement there was a tell for you or if it was neutral. So, I will retract my original statement and ask:

 

those of you who have played with Cory as scum, which I never have, is his reaction regarding Verb not liking his joke, a neutral reaction or something more of a tell, in your opinion(s)?

I'm having a tough time with Key's posting about Cory in this time period. I can't rule it out as w/w. It just feels... weird. Pointless even.

[Hallia]

Morning guys.

 

@Tommy - I know Monstr was smellin what I was selling, I'm surprised at you.

 

Also

- the million pages makes it hard to catch up ><

 

But as it stands, I grudgingly take my scum read off of Arsis. Still think Sili is the way to go, did you not see that scum scramble at EoD yesterday? And the way his wagon stalled? I'm completely with Des there. I think Alanna does have some personal issues as she said, and I'm willing to cut her a little slack. And again, Prals postings leave something to be desired. Look at Berfs and then look at his.

[Tommyrod]

Hmm.

 

I think Berf's posting looked good in real time but you're right they look worse in hindsight. And yeah, Alanna does look shady for hedging on every single comment.

 

Sili isn't oozing villager there either.

 

It's possible I've been underestimating the sneakiness of wolves.

[Tommyrod]

Morning guys.

 

[b[@Tommy - I know Monstr was smellin what I was selling, I'm surprised at you. [/b]

 

Also

- the million pages makes it hard to catch up ><

 

But as it stands, I grudgingly take my scum read off of Arsis. Still think Sili is the way to go, did you not see that scum scramble at EoD yesterday? And the way his wagon stalled? I'm completely with Des there. I think Alanna does have some personal issues as she said, and I'm willing to cut her a little slack. And again, Prals postings leave something to be desired. Look at Berfs and then look at his.

What do you mean?

 

And I could easily label this post as "trying to nudge toward mislynches" if Sili and Pral are town (which is possible).

[Tommyrod]

 

~4 Wolves in

 

Pral

Alanna

Rags

Arsis

Yates

Key

Dice

Berf

 

So let's try to clear half this list and lunch from the rest

 

Shouldn't be too hard

This post is especially nonsense. 4 wolves in 3/4 of the game. Most of those people haven't posted yet. This is what you post ad scum to pretend scum hunt.

Haha Arsis get owned son

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Team Cuddles (2): Yates, Dice

Tommy (2): AJ, Sili

Verbal (1): Tommy

 

Not Voting: everyone else

What are the chances that people who voted early are >rand to be town?

 

I think slightly to kinda good.

 

 

I move that this post be stricken from the record as it is completely and absurdly useless

 

Key and Sili don't read as w/w to me on pg 14-15.

 

Went back to see what you were saying, and yeah Tommy you're bad at this game. Lookit:

 

 

 

 

tommy is an exception. everything i read of him so far says scum.

You'll soon figure out that my range is balanced.d

I'm actually well aware that you'll say the same things as scum and town.

Ok, then what's making you think scum?

 

 

 

 

 

 

• Then do you know the secret to reading

It's in progress, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with who you target and why. also, it might just be me but you're a little more aloof as scum. It's probably nothing you can control. It's probably merely a result of winning all the time. You're invulnerable.

Aloof how?

 

 

Go back and check again- Key engages Sili twice. Does Sili respond? NOPE. Does Key follow up on this? NOPE. Was Sili responding to questions and pokes from other people at the time? YUP.

 

Ftr- Key is about as experienced as Alanna is. She knows how to engage scumbros ITT to not give one of them away should they flip as scum later on. Sili however is in his first game as a baby wolf so didn't know how to respond naturally. And yet Key doesn't follow up on those questions.

 

.....

 

THAT CLEARLY INDICATES A POTENTIAL W/W CONNECTION DUDE.

 

Looking through early game especially, I would lynch Cory before I lynched Sili.