[Advanced] Kronos and Kaylee's Firefly Mafia Won

[Tommyrod]

 

At this precise moment in time I am not pushing you for that; I was asserting that my logic is not only NOT wrong, but in fact QUITE CORRECT.

 

You seem AWFUL concerned about it though.

Well, I *AM* pushing you for your terrible logic. You know why? Because it's scummy. You have been disproven over and over again. Stubborn? Sure. I can get that you might be stubborn. But this is ridiculous. When it gets to this point, I can't see how it could possibly be coming from a Town mindset. And since I have yet to fully resolve your slot? This is helping me read you. That read suggests you are not Town.

 

If I made a point that was factually incorrect I would accept it and move on. I'm not unreasonable, and it's not to my advantage to pound out a point that's incoherent for exactly this reason -- it rustles jimmies.

 

I believe in my logic. I am no longer using it to vilify you, but I WAS defending the sanctity of my logic because there are some things that cannot be argued in good faith, or with ample sense, and eventually the collective refusal of DM players to know what the heck they're doing grates on me.

 

I'm just sitting here with my eyebrows in a permanent furrow because you're being reductive and sardonic in a spot that merits neither.

[Yates]

I'm just sitting here with my eyebrows in a permanent furrow because you're being reductive and sardonic in a spot that merits neither.

Maybe I'm pulling a GAMBIT!!! And trying to save you life for one night?

 

I'm not, though. I'm just angry that this is still a discussion point. So I'm trying to make you "put up or shut up," as the expression goes.

[Yates]

If I made a point that was factually incorrect I would accept it and move on.

I feel like I just illustrated a factual inaccuracy a page ago and then quoted Alanna pointing out a factual inaccuracy like a post or two later. But I didn't see you own up to either. So that looks like narrative spinning in the hopes no one will go back and look in a 236+ page game. THAT is my concern and I don't want you getting away with it. I have a vested interest in not allowing you to push nonsense on me because I don't want to have to keep dealing with it. It makes me tired. And angry. And I feel like neither of those qualities are going to help much going forward.

[Tommyrod]

How thoughtful.

I don't have you as a high priority scum lean, but I think how you tried to mischaracterize my earlier discussion, publicly smear me and set me up as a future push just now for misunderstanding me was wolfy. So if you WANT to have a throwdown, keep it up. If not... go take a bath and reflect on how dingusy you've become since changing your avatar.

[Tommyrod]

 

If I made a point that was factually incorrect I would accept it and move on.

I feel like I just illustrated a factual inaccuracy a page ago and then quoted Alanna pointing out a factual inaccuracy like a post or two later. But I didn't see you own up to either. So that looks like narrative spinning in the hopes no one will go back and look in a 236+ page game. THAT is my concern and I don't want you getting away with it. I have a vested interest in not allowing you to push nonsense on me because I don't want to have to keep dealing with it. It makes me tired. And angry. And I feel like neither of those qualities are going to help much going forward.

 

That is what YOU are doing to ME this VERY second!

 

I don't know how many friggin times I can re-explain how wagonomics works just to have someone tell me that THE MECHANICS OF THE GAME DON'T WORK THAT WAY. You want to give me a stroke? This is a good way to give me a stroke.

[hazelkrs1]

No Tommy, once again Yates has been completely owning you, and might be serving you up for lunch imo

 

GET SERVED WILF

[Tommyrod]

No Tommy, once again Yates has been completely owning you, and might be serving you up for lunch imo

 

GET SERVED WILF

 

So you're... trying to prove you don't know how this game works?

[hazelkrs1]

Tommy you're just wrong plain and simple. I think you're in too deep to back out now so I don't expect a concession, but still

 

Tommy "Too wolfy to fail" Rod

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

No Tommy, once again Yates has been completely owning you, and might be serving you up for lunch imo

 

GET SERVED WILF

So you're... trying to prove you don't know how this game works?

I personally am not going to try and walk through again WHY you are objectively wrong here. You refuse to see the light, so after lynching your buddies I'm having you for lunch

[Tommyrod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1rUqecfA0

No. There's just no way you can argue this.

 

We can talk about it after the game. I don't care anymore. You're giving me aneurisms with your idiocy.

[Tommyrod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1rUqecfA0

 

Right before the hammer you'll say "welp, Tommy was town after all"

 

[hazelkrs1]

Yakety Sax imo

[hazelkrs1]

Tommy if you stop trying to defend indefensible positions and stop trying to push townies instead of, you know, lunch wilves, I'd be GLAD to consider whether you might be town again

 

Until that happens, I will be doing everything in my power to cause you to have a mafia stroke so you don't weasel out of a lynch when it comes time to pay the hangman

 

Speaking of which, you had an INCREDIBLY wolfy post not long ago... Lemme find it

[Tommyrod]

Yakety Sax imo

 

Just know that before the inevitable mid to late game derpfest that we will engage in when you decide to go all-in on being a stubborn fool, I do not hate you and do in fact enjoy playing with you. Those things that I'm going to say about you and your propensity for horrible play are heat of the moment rage induced by your inexplicable lapses of judgment and inability to recognize your own shortcomings and do not accurately reflect the sum of my feelings toward you.

[Yates]

Before you hide behind mechanics:

 

1. You claimed I was a swing vote. Then, you quoted a mod post that showed how the vote count was 3-3 WITH MY VOTE COUNTED. That's not spin. It's a demonstration of you being "factually inaccurate."

 

2. You claimed I was the driving force behind the Thane vote. I reminded you that I was actually the one trying to RESOLVE his slot. I also reminded you that I tried to resolve his slot in real time with HIM thread present. What's funniest about this is that I started casing him in real time IN RESPONSE TO YOU. So, again, you are FACTUALLY INACCURATE.

 

3. You claimed I was the momentum changer for the Thane lynch. Alanna pointed out how that actually came to be, illustrating that my vote had nothing to do with it. Again, FACTUALLY INACCURATE.

 

I'm not having a theory discussion... If it was theory? We could agree to disagree. I'm discussing facts, here. You can not pretend to be operating under the false premise that any of the above inaccuracies are true anymore since they've all been disproven.

[hazelkrs1]

I wanna see flips on Hallia, Verb, Clov, Leelou and possibly Salami if he's still incognito by then; and if the game isn't over reassess whomever is left. There's 3+ in that group.

I'm not going to do the math, but this post right here was wolfy as HELL because you're saying "if the game isn't over reassess whomever is left"

 

But bro. There have been two mislynches and two other townie deaths so far. There CANT be many mislynches left period. So you naming essentially all the consensus scum reads (and adding Salami just because) but acting ambivalent about which ones might possibly be town here is just absurdly scummy

[Tommyrod]

Tommy if you stop trying to defend indefensible positions and stop trying to push townies instead of, you know, lunch wilves, I'd be GLAD to consider whether you might be town again

 

Until that happens, I will be doing everything in my power to cause you to have a mafia stroke so you don't weasel out of a lynch when it comes time to pay the hangman

 

Speaking of which, you had an INCREDIBLY wolfy post not long ago... Lemme find it

 

BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU REFUSE TO UNDERSTAND; THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH MY LOGIC GOD DAMN

 

WHETHER IT IS PROVES TO BE AN ACCURATE TELL FOR THIS GAME OR NOT REMAINS TO BE SEEN BUT YOU CANNOT SAY THAT IT IS INCORRECT

 

IF WE STRIPPED THE PLAYERS NAMES FROM THE GAME AND ANALYZED SOLELY THE MOMENTUM OF PRESSURE TOWARD INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS AT EOD1, WE WOULD FIND THE SAME CONCLUSIONS FROM ALL INVESTIGATORS

 

THIS IS NOT EVEN ARGUABLE

 

STAPH.

 

I'm not going to censor myself. If I think something, I'll speak up about it.

 

I am a townie and have been an absurdly obvious townie for most of this game. I think you WANT me to be scum for whatever reason. The same thing always happens, in every game, before we get confident mafia flips (and sometimes after)! This is why I am not surprised and I am not personally outraged at you. But I AM annoyed that you guys are claiming I'm lying about something so basic.

[Tommyrod]

I'm not going to do the math, but this post right here was wolfy as HELL because you're saying "if the game isn't over reassess whomever is left"

 

But bro. There have been two mislynches and two other townie deaths so far. There CANT be many mislynches left period. So you naming essentially all the consensus scum reads (and adding Salami just because) but acting ambivalent about which ones might possibly be town here is just absurdly scummy

 

You actually made an identical post yourself.

 

Glass houses, etc.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

Yakety Sax imo

Just know that before the inevitable mid to late game derpfest that we will engage in when you decide to go all-in on being a stubborn fool, I do not hate you and do in fact enjoy playing with you. Those things that I'm going to say about you and your propensity for horrible play are heat of the moment rage induced by your inexplicable lapses of judgment and inability to recognize your own shortcomings and do not accurately reflect the sum of my feelings toward you.

I appreciate the ... gesture... but this post has nothing to do with solving the game. At all.

[Tommyrod]

Before you hide behind mechanics:

 

1. You claimed I was a swing vote. Then, you quoted a mod post that showed how the vote count was 3-3 WITH MY VOTE COUNTED. That's not spin. It's a demonstration of you being "factually inaccurate."

 

2. You claimed I was the driving force behind the Thane vote. I reminded you that I was actually the one trying to RESOLVE his slot. I also reminded you that I tried to resolve his slot in real time with HIM thread present. What's funniest about this is that I started casing him in real time IN RESPONSE TO YOU. So, again, you are FACTUALLY INACCURATE.

 

3. You claimed I was the momentum changer for the Thane lynch. Alanna pointed out how that actually came to be, illustrating that my vote had nothing to do with it. Again, FACTUALLY INACCURATE.

 

I'm not having a theory discussion... If it was theory? We could agree to disagree. I'm discussing facts, here. You can not pretend to be operating under the false premise that any of the above inaccuracies are true anymore since they've all been disproven.

 

I *AM* talking about the theory right now, but you're arguing the semantics of the specifics of what I said earlier. Being a swing vote and being a momentum swing or being a driving force all mean the same thing. Your casing of Thane was a large push in his direction. Period. Do not argue this with me.

 

After Alanna brought that up I went back and looked at how you handled Thane and I didn't find it as brusque as I remembered, and I remembered I actually asked you to help me see it, so I lost interest in the link.

 

But what I find absolutely intolerable is the total refusal to understand how you were, in fact, the major catalyst for his lynch at EOD (Des was earlier in the day but lost interest).

 

I have nothing more to say about this apart from "please acknowledge that you understand."

[Andrej]

Peyton just broke Favre's record. 509 careers TDs, pretty remarkable.

 

I've basically already stated my thoughts on this whole argument situation.

 

Yates > Tom imo but I don't think it makes Tom a wolf 100%. I am bothered that he's more worried about arguing the theoretical side of the argument at this point though.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I'm not going to do the math, but this post right here was wolfy as HELL because you're saying "if the game isn't over reassess whomever is left"

 

But bro. There have been two mislynches and two other townie deaths so far. There CANT be many mislynches left period. So you naming essentially all the consensus scum reads (and adding Salami just because) but acting ambivalent about which ones might possibly be town here is just absurdly scummy

You actually made an identical post yourself.

 

Glass houses, etc.

I've never acted ambivalent about any potential mislynches any time recently. Just because I posted my POE, which I'm fairly confident in, doesn't mean in not concerned with making sure we're making the right choice EACH DAY. Your post had none of that concern whatsoever, it was just a generic "I want flips on all the consensus scum reads then we can reassess if game not over" post, which considering were down 4, and likely in a moment 5 townies so far with no dead scum, that is an ambivalent approach to the rest of the game Tommy Too Wolfy To Fail Rod

[hazelkrs1]

I mean, you listed Hallia, Leelou, Clov, Yates, and Salami Tommy. Depending in the order in which we lynched, that would potentially incur a scum sweep, were we to lynch townies from that group first (which would be Yates and Salami imo)

[Tommyrod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1rUqecfA0

I expect that all the wolves are in there, or possibly one is not; there's several players I wouldn't suspect without being at a must lynch situation and I listed where I think the wolves are -- so what are you even saying? Obviously I'm going to adjust with new information, how the hell do you think this game is played?

[Tommyrod]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE1rUqecfA0

Do you know what the EXACT order they should be lynched in is? I don't. I'm not going to pretend to before we get additional information tonight.