Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

[Andrej]

 

Seer claim would take it from 2/6 to 2/5 which I think is pretty legit although I'm not necessarily asking for them to come forward yet.

 

There is zero reason for the seer to come forward - unless they are getting run up or something. It's not like the Seer is going to waste an investigation on him/herself. Also, absolutely no reason to paint a target on their back. Make scum choose between taking a chance on trying to find the Seer OR eliminate our three conf Town one after another.

 

Again - not saying the Seer needs to claim RIGHT NOW.

 

I think D3 it should be considered though, especially if they have some investigation results that can shrink the lynch pool further, if not a solid Illuminati peek.

[Yates]

Where are Addi and BFG?

[Andrej]

In their QT probably.

 

Lame.

[Yates]

Again - not saying the Seer needs to claim RIGHT NOW.

Yeah. Saw that after I posted. I kind of post as I catch up.

[Andrej]

Gmen looking pretty good tonight.

 

You should be happy Yates.

[Yates]

Any time I see Nassib in mop up duty I'm happy.

 

I will confess that I thought we needed to sign a TE bad this offseason. I didn't see Donnell coming at all. And he's been awesome [even accounting for the fumble last Sunday].

 

I felt like Jennings might be a good fit but thought we whiffed when we drafted Beckham JR instead of Zach Martin - given the craptastic situation at the OLine - and he might not see running lanes. Little did I know he doesn't actually need a lane. He's been redicudonk.

[Yates]

FWIW - I would have liked Aaron Donald with that pick as well. Our D still needs some help.

[Andrej]

I thought Dallas was going to take Donald, but I'm not unhappy with Zach Martin

[Andrej]

[v]Yates[/v]

[Andrej]

Unofficial VC 2

 

Yates (1): AJ

Hallia (1): Dice

Addi (2): Clov, Hallia

 

Not Voting: TG, GF, BFG, Yates, Key, Addi

[Clovdyx]

[unvote]

[v]Dice[/v]

 

Knowing that somebody lied about being mason, I have to assume that Addi is one of the town masons.  That puts her in the lockclear club with BFG and GF.  I still don't see how the play of TG or Andrej makes sense if either one of is mafia.  If I end up losing this because I got deepwolfed by a derpmove, I really don't care - congrats to whichever of them it is.  I'm obviously not going to vote for myself, which leaves my pool at

 

-Key

-Yates

-Hallia

-Dice

 

I'll be honest.  I'm tinfoiling on Yates pretty hard right now.  After the conviction he showed last game to proving AJ's read on TG wrong, along with his huge ISOs, I didn't have too much trouble clearing him as town later on (not so much early).  I don't feel he's really brought the same effort this game.  That being said, I can't see what scumteam he fits in.

 

 

 

I wouldn't necessarily mind having two wagons that are tied and force a rand between them just to see what happens.

Hally vs Lenlo, imo.

 

 

It would be stupid of him to propose that if the scumrolled was him, Len, and Hallia.  He looks really good once the flips come, but he's backing himself into a corner once the endgame claimphase comes.  That leaves Key and Dice.

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 3?
 

Len (2/7): AJ, TG
Key (3/7): Yates, Despot, GF
Des (2/7): Key, Clov
GF (3/7): Hally, Lenlo, Dice
 
 
Not Voting (1/12):
BFG
 
13 hours til night.

This should be current.

I'm okay with the lead wagons. I prefer Key over GF here though.

 

Key or Clov should unvote and vote Len imo. XD

 

 

This post doesn't make sense if the team was him/Key/Len.  As it is, there would have been a 50% chance his team takes a hit on a randolynch.  Me or Key moving to Len would put the odds up to 66% of one of his teammates dying, AND a Lenlo lynch wouldn't have helped Key either - she'd be losing a teammate, too.  

 

The only person that the play really suggests as a reasonable teammate would be Dice, but Yates has taken multiple stabs at him.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good start for D2.

What are the chances one of Hally/Dice is also scum with Lenlo? Lenlo being on the GF wagon makes analyzing the GF wagon a little more wifomy.

 

 

There's certainly scum in Key/Dice.

Hally and GF are impossible to read. GF is almost certainly Town. If not, he's the other Illuminati. Which actually, now that I think about it, gives Key a little more Town credit unless she's also Illuminati.

Kid gloves may need to come off with Addi on N2 or D3.

 

 

 

THIS ENTIRE POST

Two thumbs up.

Would read again.

Scum lean- Dice, Key

Only after GF voted Key to put her in the lead did Dice move to GF to also put him at 3. THIS does look bad however.

So I'm in a pickle. I feel like Lenlo scum spewed either Dice or Key. Possibly both. I seem to recall Lenlo including scum team mates in his scum "reads" in the past as scum. Can anyone fact check me on this assertion?

 

 

I also don't understand the distancing they would have been attempting with Dice's "threat" (for lack of a better word) to claim, which ultimately resulted in Dice lynching Yates for not understanding?  It seems like they would have been better served trying to get Dice cleared through it if they were teammates and going that route.

 

Basically, he doesn't make sense to be scum so I feel pretty good putting him to the side.  Unless somebody wants to bring up another candidate, I think it comes down to Key/Hallia/Dice for today.

[Clovdyx]

...You're kind of a jerk sometimes, AJ.    

 

(Joke, of course)

[Andrej]

@Key - Thanks for that. I forgot all about this post:

Key or Clov should unvote and vote Len imo.

I think this supersedes any other argument or concern you may have.I mean, your biggest concerns raised above are that my reads were changing as people were bringing up points. I'm a VT. My reads will change. Especially on Day 1. In other words, you seem to be suggesting I might be scummy even though the evidence you raise explicitly suggests Town play. lol

You realize advocating for Len to be lynched isn't really that clearing, right?

 

Especially when your vote stayed parked on Key the majority of D1 for seemingly a joke where you just bolded a bunch of words in her post.

 

I'm also getting the vibe you're hanging back this game which I don't like at all. You seem more focused on claims and talking about theory than actually interrogating people.

[Andrej]

@ Clov

 

I agree on Yates effort though. I've been noticing it for a while.

[Clovdyx]

@ Clov

 

I agree on Yates effort though. I've been noticing it for a while.

 

Yeah, I saw your comment earlier and thought it was a fair point.  I didn't like how little I had for him in my notes.  I don't see anything in the ISO that makes me think he's absolutely lock clear, but there's enough there that I can't piece the puzzle together.  

 

What were your potential teams for him when you lynched him?

[Andrej]

Yates/Hallia/Dice wins this imo

 

I wasn't feeling good about Key D1 but seeing her later postings I don't think she's as polished as she would be as Mafia. I'm not basing this read on activity or volume of her posts because she's clearly capable as either alignment to look busy but more so on the emotion I get reading her. Wouldn't say frustration is necessarily a town tell, but in this case that's where my gut is leaning.

 

Clov I feel your progression has been organic this game and some of the things you've done irt me/TG I'm not sure you'd do as a wolf. If you have, then bravo cause that was some deeply psychological play. Not interesting in lynching you today though.

 

TG I feel is town this game. Can't see his motivation bussing Illuminati D1 and he's picked up on things here and there that I think look good for him as well.

 

That leaves me with those other 3.

 

Yates seems to be slanking.

 

Hallia is snippy and has made some moves I feel are within her scum meta

 

Dice has me a little boggled with some of the stuff he's said/done. I wasn't a fan of his voting D1 nor the justifications he's used

[Andrej]

Len?

 

Tbh I don't normally try to piece together stuff like that D1 until after I have a flip.

 

A lot of my better analysis comes after the D1 lynch when I can compare voting patterns to the coroner and how they relate.

[Andrej]

Unofficial VC 3

 

Yates (1): AJ

Hallia (1): Dice

Addi (1): Hallia

Dice (1): Clov

 

Not Voting: TG, GF, BFG, Yates, Key, Addi

[Andrej]

I like all three of those wagons.

 

Hallia looks poopoo for still voting Addi who should be more or less a vetted Mason just based on numbers. No progression there although she suspects several people.

 

At this point I'd almost be willing to say that whoever flips mafia out of Hallia/Dice likely clears the other.

[Andrej]

Oh yeah, posting your notes was also a ++ for you Clov.

 

Unless you just faked them all. And in that case we're not friends anymore for tricking me

[Clovdyx]

I like all three of those wagons.

 

Hallia looks poopoo for still voting Addi who should be more or less a vetted Mason just based on numbers. No progression there although she suspects several people.

 

At this point I'd almost be willing to say that whoever flips mafia out of Hallia/Dice likely clears the other.

 

Honestly, I was thinking Hallia/Dice were the most likely for the remaining mafia.  I don't see Yates being one for the reasons I already mentioned, and Key would be the last question mark I have.  I'm good lynching either of them today though.

[Andrej]

Hmmm it's possible. Could be trying to distance from each other today with their earlier spat.

 

Hallia votes Dice. Dice votes back.

 

Plausible.

 

You think all 3 would pile on GF at EOD as a sort of Hail Mary to save Len though? Why not just vote one of the other wagons?

[Clovdyx]

Hmmm it's possible. Could be trying to distance from each other today with their earlier spat.

 

Hallia votes Dice. Dice votes back.

 

Plausible.

 

You think all 3 would pile on GF at EOD as a sort of Hail Mary to save Len though? Why not just vote one of the other wagons?

 

I didn't think about that.  Let me go look at how it evolved again.

[Andrej]

LMK. I'm phone posting so looking back will be a pain.

 

As I remember it Len, Despot, and Key were all sitting at 2.

 

Hallia started the GF wagon which Len joined and made four wagons at 2.

 

BFG votes Len which put him the in the lead again. 3/2/2/2

 

GF votes Key. 3/3/2/2

 

Dice comes in and throws down his YOLO vote on GF (scum claim???) which then made it 3/3/3/2

 

Wasn't until GF switched to Len again that he was in the lead, which was the final count.

 

Len (4): AJ, TG, BFG, GF

GF (3): Hallia, Len, Dice

Key (2): Yates, Des

Despot (2): Clov, Key

Clov (1): Addi

 

/sharp memory

[Andrej]

Somebody mentioned it was typical of Len to leave scum in his scum/null list

 

Yates was simply "null" in context and his scum read on Dice was just regurgitated info that Despot had brought up with the fake scum hunting angle.

 

Len/Yates/Dice seems plausible.

 

I think Hallia still looks scummy but I could just be wrong. I've failed reading her many times in the past.