[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Hallia]

Im with Des on that.

[Arsis]

We're a few hours till deadline. I'm good with krak/turi/tsb lynch

 

 

I wouldnt cry if we lynched Darthe or pral.

[hazelkrs1]

Im with Des on that.

JOIN MEH HALLEH

 

[Tommyrod]

 

I'm not seeing Darthe as scum. I'm hoping to not be hilariously wrong but I'm really confident he's town.

Forget your prior read- just off the stuff I just pointed out, his CFD vote, activity surges around deadline, reassuring the CFD oddness- how would that look to you?

 

 

I'm not saying you can't maintain suspicion of him, but he's had so many townie Darthy posts that I'd be sooooooo impressed if he were scum. I would have to find an entirely new way to read him.

[Arsis]

What's the vc? Krak and turi should have similar amounts of votes.

[TheSlenderMan]

WHELP definitely won't have time for all these pages.

 

If Pral isn't the leading wagon right now, someone should TL;DR me the why behind it.

[TheSlenderMan]

Well Turi and Krak probably ARE the second- and third-best alternatives, if Arsis' post just now is true.

[Tommyrod]

I'm doing a vote count now. For YOU!

[Cory Caboose]

I'm also doing a VC

[TheSlenderMan]

For me is my favourite reason for anything.

[Arsis]

WHELP definitely won't have time for all these pages.

 

If Pral isn't the leading wagon right now, someone should TL;DR me the why behind it.

Where did you go? I had you a strong town day 1 then a big fizzle.

[Cory Caboose]

Official Vote Count:

 

Krakalakachkn (4) - Tomstress, Arsis, TI, Darthe

TI (2) - Krakalakachkn, GleMeri

Pralaya (1) - TheSlenderMan

Tomstress (2) - Yates, Halligeddon

Darthe (2) - Pralaya, Despothera
TSB (1) - manbat

 

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to majority!

 

Deadline:

 

 

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe (1) - Halligeddon

Krakalakachkn (2)- manbat, TI

TI (5) - Krakalakachkn, Tomstress, Arsis, Despothera, GleMeri

Pralaya (1) - TheSlenderMan

Tomstress (1) - Yates

 

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to majority!

 

Deadline:

 

 

 

 

 

Yates is voting me? LolYates

Let me help you.

[unvote]
[V]Tommy[/v]

 

 

 

Lol tommy lynch?

 

Nope.

 

[v] TI [/v]

 

I'm still like 60% on them (since NOBODY gave a damn about my analysis or commented on what they saw there) maybe a bit higher now, but IMO this lynch is warranted.  Also how is Arsis still off the table? 

 

 

I know I'm Town. It doesn't seem to count for toffee as a reason not to Lynch

[unvote]
[V]Darthe[/v]

 

 

 

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On the other hand, nobody appears to be defending you. Except maybe Pral

Eh? I don't think I "defended" them. Yeah, I read them town though. If reads means defending.


[V]Darthe[/v]

Willing to vote Yates or Arsis too, my other two scum reads. Planning to reply to Yates why I find him scum but had a busy at work and will do tomorrow.

 

 

 

[unvote]

[v]Krak[/v]

Krak please contribute more if you're town

 

 

We doing this? I'm down. [unvote] [v]krak[/v]

I was on him since his scummy intro eod.

 

 

[unvote]

[V] krak [/v]

 

 

[unvote]

[v]TSB[/v]

 

 

Dammmiiiiiiiiittttt. [V] krak [/v]

Fire is cookin

 

 

CFD on Darthe imo

[unvote]

[V]Darthe[/v]

 

Votes are inside the spoiler.
 

Unofficial VC:

Krakalakachkn (4) - Tomstress, Arsis, TI, Darthe
TI (2) - Krakalakachkn, GleMeri
Tomstress (2) - Yates, Halligeddon
Darthe (2) - Pralaya, Despothera
Pralaya (1) - TheSlenderMan
TSB (1) - manbat

 

Not Voting (3): Dice, TSB, SickPuppets

 

WTF happened here? lol

[Tommyrod]

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin[/v]

[hazelkrs1]

@Mods: Will we be receiving any word on TSB/Swag?

[Cory Caboose]

sick xpost tomtom

[hazelkrs1]

Interestingly enough the only truly clean wagon is the one on Pray lol

[Tommyrod]

Yates has had his vote on me for almost 48 hours.

 

I'm reading through now. Decided to stop at this post because something is bothering me.

Go and look back at who were trying to nudge against Tommy end of D1- Yates, Darthe, Arsis, Krak

This isn't just at Pral since a few of you have accused me of "nudging" Tommy yesterday. I think you were missing my point. My concern wasn't that I thought Tom was scum. My concern was that a lot of people were white knighting him for no reason. THAT was my concern. I had Tommy fully null. Fully. And I typically have him read sooner. So if *I* wasn't reading him, I wanted to know what others were seeing. And, ftr, I only saw Hally answer that question.

With that said, I do have growing concerns about Tommy. I think his push on Pral looked pretty forced. I was trying to "catch" him making up meta on Pral at EOD. I suppose it's conceivable that he took the time to research Pral - exhaustively - and noticed something weird in Pral's wording as Town vs Scum. But then I thought - maybe I'm just lazy but who has the time to do something like that on a whole huge player base? To me, this started to look like scum creating a narrative to push a mislynch.

Another thing I look for is bizzaro logic. Logic that I can't see coming from experienced Town. Some people just think outside the box or differently from me. I get that. I try very hard to see the Town motivation in a different perspective. But sometimes that perspective still looks shady. Tommy's poisoner theory is just WAY too out there to possibly be legit. I can't see an experienced mafia player - with the information we have - acting like a poisoner SK doesn't make sense when I'm fairly sure that would be the FIRST assumption one would make. Post in question:

The way I've seen it done in the past is both scum and town get a poisoner and town has a healer. So scum tries to poison a wolfy villager so that the townie doesn't know which one to heal.

Poisoning TG is just such an odd choice for the main mafia faction. Poison ME, at least. Don't poison TG. He claimed miller. Scum doesn't kill millers. So I would guess the poisoner is third and this is a WF-esque game that Cory designed and we have like 2 or 3 indies. I don't know if a poisoner SK even make sense though, so maybe the poisoner is scum and they thought either TG was getting cleared by people too easily due to his claim or thought he was lying? I don't know, but something's stupid about this situation if we do have a healer.

I pretty much had Des caught in a game that was just cancelled because of him using fail logic. Remember this post, Des?

 

 

If so that makes lynching TG such an absurdly obvious pick it's crazy. Either we get two scum for the price of one, or we get a confirmed townie and make it so the Seer doesn't have to out themselves viewing either one of you

This is terrible for multiple reasons:
1. Who cares about the Seer? Weakest version of "cop" in the history of mafia games ever. Literally can not nail a guilty OR innocent in this game.
2. I don't think our mason pairs should claim. Like. Ever.
3. In your scenario where I *am* Masons with TG, if you lynch TG I would be confirmed Town and thus the obvious NK with no protection role. How is that PRO TOWN?

That was probably the scummiest post of the Day phase.

 

 
You're actually right on pretty much all that stuff. I do disagree on #2 since I think it would DEF be protown to get something like that out in the open (scum would be more afraid of linking themselves and town masons will be confirmed by their partner's death so scum wouldn't want to kill them) but that point is moot today
 
But yeah I think I wasn't really thinking there, especially bout how with no protection gaining a conftown doesn't help us whatsoever
 
So I retract that line of thought

 

One final thing of note is I typically find it weird for people to push cases on anyone afk. I gave this a little more slack, too, when Tommy tried the CFD on Pral since it WAS near deadline. But, again, this is a tactic Des *just* employed in that last game against TG and I called him out on it. It was easier for me to fight him on that in that game since TG was my mason buddy, but I have no clue what Pral is. So I just took note and waited for the flips to come in. That's actually why I asked Tommy about his Pral "case" first thing this day phase. It seemed like he had "forgotten" about it.

In summary, you people lock clearing Tommy have some explaining to do because he's scum.

[v]Tommyrod[/v]

Also, if you look at Des in that game versus Des in this game - he treats popular and unpopular opinions very differently. He is almost certainly Town here. My Des reads are pretty above average these days.

 

 

 

 

I guess if I were you I'd be more suspicious of me leading a CFD on you "when I knew you wouldn't be around."

Right? No? Am I wrong?

You're right. I'm more suspicious of you. Also, for forgetting about your case this morning.

 

 

 

 

Yates is gonna vote me because I skimmed through some of Pral's prior games and because I said serial killer poisoner with a town healer makes no sense.

Okay Yates. THATS COOL.

Yup. Pretty much. What made you even THINK to look for something like that? How would you know where to look to begin with? THAT is what I find suspicious as heck.

Also, not sure why you are assuming we have a healer. Maybe Csarmi is trying to run a gambit? Why would you even begin to believe that claim? Does not fit with how you have responded to claims in the past. What you *should* know - and all you should know - is that someone got poisoned. You are experienced enough that when you see someone is poisoned, the first version of poisoner you should think of is the absolute most common one - third party poisoner. It would be like seeing a flip with a slit throat. Would you start talking about how there's probably a vig?? Or would you go with common thought and assume we likely have an SK? Sure, that's a straw man but it is absolutely applicable here.

 

 

 

 

Talk about Turin. Take a stance.

I'm not interested in Turin. I'm interested in you. And I'm interested in the people lock clearing scum.

 

 

 

 

Yates, every time you ignore my completely valid points and focus on inconsequential fragments of the game to push me, you take another step into "being too narrow minded to be town" territory.

Look, I'm trying to determine your alignment. And I'm trying to determine how others determined your alignment. There's nothing narrow minded about that.

I will concede that it appears you guys [per TG - the one poisoned] do not assume 3rd party poisoner. So I'll withdraw that point. It just struck me as odd. Also, as I reread that weird narrative, I feel like I'm not really sure WHAT you are saying about the poisoner anymore. Your logic is pretty circular there. Are you saying you think the poisoner is scum or third party or 2nd faction or what? I'm confused.

 

Can I get opinions on this progression please?

 

 

 

[TheSlenderMan]

Huh, interesting.

 

If Despot's Vote on Darthe is based on the Krak-vote I don't get it.

 

Especially since Pral is on that 'wagon'.

 

And the Pral-wagon has fizzled out for the umpteenth time in this game.

 

TSB gon' get Modkilled soon, rite? Why even consider CFDing him?

[Tommyrod]

Rule #9: If you don't have the time to play, expect to be replaced or forcibly hydra'd. There is no post requirement, but expect me to be kind of a butthole about inactivity.

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[hazelkrs1]

I'd still be down for a Yates CFD. Darthe going quiet once I started shifting focus to him tho is telling

[Arsis]

Tsb is probably scum on a smallish scum team which makes Cory hesitant to kill him.

[Arsis]

I'd still be down for a Yates CFD. Darthe going quiet once I started shifting focus to him tho is telling

3/3/3 screw it why not. Let's see what happens.

 

 

[unvote] [v]Darthe[/v]

[Tommyrod]

With that said, I do have growing concerns about Tommy. I think his push on Pral looked pretty forced. I was trying to "catch" him making up meta on Pral at EOD. I suppose it's conceivable that he took the time to research Pral - exhaustively - and noticed something weird in Pral's wording as Town vs Scum. But then I thought - maybe I'm just lazy but who has the time to do something like that on a whole huge player base? To me, this started to look like scum creating a narrative to push a mislynch.

Another thing I look for is bizzaro logic. Logic that I can't see coming from experienced Town. Some people just think outside the box or differently from me. I get that. I try very hard to see the Town motivation in a different perspective. But sometimes that perspective still looks shady. Tommy's poisoner theory is just WAY too out there to possibly be legit. I can't see an experienced mafia player - with the information we have - acting like a poisoner SK doesn't make sense when I'm fairly sure that would be the FIRST assumption one would make.
 

 

This is part of Yates's post where he voted for me. There's a lot of rhetoric here, it's more like he's storytelling than scumhunting. If he has to take two paragraphs to say "I don't think Tom would research people's meta as town" and "Tommy should know better than to say the poisoner wouldn't be SK" [NEITHER OF WHICH ARE GOOD POINTS ANYWAY], then there's a problem.

 

[Tommyrod]

A SCUMMY PROBLEM.