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[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

Pralaya

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hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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I'm caught up.  Thoughts incoming.

 

Tommy and AJ remain LockClear.

 

Despo is >rand to be scum.  His constant "don't suspect me guys or my WiM will just drop and I won't want to play" is a cop out.  That and looking back to his spat with Tommy I remain by what I said, Tommy consistently gave Despo outs by stating "But if you were town you would be doing this" and Despo took those actions.  He was town!telling for a bit after the Tommy spat ended but then his recent chat about his WiM looks bad.  Especially because it was so hypocritical.  I've seen Despo talk about how he purposely tries to get under people's skin in order to put them off balance and get tells out of them.  And then in post 1900 he talks about how Tommy was only doing it to get under his skin and that isn't cool.  That and I always tinfoil when people say "but I would do this as scum" when he talks about how he uses AtE (p.96). 

 

Kates looks bad and I'm waiting to see something to convince me otherwise.  Else Kates is >>rand to be scum today.  I don't need to rehash.

 

Lan is my 3rd candidate for scum.  I'm willing to give the replacement here time to prove himself, but I can't get over the taste it left in my mouth when Arsis stated "I do this as scum" and the proceeded to do exactly that about saying he'd replace out and not.  He finally did so w/e, but I dont' like it.

 

Most of my other reads haven't changed, Thane is clean, no clue about DT but his hugely and sudden improved engagement worries me, CS is likely town.  Only person I need to go back and look hardcore at is Vos as he's said a few things that sketched me out.

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Tommy with the GF gone game is over just divide up the players shoot/cop wise.

 

You're welcome to cop me BTW if you don't believe me.

csarmi Spam Master

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I think Krak is town. His tone was clear which i associate with his town game.

 

I had Arsis as town and Lan's posts didn't discourage me.

 

I won't pretend I can read DT cause I can't. Higher involvement may be due to him being more familiar here (acclimatized) or getting scum. Gut says town.

 

AJ looks townie, only hesitate on him in endgame if ever.

 

Tommy and Vos confirmed town.

 

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I have some tinfoil on Despo. BFG lost her towie points by not addign anything more. Thane confirmed town to me due to D1 mechanics.

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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Decided to put off housework for a bit longer and do some spewhunting, since TG is the first flip that should have some valuable spew (didn't look for all the people he townspewed, but it's a lot, including myself and Vos and a few others but anyways)

 

Wil just spoiler what I found to be the relevant posts, but just as a warning they won't be in chronological order

 

 

 

He was talking about CSarmi.  But where he came in and started to attack CSarmi and then Des calling him locktown reads as "so obv scum that scum wouldn't do that" type of play.  Kinda like a coordinated double hammer.

 

Where he's talking about Dice "chainsaw defending" me by attacking Csarmi. Ironic if scummy TG was actually the one chainsaw defending Csarmi lol

 

I'm extremely hungover and just got back from sweating alcohol out my pores at the rock gym.  Life is good, life is good.

 

Tommy - LOCKTOWN.  Not sure if I believe your cop claim and acting like nobody can question it is bad play, especially if you really are town.  Play so far hasn't been bullying IMO, but been rough.  As for town leading, DM mafia is more than happy to have town lead and follow that, but not if the person says "follow me and all my plans and don't even dare question me or you're scum." 

Loses some locktown status for not pointing out some other obvious scumclaims from Des, but I'll forgive him because you can only beat a dying horse so dead.  My tinfoil helmet says that could be early Kivam's gambit, but my gut says no. 

 

Des - Scum.  Catching up the one thing I noticed from Des wasn't the bad logic (not a scum or towntell from Des, that's just Des) or the emorage, it was the fact that everytime Tommy said something like, "You're acting like scum because as town you would do actionX" Des would suddenly do actionX a couple posts later, e.g. voting, etc.  There was something else that was a obv scumslip, but I need to go back and find it. 

EDIT: Oh yeah, Des' comment about how "CSarmi always acts like this as town, but *maybe* this game he is doing it as scum.  Watching him!" was just gross.

 

AJ - I feel like AJ is being cagey so far, which doesn't really tell me scum or town.  I'll give him town points for his reaction to Des/Tommy because he seemed like annoyed town over wasting gametime and info on what he viewed as a waste.

 

Thane - Play is similar to what I've seen from townThane in previous games.  Not interested in lynching him at this point.

 

CS - Townlean.  Normally CS scumhunting is more like data analysis.  And the emo thing was mentioned already.

 

Dice, Key - They said things.  Don't remember what.

 

And for Arsis.

 

Arsis - Arsis was almost my #1 LockTown all game until he said he was replacing out........and then kept posting.  If he actually PM'd the mod about replacing out then he is out.  Stop posting.  If that was a lie, then it is a 100% fake emorage and Arsis is tops of my scum pile.  Is Arsis in or out?

 

[v]Des[/v]

 

 

 

I don't remember dice this game tbh. What was so scummy about him?

 

His chainsaw defense of Des (assuming Des!Scum) by attacking CSarmi and the interaction of Des pointing out how townie Dice was.

 

 

 

 

Starting to catch up. This sounds like Scumspothera.

 

 

Can you explain why to me?  I read it as slight town since it is something Des always says (null) and the emotion behind it reads slightly town aggravated.

 

 

^some of the very little interaction TG and Csarmi actually had this game. Early on TG was townreading me even tho he soft pushed me a bit, wasn't until later on that he started listing me as a serious scum candidate

 

 

 

trying to figger out where i defended Des as TG says.  Is this it? Cause im not sure id class that as defending des as much as i would answering hallia.

 

Chainsaw defense means that you attack the person attacking the other person.

 

As in, CSarmi was attacking Des, and you come in and attack CSarmi.

 

 

 

 

Tom peeked you guilty.

We're just waiting on someone to hammer.

 

Cool.  Sounds like we're all having fun then.

 

 

^Funny since he was GF

 

:laugh:

 

How I imagine CSarmi right now

 

Listening+to+awesome+music+while+high_a6

 

 

 

yea I wish

 

Is it more like this?

 

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More of their interaction

 

 

Gonna have to break it into two parts

 

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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Pt 2:

 

 

 

Hmmm, thought I'd posted this before work.



A cursory analysis says that Tommy and Hallia are likely town, this isn't just claims. Tommy is more abrasive than I've seen when he's mafia, I liked Hallia's early posting against Des. Claim wise unless a ST, Ninja, non GF type mafia ilk role flips, Tommy's claim is solid and the way that Hallia claimed makes me lean town.

After that I'm mixed on almost everyone.

Des seems a bit meh, his early game play seemed to be observations over actual game play, and he completely over reacted to Tommy, I have literally no idea where he gets Tommy 'obfuscating' from. In terms of emo rage it was also fairly null. Early on seemed to be reading Hallia/Tommy as mafia, but mostly dropped Hallia while arguing with Tommy, comparatively Tommy was still questioning both and anyone else who posted. Also had Krak as mafia and did nothing to follow it up. I really don't like his 'reasons' for being off, particularly where he says that he hasn't played for a while, given that he was playing Mynd's Avengers game a few weeks ago. I also need to reread to see where Des changes, I remember his switch between trololol Tommy's mafia to 'ignore' seemed abrupt and around the time of the claim, which seems a little strange. Overall leaning mafia.

If Des did flip mafia I'd argue that Dice was Town as there was a bit where Des seemed to be Role hunting from him.

Csarmi is a tough read this time. However his self vote seemed calculated rather than emotional which is at odds to how he normally plays. His quick backing off of Des also doesn't look good, but makes mafia/mafia unlikely. How he's posting his observations is town Csarmi, but I've never seen mafia Csarmi so I don't know what the differences are, he's also pretty confident that Hallia and I will read him as town. Need to reread as my thoughts change quickly.

Thane is making my hackles rise. Starting with the 'I'm often seen as scummy and lynched early' as the last time I saw this he was mafia symp. More worryingly he isn't asking any of the questions I associate with Town Thane from OUAT. I've seen a lot of meta defence and almost no mafia hunting. Likely mafia.

AJ's generally making good points, think he caught the Des and Krak interaction, but don't remember it being followed up on.

TG's recent posts are great. Town read.

Think Lenlo said something about new and improved but don't recall anything from him.

As of now Des, Thane, Lenlo aren't looking good wtl..





Out of time as I have to run for work, I'll be back in 12ish hours for a proper read through and to post the things I've forgotten :)

 

Found this while spewhunting TG. TG mentions BFG much less than Csarmi, makes me think BFG is actually more likely to be his teammate tbh

 

 

The fact is I wish I could MOVE my body. Which I can hardly do. Spine problems you know.

 

No, I didn't know.

 

 

 

 

This is really frustrating. Most of the proposed lynches for today are slankers. That always makes me uncomfortable because they're low accountably / low hanging fruit and people haven't interacted with them so there's little to no spew to be gained anyway, e.g. BFG.

 

How is BFG a lynch candidate? 

 

 

Early soft defense of BFG

 

 

Can someone explain why Arsis is on the verge of MKing himself, I don't recall anything from the thread to give that sort of reaction?

 

I'll let someone else give their opinion since mine is well known. 

 

 

I believe this was actually the only thread interaction TG and BFG actually had

 

 

Not that much into a BFG-lynch. She's always quiet, and i'd like to give her a chance to become a bit more active.

 

 

not helping town at all... and not convinced by the few posts he did make.  

 

 

it's unlike Darthe not to check in. I dunno if it's RL issues, but i'd suspect him to be actively playing otherwise

 

So to be clear, Darthe hasn't checked in and therefore you're ready to lynch, but BFG hasn't checked in and you don't want to lynch her.  Explain to me the difference in your thought process for these two because I don't see it.

 

 

Kinda strange- TG was using Thane's stance to try and make him look bad, but in the process would he talk this way about two teammates?

 

It's like chainsaw defending Darthe while soft pushing BFG (not really but in principle sorta) even tho TG was hard bussing Darthe after a bit and soft defended BFG.

 

Weird.

 

 

it's unlike Darthe not to check in. I dunno if it's RL issues, but i'd suspect him to be actively playing otherwise

 

Would you be behind a BFG lynch?

 

 

 

 

I feel like a BFG lynch is an exactly =rand lynch and that means more likely to lynch town. No?

 

I'm not asking you.  I'm asking Thane.

 

 

This was the setup to that last bit btw. So I think it was roundabout chainsaw defending of BOTH Darthe and BFG, even tho he later went into bussing Darthe.

 

Almost everything is wrong about that post.  Arsis, or his alt Lan, looked terribad at that point, so I can't fault Des for that.  But everything else.  Fencesitting/soft-pseudo FOSing on Thane, CS, and Lenlo.  Calling out his teammate Darthe to start posting to save himself from being a lynch candidate, weak meta about Krak, and everything about Key.

 

^one of the few times he mentions Krak, soft defending him

 

 

I know that but it's not like he's stepped out of character. He hasn't posted much. To my eye Krak has way more of a difference in intensity than DT does. So what's the big difference that you see

 

I dont' remember DT ever having a multi-quote post in previous games and actually responding.  Do you?

 

 

The way TG was soft pushing DT for a while clears DT for me I think

 

I think you're reaching Krak. 

 

 

[unvote][v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

Is that a soulread?

 

Interesting bit- Krak fos's Hallia for "lolololol", TG says Krak is reaching, Krak responds in what could be wolfy lulz interaction on thread, and TG never actually responds to this.

 

Hrmmmmmm

 

 

What are people's thoughts on Krak btw

AJ, TG, Hallia, since you're here: town or scum on Krak?

 

I just kept waiting for him to finish his catch up and engage real time.  He only did that for like, 3 posts.  His questioning of Vos seemed pretty on point to me.

What are yours? 

 

 

One of the other few times TG mentions Krak

 

 

 

csarmi Spam Master

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I die if I kill Town btw.

 

That's my negative utility.

 

Think I can stay perfect? :baalzamon:

ouch

 

then don't shoot me

 

@AJ - cause I was supposed to block her

 

can you holster?

hazelkrs1 Spam Master

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I die if I kill Town btw.

 

That's my negative utility.

 

Think I can stay perfect? :baalzamon:

 

That's awesome lol

 

I think Krak is town. His tone was clear which i associate with his town game.

 

I had Arsis as town and Lan's posts didn't discourage me.

 

I won't pretend I can read DT cause I can't. Higher involvement may be due to him being more familiar here (acclimatized) or getting scum. Gut says town.

 

AJ looks townie, only hesitate on him in endgame if ever.

 

Tommy and Vos confirmed town.

 

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I have some tinfoil on Despo. BFG lost her towie points by not addign anything more. Thane confirmed town to me due to D1 mechanics.

 

:rolleyes:

 

You're such a douchenozzle Csarmi

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