[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[Tyler Glembo]

[v]Des[/v]

[Tommyrod]

 

 

TG where are you seeing "huge improvement" from DT?

From previous games to this game.

I know that but it's not like he's stepped out of character. He hasn't posted much. To my eye Krak has way more of a difference in intensity than DT does. So what's the big difference that you see

[Tommyrod]

 

 

TG - First choice for lynch?

By who I find scummy? Des 1st, Kates 2nd.

 

By #gamesolve and info, Kates 1st, Des 2nd.

Do you think Des would be coming in and dropping thoughts organically like he has if he was scum and 2 of his bros just died? That would be depressing as heck if I was scum. I would lose WIM big time. Huge comeback required.

[Tyler Glembo]

I know that but it's not like he's stepped out of character. He hasn't posted much. To my eye Krak has way more of a difference in intensity than DT does. So what's the big difference that you see

 

I dont' remember DT ever having a multi-quote post in previous games and actually responding.  Do you?

[Tyler Glembo]

Do you think Des would be coming in and dropping thoughts organically like he has if he was scum and 2 of his bros just died? That would be depressing as heck if I was scum. I would lose WIM big time. Huge comeback required.

 

Are you even reading?  Des WiM sank like a tiny pebble in a sad sad stream.  And he has since been flagellating it like crazy to get it to come back up while constantly telling people it might go right back down.

[Tommyrod]

 

I know that but it's not like he's stepped out of character. He hasn't posted much. To my eye Krak has way more of a difference in intensity than DT does. So what's the big difference that you see

I dont' remember DT ever having a multi-quote post in previous games and actually responding. Do you?

Tron maybe? I would have to look. But it's pretty sad if him showing 5% effort puts him out of his usual town range of 2% lol

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Do you think Des would be coming in and dropping thoughts organically like he has if he was scum and 2 of his bros just died? That would be depressing as heck if I was scum. I would lose WIM big time. Huge comeback required.

Are you even reading? Des WiM sank like a tiny pebble in a sad sad stream. And he has since been flagellating it like crazy to get it to come back up while constantly telling people it might go right back down.

I honestly haven't noticed what you're talking about.

[Tyler Glembo]

Besides, I don't see Des as ever getting to the point of emo-quit even if a couple of his scumbros died.  I can see him taking a moment to recover and, once his ego gets back, thinking he is gonna go HAM and win the game by himself.

[Tyler Glembo]

Tron maybe? I would have to look. But it's pretty sad if him showing 5% effort puts him out of his usual town range of 2% lol

 

Maybe.  I just treat him like NB.  I expect scum to shoot him half way through the game since it will be an info-less kill.  If that doesn't happen, lynch him.

[Tommyrod]

Btw with a cop and deputy (backup right?) it's nearly guaranteed we have a GF right?

[Tyler Glembo]

For instance- at the very start of this game, I had just ridiculous amounts of WIM. I was all about getting out thoughts and observations instantly and kickstarting the game into super cereal mode as soon as possible. Instead, I caught a lot of flak early on or what I felt was dubious reasons. That was the start of me getting heated, but I did start to cool down again.

 

Then Tommy basically started trolling me with the "shook" thing. I warned him to cut that shit, he didn't, so I put him on iggy. Then after THAT I felt multiple people were ganging up on me for absolutely dogshit reasons considering Tommy was the one antagonizing me.

 

THAT'S what caused my meltdown.

 

So basically in the future if you play with me, if there is legit reason for a lot of people to suspect me, I'll prob be fine with it. But if people are ganging up on me for bad reasons from my perspective, I'm def more likely to emorage.

 

Now, does this mean I won't sometimes use this to my advantage as scum and AtE now and then? No. I'm very aware of my meta and will abuse it when I see fit (AtE can be frustrating but IS part of the game). But still, something to consider when dealing with me in the future.

 

I can't read this quote without thinking A) His WiM took a dip and took a while to recover and  B) he's scumtelling by brazenly talking about how he manipulates AtE

[Tyler Glembo]

Btw with a cop and deputy (backup right?) it's nearly guaranteed we have a GF right?

 

You'd think so, but then were you RB'd last night or not?

[Krakalakachkn]

At this point I feel like it's going to be hard for mafia to bus, instead I feel like we're going to see clear stances taken and it's going to be hard to get scum to budge on them.  Organic flow will dissipate and forced thought will set in.

 

 

Key's ISO on my play does not look organic.  I see hedging and a slight narrative engagement bias.  I could better understand that bias if she had come to the conclusion that I was scum instead of 'sketchy,' but sketchy it is and the bias looks a bit forced.

 

 

Krak ISO looks sketchy.

In ironic fashion, argues against lynching Len because “has no good reason”. Says nothing after the five post ISO on darthe.
Unvotes and votes for Vos at a time when darthe and Len were vote leaders.

Votes for Len because he “doesn’t remember him posting a reason for him not to be around”.

Later states that Len is a slight scum read, but doesn’t mention why, or a reason for his view on Len changing. I suppose maybe it’s because he wasn’t around, but he doesn’t say that, nor did he say he thought it scummy when he voted him.

 

 

You have no interest in a no lynch and yet you vote Lenlo?

What's your problem with a Lenlo lynch??

 

I don't have a good reason to lynch him atm.

[darthe ISO by Tommy]


Maybe he really did shank his girlfriend?

How did everyone feel about Hallia's response to my vote?

Unvote Vote Vos

 

 

I propose that we lynch Despo.

Still?

 

Do you not want to?

 

I still think his desire to lynch Thane to "maybe feel better" about Salami is questionable.

Hallia, who was it that commented on you going "lololol?"

I have a secret scum lean on AJ at the moment.

Suspicious of Vos until his claim (his flavor claim sounded legit too) - still don't like his play though.

Suspicious (leaning scum) of Hallia and Des

Null to leaning scum on Thane, Lenlo

Neutral on Salami, Kates, DT, Dice, Darthe

Null to leaning town on BFG, Arsis

Leaning town on Tom and TG


I don't like my Salami, Arsis, or Thane leans/reads, but I think this best describes where I'm at right now.

Thane I feel like I'm going with the flow
Salami I am more likely to read >rand town despite 'evidence' that I'd call scum tells in other players
Arsis is kinda gut and I'd rather have a better idea of how to read him

Hallia - seeing as how firmly you think I'm scum, why would you not notice that it was me who called you out on lolololing? I feel like it would have stuck out to you in some manner.

It only took her a minute to find the quote which makes me think she knew where it was which makes me think she knew who said it which makes me think she didn't post my name originally because she wanted to distance from her read on me a bit so it wouldn't look like she was tunneling?


Hallia, tell me I'm over-thinking this and that I can trust you.

 

 

Not sure I trust your fellow voters.

But sure, why not, I don't trust enough people will come online within the next three hours. 

[unvote]

|v]Lenlo[/v]

Ok, hitting bed now.

Wait, what? Wouldn't bold be a better reason to vote for Len in the first place? Since he and Vos were tied with the most votes at this time.

 

Sorry, I either don't get the context or am not sure what you're pointing at. Could you expound a bit?

 

 

Problem is I know Lenlo was online so wouldn't mafia have had him claim something if they had fake claims?

He didn't even try.

Not if they want to sell Vos' claim really hard.

 

 

 

Emphasis on "arguing against lynching Len" instead of "questioned Len lynch" or "challenged Arsis on a washy vote." 

 

 

Good point on challenging my "Len null to scum lean" read, but doesn't go far enough.  Maybe I missed a question in a later post, but I don't see any challenging or intent at further action, merely presentation.

 

 

I also realize that Kates is a group target at the moment, so I must take momentary bias into my thoughts too. I'm not doing a good job at townreading so far this game.

 

 

 

@KEY

 

Do you think it's more likely that my early non-reaction to Lenlo and Darthe and subsequent comments are because I'm scum or because they had not presented any sort of valid play?

 

 

Also please respond with a clear answer as to whether you think I'm scum or town as I don't have time to search through the thread and don't have recent notes.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Tommy - Do you still believe Despo is 3rd party? 

 

[unvote][v]Kates[/v]

[Tyler Glembo]

Despo, are you 3rd party?  I'll take you off my WTL lyst for today if you are.

[Yates]

also nice attempt at wifom re: AJ SK

Something you/your team will need to consider after you've mislynched this slot.

[Tommyrod]

Right now I don't think Des is mafia faction and I'm having trouble following your thoughts on why he is, TG. That post you quoted about AtE sounds like a genuine attempt to explain his behavior to us, the other players, rather than to justify his actions and gain town cred. His last paragraph about still faking AtE when necessary doesn't sound scummy to me.

[Tommyrod]

Kates, if I had a dollar for every time you said or hinted at how you're going to flip town, I would have more than enough for four feet of subway sandwich.

[Yates]

It's mostly just up to the scum team to decide who to prioritize their NK on.

Yup.

[Yates]

Tommy, I care so little about what you think of me or yourself. AGAIN, please find scum. Try to clear question mark players. You know, typical townie stuff.

[Tyler Glembo]

Right now I don't think Des is mafia faction and I'm having trouble following your thoughts on why he is, TG. That post you quoted about AtE sounds like a genuine attempt to explain his behavior to us, the other players, rather than to justify his actions and gain town cred. His last paragraph about still faking AtE when necessary doesn't sound scummy to me.

 

My read on him mostly comes from the way he took outs during his early fight with you.  I'll pull quotes later. 

 

As for the still faking AtE explanation, it looks near lolcatty to me.  Why did he need to add that in?  Why mention it at all?  Why not explain his actions this game and roll with it?  Instead he proceeds to give us the what he would or wouldn't do as scum which always reads like a "I just can't help myself" to me.

[Yates]

When will then be now?

Soon.

[Tyler Glembo]

EBWOP: Kinda like how you double-hammered with Clov and then launched into the "I would/wouldn't do that as scum" justification in the Tron game.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

When will then be now?

Soon.

 

 

You have just won my heart.

[Yates]

-Counterpoint being, Kates still cares more about defending themselves than trying to find scum (also nice attempt at wifom re: AJ SK)

Reading is for winners.

 

- Point being, the probable RB is very likely one of the "clear" Townies.