[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[csarmi]

Also I was mafia in the second VS vanilla game, I think I was doing quite fine there in the first sitting, then it got reset. I got no link for that.

[csarmi]

There's actually only a few games missing, I haven't played much since my health issues.

 

There was the Holmes game in Black Tower (I was miller, I got lynched D3 but I was pardoned by Hally!GOAT). There was the game where I was hydra with BFG and you killed us (wise move) and lead Darthe astray. Also I replaced onto Darthe' s bastatd game (on BT, ended recently) where I was coroner and Mafia won.

[Andrej]

The Tinker/Tailor/Soldier/Spy might be fun to read and I lasted very long (our team was decimated by good town PR play).

 

Not to mention a slimy soab VT who almost got lynched D1 but instead went all the way to end game to seal the deal for Town

[Andrej]

You and I scummed in Peace's DM Poker Night too.

 

That was my first game as mafia.

[csarmi]

I faked a jailkeep on Rags to try and get him lynched (didn't succeed) then I night killed him (he flipped what he said he would) then somehow I stayed alive three more days...

[Andrej]

Wifom a'plenty that game.

 

Let's focus on this one though.

 

Who are you feeling particularly strongly about? In either direction. Both would be awesome.

[csarmi]

I haven't managed to re-read and I've been barely skimming the last two days. Busy at work.

 

I think wagonomics might just clear TG, Thane and Tommy. BFG is in town range for me, but not clear.

 

I believe your vig claim (in fact I caught your obvious PR hint D1).

 

Despo is still scum.

 

I think at most one of Des/Vos maybe scum.

 

I don't like Kate's. I actually agree with them on Darthe and Lenlo and I liked their d1 catch up but not so much this D2. Don't feel strongly about them. There's the Darthe spew wifom where he pairs them with me. Not sure why. Darthe is not bad at wifom.

 

I had Arsis as town lean.

 

No idea about Drunk. But he did push Len?

[csarmi]

Oh yes. I think Dice is town.

[csarmi]

I think I had a moment where I felt Krak was strong town but I've just completely forgotten him and his play.

[csarmi]

You and I scummed in Peace's DM Poker Night too.

 

That was my first game as mafia.

Yup. We won a flawless victory. But that game was very atypical and quite inactive. I don't feel we played particularly well its rather that town didn't really play.

[Andrej]

I wouldn't call it much of a hint

 

I straight up said I wanted to shoot one of you guys.

 

I think it's probably time you let go of your Despot scum read. I wouldn't say hard bussing is outside of his scum range but I think there were instances where he could've pushed harder for a mislynch. He did vote both Lenlo and Darthe throughout the Day so I think that's a plus for him.

 

I agree on Dice as well. Sort of agree on BFG. I liked her vote analysis although she's a smart cookie so I wouldn't consider data crunching a town tell necessarily.

 

Drunk listed Lenlo & Darthe as shady characters but also spun it on Krak somewhat for being hesitant about voting Len. I would consider him a suspect atm.

 

Krak as well for said interaction. There were some other things I didn't like about him irt how he was questioning people about Des - asking very specifically what they would think if Des flipped town. He also joined the Len wagon kinda late and his vote before then was on Hallia. If he isn't able to hold up his intensity now that two scum are dead I might start worrying.

 

Still kinda muddled on TG. Would like to see more from him.

[Andrej]

 

You and I scummed in Peace's DM Poker Night too.

 

That was my first game as mafia.

Yup. We won a flawless victory. But that game was very atypical and quite inactive. I don't feel we played particularly well its rather that town didn't really play.

That's true. A win is a win though

[csarmi]

That wasn't the hint I caught. The one around Tommy/Hally/Despo.

[csarmi]

Oh I see. I'll keep that in mind about Despo. I didn't review it from that angle yet at all.

[Drunk Tank]

Hey Drunk - my hand cannon may or may not be pointed at you.

 

What say ye?

 

It appears you were right about Darthe and Len looking bad for lurking.

 

Who do you think they other scum are?

 

Anyone you feel positively is likely to be town?

 

Tom and myself excluded.

I just picked lurkers at the moment and got lucky. I just wish I hadn't removed my vote later so I could helicopter my weener all over the place for catching scum.

 

My scum list is BFG , Vos, Csarmi or at least my current suspects of the players remaining. I don't really have any positively town other than you and Tommyrod.

[Pralaya]

Updated VC:

 

Kates (4): AJ, Thane, Dice, TOmmy

BFG (1) : Des

Krak (1): Lan

 

 

Not Voting: BFG, Kates, Csarmi, DT, TGlems, Vos, krak

 

Need 7 votes to lynch

 

Deadline is Friday at afternoon 12:30 PM EST.

 

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20140912T22&p0=438&msg=Woodstock+Day+2+end

[hazelkrs1]

Got a couple of quotes ready to reply to and other various thoughts, but first a quick thought-

 

While doing my reread I saw DT vote for Lenlo, was the only vote on Lenlo at the time, and it didn't look like a busvote to me at the time (didn't finish my reread tho) so I was actually ready to clear him for it

 

Then while catching up I saw AJ's thoughts on DT and it made me think of something...

 

What if DT is a Symp that was trying to signal his teammates? That seems to be all the rage lately for newb symps, and DT IS more engaged than most games but also doesn't have many clear connections to others (no one pushing him that hard or defending him) so symp would fit there somewhat, and if he DOES flip symp then that post of his that had both Lenlo and Darthe as scumreads could have the rest of his team as well

 

Kinda cheap, but I still felt it worth throwing out there

[Thane Vakarian]

hmm... well, a symp is possible. Would it be likely in this game? not so sure.

 

Still not entirely convinced that Kates is town, but willing to give a chance untill end day 2.

 

unvote

 

too many people not voting and a hammer would be a shame at this point.

 

Now... imo, the remaining scum can be found among Kates, BFG, Krak, TG and DT. 

[hazelkrs1]

My only thoughts regarding most of this activity is town violence. I see Lenlo and Darthe lurking super hard along with key (though there was an excellent post regarding, so moot). I find it interesting TGlems can stop in, make a post/vote and the lynch wagon takes off..../much ponder 

 

I'm just not convinced of Depsot's scummyness, but I have no interest in a no lynch.  His spaz reaction regarding Tommy and Hallia (alleged PR outing) was not scummy.

 

I like reading the posts and rereading the thread seeing each post as town and again as scum (the poster that is). Changes the flavor.  

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

This is the post I'm referring to. Mentions Lenlo and Darthe as lurkers, but they weren't really the only lurkers at the time... plus could he really have been that lucky? Key is obviously one that is under tons of suspicion (will give more thoughts in a bit), and then the last one he mentions here in this paragraph is TG, who is still on my scumdar. Plus he soft defends Key after bringing her up, then soft pushes TG...

 

That would make 4 scum plus a symp if my theory is correct, but if they're underpowered this scenario is def feasible.

 

Also for reference here's the post where DT unvotes Lenlo:

 

 

 

I'm the scummiest so far but I'm still town.

 

 

Lenlo should be the lynch because he is Lenlo and his defense was actually pretty scummy. Deflecting with a joke isn't a defense len.

Your right its not a defense. Theres nothing to defend against though Arsis. Your voting me as payback for killing you when you were a survivor. Im not gonna defend against something that was amusing for me to do in another game.

 

 

 

 

Lenlo, why do you think we should be townreading you?

You shouldnt be yet, cause ive done jack-all. Im trying to read through this thread right now and catch up but the amount of Tom/Des BS is making it annoying.

 

 

This I can understand.

Don't? Skip it?

Now this makes me unhappy.

 

I voted Lenlo mostly to drag him to this game and contribute because I regard lurkers as scummy. Now he's having to wade through all the spamtacular poo-poo nuggets with you suggesting skip it. Awesome!! 

 

Where is the skip point?? It's bad enough having to reread though all this crap looking for an out of place "if and or but" I can use as evidence. (sorry I'm ranty and running on caffeine and lack of sleep).

 

I'm going to give this some time to soak.

 

[unvote]

 

 

So right off the bat, bolded basically reeks. Looks entirely like a contrived reason to desert a train, especially if it was a bus or distance vote

 

Also checked the context, and after DT voted Lenlo Tommy and Arsis joined in, but then Tommy vote hopped again shortly after... and I can't remember if Arsis hopped off or not but he def kept Lenlo as a scum read. DT unvoted several pages later, after attention had died down on Lenlo already, but then it was a day later and timing was roughly the same so it might not have been scum waiting for good timing to unvote but simply when DT got back online.

 

Regardless this does seem to support my theory, and furthermore after reviewing DT's iso very briefly he certainly looks bad in aggregate. Does a lot of "joke" scumclaiming, and after bringing up Lenlo, Darthe, Key, and Yates early on, he basically never mentions them again.

 

/Very Convincing Thoughts

[Thane Vakarian]

don't forget TG *nods*

[Thane Vakarian]

well, seeing i wonder where he is, maybewe can get him in here for some interaction.

 

TG!

 

[hazelkrs1]

after bringing up Lenlo, Darthe, Key, and Yates early on, he basically never mentions them again.

Meant to say Lenlo, Darthe, Key, and TG there. My b yo.

 

And yeah, never mentions TG again.

 

As a quick aside- if I'm right WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY do symps keep thinking this is a good way to signal teammates?

 

 

I will prob never put a symp in a game I mod just to keep this from happening, seen that wreck soooo many scum teams

[hazelkrs1]

And might as well [unvote]

 

The BFG vote was a trap vote. Not saying I think she's clear or even townie looking, but I was hoping some opportunistic scummer might try fos'ing me for voting BFG today even tho I was hard pushing Kates last night. Also thought if Kates and BFG were scumbuddies that Kates might take the opportunity to distance from her, and I was going to analyze the vote to see if that was the case.

 

Regardless, iirc there aren't extremely long day phases so not much time for gambits. Anyhoo.

[Thane Vakarian]

so, basically, if DT turns symp, Kates and TG are next in line...

 

what if DT flips town though?

 

i agree that BFG is certainly not cleared, i haven't read anything yet to convince me she's town. Little hesitant about Krak..

[hazelkrs1]

Also, @Tommy: You should def still feel bad for how you antagonized me, but yeah I'm over it and cool with you again (took you off iggy btw, that was more of a bother for me than anyone else since I ended up reading your posts anyways).

 

And for the record- I meant what I said before irt that. Tommy was being an antagonistic ass but that really didn't rankle me that much, I just decided to put him on iggy so I WOULDN'T get pissed off. What REALLY sent me over the edge was all the people who found it funny to join in with him in trying to antagonize me (like Arsis and Csarmi, but then Csarmi is either a scum or a troll this game so he can get bent), or fosing me for my reaction to Tommy's antagonistic behavior (iirc TG and mebbe Krak but don't remember anymore) or people outright defending Tommy (Hallia, and that really stung since I know she is sensitive herself yet loves taking Tommy's side no matter what, even if he was legit out of line).

 

I know I can piss people off, and have an aggressive playstyle and act a little abrasive on purpose to create reactions, but Tommy with the "shook" thing wasn't him trying to gauge me- he was doing that solely for the purpose of getting under my skin, and that's just not that fun in mafia. Mebbe if it was in friendly jest, but it didn't come off that way to me.

 

Anyhoo.