[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[csarmi]

With that said I feel I played a very pro-town game and a clear one too, so I'm somewhat baffled by all the attention.

[Thane Vakarian]

well done on the Lenlo Lynch. That's one down. Now for theothers.

 

rereading as i go.

[csarmi]

Actually even if Vos is Mafia, the Len leaders look quite good cause honestly... I'm sure there were several ways to get town trains going.

 

Hmm.

[hazelkrs1]

Baffled? Really? Even tho you were one of the few Lenlo supporters, and your defense was kinda weak at that?

 

Your apparent reasoning for defending Lenlo is that you could read him easily further down the game. So he should be off the lynch table just because you can read him better later on?

 

That's terrible reasoning bro. Don't get me wrong, I could still possibly see you pushing that reasoning as town, but it doesn't change the fact that it's bad.

[Andrej]

Dice- exactly what I was looking for. Thanks

 

AJ- feel like you're town but that last wot is a head scratcher for me; you quote a post that if anything shows more of a connection to Lenlo, but then start talking yourself out of that connection and into a townread. Specifically on TG and BFG. I suspected TG before and already have found some posts of interest of his while rereading, so if anything I think he's worth looking into more now, and didn't have much on BFG but the points you make had me swaying towards possible suspect... even tho you said you wanted to townread her

I'm town this game bro.

 

I'd be more than happy to hear your thoughts on TG.

 

I'm not clearing BFG by any means and will still be wary of her until I see more. I get your point on the potential Len connection which is why I brought it up as the point that bugs me. Other than that I think she handled her suspicion of Thane in an organic way. In other words, I don't want to label her as scum just because she was wrong with a particular read.

[csarmi]

Okay I think we can prolly clear Tom, Thane and TG regardless of Vos.

 

Is my logic good or do I need an extra coffee?

 

@Des - Tommy said that the lynch events clear you. Why do you think he says that? What am I missing? Am I wrong about you this time?

 

:hopeful:

[Andrej]

Anyway - I'm going to bed now.

 

I'll have a bit of time in the morning before class and then again in the afternoon before my lab to read up and dig some more. I suggest until then everyone do the same!

[csarmi]

Baffled? Really? Even tho you were one of the few Lenlo supporters, and your defense was kinda weak at that?

 

Your apparent reasoning for defending Lenlo is that you could read him easily further down the game. So he should be off the lynch table just because you can read him better later on?

 

That's terrible reasoning bro. Don't get me wrong, I could still possibly see you pushing that reasoning as town, but it doesn't change the fact that it's bad.

Is it?

 

Would you lynch someone you can't read yet (but know from experience that you'll be able to - see Holmes game for instance), or would you look somewhere you feel more comfortable reading AND at someone more involved with more interaction.

 

Je regrets rien.

 

I'd never be comfortable lynching Lenlo in this situation. Kudos to those who had the surety and guts to get at him, but if I could go back in time I'd do the same thing.

[csarmi]

Actually you can't be serious about that being a bad reasoning.

 

Taking someone off the lynch table because you can read him better later IS a great, sensible way to play. Surely you don't meant it isn't? I've not gone mad right?

[csarmi]

I really hope I'm wrong about Despo being scum cause I like his non-wot, clearly formed posts this game. They're actually readable!

[hazelkrs1]

@Csarmi: I didn't see what Tommy said about the lynch events clearing me- but I doubt that's what he meant. Even Tommy knows my penchant for bussing as scum. I think it prob has more to do with what- AJ I believe? - quoted about how Lenlo's response to me looked too AtE to be wolf/wolf.

 

Regardless I don't really care if I'm "cleared" or not by Lenlo's flip, since that won't help me personally find any scum. I don't even know why you'd ask me about that.

 

As for your reasoning regarding Lenlo, yes, it is bad. Now, if there's someone I think I can read better later on, and I feel I have a very good scum candidate in front of me to lynch, then yeah I'll favor lynching that dude over the one I can read better later on.

 

But you specifically said Lenlo was off the lynch table for you because of that reasoning, and that's just bad. Turrible reasoning to make someone not a lynch candidate. Even if you normally develop a read on him better later on, you can still consider what info you have on him NOW. And not to be harsh, but Lenlo's certainly not so awesome of a player that you should keep him around for his usefulness if he is town, he rarely helps town win games even if he is.

 

So yes, it is objectively bad reasoning, and you trying to argue and defend it looks scummy to me, like trying to use semantics or pointless arguments to justify a bad look on you.

[hazelkrs1]

No Csarmi you're wrong. It's terrible reasoning to remove someone off the lynch table.

 

I could see WANTING to lynch elsewhere maybe, but outright saying you wouldn't lynch him today? That's crap. What if you had say 3-4 players who you were always able to read well later in games, and then they ALL rolled scum. Using your logic, you'd basically guarantee that you could never help lynch a scum early on in that game, and if you died BEFORE you could develop your reads on those players well then you just kept them off the lynch table for freaking nothing.

 

Again, you trying to stick to your guns on this and act like you really believe it to be true looks like you arguing about something pointless, maybe even in an attempt to look more obtuse than scummy.

[hazelkrs1]

There actually aren't very many reasons to EVER take someone off the lynch table early on, everyone should be a potential lynch candidate so that they feel the burden of proving their towniness. Letting scum slank off early on because people can't read them well at first leads to lazy scum winning games when town derps itself.

[hazelkrs1]

I also feel like you're trying to give yourself an out to back off of your scumread of me (which is actually one of the things that made you look bad- how you kept trying to continuously push me as scum without actually trying that hard to convince others, something someone else already pointed out).

 

Basically you're pinging all over the place right now Salami.

[Thane Vakarian]

Vos Town bodyguard
Dice Town
AJ Town
Hallia softclaim town
Csarmi softclaim town
Thane Town
Des Town
Tommy town cop

 

Tglems
Arsis/replacement

Krak

Drunk Tank

 

Darthe: RL things happen, ok, but i'd have expected a bit more by now.
BFG: i wonder if you deliberately pointed so much attention in my direction and away from Lenlo
Kates: not that convinced about the posts i've seen from Kates.... seems off for me.

 

Lenlo mafia goon gut feeling was right

 

Here's where i'm at for now, after having some coffee and rereading through the thread.....

[hazelkrs1]

Thane, someone soft claiming town is enough to make you green read them? Or am I misunderstanding you there?

[hazelkrs1]

Also you're doing that "safe" thing again where all of your scum reads are pretty much consensus scum reads. Meh.

[Thane Vakarian]

it's just a general overview of what's going on in my head... The fact that they're put in green means that in my opinion, they are town, regardless the softclaim. it's put in for reference.

[Thane Vakarian]

People in blue are far from safe. need to catch up on those players

[hazelkrs1]

Just for reference Thane most people color someone in as blue when they consider them essentially confirmed town. I figured that wasn't what you were doing but that could help prevent confusion in the future.

[Thane Vakarian]

aha, ok.... hold on, i'll get rid of that confusion then. It IS quite important that people understand what i mean

[Thane Vakarian]

so, now they're in the grey area.... i think that's better

[hazelkrs1]

Thane, just for reference, most of the time when people put someone as "grey" it's because they are physically attracted to them and want to polish their swords. Could help prevent confusion in the future.

[hazelkrs1]

 

[hazelkrs1]

During reread Salami looks absolutely wretched for his behavior during me and Tommy's spat. Like he's obviously trying to egg on two townies who are going @ each other.

 

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