[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[hazelkrs1]

Going back to watching Moneyball, but I'm still around

[csarmi]

Also wanna point out an absolute blatant contradiction from Csarmi recently-

 

He sees a couple of votes on him, so acts all non-chalant BUT states that people should wait to lynch him so he can get reads out because he's been skimming (which is dogshit btw, he's been posting here and in the moment and paying attention, I don't buy for a second that he would need to gather himself to get reads out)

 

THEN, when he sees Tommy switch track and vote him, Csarmi self-votes

 

THIS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID

 

If Csarmi was trying to act all protown and keep from getting speedhammered before he could get out reads WHY IN THE WORLD would he then self-vote to make it more likely that a scum can come in and ninjahammer, or a townie derp and ninjahammer?

 

This does not in ANY way make sense from a town!Csarmi perspective.

 

Furthermore this is now the second time Csarmi has pulled the self-vote card, even tho I've seen him scold others for the same type of behavior in other game and even in this one somewhat by trying to scold DT for bailing out.

 

Anyone who thinks this is a town!Csarmi needs to GTFO.

I do.

[hazelkrs1]

Des can you remind me what spew points to Krak as scum

 

Want me to requote the stuff or link to my spew analysis?

 

In a nutshell, TG mentions him VERY little if ever, even tho Krak has been reasonably active this game (a lot more so than how he is most the time, when he's town)

 

Plus Krak had a little blurb where he bantered with TG about TG "soulreading" him, TG never responded because mebbe he didn't want the wolf banter ITT thing to go overboard

 

Then when you specifically asked TG (and a few others) what they thought about Krak, TG waffled and hedged, didn't really say anything conclusive

 

I think that's mostly what I found. Could check again tho

[hazelkrs1]

 

Also wanna point out an absolute blatant contradiction from Csarmi recently-

 

He sees a couple of votes on him, so acts all non-chalant BUT states that people should wait to lynch him so he can get reads out because he's been skimming (which is dogshit btw, he's been posting here and in the moment and paying attention, I don't buy for a second that he would need to gather himself to get reads out)

 

THEN, when he sees Tommy switch track and vote him, Csarmi self-votes

 

THIS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID

 

If Csarmi was trying to act all protown and keep from getting speedhammered before he could get out reads WHY IN THE WORLD would he then self-vote to make it more likely that a scum can come in and ninjahammer, or a townie derp and ninjahammer?

 

This does not in ANY way make sense from a town!Csarmi perspective.

 

Furthermore this is now the second time Csarmi has pulled the self-vote card, even tho I've seen him scold others for the same type of behavior in other game and even in this one somewhat by trying to scold DT for bailing out.

 

Anyone who thinks this is a town!Csarmi needs to GTFO.

I do.

 

 

Then kindly GTFO

[Tommyrod]

Didn't TG joke about Len being gone too? The stabbing joke?

[csarmi]

Also wanna point out an absolute blatant contradiction from Csarmi recently-

 

He sees a couple of votes on him, so acts all non-chalant BUT states that people should wait to lynch him so he can get reads out because he's been skimming (which is dogshit btw, he's been posting here and in the moment and paying attention, I don't buy for a second that he would need to gather himself to get reads out)

I never lie about RL or stuff like that. I've been skimming hardcore the whole week which should be obvious to anyone paying attention.

 

THEN, when he sees Tommy switch track and vote him, Csarmi self-votes

 

THIS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID

It does? I wanted some patience at one vote. Then you sguys start to train me.

 

If Csarmi was trying to act all protown and keep from getting speedhammered before he could get out reads WHY IN THE WORLD would he then self-vote to make it more likely that a scum can come in and ninjahammer, or a townie derp and ninjahammer?

Anyone hammering there would scum claim.

 

This does not in ANY way make sense from a town!Csarmi perspective.

Apparently it does. 

 

Furthermore this is now the second time Csarmi has pulled the self-vote card, even tho I've seen him scold others for the same type of behavior in other game and even in this one somewhat by trying to scold DT for bailing out.

Well I got angry. Happens. I made sure to count that it'd put me at L-1 only tho.

Also it shows that I'm willing to lynch if need be (and if you are impatient enough to give me time to catch up).

 

Anyone who thinks this is a town!Csarmi needs to GTFO.

I'm town and I'm pretty sure you should know that. Unless you need mislynches obviously.

[hazelkrs1]

Des can you remind me what spew points to Krak as scum

 

Pt 1 of spewhunt

 

Pt 2 of spewhunt

 

Post-hunt spew analysis

 

First two are quotegrabs with some commentary here and there, last one is my analysis of it. Wasn't the MOST comprehensive but I definitely covered TG spew as it related to the final few suspects. Def thinking you'll likely go for the last one as it's less time consuming to filter through.

 

Oh found something else I didn't mention a second ago- TG both chainsaw defended Krak and soft defended him when I pointed out that Krak was more on his scum meta. Also TG's response to you when asked about Krak was worse than I thought, here it is:

 

 

 

 

What are people's thoughts on Krak btw

 

AJ, TG, Hallia, since you're here: town or scum on Krak?

 

I just kept waiting for him to finish his catch up and engage real time.  He only did that for like, 3 posts.  His questioning of Vos seemed pretty on point to me.

What are yours? 

 

[csarmi]

 

 

Also wanna point out an absolute blatant contradiction from Csarmi recently-

 

He sees a couple of votes on him, so acts all non-chalant BUT states that people should wait to lynch him so he can get reads out because he's been skimming (which is dogshit btw, he's been posting here and in the moment and paying attention, I don't buy for a second that he would need to gather himself to get reads out)

 

THEN, when he sees Tommy switch track and vote him, Csarmi self-votes

 

THIS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID

 

If Csarmi was trying to act all protown and keep from getting speedhammered before he could get out reads WHY IN THE WORLD would he then self-vote to make it more likely that a scum can come in and ninjahammer, or a townie derp and ninjahammer?

 

This does not in ANY way make sense from a town!Csarmi perspective.

 

Furthermore this is now the second time Csarmi has pulled the self-vote card, even tho I've seen him scold others for the same type of behavior in other game and even in this one somewhat by trying to scold DT for bailing out.

 

Anyone who thinks this is a town!Csarmi needs to GTFO.

I do.

 

 

Then kindly GTFO

 

MODS: I object to this post. Emphasis by me.

[Tommyrod]

I'll read TG tonight. I've been too busy and tired but now it's Friday.

 

FWIW I thought Kates was town before the hammer so the more people can talk, the better.

 

[unvote]

[hazelkrs1]

Didn't TG joke about Len being gone too? The stabbing joke?

 

Eh don't remember that. Refresh my memory a bit more?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

What are people's thoughts on Krak btw

 

AJ, TG, Hallia, since you're here: town or scum on Krak?

I just kept waiting for him to finish his catch up and engage real time. He only did that for like, 3 posts. His questioning of Vos seemed pretty on point to me.

What are yours?

That post does look really bad for Krak

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Oh and I would love some insight on Lenlo... If anyone other than Arsis has thoughts on him so far.

Silence and kill him.

Stuff like this, Des.

 

He avoided discussing Len as much as he could.

[csarmi]

@Despo - I'm serious about that objection. I find that post insulting. Also, you should know better, wasn't there enough drama here? I've reported it to the mods.

[Tommyrod]

I want Des lynched today over you anyways as I think he is objectively scummiest. But feel free to jump and defend yourself about each point. Whyme fryme.

Salami ^

[Tommyrod]

 

 

TG what percent do you think Des is scum vs town? Like 60% scum? Do you not see any glimmers of town in him?

He was 150% scum to start, especially with how he made up with you. After you and he got over your little spat he started towntelling. The emotion on outted town PRs seemed real. So...69%?

^ this is never scum/scum

[csarmi]

Do you mean that spews Des as town?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

TG what percent do you think Des is scum vs town? Like 60% scum? Do you not see any glimmers of town in him?

He was 150% scum to start, especially with how he made up with you. After you and he got over your little spat he started towntelling. The emotion on outted town PRs seemed real. So...69%?

EBWOP: What bothers me most about Des is that I can't figure out his teammates except Dice. My other top scum reads are DT and Arsis, and that team doesn't fit unless they are already turning on each other to reverse-spew.

I think TG was trying to maintain pushing townies as scum but trying to look convincingly "confused" about it. What I mean is he was deliberately avoiding pushing his scumbros, so he couldn't push the actually scummy people and thus has to act like "hmm I'm not gonna NOT push these townies but I am gonna admit my suspects don't really add up."

[Tommyrod]

@Des - Name somebody you find scummy who didn't find you scummy/vote you first.

Salami I believe these posts are unlikely to be busing yes

[Krakalakachkn]

Yah that's what he means

[hazelkrs1]

 

Also wanna point out an absolute blatant contradiction from Csarmi recently-

 

He sees a couple of votes on him, so acts all non-chalant BUT states that people should wait to lynch him so he can get reads out because he's been skimming (which is dogshit btw, he's been posting here and in the moment and paying attention, I don't buy for a second that he would need to gather himself to get reads out)

I never lie about RL or stuff like that. I've been skimming hardcore the whole week which should be obvious to anyone paying attention.

 

Wasn't saying you were lying about RL, I just think it was a stalling excuse. You've participated in the moment enough to have a handle on things.

 

 

THEN, when he sees Tommy switch track and vote him, Csarmi self-votes

 

THIS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID

It does? I wanted some patience at one vote. Then you sguys start to train me.

 

Then to follow through with what you said, you DEFINITELY wouldn't have self voted. If anything you would have made it even more clear not to speedhammer you before you got your reads out

 

 

If Csarmi was trying to act all protown and keep from getting speedhammered before he could get out reads WHY IN THE WORLD would he then self-vote to make it more likely that a scum can come in and ninjahammer, or a townie derp and ninjahammer?

Anyone hammering there would scum claim.

 

Not true and you know it. Town derphammer all the freaking time, in fact that is one of the biggest causes of mislynches, someone derphammering someone that flips town, making everyone think that person was in a rush to secure a mislynch when often it's just someone who doesn't realize that they're the hammer vote or are just antsy

 

 

This does not in ANY way make sense from a town!Csarmi perspective.

Apparently it does.

 

Humor us then Csarmi. How does it make sense from a town!Salami perspective?

 

 

Furthermore this is now the second time Csarmi has pulled the self-vote card, even tho I've seen him scold others for the same type of behavior in other game and even in this one somewhat by trying to scold DT for bailing out.

Well I got angry. Happens. I made sure to count that it'd put me at L-1 only tho.

Also it shows that I'm willing to lynch if need be (and if you are impatient enough to give me time to catch up).

 

So in other words it was an obvious attempt to look protown. Gotcha.

 

 

Anyone who thinks this is a town!Csarmi needs to GTFO.

I'm town and I'm pretty sure you should know that. Unless you need mislynches obviously.

 

How should I know that? You've looked scummy for major portions of the game and have essentially not helped town in finding scum ... ever

 

And town!Csarmi @ endgame is usually a whirlwind, he has a great grasp of the game by that point and is summarily raising and dismissing options as they come up and doing thorough analysis of who in fact could be scum.

 

You're just opportunistically going with the flow and trying to get anyone not named Krak lynched.

[Tommyrod]

 

That's what I mean. I said I was going to leave my vote on Darthe when this game started and nobody even took me up on that. As the game has gone on, nobody has brought him up as a lynch alternative.

 

Why? Did everyone just forget about him? Do people think he's town? Or is he just scum and therefore not low-hanging townie fruit for scum to push like someone like Thane might be?

 

Lynching lurkers policy-style used to be a discussion almost every game on DM. Hasn't been as much lately.

Once again he avoids discussing a scumbro.

[csarmi]

 

I want Des lynched today over you anyways as I think he is objectively scummiest. But feel free to jump and defend yourself about each point. Whyme fryme.

Salami ^

 

 

Did he follow up on this by action? If yes, then I agree.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

Also wanna point out an absolute blatant contradiction from Csarmi recently-

 

He sees a couple of votes on him, so acts all non-chalant BUT states that people should wait to lynch him so he can get reads out because he's been skimming (which is dogshit btw, he's been posting here and in the moment and paying attention, I don't buy for a second that he would need to gather himself to get reads out)

 

THEN, when he sees Tommy switch track and vote him, Csarmi self-votes

 

THIS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTS WHAT HE JUST SAID

 

If Csarmi was trying to act all protown and keep from getting speedhammered before he could get out reads WHY IN THE WORLD would he then self-vote to make it more likely that a scum can come in and ninjahammer, or a townie derp and ninjahammer?

 

This does not in ANY way make sense from a town!Csarmi perspective.

 

Furthermore this is now the second time Csarmi has pulled the self-vote card, even tho I've seen him scold others for the same type of behavior in other game and even in this one somewhat by trying to scold DT for bailing out.

 

Anyone who thinks this is a town!Csarmi needs to GTFO.

I do.

 

 

Then kindly GTFO

 

MODS: I object to this post. Emphasis by me.

 

 

 

@Despo - I'm serious about that objection. I find that post insulting. Also, you should know better, wasn't there enough drama here? I've reported it to the mods.

 

:laugh: :laugh:

 

 

So it's cool for me to call you a douchenozzle, but not to follow up on banter by asking you to "kindly" GTFO, which was obviously meant in jest?

 

Of COURSE you'll still contend that you're town. My message was for OTHERS that might see you as town still

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

I want Des lynched today over you anyways as I think he is objectively scummiest. But feel free to jump and defend yourself about each point. Whyme fryme.

Salami ^

Did he follow up on this by action? If yes, then I agree.

TG continued trying to steer pressure onto Des because Des was "taking outs" during his argument with me but that was outdated already.

[csarmi]

@Des - It's 16:44 here, Friday afternoon in the office. I need to finish up a project by ths noon. I've been busy as hell the whole week, never managed to catch up for real, just skim through from phone whenever I got the chance and comment what I could. On top of that, my legs and back has been (and still are) bad as hell this week (no that's not an excuse either).

 

Yet I'm trying to find some time to react realtime on stuff.

 

So you can just think whatever you want to. 

 

I just don't care anymore

I reached the end of the rope

I just don't care anymore

Can't cry these tears anymopre