[Advanced] Woodstock 1969 Mafia - Town wins

[csarmi]

Dice I do have a tentative town read on you based on D1-D2 and my fuzzy memories. Please do contribute to #solve if you can however, I know you're good at endgames.

[dicetosser1]

to be honest im tinfoiling between Krak and Des.

 

 

I didnt like Kraks responses since TGs slip.

 

 

Des is because im keeping my mantra of "never trust des" in the front of my head. However what he has going for him imo is that he hasnt bussed the mafia we lynched. Hes a notorious hard busser.

 

Right now im on Drunk because this may be the only way we get any info out of him. id love for him to give some opinions but he just doesnt seem to want to.

[csarmi]

Dice Translation:

 

"I know that Drunk is town (from my role PM) but I'm votign him anyway for pressure. When he flips town I'll push Krak/Des."

[dicetosser1]

not quite.

 

my role pm talks only about me 

 

 

if a player isnt going to help town see that he is town.....not that he cant find the words but literaly just doesnt do anything  then he is either scum or a useless number.

[hazelkrs1]

You guys are dumb dumb dumb

 

It was confirmed long ago that the characters mean nothing in this game. Scum will have valid musicians as well, they just got possessed by baddies from the future.

 

So taking DT's slip as a "scumslip" is retarded. It in no way confirms him as scum.

 

Furthermore while I don't like his attitude, everything about his behavior today screams that he isn't scum. Just an apathetic townie. Does it make it so that he deserves to be lynched anyways? Possibly. But he basically has like zero chance of being scum now in my mind. He isn't fighting his lynch whatsoever, realizes town can afford mislynches. Scum might be disheartened by everything and not put up MUCH of a fight, but if they truly didn't care about resisting their lynch at all they'd just go ahead and either concede or admit to being scum.

 

Tbh all this does is make me think Csarmi is scum for the way he's trying to act about it and urge DT to self-hammer (he is always up for policy voting someone who self-votes).

 

But yeah, DT is town so lynching him is pointless, unless yall think it would shame him for being apathetic. I doubt it would affect him at all.

 

Last scum is either Krak or Csarmi. Or both maybe, and they had more than normal to counter all the town PR's. I'd be down to lynch either.

 

Not wasting my vote on a townie when it's possible we can win this today.

[Tommyrod]

[unvote]

 

[v]Salami[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

So, Des.. Krak or Csarmi ey?

 

well... i can change back to Krak or vote Csarms. The slip on DT's part though was very weird. I sincerely doubt that you don't get your character right when you claim, especially since the name was already claimed D1.... 

[Tommyrod]

if I go back to "slimy feels" like those offputting vibes TG kept giving me while he stayed just enough above water to merit not suspecting as a focus, I think we've got scum in the middle of the suspicion pack and that fits both Salami and Krak.

[dicetosser1]

been thinking in the shower.

 

 

unvote

 

@des and Krak.

 

tell me why I should believe you are town. No emo no posturing just checkable understandable facts

[csarmi]

[unvote]

 

[v]Salami[/v]

@Tom - I'm town. You can mislynch me if you want (I'm pretty sure we can afford that). Would it help you see the game more clearly?

 

I can't put in #work today, may be able to put in some #work tomorrow.

[csarmi]

I'm not sure what the deadline is, but if you wanna lynch me, I do suggest waiting for tomorrow (say 24h from now) so that I can give my reads and all. I've been skimming along since monday or so.

[hazelkrs1]

true. [v]Drunk Tank [/v]

 

 

I dont expect he'll have much to say

 

These posts are making me tinfoil slightly about Lan. First of all he cased DT somewhat but didn't actually vote him until Tommy did first, and that's def questionable, but then when Tommy mentions that we can see what DT will say when he gets here Lan says that he doesn't think Lan will have much to say, which looks like him trying to push through the lynch on someone he doesn't think will fight it hard, which is actually pretty scummy

 

 

I'm guessing your talking about me. I've been reading along. I have two other games going elsewhere and frankly checked out after the silly symp thingy.

 

I'm Joe Cocker VT.

You sure?

 

*checks role pm again*

 

 

 

I'm still Joe Cocker and vanilla town FYI.

 

 

Yeah I'm good with my vote where it is.

 

 

And I've claimed it day one.

 

I don't even know what to say...

 

This reaction by Csarmi looks more scummy than townie for him. If he were town he wouldn't pussyfoot around with it, he'd just say "Uh no, I'm Joe Cocker" and either vote him immediately or say he prob screwed up and forgot his character. Csarmi instead overdoes the incredulous act to try and make DT look worse than he did

 

Krak's reaction just looks like a scum that got saved by the bell

 

 

You sure?

 

*checks role pm again*

 

 

derp. I'm sorry I had to go and reread it. It's John Fogerty. Sorry for the confusion. I hadn't read it since day one so yeah whatever. It's the guy from CCR.

 

 

This is totally believable to me that DT could have made this mistake. For instance I don't even remember who my character is, I normally don't care much about that aspect of themed games anyways and this one makes them even less important

 

You could have at least tried to claim cop

 

Lan again doesn't look great here for this comment- Tommy had already claimed cop way back on D1, so DT claiming cop would have been sooooooo much worse and a legit scumslip or something. Lan just looks like he's trying to push through a mislynch, not make sure he's lynching scum

 

If he messed up accidentally that makes him more likely to be town actually. Scum is less likely to forget their character or their fame claim.

 

He could have done it on purpose for wifom as Mafia.

He could have done it by accident as town.

He could have done it by accident as Mafia.

 

In order of likelyhood IMO.

 

Dice what are your thoughts?

 

Besides being happy to end tthe DAyT asap.

 

Oh please. Acting like DT doing that on purpose for wifom is the most likely scenario is one of the most ridiculous things he's said all game, and he's had some doozies.

 

DT is still newer to this site, not new to mafia, but his interest level in games in general here and this game specifically show that he isn't one to go for gambits or stunts regularly.

 

The FAR more likely scenario is exactly what he said- that he forgot his character. They both start with J, and Joe Cocker had been discussed before, and as a VT he likely hadn't checked his PM since the game started.

 

Dice just got +30% scum EV tho. No comment no nothing just spec on how its not close and vote.

 

This is just an opportunistic as hell fos from Salami. Looks like he's trying to set up future lynches, since he could spin this looking bad for Dice whether DT flipped town or scum

 

What can he say? What are the odds csarmi pulls a random name outofI the air on day one and it just happens to be the same as DT's role?

 

Again with the "What can he say?" line, as if DT's scumminess is already assured

 

 

Drunk pls if you are town, show it. Give your thoughts on people. We need your take. Just play a little more.

 

I couldn't remember my guys name and besides you may as well lynch me and see I'm VT and move along. We have most of the scum dead so my mislynch is irrelevant.

 

 

Again much more likely to be an apathetic townie reaction than a scum trying to AtE out of a lynch at L-1 or disheartened scum giving up

 

Meh.

 

He has until I get to work then I banner if he shows no cooperation.

 

Csarmi trying to keep his hands clean off the lynch and instead urging DT to self-hammer is ridonkulous scummy

 

Dice Translation:

 

"I know that Drunk is town (from my role PM) but I'm votign him anyway for pressure. When he flips town I'll push Krak/Des."

 

Again an opportunistic push and imo Salami trying to set up Dice's lynch.

 

So Salami acts like he is sure DT needs to be lynched today because he's likely scum, even tho that's dumb, then is already trying to make Dice look worse with a DT townflip. Salami looking absurdly scummy and opportunistic with his last few posts.

 

Also worried there's more than one scum after all, since that would make sense for how Csarmi is acting, like they might only be two mislynches away from winning or something

 

So, Des.. Krak or Csarmi ey?

 

well... i can change back to Krak or vote Csarms. The slip on DT's part though was very weird. I sincerely doubt that you don't get your character right when you claim, especially since the name was already claimed D1.... 

 

Those two are def my highest choices for scum, altho I'm tinfoiling on Lan a bit.

 

The slip on DT's part is a bit weird I guess, but def doesn't make him look scummy in any way. Scum don't need fake claims in this game.

[Thane Vakarian]

well, here's my thought... safest lynch today imo is Krak. If not, CS is next. 

[hazelkrs1]

been thinking in the shower.

 

 

unvote

 

@des and Krak.

 

tell me why I should believe you are town. No emo no posturing just checkable understandable facts

 

If you in any way believe I'm anywhere near as good of a lynch candidate as Krak you are DOING IT WRONG Dice.

 

Seriously. Just because you don't wanna trust me in any game doesn't mean you shouldn't have a general layout of what's happened and how that affects everyone else. I'm one of the most cleared players in the game. And there aren't any "facts" that I could point to that would show this, since I haven't been viewed by anyone or anything. But I AM LOCK CLEAR so stop trying to act like I'm a lynch candidate yeesh.

 

 

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[v]Salami[/v]

@Tom - I'm town. You can mislynch me if you want (I'm pretty sure we can afford that). Would it help you see the game more clearly?

 

I can't put in #work today, may be able to put in some #work tomorrow.

 

 

 

I'm not sure what the deadline is, but if you wanna lynch me, I do suggest waiting for tomorrow (say 24h from now) so that I can give my reads and all. I've been skimming along since monday or so.

 

Legit awful reactions by Salami here. Trying to do exactly what I said DT was doing and act ambivalent towards his lynch, but makes it look like he's being protown about it

 

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[v]Salami[/v]

 

Would def go back to Krak tho. Besides everything else on Krak, one of the worst things recently was when he was asked who looks scummiest to him, and he pretty much named everyone but himself and claimed PR's. Can't believe we didn't lynch him outright after that.

 

Csarmi and Krak being scum together makes sense with how they've been acting today. Csarmi hasn't outright defended Krak but he's tried tinfoiling on a number of peeps and looking for lynches anywhere but Krak. 5 scum in a 16 player game seems like a doozie but maybe they have some negative utility or weird wincon or something.

[Thane Vakarian]

ok, let's get this going:

 

unvote

 

vote Csarmi

 

regardless the outcome here, Krak should be next

[Thane Vakarian]

i doubt the remaining scum will slip like TG did yesterday, though the same people basically are here

[hazelkrs1]

well, here's my thought... safest lynch today imo is Krak. If not, CS is next. 

 

Yup. Tommy doesn't wanna lynch Krak tho. So meh.

 

They both look turrible.

 

And Csarmi looked confirmed to be TG's teammate yesterday before I started my spew analysis of TG, but I could've been wrong in it. TG chainsaw defended Csarmi a few times and there was def a connection there, and they were both def pushing the scummy agenda of trying to get me lynched.

 

Then you take into account Csarmi's claiming situation, first soft claiming PR D1 (but not in an obvious way so he could back out of it later like he tried doing so scummy) then claiming VT in the night (role claiming at night almost always more likely to come from scum) then hinting that he was a RBer (scummy since it could have been lolcatting on his part considering we knew of a scum RBer) then saying he was a JOAT but giving the safest of safe "investigation results" on Vos visiting Tommy (could have easily been inferred by scum) then finally acting like it was all a ruse and he was VT the whole time. Add it all up and he looks pretty awful.

[Tommyrod]

Gun to my head I would guess Salami over Krak, yeah.

 

He just feels insincere in this game. I know it's vague but that's how I became suspicious of TG too. And Len and Darthe :p

[csarmi]

I'm pretty though.

 

But go ahead.

 

[v]Csarmi[/v]

[csarmi]

I'm 1000% sincere in the game.

[Tommyrod]

DT is highly likely to be not mafia faction given his reaction. Either that or he's highly savvy.

[Tommyrod]

Self voting is not the answer.

[csarmi]

I'd say Krak is town.

 

I'm not sure about the Drunk WiFoM (btw you're crazy if you think I may be scum here, I could have just hammered Drunk instead of wanting to play more today).

 

Tinfoiling on Dice (and yes on Des).

[csarmi]

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[csarmi]

Sure.

 

I promise that I will self-hammer if you guys put me to L-1. My patience is at edge.