[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Blackhoof]

So you would rather I sit on Red, or vote Darthe, whom I don't find scummy?

I'd rather do something productive

well you can do what you like, but i just find this sudden, random, sheepish vote scummy

[WWWwombat]

Tommy is probably town or 3rd party.  I definitely think he is one of Wanda or Quiksilver.  The only conniption I would have is whether they are town or not, since they are Magneto's children iirc.  However, the scene that was written makes them look more like third party.  So imo, save them for later even if they're not town, since they'll probably be 3rd party.  Mynd has been pretty sure on what characters his mafia are.

 

Red is probably town.  Lol, 2nd read I was probably wrong on, but Red would message more than just 2 people, her messaging style seems like legit town, etc etc.  I think I always want to lynch Red, so that may be part of my reasoning on her.

 

Tsuki is probably town.  Honest frustration, role hints seem good, and more on the line of posts above this.

 

Wombat may be scum with his awkward followup question and weird previous statement.

Vos messed up with the popcorn thing, not sure if he's trying to force his meta or not.

 

Other reads still looking, kinda hard after you guys posted this much to get accurate reads.  I end up looking more at the active players while skimming and get stronger reads on them than I should.

 

Trimmed most of this post because eyesore.  I don't like it.  Pulls a ton of quotes but doesn't really say much.  Also, the bit at the very beginning about telling us why you were MIA seems way too self-conscious.  As for your conclusions, the town reads seem good but your "may be scum" thing on me is crap.  Care to explain how I've been "awkward" or "weird" or should I just file this under "Retaliatory Nudging?"

 

 

Rand can be town for now

 

Gross.

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

From Cory or Tommy, I'd see that comment as dry sarcasm.  Not sure what to think of it from Vos.  He's definitely said some things that make me go "wtf" but he usually does that to some degree, so I don't really have a read on him yet.

[Tommyrod]

See what I mean about everyone seeming scummy?

[WWWwombat]

 

Also, I want this bookmarked and I want Vos' response, so I'm quoting it here.

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

and as your scummate in that game i have to say.  that shit was hilarious!

 

 

da faq is with the red manipulation of my post dude?

 

 

you manipulating it for that context is scummy.

 

 

re-net. idk i think it might be more of an over compensation personally

 

 

Really, Red?  How is that a manipulation?  Probably just screwed up while trimming and/or quoting.  This really feels like you trying to force your meta here.

 

 

 

 

[v]Tsuki[/v]

 

My feelings haven't changed.

 

I have no idea what to think of Tom's antics lately. Not sure if too wolfy can be applied in this situation, but it's all very bizarre.

 

After reading over Nolder's arguments from today, I'm beginning to read him more as stubborn town than scummy. I disagree that info can't be gleaned through discussion since people have their role PMs already and will act according to those, consciously or not, but his argument reads more like him complaining about DM climate in general than anything else.

 

How is Nolder complaining about DM climate a towntell?  That's par for the course for him imo.

 

I'm an asshole, I'm sorry everyone. 

 

Don't change <3

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

 

Hoof were you in the last Avenger game? I don't recall.

i was.

I was.... Coulson, i think? I lost, but i was one of the survivors.

 

Recall that I fake claimed when Wombat pushed on me and Mynd wrote my claim into one of his scenes before confirming I was Loki.

Mynd tries to follow the narrative in the thread and you shouldn't necessarily trust that he'd confirm someone in a scene like that.

 

 

Yeah, but that was your death scene, so it was more of an in-the-moment pumpfake.  Almost made me defecate ceramic parallelepipeds.  Good times.

 

ACTUALLY

 

He wrote my fakeclaim into a cliffhanger and then wrote my real death scene several hours later.

Regardless though I don't see Mynd reacting to claims (or fake claims) in thread an indication of anyone's alignment that's all I'm saying.

It's not confirmed until it's confirmed ya know?

 

 

Yeah, and Mynd just confirmed he was trolling us lol.

 

 

 

 

Red do you have any objection to me sharing the reads list you PMed me during N0?

 

She called me her top townie. Awwww.

Oh really? Because I just so happened to get a similar PM from her, telling me I was her top town read as well? This should be good. I was tempted to reveal it because it felt like she overplayed her towniness in it to me,

 

I only talked to Wombat pre D1 

 

 

And what a riveting conversation it was!

[Tommyrod]

My strongest town reads of the moment are, in no particular order:

Arsis
Nolder
NotBob
Tsuki
Tress

Followed by

Des
Lenlo
Rand
Key
Xthrax
Drunk
Hallia
Krak
TG

And

Vos
Wombat
Red
AJ
Tina
Blackhoof

Darthe
Dice
Dawn

 

I will not be leaving reasoning at this time, I did this more to remind myself.

[WWWwombat]

Gonna spoiler this wot and do lightning fast commentary, time is of the essence! (bout to start audit)

 

 

 

I like Mynd´s scenes but since I don´t know most characters names they doesn´t give me any clues. Not sure if they are meant to or not. 

 

I´m most interested in  Red, Nolder, Tommy or Arsis.

 

Red - the way she went after X for lying about the pr and then continue to go after him even when that didn´t turn out to be true. 

 

Nolder - I don´t know why he is having this attitude that everyone here sucks so it´s no idea to play until we have some deaths. Makes no sense as game play as either town or mafia, unless he is mafia and try to cover for someone that has been suspected. Eh, I don´t know about him but I´m keeping my eyes on him. 

 

Tommy - well, as you have said, he has claimed a character that should be considered evil. 

 

Arsis - he jumped on Nolder when he was in the center of everyones attention, accused him for lying (I´m not sure what lie he is talking about) but didn´t vote him. 

 

 

[v] Tommy [/v]

 

Didn't like this post as it was mainly parroting things others were saying about her main suspects. The only one she gave semi-original thoughts on was Arsis, and that was a somewhat conflicted read anyways (and could be distancing on her part). Also looks like simplistic reasoning on Tina's part, like she's just going through the motions

 

And back to my old avi - puh!

 

So can you confirm that your avi was because of a mod-given PR please? For longevity's sake

 

 

Key, there's no reason to like Vos's point. Lynchproof is not a scum role. That's a game breaker.

 

I liked Vos's point as well, actually, and lynchproof scum has made an appearance on at least 3 games I can recall in the past year or so. Not ridiculously rare, or even impossible like you imply.

 

Second of all if I'm scum I don't "deflect attention from teammates" on day friggin ONE. I push townies. BS reasoning is BS.

 

[v]Vos[/v]

 

Weak post is weak. "I don't do ______ as scum" from Tommy, bleurgh.

 

 

Tommy, the reason you're voting Vos is because??

Because he's full of crap and appears afraid to take a hard stance on it with his popcorn end statement. It's the classic scum hem-haw, like he could jump off if needed because he's not really serious about voting me.

 

 

This reaction to Vos feels fake to me, you didn't react to the vote instantly, but first trumped up that the votes on you were significant somehow (even tho they shouldn't have been- you claimed a villainous character and a following scene seemed to have weirdly similar details to what you had described. Votes on you at that time shouldn't have really stood out at all), and THEN started acting like Vos's vote stunk to high heaven. Also, seems you're putting words into his mouth by saying he could jump off if needed, when he himself hadn't said anything which indicated he planned on backing off anytime soon.

 

Personally, I think any gameplay content is relevant, but votes are more relevant.  They show you where people are willing to shove their chips.  That being said, I don't think philosophizing on how to play mafia is the best way to start a game.  It tends to result in people scumreading people they disagree with for no other reason than that they disagree.  Slight FoS on both you and Nolder for this.

 

I like how you come in and give your two cents on the issue, then immediately fos others for having the same discussion.

 

Oh wait, no I don't. I don't like that at all

 

 

Win Condition: You win when all threats to the Heroes have been eliminated

 

Nothing in my role about symps or survivors or whatever. Not gonna worry about it.

 

But this means some characters alignments may not be 100% obvious.

 

Scum also definitely have fake claims given the ability to post role PMs.

 

Possibly some of the traditional avengers aren't in the game but are fake claims since I'm considered a hero in this game.

 

Incredibly speculative reasoning all based on the fact we should all apparently accept that Tommy is town.

 

Ewwwwwwwwww.

 

I dont have a problem with Tommy just acting like he's town and that everyone should see that, that's par for the course. What I have a problem with is Tommy trying to slyly make himself look townie with the speculation about fake claims and whatnot based on his alignment, which no townie (except for his twin apparently ) should have any knowledge of

 

 

Red do you have any objection to me sharing the reads list you PMed me during N0?

 

She called me her top townie. Awwww.

Oh really? Because I just so happened to get a similar PM from her, telling me I was her top town read as well? This should be good. I was tempted to reveal it because it felt like she overplayed her towniness in it to me,

 

 

Hrmmmmmm.... Red PM'ed me as well. And said I was "townvibing" and whatnot.

 

Tress already pointed out how strange it is for Red to be giving out town reads this early (and I touched on this as well earlier, and how this fits her scum meta), but what is even MOAR peculiar is the people she contacted- Lenlo, Tommy, myself, and .... Xthrax I think? Anyways point is 2 of those people Red would normally be a lot moar combative towards, I know she relishes any opportunity to try and "catch" me as scum when she is town, and after seeing her interact with Tommy for a bit I get the same feeling. And yet she instead reaches out thru PM to those two people.... doesn't look right to me. Plus she pm's Lenlo and says he was one of her top town reads.... and I see absolutely nothing in the thread that could have given her that indication.

 

 

 

 

That's how I remembered it as well.

 

 

From the darkest depths of the interwebs comes Xthrax!

 

(quote tags got messed up a bit)

 

Didn't see Xthrax get announced like that, and meh other points have been brought up that kind of refute my whole reasoning on that thing, so meh dropping it.

 

 

I'm treating Tsuki as town because

 

a) he's been around all morning talking to me and pushing the fact that my character should be scum as if he found something he really believed in

 

b) I remember him as a scummy townie in past games and he sometimes has good tone

 

c) he's catching a lot of heat early, with people like Tress popping in to take jabs at him. That has me on alert.

 

a) legit

 

b) weak meta is weak

 

c) that is way too simple.  If anything you should be wary of early distancing and you should be more sus of Tress than town on Tsuki.

 

 

???

 

I think that was the implication with what Tommy was saying- that he suspected Tress for the pileon, but that the multiple people piling on made him feel Tsuki was >rand to be town.

 

More importantly, this post fails the tone test since it seems like TG is more perturbed about the way Tommy is trying to scumhunt or make connections than he is interested in fleshing out Tommy's alignment. Like he's mad that Tommy isn't suspecting the right people or something.

 

The fact that Red sent anyone a PM during Dawn saying that she HAD town reads should be more alarming than her sending two of them.

 

*nods*

 

OOC: i'm changing my style from finding everyone scum to actually trying to find town and scum regardless of alignment.  you'll see that after a few games, but for now i get why you think that given my meta and Despos game.

 

town points to Tress

 

 

Hidden in one of Red's wots I found this- Red saying she's pinging because she's changing her style. Classic scumtell is classic.

 

Plus, another mark against Red for trying to buddy Tress.

 

After catchup, TG comes out looking scummy, darthe doesn't look anything like usual darthe - town or scum, there's something fishy about NB/Tina statements, Tsuki looks like frustrated townie to me, Red looks like townie Red, X feels town to me, Len seems to be sitting in the background more than usual, which pings me. Tommy seems like town atm.

 

Quoted this post instead of the big wot from Key- Key in the future can you put spaces in between the quote and your thoughts please? I was skimming as it is, but your wot was particularly hard to follow because of this

 

 

Tired of being hated.  Didn't happen before Cory/You showed up.  Blow me.

 

 

Fwiw, I never hated you and still don't, but you definitely have frustrated me a lot in the past, and I know you're intelligent which makes some things you say and do even more frustrating.

 

 

I had to double-check your name to make sure you were the real Lenlo after I read this.  You realize this is the issue I have with you almost every game, right?  Did you put on your shiny pro-town hat for this game?

Im trying abit harder this game, refocused like the ME one. Also wanted to make Mynds game good so decided to step it up. Can I get a hat though? With little stars and sparkles on it?

 

 

Wombat, I see you share my suspicions of TG. But do you think he could sustain that passionate real-time argument with me if he was scum? I'm asking earnestly, I've only seen one scum game of him (Basel's Star Wars) and it was piss poor but he said not to judge him off that, so can you offer me some perspective?

I know im not Wombat, but ill answer anyways. I dont think he could no. Feel he gets alot more into it as town.

 

Besides if hes scum or a vig we will know by daylight, cause ill be dead. :P ((Note thats like a 3 game running joke.))

 

 

Ewwwwww @ this post. Lenlo gives the 'ol "I'm actually going to try this game" schpiel, which is meh to me since I've heard it before, then answers a question directed at someone else in a sideline snipe sort of fashion.

 

Also, my two cents is that TG could def pass that off as scum. I've seen him look pretty convincing as scum in the past, showing townish type aggressiveness and whatnot.

 

 

 

Use this, next time, Tommy.

 

Scum or not, you just became the coolest person in this thread.  In fact, I'ma go watch boondocks and forget about playing the rest of the night.

 

 

TG fails the tone test here for somewhat unnecessarily adding in the "Scum or not" line, like he's overly concerned with keeping up appearances

 

 

Abit annoyed this has taken so much attention now.

I don't find it annoying as much as it establishes a player as an opinion leader or at the least prominent distraction. He can then drop back in a game this large and someone else can take over.

 

Scumhunting??

 

 

Quoted this post before cause it seemed like Drunk Tank was sniping a bit, only flying by to offer random commentary here or there, but he does seem to be participating more lately.

 

So I'm not all the way caught up, but it seems like you're hyper focusing on Darthe, Tommeh.

 

Darthe, I personally don't hate you!  :( I'm sorry if you feel that way.  

 

Right now Darthe reads to me like a townie getting dumped on.

 

This is DEF a snipe post tho. Hallia hasn't offered much yet this game, so decides to come in pretty much solely to defend someone that isn't really getting a ton of heat, at least compared to Tommy or Tuski or others in the game? Smells of buddying to me

 

I've mainly been focusing on you this game, I'll admit. But here are some things I've noticed from a few other players:

 

Darthe has been playing differently, and is strangely quiet. I am not sure how he plays as scum, but this is very different from how I've seen him play town.

 

I am pretty confident Red is town. Her play seems different from when I've played with her as scum. None of her reads have seemed to have scummy reasoning, at least from what I've looked at (although some posts I have skimmed over a bit)

 

This one I don't really have any reasoning for, but gut feeling says Tsuki is town. His gameplay is exactly the same as every game I've been in with him as town. I don't have a clue on how he plays as scum though.

 

FOS @ Dawn for two things in this post- parroting what others say about peeps (as in Darthe's case) and then repeating a very similar phrase she used for Darthe to use with Tsuki- I don't know how he plays as scum. Fails tone test in a pretty major way, like Dawn is trying to hedge her bets with her reads, and ditch responsibility for giving actual game thoughts on people, and instead falling back on repeating stuff others are saying or saying she doesn't know how someone plays or w/e (when as a newbie, she shouldn't even be that concerned with meta)

 

 

I actually kind of like this post.  I feel dirty.

[Tommyrod]

Why are people not JUMPING at Hallys überscummy Tina-vote???

 

How bad was it from 1-10? Because if Tina is scum it's not that bad

[WWWwombat]

As for my vote- [v]TG[/v]

 

For a number of reasons. My gut is screaming scum on him, he started the whole Lenlo avi fad then kinda fell off the map a bit once gameplay started, then he came back in and his posts looked forced. He tried catching Tommy on a TMI "slip" for instance that was weak, and just in general he seemed to be going through the motions.

 

Also highly suspect of Red and Tina. Red for reasons that should be obvious, Tina because I think she is trying to go along with the crowd, whereas as town she will normally ask more out there questions and do her own scumhunting. Also somewhat suspicious of Wombat, I can't follow him as well this game so far. He's had some posts that rankled me, might have to reread him later.

 

Tommy, otoh, is a bit of a conundrum, but for now I'm thinking he's more likely to be third party, which would make sense for his character (Quicksilver or Scarlett Witch). His play def doesn't scream town to me, and he's normally very good at broadcasting his towniness early when he is town.

 

Okay really gotta hurry now- I do have a fairly nice POE building up, so there's that at least.

 

LOCK CLEARS:

 

AJ

Vos

Xthrax

Tress

Hoof

Krak

Arsis

 

That's a lot of lock clears, bro.  Don't really care what you think about me.  Also, why have you been setup speccing so much this game?

[WWWwombat]

 

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him.   first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though.  Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo.  Arsis is status quo for now.  

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe. 

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point. 

 

Makes me wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town.  I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail 

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

 

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it.  i dislike this greatly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me in bad phrasing. Let me try to clarify what I meant: You went after X hardcore pre-game (dawn). But you are a hardcore player so everything on point. However you seemed even more determined than ever, analyzing timezones and discerning code formatting At this point my thoughts where that you seemed like you were trying abit too hard, but nothing to worry about. 

 

Then the timezones where resolved. He was in +5,5 or something. Then you dismissed it, dismissed the code formatting and just made up a new case on him. That pinged hardcore. Instead of being BullzoderRed you went into "I'm trying to maintain my meta, so I won't quit even though my jumping at a 'townslip' failed". 

 

2 - Misrep here. I didn't defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, but FoS'ed Arsis for dodging a question AND my discrediting of Tommys claim is now null since all of Tommys claims are just trolling. Besides I explicitly said "town playing out gambits and lie", so even though I'm a bit worn out by Tommy's trolling his claims, I believe he is town. 

 

Thirdly, eyerolls at you responding to me thinking you are scum by suddenly saying I'm howling and moving me into scumpile by picking out two posts you can twist around. Doesn't make you look better in my book. 

 

 

Like this post a lot.  Good points and tone is legit.

 

 

"Lynch for info" is one of the most overused scum arguments to lead town into mislynches.

Anyone who's town better find better reasons than "info" to lynch someone or you're letting your team down.

 

FYI Dice your other reasons aren't actually reasons.

What does being "unhelpful" even mean? Is he supposed to help you? Me? Anyone? We're all unconfirmed.

And besides what is he supposed to be "helping" us with? This is baseless rhetoric.

 

 

Notice that a bunch others have kept their votes on you too. 

And this is appeal to bandwagon.

Haven't seen that in mafia in a long time.

 

Tentatively agree here.  I like to lynch for info, but usually when I do, I explain specifically what info I'm looking for and how the flip sheds light on that.  Anyone who just says "info" and says nothing else is either scum or lazy town.

 

 

 

what so 3 fake claims and thus multiple lies is town play?  i dont think so.

 

and if he was town nolder he is suppoesed to help town. Creating havok and WIFOM is not helpful to town

You're an idiot, and possibly just scum who can't develop new reads.

 

 

This post reads town to me.  Pretty similar to what I was feeling about Dice except not as strong.

 

 

(BTW hard claim Galactus)

 

I lol'd.

 

 

Des I'm gonna join you on TG wagon. I think Wombat should as well. There's something off about his tone and aggression for sure. He's making all kinds of unnecessary statements like the "regardless of if you're town or scum" comment you pointed out. I'm gonna roll with that, see where the wagon goes, see who dies of dysentery.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]TG[/v]

 

We'll see once I catch up.  He's definitely one of the irons I had in the fire reads-wise.

 

 

 

 

Vos is howling hardcore now, move him to my lean!scum pile 84% on him.   first impression of Darthe as scum is still there, but his current play is a bit more solid, not ready to move him down to null to scum yet though.  Rand is in the null to town now for me, solid play imo.  Arsis is status quo for now.  

 

 

two important posts before the rest are Vos related

 

 

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now. 

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red. 

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting. 

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too. 

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

 

the bold is making me confused.   i seemed resolved not to lose face over catching scum ....  over catching scum ....

 

Freudian slip much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

 

Tommy claimed daycop with a guilty on Darthe

 

Then you immediately discredited his claim.

 

That clearly relates to you and Darthe. 

 

When asked about it, you immediately deflect in and refuses to adress the point. 

 

Makes me wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

 

Darthe? We're talking about your third claim what does Darthe have to do with it?

Ya, and I'm claiming a cop guilty on Darthe, duh. Why you so dense br0? This is beginning to sound like scum/scum distancing.

 

I'm asking why I should believe your third claim? It's flimsy. It's also early enough for the real cop to not want to cc because they don't have any results yet. It stinks and I don't like it.

 

The real question is if you all will lynch Tommy if I flip town.  I somehow don't trust this group to actually do it.

 

 

 

Well... we've all seen town play out lies as gambit and fail 

 

but yes, there is a limit to how much Tommy will troll without town stringing him up methinks. But I'm guessing he will claim cop until you have 4-5 votes, then say he lied about it and FoS everyone who voted you.

 

 

 

did ... did you just defend Tommy against Arsis's pressure, and then in the same post discredit Tommy's claim o.0

 

your trying to put yourself in a situation where you can defend against his wagon or jump on it.  i dislike this greatly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me 

 

Amazed nobody pointed this out.  It's not a normal way to speak and is a pretty obvious sign of a guilty conscious.  Also that last scene was about me.

 

[v] vos [/v]

 

 

Elaborate plz.  Looks like the exact opposite to me, like he doesn't give a damn about it and has nothing to hide.

[Blackhoof]

 

Why are people not JUMPING at Hallys überscummy Tina-vote???

 

 

How bad was it from 1-10? Because if Tina is scum it's not that bad

a bad vote is bad no matter who it is against. Town can vote scummily against scum and the vote will be just as scummy. Forgiveness would be awarded post-flip ofc but the vote is still scummy.

 

if i choose my votes each day based solely on a name out of a hat, is that scummy or pro-town play? Whether or not i am scum or whether i randomly vote scum by chance.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Red do you have any objection to me sharing the reads list you PMed me during N0?

She called me her top townie. Awwww.

Oh really? Because I just so happened to get a similar PM from her, telling me I was her top town read as well? This should be good. I was tempted to reveal it because it felt like she overplayed her towniness in it to me,

 

 

reaaaally? How very interesting.... That looks terrible for red. Private buddying? Bad bad bad

 

her vote on dawn is also extremely flimsy. Considering a red vote atm

 

How do the PMs look bad for Red? They were allowed during Dawn phase.

Agree on the flimsy vote of Dawn, but I am still reading Red as town.

 

 

Random catchup musings -

 

Darthe looks mild scum salad, Hallia is town lean for the very early "I'm town" proclamation, and Hoof gives me the the creeps.

 

As for the bwahaha comment, that is like popcorning on steroids. Vos?

 

[v]Tsuki[/v]

 

creeps? What a strange thing to say. Hurtful.

 

That’s all you have to say about his post? Nothing about the bad vote on Tsuki, or the read on Hallia with no explanation?

 

 

When town is trying to solve the game and someone makes it needlessly complicated with stuff like this?

I had to double-check your name to make sure you were the real Lenlo after I read this. You realize this is the issue I have with you almost every game, right? Did you put on your shiny pro-town hat for this game?

 

I agree. That comment from Len was weird.

 

But, imagine if nol is scum and I called it that early? I'd look like I'm great at this game. Instead of hopelessly out of my depth.

This is just a weird comment. “imagine if”? I also don’t know how to take the last sentence. Okay, so you feel hopelessly out of your depth. What are we supposed to do with that?

 

Also, really don’t like it when people only comment on themselves from a list/big post like that. You don’t have any questions about Red’s views of other people?

 

 

What's your read on Wombat atm?

He's one of the hardest if not the hardest player for me to read. I told him straight up I think he's scummy and he just said "k" in response which I found even scummier. I think he enjoys having an extremely balanced range. He's someone I'd vig because as town he acts scummy and as scum he acts scummy and I don't think he generally puts in enough effort to be really effective as town? Or maybe I've just never gotten to endgame with him as town/town. Do you think he's a good townie?

I tend to see town Wombat as a good asset, one I wouldn't want to lose.

 

I think most people around here see him that way, so he tends to be one of the first NK targets.

Huh, I guess I just had a bad mental image of him then. I thought Red was scum until she PMed me and now who frickin knows

 

Unless they are on a scum team together, which I don’t get that vibe atm, these comments from Krak regarding Wombat make Krak look good to me.

 

 

 

I said why I found your catchup post scummy. It's surficial. You make 3 conclusions then ignore them all to vote because of popcorn and tie Vos to voting him for the same reason. Bad. scummy agenda pushing post.

 

Do you think you could keep up this level of arguing in real time as scum? Serious question.

Yes it is superficial, I just speed read 50 pages and summarized my notes in a few salient points. And I mentioned Vos because Vos reaction should be very telling about Vos' alignment.

 

As for the level of argument, your meta on me is wrong which makes your question baseless.

 

Could it be telling though? If Vos agrees with you and tunnels on Tsuki for today, what does that tell you?

 

Really good point, imo.

 

 

 

I don't see why things need to be overly complex here. Tommy fake claimed immediately, is playing to troll and has indicated that he knows things that most likely shouldn't be known by a townie. Strikes me as a clean D1 lynch at the very least.

I wanna agree here. Really really really. But at this point, I think all that will lead to is a bitch fight after EndGame. #howtoplayMafia

 

Should maybe have emphasized ALL THAT WILL LEAD TO. Ie. I don't think it'll lead anywhere (except said bitch fight).

 

So...you really really really want to agree, but you aren't agreeing? If you think he should be lynched, then why not vote for him? I'm confused, even with the capitals.

 

Regarding my unvote on Tsuki: It's pretty much gut/tone read. When he first got some heat it seemed like he was flailing. Now it seems like he is just super-frustrated townie. So I'll let it slide for now.

 

Gonna revisit TG and Red.

 

I still has a slight town lean on TG - but seing how everything evolved I'm interested in how he peaked my interest in Tsuki, yet stayed pretty clear of my case or subsequent posting.

 

Red for early game hounding of X. Didn't matter much when she was on about the time stamps, but when that was resolved she seemed determined not to lose face over catching scum. Still does. And not sold on the PMs either. Would not hold those games against scum-Red to play. Seems to be working too.

 

Arsis is sticking out this game like a sore thumb. Haven't played with him before so I'm not sure how he is. He hasn't scum slipped or anything but his tone is just way off. Gonna be a wild card this game me thinks.

What about TG gives you your town read?

 

I’ll come back to the Red paragraph.

 

What does “gonna be a wild card this game” mean when referring to Arsis?

 

 

Like this post a lot.  Town lean.

 

 

Key looks shady today.  I agree with BH and Len etc that Red looks bad for trying to play off of people in PM's.  Of course, Red has looked bad this entire game but nobody is really listening to that atm.

 

Also, <3 hally, just saw your post from earlier.

 

Once again, totally opposite of how I'm reading something.  You scum, bro?

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Why are people not JUMPING at Hallys überscummy Tina-vote???

 

How bad was it from 1-10? Because if Tina is scum it's not that bad

a bad vote is bad no matter who it is against. Town can vote scummily against scum and the vote will be just as scummy. Forgiveness would be awarded post-flip ofc but the vote is still scummy.

 

if i choose my votes each day based solely on a name out of a hat, is that scummy or pro-town play? Whether or not i am scum or whether i randomly vote scum by chance.

 

 

Yeah I actually agree. I'm just stuck on a "Hallia who tries is a Hallia who towns" pity read. Can I just read you as town and be done with it?

[Blackhoof]

I find it bad that Darthe still defends his quote-chopping, and really that he brought up such a silly thing as that "slip" in the first place and voted vos for it.

[WWWwombat]

 

Darthe: Straight out, do you not understand what I'm getting at or are you misrepping on purpose? Did you and TG decide in scum QT to stear me into D1 mislynch?

 

Side-note: I'm packing and running around preparing to go to Copenhagen this weekend. My posts will be a bit sparse and rushed from now and until midweek next week. Sorry about that. 

 

Don't know why you're throwing me in here.  I have had a town lean on you so far. 

 

 

How dare you scum read me when I'm town reading you?!?!  Fail.

 

 

Parsing sentences is crazy scummy. It’s also something I have never seen you do, and feels like an amateur move

 

That word.  I don't think it means what you think it means.

[WWWwombat]

On page 69 atm and I'm finding reading Red's posts to be a complete headache.  This is kind of early for that to be happening to me.  Usually it takes about 2 game days.  When this happens with either Red or Des, I tend to get suspicious, as I've seen both of them use their meta as an excuse to bury threads in drivel as scum before.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

but why did you leave in the snarky comment to len in that quote and edit it out to make it look like part of my response to Vos?

 

[sTUFF]

if you have a town lean on him, why book mark what i pointed out on him?

 

 

The snarky comment was a copy paste error.  Wasn't meant to look like part of the quote.  Too much of a hurry from posting it in the last post up.

 

As for the town lean + book mark, I don't trust anybody, even those I have a town lean on.  If they slip I'm going to want an answer.

 

 

fair enough

 

 

This interaction right here feels REALLY fake.

[WWWwombat]

Red vs. Xthrax is making my eyes bleed.  WTB vig shot.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

but why did you leave in the snarky comment to len in that quote and edit it out to make it look like part of my response to Vos?

 

[sTUFF]

if you have a town lean on him, why book mark what i pointed out on him?

 

 

The snarky comment was a copy paste error.  Wasn't meant to look like part of the quote.  Too much of a hurry from posting it in the last post up.

 

As for the town lean + book mark, I don't trust anybody, even those I have a town lean on.  If they slip I'm going to want an answer.

 

 

fair enough

 

 

This interaction right here feels REALLY fake.

 

Not bad. I can see that.

[WWWwombat]

 

I know you’ve responded to them. I was asking what Len thought of those things, since he seemed to think only your exchange with Tommy was being discussed.

 

I don’t think it’s a misrep because despite your “talking about him in the line right before” it seems random. You discuss others’ alignments in your posts and then vote him, without stating his name in the “reason”, and without the reason being clear (to many of us, since I am not the only one that has brought this up) as to why you were choosing him over your “slight scum salad”.

 

I'm going to try and get time to read through X's game that you referenced, but you look scummy to me so far in this game.

 

 

Given that I stated what he said I figured it was clear who I was talking about even without saying his name.  Saying I didn't specifically use his name is a stretch.

 

As for engaging Lenlo, totally legit, go HAM

 

 

Gross.

[Krakalakachkn]

Red vs. Xthrax is making my eyes bleed.  WTB vig shot.

 

 

Are they at it again?  Effing a.

 

 

 

Starting my catch up.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Red vs. Xthrax is making my eyes bleed. WTB vig shot.

 

Are they at it again? Effing a.

 

 

 

Starting my catch up.

See you in 4 years

[WWWwombat]

Okay, I will be waiting for it. For what it´s worth, I also read your hammer willingness as getting a power when hammering. 

 

Did you ask him about it though?  Cuz I think that's the main reason Arsis might see it as rolefishy.  That being said, it's really hard to tell when Nolder is legit rolefishing as he often dumps things on thread that he shouldn't regardless of alignment.

[WWWwombat]

 

Cause obviously scum played significantly better games than you.  

 

Obviously.

 

Well thought trap.  I applaud your scum game.  Oh yeah, you were the Cop.

 

Scratch that last comment.

 

 

Do you have any actual reads to share yet?

 

 

 

I think the dog tongue is significantly cleaner than a human's.  

 

 

It is.  Probably because dogs have to mouth breathe a lot, so having a dirty mouth would be bad for their teeth.

[WWWwombat]

Re: Active Lurking

 

Arsis has done it every game I've been in with him so far (small sample size warning).  Not alignment indicative for him imo.