[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Myndrunner]

 

Tommy was right.....a game full of unreadable players.  For the most part....

 

Townitown Mansion

 

 

 

Myndrunner - Yes, I may be old, but I'm still a townie who can think for himself without the MCP looking over his shoulder.  Get off my motherboard you dang kids!

 

 

 

 

Slightly Town Condos

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nullville Apartments

 

 

Drunk Tank - First few posts established himself well, he won't be a vegetable.  He seems to be trying and following along but hasn't quite assymilated the culture yet, which isn't a bad thing.  Feels like my drunk uncle signing up in my fantasy football league and then mixing it up with my friends during the live draft.  "Joe Montana is an American Icon, dammit! *hic*  They named a STATE after him! *BURP!*"  Like this post right here trying to get the game moving. Good overall grasp of decent mafia play here.

 

BeefArmi - Another tough read.  Townish early posts, but I don't like this sheep-vote of Darthe with TG.  The Armi part of the hydra seems like applying the right amount of pressure without coming across as a witchhunter. 

 

Vos - A little more jovial than normal in this game.  Makes a point about "sitting back" usually means scum here. The fact that my #1 FOS is calling him LOCKTOWN bothers me.  His debate with Rand seems like two townies arguing semantics while wagging FOS at each other.  I typically have a town read on Vos and a scum read on Rand regardless of alignment.  Good reasoning like this one here.

 

NotBob - ランドの固体を読むここで.   彼はかなりの変態ファンですHentai 私は見ているよりもっとたくさん冗談を言ってください。 Nyn's Boobs は彼を気が散る.  良い質問です!!!  LOL

TommyRod - The contract, to me, seems like a townie who doesn't want emotions (his or others) to distract from scumhunting.  Sitting back with popcorn is something Vos should have pounced on.  He seems like he's trying to play objectively and not let emotions cloud his judgement.  That would be a townie play, but then again, he's letting a lot of us do the scumhunt work for him.  Hence: popcorn.

 

Rand al'Thor - I don't like his initial vote, seemed like he overkilled the explanation and even had to edit it.  The fact that it was on me is actually only a small part of it.  Tommy adds to my initial FOS here. His explanation to his OMGUS on Vos makes me hate puppies.  Agreeing with me normally makes me nervous (because I rarely agree with me unless I'm scum) but this is reinforcing what I did and TG's reaction.

 

Nynlia - Normal NynLia play so far.  Nyn antagonistic and Hally being over-buddying.  Nothing stands out as scum or town so far, which means they are probably scum.  Not enough to push them in either direction at this point.  Like BeefArmi said, we need more.

 

 

 

 

Slightly Scum Motel

 

 

Darthe - This post makes me have the diabetes.  Basically, he is saying everyone who posted before him is town except Drunk Tank.  His "slightly town" lean on Tommy seems like he wants to say "SCUM" but doesn't want to take on Tommy just yet.  He's gone for a while and explains this because life happens, but his return to game post is half-arsed and all over the place.  He gets a scum read on NotBob but totally misses the L1 comment as Tommy points out here.  Locks Leno as town because....why? and a GFY to me?  Darthe slightly scum.

Clov - My only reference to Kronos in this game will be to point out TG going after Kronos (an inactive) so early in the game.  This read will be 100% Clov..........um, yeah.....so.  *shrugs*   Nyn points out his lack of aggressive gameplay.  This isn't a townie Clov. 

 

 

 

 

Scum Salad Projects

 

 

TG - I find his reaction to my case (weak or not) incredibly off the charts and that makes him my number one scumbad at the time.  Don't let the cute puppy fool you, he starts off with his retort to Lenlo here then promptly votes an inactive in his second post right after it.   Kissing up to Tommy here then hastily deflects to ask Tommy about Vos here.   More kissing up here and here like he's running for TOWNIEST of TOWNIES.  Then flails when I case him, and promises that he will brb when my case will be destroyed by the destroyer's hand of destruction.  Won't lynch DT because he's new to DM?     Here is his "explanation" when pressed by Nyn.  (My first case on TG here)

 

This = my case being "destroyed"

 

Lenlo - Between the two, he responded only slightly better than TG to my casing report.  It started with his "joke" vote of TG here.  The interaction that got me more suspicious started here so read it yourself and lemme know what you think.  Seemed like a "HEY YOU" which amounted to a silly gif.  VERY suspicious.  The extent that the two of them slammed my case, weak or not, was quite an overreaction.  It was less explaining and more aimed at discrediting me.  This also stood out to me.

 

 

 

 

 

Mynd, knowing what we know now, I hate this post.

 

A lot of your reasoning is shallow or unexplained, like Darthe being scum for trying to placate me (which assumes I'm town, which is funny since I'm not in your town list, nobody is) or Len being scum because he made a joke vote on TG or agreed with TG that your case was bad. You try to FOS Vos for not jumping on me for saying popcorn (?). Your read on Drunk looks like a capricious clear of a non-threatening player. The post you linked to saying DT was getting the game going is nonsense. You use a point Nyn made to call Clov scummy, then call Nyn scum but put her in the null category anyway. You didn't say anything about NB at all, just linked to 3 of his most trollish posts.

 

???

 

In that post you said "I typically have a town read on Vos and a scum read on Rand regardless of alignment." You asked me about Rand, what's your interpretation of him? If you usually have a scum read on him, what does that say about him (or you) that you haven't been pushing him in this game? Is he unusually townie to you this game?

 

 

I asked you about Rand first, Tommy.  What do you feel about him?

 

Also, you are on D1.  A lot has happened since then.  This was even pre-TG fisticuffs. 

[Myndrunner]

@Tommy - here is a much more updated and relevant casing for you. 

 

All that talk about me and TG yesterday makes a lot more sense now.  I thought it would be me instead though, but I guess I'm the one they figured for lynch instead. 

 

First things first,

 

[v] TommyRod [/v]

 

I could go Clov instead, but lets take out the ring leader first.

 

My case as promised. 

 

TownieTown Mansion

 

 

 

Darthe - UNcc'd cop in a basic game.  Mafia doesn't need to kill him if they can just roleblock him to kingdom come.  His value, besides his scumhunting skills, are that he is a nearly cleared townie.

 

Mynd - I may be old, but I remember when Vanilla was just vanilla, not this French Vanilla crap...and the MCP was just a calculator!!!

 

 

 

 

Slightly Town Condos

 

 

 

 

TG - I was already pulling back on TG before he tried to direct the DOC read.  I was hoping that my responses would suggest to the mafia that I was the DOC and that they should kill me instead.  I'm sure the mafia figured the same thing that I did.  Scum TG would not have engaged me like he did.  PR'd TG would though.  Then, when Tommy started rekindling the fire between us, I knew we were being set up.  I just thought that I was going to be the one dead today not him.  

 

Rand - He's been trying to clear more townies then find scum, a tandem that I thought would work better with my grass beating, but more on that post-game. 

 

 

 

 

Nullville Hotel

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slightly Scum Motel

 

 

 

Xthrax - He's OBVIOUSLY corrupted by the MCP!

 

Not Bob - I've played only a couple games with him, but he's kinda like Krak.  He definitely doesn't seem like someone who is pushing any kind of agenda.

 

 

 

 

SCUMBAD SALAD

 

 

 Tommy & Clov - If you read back this last night phase, it reads like two players trying to figure out who would be the easy lynch, but the key to their demise is what went down with Drunk Tank.  They both realized that if they hammered DT, they would still be in a position to pull out a win.  

 

Tommy has been a hard read because I like playing with non-troll Tommy, but his no-emo contract was a bit over the top.  I was surprised he gave my case assessment against TG a 4/10 instead of a 0/10 because it was totally out of my arse.  I was just trying to gauge a reaction from TG.....and I got one that distracted me from them. 

 

Day 2, I was on to Clov, but then I got mixed up in the TG mess again and started believing him to be scumbad. 

 

What I noticed about Tommy and Clov was that they were working in tandem, tossing just enough suspicion at each other to warrant some distancing but still kinda white knighting each other when you strip down their musings.  Clov only chose to case two players last night, but they served the same purpose.....isolate the Day 4 lynch to one of two players:  NotBob or Me. 

 

Re-read Clov's case on Tommy here.  It sounds like someone you hire to politically spin a congressman to sound positive yet real.  "Sure, he kinda looks scummy here and there, but wow he must be town because a scum would never say xxxxxx"  ITs all fluff and is designed to direct the rest of us off Tommy and onto me and NotBob.  He uses the same jargon as Tommy and puts either/or decisions at our feet. 

 

THe Tommy/NotBob exchange is not town/town so one of them has to be scum........then later says Tommy is looking town. 

 

 

 

 

If we lose this game, I'll take partial responsibility for playing a bit more aloof than I should have.  I had a hard time getting a good read on people this round, but I also should have stuck to a more logic and less reactionary approach.  I figured I was vanilla town and expendable.  I didn't expect to make it this far. 

 

 I prefer playing with logic and rational Tommy.  Too bad it was all a calculated way to keep him from getting lynched early.  If you notice though, his questions and prodding have been carefully designed to point us at the wrong players.  Drunk Tank, then last night's insistence on a dialog between myself and TG.  He had to get it out there or their choice of NK would not have been as big of an impact.

 

Anyways, there you have it.  Lynch Tommy or Clov today.  Otherwise, we lynch another townie and lose. 

[Tommyrod]

Answer my questions. You have a habit of not doing that in this game. I asked you for explanations of your reasoning, you instead blow me off completely and say "eh, that's D1"? Wtf?

[Clovdyx]

A couple different things. 

 

I think he's been pretty transparent in the thread and most of his responses have been appropriate.  I remember he made a couple of posts early on D1 that didn't make sense to me, and when I asked for clarification, he seemed more than willing to oblige.  Not a surefire towntell, but he seemed willing to work with me.  It hasn't really changed as the game went on, either.  I've seen a lot of instances where mafia is pretty eager at the start of the game but their activity goes down a bit as the game goes on, since it's harder for them to hide in a smaller pool. 

 

He pretty much went right after Nyn when Darthe posted his results.  Scum might have done that too, since they would know he was telling the truth...but he handled the Drunk "result" the same way.  Not sure he would have done that if he had the prior knowledge about DT's alignment.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Answer my questions. You have a habit of not doing that in this game. I asked you for explanations of your reasoning, you instead blow me off completely and say "eh, that's D1"? Wtf?

 

Seems that you have that problem with many people.  Yeah, I said it.

[Tommyrod]

 

Answer my questions. You have a habit of not doing that in this game. I asked you for explanations of your reasoning, you instead blow me off completely and say "eh, that's D1"? Wtf?

 

Seems that you have that problem with many people.  Yeah, I said it.

 

 

You're such a big help that I'm giving you a gold star!

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Answer my questions. You have a habit of not doing that in this game. I asked you for explanations of your reasoning, you instead blow me off completely and say "eh, that's D1"? Wtf?

 

Seems that you have that problem with many people.  Yeah, I said it.

 

 

You're such a big help that I'm giving you a gold star!

 

 

 

Why thank you...you must have many participation trophies.

[Tommyrod]

You here to play and make good points or did you come here to troll me again?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

You here to play and make good points or did you come here to troll me again?

 

Well, I'm here fwiw...kinda surprised scum brought me along for the ride...ask per Darthe's request...between the three...

 

NotBob:  Uber townie who cracked the code on the scum.

Clov:  Seemingly laid back townie or equally in the woodwork scum...only issue with him is that DT lynch...why o why does a townie not follow the Cop?

Mynd:  The early admitted crappy case on TG, the cast away vote TG hides true intentions, the fact he started this day with an quick nonchalance vote on you...using my own arguments in the hopes I hop on....really, really scummy.

 

Yup, yup.  Really just boils down to those simple facts.

 

I look forward to the post game. 

[Tommyrod]

NB, what's your scumteam then? Clov/Mynd?

Mynd, you should be trying to convince me why Clov is scum.

Clov, you should be trying to convince me why Mynd is scum.

NB, you should be trying to convince me how Clov and Mynd fit together.

[Clovdyx]

 

You here to play and make good points or did you come here to troll me again?

 

Well, I'm here fwiw...kinda surprised scum brought me along for the ride...ask per Darthe's request...between the three...

 

NotBob:  Uber townie who cracked the code on the scum.

Clov:  Seemingly laid back townie or equally in the woodwork scum...only issue with him is that DT lynch...why o why does a townie not follow the Cop?

Mynd:  The early admitted crappy case on TG, the cast away vote TG hides true intentions, the fact he started this day with an quick nonchalance vote on you...using my own arguments in the hopes I hop on....really, really scummy.

 

Yup, yup.  Really just boils down to those simple facts.

 

I look forward to the post game. 

 

 

I'm not sure what the bold means.  Are you saying I shouldn't have voted DT?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

NB, what's your scumteam then? Clov/Mynd?

 

Mynd, you should be trying to convince me why Clov is scum.

 

Clov, you should be trying to convince me why Mynd is scum.

 

NB, you should be trying to convince me how Clov and Mynd fit together.

 

First, want to say thanks.  The Dick Dastardly comment was brilliant...if I didn't have a name or pic here I'd use that one.

 

My gut says vote Mynd first...after that re-evaluate...think about this...if we're both town...and I get it you ain't buying my shtick...but play with me here...if we're both town why bring us both along at the end...too easy to get the last mis-lynch...seriously Mynd is the dirtiest player left.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

You here to play and make good points or did you come here to troll me again?

 

Well, I'm here fwiw...kinda surprised scum brought me along for the ride...ask per Darthe's request...between the three...

 

NotBob:  Uber townie who cracked the code on the scum.

Clov:  Seemingly laid back townie or equally in the woodwork scum...only issue with him is that DT lynch...why o why does a townie not follow the Cop?

Mynd:  The early admitted crappy case on TG, the cast away vote TG hides true intentions, the fact he started this day with an quick nonchalance vote on you...using my own arguments in the hopes I hop on....really, really scummy.

 

Yup, yup.  Really just boils down to those simple facts.

 

I look forward to the post game. 

 

 

I'm not sure what the bold means.  Are you saying I shouldn't have voted DT?

 

 

Yes.  I get it...you didn't think it was the hammer...but at L-2 we usually wait until the player claims...to avoid exactly what happened here....

 

Really the only dirt I have on you this entire game.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

You here to play and make good points or did you come here to troll me again?

 

Well, I'm here fwiw...kinda surprised scum brought me along for the ride...ask per Darthe's request...between the three...

 

NotBob:  Uber townie who cracked the code on the scum.

Clov:  Seemingly laid back townie or equally in the woodwork scum...only issue with him is that DT lynch...why o why does a townie not follow the Cop?

Mynd:  The early admitted crappy case on TG, the cast away vote TG hides true intentions, the fact he started this day with an quick nonchalance vote on you...using my own arguments in the hopes I hop on....really, really scummy.

 

Yup, yup.  Really just boils down to those simple facts.

 

I look forward to the post game. 

 

 

I'm not sure what the bold means.  Are you saying I shouldn't have voted DT?

 

 

Yes.  I get it...you didn't think it was the hammer...but at L-2 we usually wait until the player claims...to avoid exactly what happened here....

 

Really the only dirt I have on you this entire game.

 

 

I guess I was confused by what you said.  I'm used to "Follow the cop" referring to lynching the person they do.

[Tommyrod]

 

NB, what's your scumteam then? Clov/Mynd?

 

Mynd, you should be trying to convince me why Clov is scum.

 

Clov, you should be trying to convince me why Mynd is scum.

 

NB, you should be trying to convince me how Clov and Mynd fit together.

 

First, want to say thanks.  The Dick Dastardly comment was brilliant...if I didn't have a name or pic here I'd use that one.

 

My gut says vote Mynd first...after that re-evaluate...think about this...if we're both town...and I get it you ain't buying my shtick...but play with me here...if we're both town why bring us both along at the end...too easy to get the last mis-lynch...seriously Mynd is the dirtiest player left.

 

 

Haha are you saying that you and I were brought to F6 because we want to kill each other?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

You here to play and make good points or did you come here to troll me again?

 

Well, I'm here fwiw...kinda surprised scum brought me along for the ride...ask per Darthe's request...between the three...

 

NotBob:  Uber townie who cracked the code on the scum.

Clov:  Seemingly laid back townie or equally in the woodwork scum...only issue with him is that DT lynch...why o why does a townie not follow the Cop?

Mynd:  The early admitted crappy case on TG, the cast away vote TG hides true intentions, the fact he started this day with an quick nonchalance vote on you...using my own arguments in the hopes I hop on....really, really scummy.

 

Yup, yup.  Really just boils down to those simple facts.

 

I look forward to the post game. 

 

 

I'm not sure what the bold means.  Are you saying I shouldn't have voted DT?

 

 

Yes.  I get it...you didn't think it was the hammer...but at L-2 we usually wait until the player claims...to avoid exactly what happened here....

 

Really the only dirt I have on you this entire game.

 

 

I guess I was confused by what you said.  I'm used to "Follow the cop" referring to lynching the person they do.

 

 

Yeah but Darthe had asked us all to wait until DT made an appearance...again...really the only dirt I have on you...you played a clean game...I mean you did plop a vote on me at some point...but at that point that was probably a good decision...but other than that you played like a disinterested townie or scum trying to hide in the woodwork.  Not sure which.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

NB, what's your scumteam then? Clov/Mynd?

 

Mynd, you should be trying to convince me why Clov is scum.

 

Clov, you should be trying to convince me why Mynd is scum.

 

NB, you should be trying to convince me how Clov and Mynd fit together.

 

First, want to say thanks.  The Dick Dastardly comment was brilliant...if I didn't have a name or pic here I'd use that one.

 

My gut says vote Mynd first...after that re-evaluate...think about this...if we're both town...and I get it you ain't buying my shtick...but play with me here...if we're both town why bring us both along at the end...too easy to get the last mis-lynch...seriously Mynd is the dirtiest player left.

 

 

Haha are you saying that you and I were brought to F6 because we want to kill each other?

 

 

...and Mynd was the one who made the move to set the dominoes in motion.  Yes.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

again, why would a town Mynd come right out of the shoot and start that fight...hold on...had a thought.

[RandA lThor]

Holding on.

 

My gut is telling me NB and Mynd, but I stopped using my gut after it sucked a while ago. I guess this game will tell me to use either logic or gut cause logic is telling me

 

Clov/Mynd

 

NB your point makes sense, but it might be coincidental too. Not enough evidence to prove either way

[Tommyrod]

This has been one the strangest ML situations I've ever been in.

[Tommyrod]

2 of Mynd, NB, and Clov should be scum unless Rand is somehow scum and has played an awesome game and stayed out of the entire situation (or Darthe was pulling some kind of long con but I see no way that's feasible).

But every time I feel like we're getting to "X vs Y", someone brings up Z again, like nobody can decide who they're pushing.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

All that talk about me and TG yesterday makes a lot more sense now.  I thought it would be me instead though, but I guess I'm the one they figured for lynch instead. 

 

First things first,

 

[v] TommyRod [/v]

 

I could go Clov instead, but lets take out the ring leader first.

 

My case as promised. 

 

TownieTown Mansion

 

 

 

Darthe - UNcc'd cop in a basic game.  Mafia doesn't need to kill him if they can just roleblock him to kingdom come.  His value, besides his scumhunting skills, are that he is a nearly cleared townie.

 

Mynd - I may be old, but I remember when Vanilla was just vanilla, not this French Vanilla crap...and the MCP was just a calculator!!!

 

 

 

 

Slightly Town Condos

 

 

 

 

TG - I was already pulling back on TG before he tried to direct the DOC read.  I was hoping that my responses would suggest to the mafia that I was the DOC and that they should kill me instead.  I'm sure the mafia figured the same thing that I did.  Scum TG would not have engaged me like he did.  PR'd TG would though.  Then, when Tommy started rekindling the fire between us, I knew we were being set up.  I just thought that I was going to be the one dead today not him.  

 

Rand - He's been trying to clear more townies then find scum, a tandem that I thought would work better with my grass beating, but more on that post-game. 

 

 

 

 

Nullville Hotel

 

 

 

 

 

 

Slightly Scum Motel

 

 

 

Xthrax - He's OBVIOUSLY corrupted by the MCP!

 

Not Bob - I've played only a couple games with him, but he's kinda like Krak.  He definitely doesn't seem like someone who is pushing any kind of agenda.

 

 

 

 

SCUMBAD SALAD

 

 

 Tommy & Clov - If you read back this last night phase, it reads like two players trying to figure out who would be the easy lynch, but the key to their demise is what went down with Drunk Tank.  They both realized that if they hammered DT, they would still be in a position to pull out a win.  

 

Tommy has been a hard read because I like playing with non-troll Tommy, but his no-emo contract was a bit over the top.  I was surprised he gave my case assessment against TG a 4/10 instead of a 0/10 because it was totally out of my arse.  I was just trying to gauge a reaction from TG.....and I got one that distracted me from them. 

 

Day 2, I was on to Clov, but then I got mixed up in the TG mess again and started believing him to be scumbad. 

 

What I noticed about Tommy and Clov was that they were working in tandem, tossing just enough suspicion at each other to warrant some distancing but still kinda white knighting each other when you strip down their musings.  Clov only chose to case two players last night, but they served the same purpose.....isolate the Day 4 lynch to one of two players:  NotBob or Me. 

 

Re-read Clov's case on Tommy here.  It sounds like someone you hire to politically spin a congressman to sound positive yet real.  "Sure, he kinda looks scummy here and there, but wow he must be town because a scum would never say xxxxxx"  ITs all fluff and is designed to direct the rest of us off Tommy and onto me and NotBob.  He uses the same jargon as Tommy and puts either/or decisions at our feet. 

 

THe Tommy/NotBob exchange is not town/town so one of them has to be scum........then later says Tommy is looking town. 

 

 

 

 

If we lose this game, I'll take partial responsibility for playing a bit more aloof than I should have.  I had a hard time getting a good read on people this round, but I also should have stuck to a more logic and less reactionary approach.  I figured I was vanilla town and expendable.  I didn't expect to make it this far. 

 

 I prefer playing with logic and rational Tommy.  Too bad it was all a calculated way to keep him from getting lynched early.  If you notice though, his questions and prodding have been carefully designed to point us at the wrong players.  Drunk Tank, then last night's insistence on a dialog between myself and TG.  He had to get it out there or their choice of NK would not have been as big of an impact.

 

Anyways, there you have it.  Lynch Tommy or Clov today.  Otherwise, we lynch another townie and lose. 

 

Of course he didn't even bother waiting for Darthe's possible result.  

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Again, another reason why this has been such a hard read game......I can't tell if Tommy is playing reserved and calculated because he's a townie trying to not let emotions blur his logic or if he's a scum really trying to look as townie as possible without seeming like too much of a scum threat so that we don't question why the scum haven't killed him yet.  I get his whole reasoning of trying to play differently without the "play better" type remarks; however, is this just a planned scam to pull wool over our eyes and cover himself in sheep's clothing?

 

I like playing with this kind of Tommy better because I don't knee-jerk a scum read on him as much. 

 

But I gotta wonder, why hasn't he been Nk'd yet?

 

 

Dovetail that mess with this.......TG reeks of scum to me.  As many of you who have played with me in the old days, I like to throw anything I can at someone no matter if it makes sense or not just to see their reaction.  Beating the grass to startle the snakes is an actual Sun Tzu strategy and it has worked more often than not in these mafia games.  My case on him was full of holes, yet his reaction was way over the top on the scummeter.  He struck me as an enraged scummy who was scared to death that people might actually believe my crap. 

 

We've all been there, when a lynch is lead upon us with the weakest of reasons yet it sticks because the sheep follow.  Nothing is more frustrating to be mafia and have a great game going when suddenly, some moron shouts "scum slip" and suddenly you are a D1 lynch.  That fear of people believing the moron is what drives scum to overreact like TG did. 

 

Having said this, considering that there are maybe at most 2 scum left in this game, I am finding a couple players a bit more scummy than TG.  His overreaction could be all of the above yet coming from a townie instead. 

 

This has been a hard game to read.  I'm even starting to doubt Darthe now.  Well, part of my hydra is. 

 

I find I couple points very interesting. 

 

First is that you highlight our names.  It seems a subtle manipulation to draw people's eyes and make sure that our names stay in the forefront of their brains. 

 

The second is your obs of Tommy.  I'm glad to see his play is finally drawing your head out of your tunnel to the point of questioning these things.  One thing I find incredibly curious is your lack of mention about his terribad hammer.  Seems like something you would comment on as it is a rather large event in the course of the game.

 

The third is that I disagree entirely with your "firing the brush" as I mentioned earlier.  As I stated before, the reactions you seem to expect are rather different from the reactions that town/scum would have.  Scum want cases on them to go away while simultaneously wanting to not put themselves in the spotlight.  Thus, if there is a case that is full of bad logic and misrepresentations scum will often find ways to manipulate that don't involve the honest reaction of how ish the case is.  Town on the other hand should have a strong and visceral reaction to bad logic and misreps being thrown about in the thread, especially when it is directed toward them.  Town know they are being honest, don't need to hide, shouldn't mind the spotlight being on them, and are actually scumhunting so a "bad case" situation should rile them far more than it would scum. 

In short, I agree with that firing the brush is a method to get reactions.  I think your interpretation of those reactions is bass ackwards in every meaningful way.

 

The fourth interesting point is this (and I hate this one); you seem genuinely confused.  I associate that with a town tell rather than a scum tell as scum are never confused in the same way that town are (e.g. teammates). 

 

 

Interesting commentary

[Tommyrod]

Of course he didn't even bother waiting for Darthe's possible result.

 

Did you just make a reasonable point?

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

It beggars belief that I actually need to respond to Mynd here.

 

When I say TG reeks of scum, I mean exactly that.  I'm not saying he's town because he's no the scummiest on my list anymore, I'm saying that he's a "better looking burn victim" than some others.  It doesn't take away the fact that he completely overreacted to my grass beating.  Snakes don't hiss like that unless they feel guilty.

 

The problem is that I have about 4 players right now that seem scum to me and there can't be 4 mafia players left.  Who are they?  TG is one of them, but I will reveal the others in my aformentioned case which shall be presented on Day 3.   Should I live and whatever, of course. 

 

As far as why Vos and Beefarmi's kills......I asked because I really don't know.  What is your take on it?

 

 

You yourself stated your case was bad.  A townies natural reaction to a bad case is to think a scum is behind and push back hard.  Town "hiss" like that because what you said was terribad.

 

Ah yes, the sounds of a desperate man begging for everyone to believe him and not me. 

 

 

Okay Mynd, let's believe you when you say there are 3 people who you think are more likely scum than me.  /sarcasm.  Do you see why the above is a stupid statement?

 

 

Verily, your activity is worthy of commendation.

 

 

 

So I've been pushing Tommy hard and voting him this game yet you can't figure out that was a joke and put it into a narrative of asskissing.  Unbelievable.

 

 or you didn't notice until Tommy brought this up.   As rabid as you have been against me in this game, I highly doubt you even saw this or you would be all over it.

 

 

Take a look back at this game.  Does it, at any point, appear as though I'm not reading anything.  Can you honestly say you don't think I saw that?  It's beyond belief given my activity level and engagement which means you could only be trolling me.

 

Clov's deal was a lot of Teal Deer and stretching....but here we go....

 

Here it is if you missed it.

 

What I like:

 

"How is that possibly a reasonable response to what TG said?  Now in the first eleven pages, Mynd has thrown light suspicions at two different players for attempting to play the game.  When they respond to his questions - both of whom gave pretty decent answers IMO - he spins it in a way that makes them look bad, rather than accepting it and moving on."

 

Tg's reaction was not reasonable at all.  Apparently your version of "decent" is different than mine.  Lenlo gave better responses but both were scummy to me, TG more so than Lenlo.  How would calling out someone for doing something in their opinion as scummy be in itself scummy?  How you can believe that TG's reaction to my prodding case was reasonable is beyond me. 

This is a good observation and is exactly what NB has been doing; deflecting with trolling.

 

"So Mynd comes in, doesn't question Darthe about the target selection, doesn't question Darthe about his request, and he doesn't vote DT despite the fact he wouldn't have been the hammer.  He parks his vote on TG, who he should probably know is off the table as a lynch candidate, even without a guilty on somebody else. That seems more like he knew what was going to happen than an oblivious townie to me."

 

Doesn't question an uncc'd cop in a Basic game? No one did really.  Why is this a Mynd exclusive all of a sudden?  The speed at which you and Tommy voted DT convinces me that it was the right move. 

 

The point that Mynd voted away from Drunk would be really good if Darthe hadn't told people not to vote Drunk, but he's still exhibiting the "troll someone but don't really push them" behavior. He did it again just 30 minutes ago. If you think someone is scum -- you should try to sink them. I get being unsure, but Mynd, you've been taking jabs at TG for like a full irl week and still can't make up your mind about him?

 

First of all, just because someone cries TROLL doesn't mean the person is being one.  My case on TG was simply a poke to get a reaction on somethings that could have been scummy.  His reaction pushed him to the top of my list, and his D2 out the gate push on me furthered that I hit pretty close to the mark.  TG wants you to think my FOS is trolling, which it isn't.  He came at me full on D2 while I was casing other players.

 

What I don't like:

 

Clov posted this but didn't acknowledge my comment about his dialogue with NB sounding w/w. He hasn't posted since. If he comes back to the thread and isn't on Mynd's nuts I'll be disappointed. There should be some dialogue between them rather than a case with no followup. (I thought this came out of nowhere but I see he mentioned Mynd as more likely mafia than TG before he posted this, so meh.)

 

I'd like to see Mynd's response to this.

 

 

Again, full report in the AM, but the short version is this:

 

I think TG could be scum, he's still as scummy as he has been since D1.  He continues to do scummy things and comes across desperate for anyone to agree with him about me.  Unlike TG, I'm also considering other possible scum players and at this point, there are a couple (maybe three) that seem like they could be more likely scum than TG.  It doesn't make TG less scummy, it just makes him less likely to be scum than those other three. 

 

Responding to paragraphs

 

A) My reaction was entirely townie to a bad case that likely had scum behind it.  And nothing about your case was due to me being scummy, it was misrep after bad logic after misrep, so of course I was going to call it out.

 

B) I questioned the un-cc'd cop.  Maybe you aren't reading the game and too busy caught up in spreading WIFOM.

 

C) You're saying I came at you D2 "while you were casing other players" which is a manipulative way of saying that I'm tunneling while you're being reasonable.  Taking a look back I've pushed Clov, Tommy, Nyn, Darthe, and have engaged everyone else. 

 

The reason you couldn't name your "other three" besides me is because you are scum and had to figure out the best way to fabricate your reads.

 

I liked this as well.  TG was not moving away from Mynd