[Basic]TRON Mafia Game-Day 4

[Lenlo]

So Mynd has no town reads, only scum reads and null reads. Yup, seems legit.

[RandA lThor]

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

The only thing that seems off about this is that Mynd has some kinda town reads in his null post... Mynd why are you trying to keep people out of the slightly town condos?

[nervositee]

 

TommyRod - The contract, to me, seems like a townie who doesn't want emotions (his or others) to distract from scumhunting.  Sitting back with popcorn is something Vos should have pounced on.  He seems like he's trying to play objectively and not let emotions cloud his judgement.  That would be a townie play, but then again, he's letting a lot of us do the scumhunt work for him.  Hence: popcorn.

 

 

Eyh, I even voted him for it, so don't come here with "should have"

[nervositee]

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

 

Pure WIFOM though. 

[RandA lThor]

 

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

 

Pure WIFOM though. 

 

 

Hence the followup question

[Lenlo]

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

The only thing that seems off about this is that Mynd has some kinda town reads in his null post... Mynd why are you trying to keep people out of the slightly town condos?

Oh my goodness, your not even trying to hide it anymore. Your literally justifying every last thing Mynd does. The case, no matter how weak everyone else agrees it is, you call good. The reads list I call out, you give some situational logic that I can apply anywhere else to try and show hes town. "Well scum would do [blank] to try and earn town cred, so since they didnt do it that makes them town" is just horrible.

[Tyler Glembo]

It's likely not all accurate but I suspect that I am pretty spot on.

 

You make me laugh.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Mynd : You hypocrite.

[Tyler Glembo]

@Mynd: You made your "case" on me and I said I was going to wreck it.  You jumped all over me saying my reaction was bad.  Then, after I got back from my work meeting, I #rekt your case. 

 

What have you done since then?  You've said my reaction was bad and mocked my wrecking of your case with quotation marks.  Yet you have not responded to anything I said at all. 

 

So you hardcore tunnel on me, saying I'm scum for my overreaction.  But then you do the same when I turn it on you and don't even bother to respond to what I said. 

[Tyler Glembo]

@Mynd: I want an answer.

 

In your case, you said I was posting to Lenlo since I knew he was online from the QT.  You then said (in literally the next sentence) that I was posting to him that funny gif because I actually needed him to look at the QT.  So which was it?  Did I know Lenlo was online or did I need him to come online? 

[Tyler Glembo]

@ Mynd: I want answer #2.  Do you, or do you not know what RVS is?  Because my Kronos joke was obviously RVS but you are using that as a crux in your case which is mind-boggling.

[Tyler Glembo]

Ya Clov, what you're saying isn't wrong. You're right that scum probably SHOULD push mislynches rather than park on strong townies, yet it happens to me frequently anyway. As for whether it makes TG town, I dunno. I'm at wit's end with his tunnel vision and see his play ITG as more scummy than not, particularly the hypocrisy. He's usually a guy with good points as town so him honing in on me like this keeps making me switch between "???" and "he must be scum."

 

So chance of us being town/town still exists, but his behavior is a step beyond reasonable doubt from where I sit. At the very least, it's a distraction. I was hoping more people would pitch in.

 

Tommy, part of my issue with you in this game is as follows.  When I have engaged you, much of your response to me has been to manipulate me rather than straightforwardly addressing the issues I brought up.  In my view, you have done so by threatening me, by trying to act like an authority figure and telling me to behave, by complimenting me, and then conversely insulting me. 

 

From my perspective there are only two reasons for you to manipulate in such a fashion, a) you're scum or b) you think I'm less than you (as a player or less intelligent, take your pick) and can therefore manipulate me. 

 

Now, maybe you think you're better than me, hence your lolcat comment about how I couldn't get you lynched D1.  Fine, maybe you are, I don't know.  I don't think of myself as a bad player but I certainly haven't put in as much time as you. 

 

But, I have seen, more than once, good players who are scum try to manipulate what they think are lesser players in the same manner.  Thus, my conclusion is that you both think I'm a lesser player and also are caught as scum all at once. 

 

How does this play into your non-emotional treaty?  Well, I'm not emotional about it.  I like you as a player and through our other interactions in threads.  But as for this game, it has me convinced you rolled wolf.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

The only thing that seems off about this is that Mynd has some kinda town reads in his null post... Mynd why are you trying to keep people out of the slightly town condos?

Oh my goodness, your not even trying to hide it anymore. Your literally justifying every last thing Mynd does. The case, no matter how weak everyone else agrees it is, you call good. The reads list I call out, you give some situational logic that I can apply anywhere else to try and show hes town. "Well scum would do [blank] to try and earn town cred, so since they didnt do it that makes them town" is just horrible.

 

 

@Rand - Is there anything Mynd has done so far in this game that you disagree with?

[Tyler Glembo]

 

 

TommyRod - The contract, to me, seems like a townie who doesn't want emotions (his or others) to distract from scumhunting.  Sitting back with popcorn is something Vos should have pounced on.  He seems like he's trying to play objectively and not let emotions cloud his judgement.  That would be a townie play, but then again, he's letting a lot of us do the scumhunt work for him.  Hence: popcorn.

 

 

Eyh, I even voted him for it, so don't come here with "should have"

 

 

Slips like this are pushing Mynd further into my scumpool.

[Tyler Glembo]

TG -  Won't lynch DT because he's new to DM?     Here is his "explanation" when pressed by Nyn. 

 

I just want to point this out for everyone else to see.  Besides everything else being terribad, here Mynd claims I said I "won't lynch DT because he's new to DM?"  Go ahead, click the link.  Did you read what I actually said?  Yes, that's right, I said D1.  Mynd purposely misreps me and hopes that nobody will notice.

[Tommyrod]

TG,

 

I went back to see what your scum game was like when we were scumbros in Basel's Star Wars game.

 

And here's what I found:

 

 

Lots and lots of one-liners, a reactive rather than proactive playstyle, and large lapses in activity. You had 53 posts in that game, with 40+ of them being one or two sentences. Here are some of your bulkier quotes (there's not much):

 

 

 

TG the picture of your son is so cute!

Thanks!

 

Claimed with no heat in a game where there are no fakeclaims and he's not csarmi

 

He roleclaimed cop last game with like one vote on him as scum

 

Monk's outed

 

kill him

How on earth would you know whether or not there are fakeclaims unless you're scum? Am I misunderstanding here?

 

by talk of csarmi it is very, very, very likely scum have some character claims or else we'd all just massclaim and GAME OVAR

And now you're saying there are fakeclaims? Explain the sudden backtracking.

 

Good evening everyone, I am Krak.

 

 

 

Vote Tommy as I find him a despicable character.

Awesome OP.

 

 

 

see: typo

 

i'm clearly implying there are fakeclaims

I'll take it on context

 

Hello TG. What do you make of the way Fishlami said you're strong scum without pushing you and then ended up not voting at all at EOD1 (not for you, not for Nolder)?

I didn't notice at the time as I was too busy IRL most of the weekend and was more focused on the Nol debate. I'll go back and look.

 

 

 

You don't get to sit back. You get to respond point-by-point to the post that Despot just made about you.

*continues to eat popcorn*

 

 

Checking in. Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages? This is gonna be fun :-)

 

Only two things worth commenting on. CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before. The spam is over the top tho.

 

Has Tommy played here before? Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum. I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town. Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing. Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

 

Just wanna point out what still remains the scummiest OP in the game as well as one of the scummiest posts.

 

Anyways, italics is a prime example of what I was talking about scum would likely do- either distance or stay away from the Nolder train. TG hardcore defends Nolder and fos's me and Tom, saying we're deliberately misunderstanding Nolder. Could easily see scum!TG deciding to do this to try and later use a Nolder flip against us.

 

 

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question. Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves.

 

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out. Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment. And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum. I have a town read on him.

After Nol asks for a replacement, TG comes in and says a Nol lynch is out of the question and that his replacement will have to speak for themselves... looks to me like a scummie trying to save a lynch for later (using the early Nol stuff and replacing out to implicate his replacement at some future day)

 

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens. Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it.

 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game. I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

Bold: TG links Nolder to Tina here, saying if he flipped mafia she'd be his teammate, thereby potentially setting her up to look better in his eyes with a Nol town flip.

 

Underlined: Lynching "for info" eh? Scum will often push lynches as "info" lynches early on, to try and be on a train while not looking too committed to it.

 

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is. Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO. I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

 

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

Main thing I don't like about this post is the last little bit- TG brings up what he did last game (when he was lynched town) in a possible attempt to make himself look townie this game.

 

MOD QUESTION

 

Nol has quit and therefore all votes on Nol are reset, correct?

TG possibly playing the "helpful townie" angle

 

Firing the brush to catch slips is one thing. Purposely taking things out of context, purposely misinterpreting, and purposely pushing people with trumped up cases for the sole purpose of frustrating them is another. I've never really agreed with your method of scumhunting because your "cases" do more to frustrate than anything else. Scum, because they are already acting, will have a more reasonable reaction to your purposeful frustration tactics whereas town will get more angry and upset since that is a more honest and natural reaction. In the end it muddies the water and doesn't help catch scum. Case in point? Nolder. I thought that you were purposely taking it too far and purposely misunderstanding him and that, to me, is either scummy or not good town scumhunting play. So, that is why I said I didn't like it and I still don't. His continued play after that gave me a scum lean on him, but the early on stuff by you and Tommy was trumped up and gave me a scum lean on you two for pushing it.

 

What bothers me most about your whole post is this. You are seeding a reaction. I said early on that you were pushing a trumped up case. You yourself admit that you do this often. Well, I think it's scumtastic and said so. Your response is to say that I'm laying the groundwork for a future push, thereby trying to future-proof yourself against any scumhunting I do on you throughout the rest of the game. Then you go through and "analyze" each post with that conclusion in mind, making each post I've written conform to that already reached conclusion. Moreso, it colors how everyone else is going to read our interactions. You consistently do stuff like this when you're scum, trying to future-proof yourself against any push on you by discrediting anyone in thread who is suspicious of you.

 

 

 

Dude who are you

 

I've never read those books anyway

 

Did you tell us who we should be lynching today

Good books and well worth reading. Just skip books 7,8,9, lol

 

I thought Monk to start the day, then he claimed Han. I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP. Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS. Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral.

 

 

 

I don't think TG really understands me

I guess not.

 

How can you be null on me

 

HOW

I think there is scum in the #alliance crew and I have both town and anti-town pings on you. I don't like how you and Despo seemed to misinterpret Nol's posts right off the bat. You've been actively scumhunting and very pro-town. So null. If I was forced to pick one way or another I'd say town lean based on the fact that your posts look genuine and you look more concerned with scumhunting than keeping yourself clean.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how you can tell me I'm actively scumhunting and yet I'm null, then tell me Despot and I were just "misinterpreting" Nolder's posts. Did another seven people also misinterpret it? Or do you think they're all scum? Look at the EOD1 votes:

 

 

Quoting you: "I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP. Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS. Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral. "

 

That means you think SP, AJ, Salami, Darthe and possibly Golden all "misinterpreted" Nolder as well since you think they're town or null, right?

You and Des purposely pushed it with Nold by misinterpreting his words as black or white at the outset. That is what I didn't like.

 

Then, as the situation progressed, Nol melted down and looked scummy. As it continued to progress I thought Nol looked scummy throughout the next few RL days and X's defense didn't help. A lot happened between that initial interaction, which I didn't like, to a couple days later when Nol/X got lynched.

 

 

 

From an objective standpoint what I see here are vague leanings, a reticence to speak before spoken to, and a general lack of that sharpness I associate with your town game. So your current postcount and thread awareness and aggression points to you being town unless you've enhanced your scum game considerably in the past half year.

 

And for the record I DO think you're a good player and don't look down on you.

 

But you need to understand -- I've been adjusting my style SPECIFICALLY to be more objective and avoid a repeat of the debacle that occurred in Blackhoof's game where I was kicking and screaming and ended up getting killed while appealing to the players I was correctly clearing as they lynched me D1 anyway.

 

So here's the last I'm going to say about it: what you see as me over-inflating my towniness isn't an attempt to clear myself, it's my tendency to break the fourth wall and speak very matter-of-fact about my meta and the going-ons of games. I got lynched for this in Blackhoof's game as well. What you view as manipulation or intimidation is my exasperation for being pushed D1 in a game immediately after I specifically change my play to avoid that situation. I hate being pushed D1, it feels like a personal dig at me, and I tend to get paranoid and assume players pushing me D1 are scum because "how could he suspect ME?" It's difficult for me to believe that *I* am the scummiest player in the thread to you, or to anyone. It's so difficult for me to believe that my gut reaction to seeing someone typically level headed like you espousing it is "he's full of crap." That's doubly true for arguments like this where it feels like you're taking MY arguments against you and pushing them against me and hoping nobody notices. It's a bit of an ego thing, and I'll try to be more mindful of it going forward.

 

So I'm going to move on; I think discussing the other players, particularly those who have been happy to let this probable town/town argument brew without jumping into the thread to deflect the energy, is the +EV play.

 

NotBob -- you lumped me together with him for reasons I still don't understand, but you can't ignore how bad his "case" on me has been. I imagine him like Dick Dastardly from the Wacky Racers, twirling his waxed mustache as he makes posts like "lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now." He completely ignored me backhanding him and has completely ignored you and me going at it other than to egg on Tommy hate with flaccid "nice one!" commentary.

 

Darthe -- since we started fighting he's gone into joking summary mode and not provided a smidge of reasoning that I can find, and his clearance of me was pretty poor. I don't expect a lot from Darthe, but I expect more than this. I have no idea what he meant by Salami fishing for dirt to throw around or whatever, Salami was just being matter-of-fact. Clov pointed out how he said he'd be reading the heads separately, but he seems to be ignoring BFG.

 

Drunk -- he's about as subdued as is possible, and in a game that's been fairly active and fraught with bickering, that's bad. Can you remember his stances in this game? His only vote so far is a classic "talk about one player, vote for another" scum post.

 

And I know you're currently ಠ_ಠing at Mynd; I recognize that his failure to update any of his reads since about 2 days ago is odd considering he's been around since then, and that his acting like I was seconding his case on you when I had different reasons for being skeptical of you is also unusual, but I like that he's unwilling to clear anyone and I can see why he's been on your case -> I saw the same lolhorribad reaction you had to his initial casing of you that he saw.

 

While I wrote this it's dawning on me I have almost zero conception of where Len or Rand currently stand (though based purely on the threadflow perspective, gun to my head, Rand is town). I need to go back and do a clean sweep of the thread.

[Tommyrod]

[unvote]

 

[v]NotBob[/v]

[Myndrunner]

Kinda does since scum would almost always have town reads to give them town cred.

 

The only thing that seems off about this is that Mynd has some kinda town reads in his null post... Mynd why are you trying to keep people out of the slightly town condos?

 

Gentrification?

 

I'm really not leaning town on anyone at this point, even though there are some I could soon put over there depending on how this D1 turns out.  I'm trying not to assume too much in this game while still beating the grass.   You are actually a great example of where I stand and kinda smack in the middle of my overall reads.  You started out scummy, then went town, then scummy, then town again.  Its like each post changes my mynd about you.  If this was a standards-based assessment, you'd be in the middle percentile with Malcom.

[Myndrunner]

So Mynd has no town reads, only scum reads and null reads. Yup, seems legit.

 

No one is likely town at this point from my POV.  I'm more concerned about those who give town credit to others for weak reasons. 

 

What is the purpose of this post here anyway?  You don't comment on anything I said but you want to downplay and discredit my reads.  Why are you so afraid that others might actually take me seriously?  I don't take myself seriously half the time. 

[Tyler Glembo]

TG,

 

I went back to see what your scum game was like when we were scumbros in Basel's Star Wars game.

 

And here's what I found:

 

 

Lots and lots of one-liners, a reactive rather than proactive playstyle, and large lapses in activity. You had 53 posts in that game, with 40+ of them being one or two sentences. Here are some of your bulkier quotes (there's not much):

 

 

 

TG the picture of your son is so cute!

Thanks!

 

Claimed with no heat in a game where there are no fakeclaims and he's not csarmi

 

He roleclaimed cop last game with like one vote on him as scum

 

Monk's outed

 

kill him

How on earth would you know whether or not there are fakeclaims unless you're scum? Am I misunderstanding here?

 

by talk of csarmi it is very, very, very likely scum have some character claims or else we'd all just massclaim and GAME OVAR

And now you're saying there are fakeclaims? Explain the sudden backtracking.

 

Good evening everyone, I am Krak.

 

 

 

Vote Tommy as I find him a despicable character.

Awesome OP.

 

 

 

see: typo

 

i'm clearly implying there are fakeclaims

I'll take it on context

 

Hello TG. What do you make of the way Fishlami said you're strong scum without pushing you and then ended up not voting at all at EOD1 (not for you, not for Nolder)?

I didn't notice at the time as I was too busy IRL most of the weekend and was more focused on the Nol debate. I'll go back and look.

 

 

 

You don't get to sit back. You get to respond point-by-point to the post that Despot just made about you.

*continues to eat popcorn*

 

 

Checking in. Game isn't even half a day old and already almost 10 pages? This is gonna be fun :-)

 

Only two things worth commenting on. CS's play is crap, but I'm leaning town because I've seen it from him before. The spam is over the top tho.

 

Has Tommy played here before? Because he and Des are tops on my list for scum. I agree with Nol that posting spammity spam and lurking are anti-town. Tommy and Des both seem to be purposely misunderstanding what Nol is saying and painting it as a black or white type thing. Des at least shouldn't be purposely misunderstanding this as he is a DM vet.

 

Just wanna point out what still remains the scummiest OP in the game as well as one of the scummiest posts.

 

Anyways, italics is a prime example of what I was talking about scum would likely do- either distance or stay away from the Nolder train. TG hardcore defends Nolder and fos's me and Tom, saying we're deliberately misunderstanding Nolder. Could easily see scum!TG deciding to do this to try and later use a Nolder flip against us.

 

 

If Nol is being replaced then a Nol lynch is out of question. Whoever replaces Nol will have to speak up for themselves.

 

As for my reads, I still don't like where Des has come out. Monk looks bad after coming in, reading the thread and being able to make the "'Sup" joke but then saying he hadn't read enough to comment. And I stand by my statement that CS was flooding the thread with crap but that doesn't make him scum. I have a town read on him.

After Nol asks for a replacement, TG comes in and says a Nol lynch is out of the question and that his replacement will have to speak for themselves... looks to me like a scummie trying to save a lynch for later (using the early Nol stuff and replacing out to implicate his replacement at some future day)

 

We can lynch whoever replacing in for Nol, when that happens. Until then, at least from my experience, the Mod will remove all Nol votes and that slot basically doesn't exist until someone fills it.

 

If Nol is mafia then I'd say Tina is teammate especially given how she mostly ignored everything about Nol which has comprised most of the game. I'd lynch at least one of those two for info.

Bold: TG links Nolder to Tina here, saying if he flipped mafia she'd be his teammate, thereby potentially setting her up to look better in his eyes with a Nol town flip.

 

Underlined: Lynching "for info" eh? Scum will often push lynches as "info" lynches early on, to try and be on a train while not looking too committed to it.

 

At that point, there was a bit of firing the brush in making it more black and white than it is. Spammy posting to the point of obscuring the thread and lurking to give no info are both anti-town IMO. I think Nol is scummy more for his gameplay since (see below) and the Tina/Kronos/Nol interactions than I do for scumhunting in spammers and lurkers.

 

Then again, I'm still pissed that I got lynched D1 last game for just posting a count of low posters to get them to post more and saying that lurking doesn't help town.

Main thing I don't like about this post is the last little bit- TG brings up what he did last game (when he was lynched town) in a possible attempt to make himself look townie this game.

 

MOD QUESTION

 

Nol has quit and therefore all votes on Nol are reset, correct?

TG possibly playing the "helpful townie" angle

 

Firing the brush to catch slips is one thing. Purposely taking things out of context, purposely misinterpreting, and purposely pushing people with trumped up cases for the sole purpose of frustrating them is another. I've never really agreed with your method of scumhunting because your "cases" do more to frustrate than anything else. Scum, because they are already acting, will have a more reasonable reaction to your purposeful frustration tactics whereas town will get more angry and upset since that is a more honest and natural reaction. In the end it muddies the water and doesn't help catch scum. Case in point? Nolder. I thought that you were purposely taking it too far and purposely misunderstanding him and that, to me, is either scummy or not good town scumhunting play. So, that is why I said I didn't like it and I still don't. His continued play after that gave me a scum lean on him, but the early on stuff by you and Tommy was trumped up and gave me a scum lean on you two for pushing it.

 

What bothers me most about your whole post is this. You are seeding a reaction. I said early on that you were pushing a trumped up case. You yourself admit that you do this often. Well, I think it's scumtastic and said so. Your response is to say that I'm laying the groundwork for a future push, thereby trying to future-proof yourself against any scumhunting I do on you throughout the rest of the game. Then you go through and "analyze" each post with that conclusion in mind, making each post I've written conform to that already reached conclusion. Moreso, it colors how everyone else is going to read our interactions. You consistently do stuff like this when you're scum, trying to future-proof yourself against any push on you by discrediting anyone in thread who is suspicious of you.

 

 

 

Dude who are you

 

I've never read those books anyway

 

Did you tell us who we should be lynching today

Good books and well worth reading. Just skip books 7,8,9, lol

 

I thought Monk to start the day, then he claimed Han. I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP. Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS. Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral.

 

 

 

I don't think TG really understands me

I guess not.

 

How can you be null on me

 

HOW

I think there is scum in the #alliance crew and I have both town and anti-town pings on you. I don't like how you and Despo seemed to misinterpret Nol's posts right off the bat. You've been actively scumhunting and very pro-town. So null. If I was forced to pick one way or another I'd say town lean based on the fact that your posts look genuine and you look more concerned with scumhunting than keeping yourself clean.

 

 

 

I'm not sure how you can tell me I'm actively scumhunting and yet I'm null, then tell me Despot and I were just "misinterpreting" Nolder's posts. Did another seven people also misinterpret it? Or do you think they're all scum? Look at the EOD1 votes:

 

 

Quoting you: "I have scum leans on Des, Tina, Cory, Kronos and maybe SP. Town on Krak, Monk, AJ, CS. Null on you, Turin, GE, Pral. "

 

That means you think SP, AJ, Salami, Darthe and possibly Golden all "misinterpreted" Nolder as well since you think they're town or null, right?

You and Des purposely pushed it with Nold by misinterpreting his words as black or white at the outset. That is what I didn't like.

 

Then, as the situation progressed, Nol melted down and looked scummy. As it continued to progress I thought Nol looked scummy throughout the next few RL days and X's defense didn't help. A lot happened between that initial interaction, which I didn't like, to a couple days later when Nol/X got lynched.

 

 

 

From an objective standpoint what I see here are vague leanings, a reticence to speak before spoken to, and a general lack of that sharpness I associate with your town game. So your current postcount and thread awareness and aggression points to you being town unless you've enhanced your scum game considerably in the past half year.

 

And for the record I DO think you're a good player and don't look down on you.

 

But you need to understand -- I've been adjusting my style SPECIFICALLY to be more objective and avoid a repeat of the debacle that occurred in Blackhoof's game where I was kicking and screaming and ended up getting killed while appealing to the players I was correctly clearing as they lynched me D1 anyway.

 

So here's the last I'm going to say about it: what you see as me over-inflating my towniness isn't an attempt to clear myself, it's my tendency to break the fourth wall and speak very matter-of-fact about my meta and the going-ons of games. I got lynched for this in Blackhoof's game as well. What you view as manipulation or intimidation is my exasperation for being pushed D1 in a game immediately after I specifically change my play to avoid that situation. I hate being pushed D1, it feels like a personal dig at me, and I tend to get paranoid and assume players pushing me D1 are scum because "how could he suspect ME?" It's difficult for me to believe that *I* am the scummiest player in the thread to you, or to anyone. It's so difficult for me to believe that my gut reaction to seeing someone typically level headed like you espousing it is "he's full of crap." That's doubly true for arguments like this where it feels like you're taking MY arguments against you and pushing them against me and hoping nobody notices. It's a bit of an ego thing, and I'll try to be more mindful of it going forward.

 

So I'm going to move on; I think discussing the other players, particularly those who have been happy to let this probable town/town argument brew without jumping into the thread to deflect the energy, is the +EV play.

 

NotBob -- you lumped me together with him for reasons I still don't understand, but you can't ignore how bad his "case" on me has been. I imagine him like Dick Dastardly from the Wacky Racers, twirling his waxed mustache as he makes posts like "lol...ur scum...u know it and i know it now." He completely ignored me backhanding him and has completely ignored you and me going at it other than to egg on Tommy hate with flaccid "nice one!" commentary.

 

Darthe -- since we started fighting he's gone into joking summary mode and not provided a smidge of reasoning that I can find, and his clearance of me was pretty poor. I don't expect a lot from Darthe, but I expect more than this. I have no idea what he meant by Salami fishing for dirt to throw around or whatever, Salami was just being matter-of-fact. Clov pointed out how he said he'd be reading the heads separately, but he seems to be ignoring BFG.

 

Drunk -- he's about as subdued as is possible, and in a game that's been fairly active and fraught with bickering, that's bad. Can you remember his stances in this game? His only vote so far is a classic "talk about one player, vote for another" scum post.

 

And I know you're currently ಠ_ಠing at Mynd; I recognize that his failure to update any of his reads since about 2 days ago is odd considering he's been around since then, and that his acting like I was seconding his case on you when I had different reasons for being skeptical of you is also unusual, but I like that he's unwilling to clear anyone and I can see why he's been on your case -> I saw the same lolhorribad reaction you had to his initial casing of you that he saw.

 

While I wrote this it's dawning on me I have almost zero conception of where Len or Rand currently stand (though based purely on the threadflow perspective, gun to my head, Rand is town). I need to go back and do a clean sweep of the thread.

 

 

Solid.  I can handle direct engagement and this post strikes me as legit thought.  You might still be wolf, but at least I understand the mind set.

 

To answer a few of your (implied?) questions, I threw NotBob in with you to see what your reaction would be.  Interestingly enough you had very different reactions between my linking you to Clov (which I thought was legit) as compared to me linking you with NotBob (which was firing the brush). 

 

As for Darthe, I viewed him wolfy for his entrance, then threw him to the town pile after his MQ catchup.  He has disappeared again which concerns me, though Darthe has been awfully lazy the last 6 months or so, and that means I can't tell the diff between him wolf-lurking and him lazy-lurking. 

 

Drunk, I'm ready to lynch tomorrow without significant improvement. 

[Tyler Glembo]

As an aside, I played like ish that Star Wars game.  It was my first game back after a loooong LOA.  Let's not judge me based off that alone, lol

[Tyler Glembo]

[unvote]

[Lenlo]

 

So Mynd has no town reads, only scum reads and null reads. Yup, seems legit.

 

No one is likely town at this point from my POV.  I'm more concerned about those who give town credit to others for weak reasons. 

 

What is the purpose of this post here anyway?  You don't comment on anything I said but you want to downplay and discredit my reads.  Why are you so afraid that others might actually take me seriously?  I don't take myself seriously half the time. 

 

You did nothing but rehash/consolidate in that post. Ive already commented and given my thoughts on most of those points of yours and I didnt feel like repeating them /again/

[Myndrunner]

 

 

So Mynd has no town reads, only scum reads and null reads. Yup, seems legit.

 

No one is likely town at this point from my POV.  I'm more concerned about those who give town credit to others for weak reasons. 

 

What is the purpose of this post here anyway?  You don't comment on anything I said but you want to downplay and discredit my reads.  Why are you so afraid that others might actually take me seriously?  I don't take myself seriously half the time. 

 

You did nothing but rehash/consolidate in that post. Ive already commented and given my thoughts on most of those points of yours and I didnt feel like repeating them /again/

 

 

I talked about everyone in there.  Why are you only focused on my comments with your name on it?   If you were truly scumhunting, you would have read the whole thing.

 

I can't put anyone in the town condos yet because no one has really done anything significantly town.  Vos is one I typically read as town yet even he seems a bit sketchy to me in this game.  True, my post was mostly a summation of what I have already gathered, but nothing significant has occurred since my last post.  Why wouldn't anyone be curious about my thoughts on each player at this point?

 

Your comment added nothing to this game or does not help the town in any way.  Its only purpose is to attempt to tell other players "Move along, nothing to see here" which is what a scum would want.  I mean, its one thing to disagree with me.  To attempt to downplay and discredit Why are you so afraid of other players reading my case?

 

Strange. 

[Myndrunner]

 

 

TommyRod - The contract, to me, seems like a townie who doesn't want emotions (his or others) to distract from scumhunting.  Sitting back with popcorn is something Vos should have pounced on.  He seems like he's trying to play objectively and not let emotions cloud his judgement.  That would be a townie play, but then again, he's letting a lot of us do the scumhunt work for him.  Hence: popcorn.

 

 

Eyh, I even voted him for it, so don't come here with "should have"

 

 

I stand corrected.......er, sit corrected.