[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[Red2111]

btw thsi got over looked.  its in a seperate post from my cathc up for a reason

 

reposted to fix the quoteing thing. thsi is the 2nd time Dm has done this to me

 

 

 

 

I for one think this talk about Dap being gone (Red was the first I saw to complain about it twice, fos'ing him for it even tho she has me as LOCK SCUM and isn't calling Mynd a liar, which means logic SHOULD have her thinking Dap is town) is a complete red herring and a ruse, designed for us to talk about other stuff since it won't be easy for scum to mislynch me

 

If you were town, you'd already be dead.  #RealTalk

 

 

Why?

 

Fyi I AM town, so you're apparently completely wrong

 

 

isn't telling someone they're completely wrong a scum slip?

 

 

according to Despo, it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's another juicy one for yall, and it's short and sweet and absolutely makes Red look AWFUL

 

 

 

You are generally correct in saying that (about Red being wrong A LOT- I used to hate her for it, then I grew to love her for it   )

luv ya too bro. even though yer horribly wrong this game.

 

 

 

This is a scumslip yall. Complete and utter scumslip.

 

Lock Red up and take her to the clink.

 

Red says I'm "horribly wrong" this game.............. which actually means she knows me to be town. Otherwise, how could I be "wrong" about something or someone? I think she slips that in cause SHE knew I was wrong about Tommy, and momentarily forgot she was supposed to be handling me as a scum read. Cause yeah, scum aren't wrong. They're scum.

 

Complete and blatant slip on Red's part, and I will likely be emphasizing this again for anyone that's skimming my case on Red. She is LOCK SCUM CONFIRMED.

 

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

I was saying Wombat is wrong in that particular instance Red. He said if I was town I'd be dead, but I KNOW I'm town and in still alive. Hence- he's wrong. In this case he can still be scum and be wrong in that instance.

 

You said I was "horribly wrong this game", indicating you thought or KNEW my reads were bad or something, indicating that you KNOW me to be town

 

It doesn't surprise me that you pull that card, bit anyone with a working brain will see right through that charade fyi

[dawnflower8]

Despo seems to think everything is a scumslip.

[hazelkrs1]

Nice try tho

 

*pat pat*

 

[Red2111]

 

I was saying Wombat is wrong in that particular instance Red. He said if I was town I'd be dead, but I KNOW I'm town and in still alive. Hence- he's wrong. In this case he can still be scum and be wrong in that instance.

 

You said I was "horribly wrong this game", indicating you thought or KNEW my reads were bad or something, indicating that you KNOW me to be town

 

It doesn't surprise me that you pull that card, bit anyone with a working brain will see right through that charade fyi

 

whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

you've tooted the "calling someone wrong is a scum slip" on more than me this game.

 

you just commited a scum slip by your own logic.

 

 

 

and you're arguing semantics.

 

at that point you were calling me scum, infact you posted the "gonna ignore Red from now on" post as well.

 

i was calign you "horribly wrong" because you were callign  me scum.  i know i'm town, and you are calling me scum, therefore you are wrong.

 

so the context in both are the same.

[hazelkrs1]

Despo seems to think everything is a scumslip.

If you're saying this, while trying to "agree" with Red, the admitted "spray and pray" type scumhunter, then all I gotta say is

 

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

 

And keep trying to do everything in your power to lynch me. It's cute

 

 

Won't work tho FYI. I'm TOP TIER TOWN like a BAWSH!

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

I was saying Wombat is wrong in that particular instance Red. He said if I was town I'd be dead, but I KNOW I'm town and in still alive. Hence- he's wrong. In this case he can still be scum and be wrong in that instance.

 

You said I was "horribly wrong this game", indicating you thought or KNEW my reads were bad or something, indicating that you KNOW me to be town

 

It doesn't surprise me that you pull that card, bit anyone with a working brain will see right through that charade fyi

whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

 

you've tooted the "calling someone wrong is a scum slip" on more than me this game.

 

you just commited a scum slip by your own logic.

 

 

 

and you're arguing semantics.

 

at that point you were calling me scum, infact you posted the "gonna ignore Red from now on" post as well.

 

i was calign you "horribly wrong" because you were callign me scum. i know i'm town, and you are calling me scum, therefore you are wrong.

 

so the context in both are the same.

Its not semantics, I clearly laid out how the situations are different, but meh not gonna argue with you about it.

 

Keep railing on me like you're pissing in the wind. YOU'RE the one who will come out smellin like piss!

 

[Red2111]

i didnt point it out for my benefit Despo. i pointed it out for the towns.

 

i'm happy to let them come to their own conclusions on it, as you said theres not enough derp in this thread for them not to.

 

 

between that and your other behavior the only people who are in your corner are your scum buddies.

[hazelkrs1]

I couldn't be "horribly wrong" by calling you scum while also being a scum read for you Red. To be wrong about your alignment, I'd have to be town.

 

Wombat wasn't talking about me saying i was scum there- he said if i was town I'd be dead. He made a statement that is in fact outright wrong, which he could still make as scum.

[Red2111]

I couldn't be "horribly wrong" by calling you scum while also being a scum read for you Red. To be wrong about your alignment, I'd have to be town.

 

Wombat wasn't talking about me saying i was scum there- he said if i was town I'd be dead. He made a statement that is in fact outright wrong, which he could still make as scum.

 

go ahead and try to walk that thin line.

 

underline - which IS calling you scum.  

 

bold - yes you can

 

italics - you trying to say a scum can't push a townies lynch?

[Red2111]

back to catching up
 
 

 

Here's something else I just considered, and hear me out since I think this is something even people on the fence or w/e can appreciate:

 

No matter how Wombat flips, town gains an absolute treasure trove of info. Observe:

 

Womba Scum Flip

 

Red would look a bit worse, and at the very least town would no she had no idea what she was talking about and would disregard her "reads" (good for town)

 

Hallia would look a LOT worse for her craptastic vote on me and just saying "Wombat's responses have been good"

 

Dawn would look bad for thinking Wombat was the townies player in the game, and then not really being able to explain why (her response was lolbad)

 

Myself, Mynd, and Dap would all be pretty much LOCK CLEAR for every other townie

 

Wombat Town Flip

 

Either Dap is scum or Mynd is lying (I'm still town in this scenario FYI)

 

Dawn look TERRIBLE for TMI slipping that Wombat was town

 

Red looks better, not quite LOCK CLEAR but at least some of the wifom would die out on her

 

All those who subtly pushed @ Wombat during the night would then look a bit worse

 

---

 

And that's just off the top of my head, there's likely a lot more info town would gain

 

 

 

just wanting you to clarify, regaurdless of how womby flips Dawn is scum then.

 

 

yep, Despo's so not settign up lynches 

that was sarcasim, incase you missed it in the tone because i didn't include a gif or emoticon

 

added a gif just so were clear, it was sarcastic

 

oh and

 

 

 

im a psychic heres depsos reaction

 

 

wait for it

 

 

 

 

 

OMG moar red defending dawn lawl

 

 

 

pre-emptive

 

 

 

 

that last gif was Darren Criss.  i'd know that sexy backside anywhere.  *drools*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dislike how Pral, Vos, Nyn & Clov have parked their votes on Womby and just split.
 
Colv and Nyn i can sorta forgive, they both at least gave a case on Womby.  Pral and Vos though, they straight up parked and split.  if you lot are town you need to get your assests back in here and make an informed decisions and tell us why, with all this new info since Mynd revealed his findings last night, you are leaving your vote on Womby instead of switch to blatantly obv scu

 
You do realize there are also two players who aren't voting at all and one player who was voting outside of Des/Wombat at the time of this post? According to your logic, that's legit but people voting for Wombat isn't? Noted  lol
 
 
I have made an informed decision in regards to Wombat. I've seen no reason to change my vote on him. I'm afraid that you declaring him as locktown just isn't gonna cut it.:P    And if Mynd is legit and he's got scum in the pool of: Wombat, Des and Dap, then it only reinforces my opinion of Wombat, because he's the scummiest of the three, IMO.

 

 

bold - you do realize i called them out in the same post right.

 

underlined - and in this same post i pointed out that atleast you had a case on him.

 

 

nice to see my poke at you got you posting as well.  3 for 3 right now.  so stay away and get more active.
 

 

I for one think this talk about Dap being gone (Red was the first I saw to complain about it twice, fos'ing him for it even tho she has me as LOCK SCUM and isn't calling Mynd a liar, which means logic SHOULD have her thinking Dap is town) is a complete red herring and a ruse, designed for us to talk about other stuff since it won't be easy for scum to mislynch me

 
If you were town, you'd already be dead.  #RealTalk

 

QFT

[Red2111]

one more after this

 

 

 

Yes, I was saying you have too many suspects on your list. No way are there 6 in the game. I never had a scum read on Darthe. He was always very town to me.

 

And I guess those do make sense as to why you think I'm scum if Wombat's town. But I actually just think Wombat's play seems very town and think we shouldn't lynch him, and try to lynch someone else. (Preferably you or Red, since I'm pretty sure one of you is scum.)

 bold - for the 2nd time Dawn, why the 180 on me.  D1 you were lock!clear on me.  now you've waffled and either me or despo are scum.

 

 

  

 

 

I wasn't trying to say there are 6 scum in the game. Those are just my suspects atm. Obv I'm wrong about 1-2 of them, but overall I think town will be in good shape if we focus there.

 

Fwiw, that last response was a little better than any of your other recent posts.

 

Also, if you actually are town, you're committing a pretty big sin for any scumhunter: assuming that one person HAS to be scum out of two people you pick.

 

It's true that Red and I have gone @ one another a lot, and we both have been wary of the other, but it could either be a big gambit on our parts (as in we're both scum trying to distance from one another) or it could be some good ol fashioned town on town violence.

 

Using simplistic reasoning that if one person is town, then the other person has to be scum cause they were calling the other one scum, is really never good for town. Basically I'm saying you've done a really poor job of justifying ANY of your reads this game, since pretty much any time you have this kind of reasoning has surfaced.

 bold - really, the situaiton isnt bad enough you have to WIFOM it  *eye roll*  thats such a townie move

 

 

 

What I find kind of annoying is when I say something like I'm certain, people think "ooh, a scumslip," but when more advanced players do it, people give them no extra thought. Yes, I've seen people do it in other games I've played or read. And I've seen them be town.

 

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha,

 

Oh Dawn, we can be good friends you and I.

 

This is called bias and people treating/tolerating things from people differently depending who they are. I really am waiting for the next alt game. Yes, mafia is very very strife with this problem IMO. It's my number 1 annoyance with this game. In the same vein why does my intro post look scummy but the identical two previous ones (which in fact may look even more scummy) were fine? I don't think it's fair to say because they posted 30 minutes before me. This is a part of the game, whether people like it or not. Need to accept this early on as it won't change anytime soon.

 

 the biased is a symptom of people relying on meta imo.   just another reason why meta is useless imo

 

/soapbox against meta

 

 

Despo realized he can't legit case me so all of a sudden I'm an info lynch.  Also gives him a neat way to live another day when I flip town.  Despo's cases have been nothing but rhetoric.  He is scum.

QFT

 

 

I hate this post.  The bold certainly applies to the second and third statements, but I don't believe there is any noticeable difference between a scumlynch or townlynch in likeliness to stall (except at LYLO, when scum is free to out themselves for the mislynch).  Using this game as an example, how long did it take to get Tom lynched?  And I wouldn't exactly call his behavior solid town play...

theres is a difference betwene a town lynch and a scum lynch.

 

town lynches go fast because scum jump on and nudge and support it to get the mis lynch. scum lynches stall because scum fight the lynch with distractions "but Y is scummier" and will only vote a team mate reluctantly.

 

barring a finders claim, its hard to gain steam on a scum lynch majority of the time.

 

 

Tommy's lynch in this case has a specific context aroudn it. so much AtE and nastiness aroudn it most peopel just wanted to avoid the situaiton. and his train grew at a decent rate and didnt stall out.

 

stalling out would be Despo's train

 

D1 it stalled on 3 votes (mine, Womby and Tommy)

 

D2 (today) its stalled at 2 main votes (Mine and Womby) with two waffle voters (Halia and Mynd)

 

 

 

 

Beyond that, you're saying that Despot is lock scum because he pushed Tommy, who flipped town.  So did Darthe, and Darthe was NK'ed D1 - and flipped town.  You know who ELSE pushed Tommy?  You're 100% clear lock town (Wombat).

you trying to get me to waffle on my lock clear on Womby because he pushed Tommys lynch is null seeing as you pointed out yourself Darth (a confrimed townie) also pushed Tommys lynch.

 

Despo's actions on Tommys lynch wasn't the push itself but how he pushed it. and thats not the only thing i've built my case on Despo over. he's scummy despite the tommy flip, he was scummy before the tommy flip and hes only gotten worse since then.

 

 

Next, he said Lenlo was lock town.  Okay, that was proven to be wrong.  Shame on Despot.  Still not inherently scummy, unless you think Despot ONLY would clear a teammate and would never be mistaken/trust somebody early in a game (in which case you would be wrong).

so you dont find it odd at all that he would lock!clear ANYONE after ONE post. and even more odd that said person flipped scum.

 

 

TL;DR - you have some really, really broken logic.  Pushes like that will continue to further my believe Despot is town.

and i think you've either got beer goggles on or your scum mates with despo.

[Red2111]

I'm going to use bold red font to reply in text to some of this.  Again, bold red is MY reply.

in your reply bow you'll see soemthign that looks like a light swithc int he top left corner above the bold button. click that and it allows you to chop up a quote to respond to the bits you want to while pasting the timestamp so people can still go back and view the entire quote.

 

please dont respond within quotes to me anyone since you now know this method, as i will not respond to you after this post.

 

 

Let's say that Wombat IS town. That means NOTHING whatsoever towards your alignment. He's already stated he's not the cop, and while he would clearly believe you to be town (hence gifting you), that believe does not prevent him from being wrong and I think it's scummy that you're omitting that possibility. There is literally no logical argument for "I am town, I think this person is town, therefore I must accept all of their reads".

no it doesn't mean anything on my alignment. i just find it wierd that not only did Dawn flip on me suddenly with no reason but that she's lock!clearing womby and not taking any consideration on his reads.

 

she thinks me or Despo is scum .... yet she shadowed despo on voting me (whose her lock!clears biggest scum read and is voting me who is her lock!clears biggest town read) you dont find that odd?

 

When has Despot EVER been reluctant to clear people as town? Do you know an entirely different Despot from me? I mean, I can go pull lists from previous games if you want but I guarantee your claim won't hold water.

unless your cop you dont know who is town, so as a townie you'd better be reluctant to lock!clear people as town. espeically on D1 (and with them only having one post *cough*len*cough* )

 

and Womby's laydown of Despo on this seems legit enough to me.

 

 

So you absolutely are 100% he's obivous lockscum and yet you find yourself agreeing with his points. It could be that he's scum and is intent on bringing the whole damn ship down with him, but why in the world would you ever say "This guy is scum and is pushing <whoever>, and he's making a GREAT case so we should definitely push <the candidate>"?

 

Going back to earlier, remember when we should ignore Despot's reads? Might as well ignore the fact he ever cased Dawn and his reasoning. Except we shouldn't, we should push her anyway. Fascinating.

its called distancing. you know where one scummate points out another scum mates scummy game and uses that to go at them to create distance between the two.

 

he's been doing it all game with Dawn imo. subtle on D1 and hardcore now on D2.

 

he linked her with Darthe (who flipped town) and is trying to link her with me now (who will flip town) and leading the push on her (the caoching angle from D1 and now the big push) so that when he flips scum shes clear, by association and by his push.

 

 

given i think he's distancing, no reason i shouldn't use his own case against his own team mate to get more scum. on the very slim off chance he flips town (i'm not finder and i was wrong about Darthe) then i know it was legit scum hunting and will pick up where he left off on all the cases.

 

at this point though, the only thing that will convince me he's town is a corner report.

[Nynaeve]

I think at this point you're abusing the spoiler tag, Red. lol

 

So the gist of your posts is that everything that's coming out of Wombat's mouth is QFT and everything everyone else says gets rebutted. Check. :P

[hazelkrs1]

Okay Red, I'm going to address this one last time, since you seem to be having so much difficulty grasping this particular scumtell

 

Being WRONG about something indicates lack of knowledge. If you KNOW what the outcome will be, you won't be wrong. Alternatively, if you're wrong about something, then you did not know what the actual result might be.

 

Mafia straight up can NOT be "wrong" about someone, not like a townie can. A townie enters the game with no advance knowledge of anyone else's alignment, so they make educated, or hopefully educated at least, guesses about who might be scum. They end up either being right, or wrong. A scummer enters the game with advance knowledge of who the mafia are and who the town are. When they say a townie is scum, they are NOT wrong. They are lying, misleading, obfuscating, whatever you want to call it. BUT THEY ARE NOT WRONG.

 

Ergo, calling someone you are saying is scum wrong, indicates that you don't actually think they're scum at all. At least, not if it's in reference to their stance on someone's alignment. You can say they're wrong about Green being the best color, or w/e other non-game related topic you want to interject there. But if you say they're wrong about someone's alignment, you can no longer act like you think they are scum. It's a complete contradiction.

 

Now, is this scumtell 100% reliable? No, but I haven't yet found a scumtell that is. It IS highly effective however, because it's an easy slip to make. I have seen townies get flustered and forget to make the important distinction when dealing with someone else to include the phrase "If you are town" when saying they're wrong, that happens. But if someone says someone is wrong, but throughout the interaction they continue acting like they have a scumread on the person, well then chances are you're dealing with scum there.

 

Really, really, REALLY hope this gets through to you somehow. I really don't think it's a difficult concept to grasp, so any further confusion on your part I will completely treat as a deliberate smokescreen on your part.

[hazelkrs1]

Hooray for redundant "on your part" fragments!

 

[nervositee]

 

 

Red having logic fail isn't really a scumtell.  Still think Despo is scum.  I feel like Dap should be replaced or modkilled.  His inactivity is seriously altering the game right now.

 

Going after inactive. Seems more like trying to steer focus away from yourself than actually reacting to Daps lack of involvment.

 

would prefer Dap to be replaced.

 

but baring a replacement, would prefer a Dap lynch to a Dap MK.

 

I think this has already been pointed out, but I thought you didn't like going after inactives? Seem to remember you saying that pretty loud and clear. What changed?

 

 

1.  How is that "going after" an inactive?  I said I wanted Dap replaced or modkilled, not lynched.  Later, I went on to say that Dap votes were a distraction.

 

2.  Yeah, that was me who pointed it out.  Way to say I'm scum while sheeping one of my points in the same post.

 

 

How much are you actually reading this game?  You seem a lot denser than usual atm.  Starting to think it's because you're not town.

 

 

1. If you said Dap votes were a distraction, then I missed it, sorry. Point still stands that it seemed like a desperate move to shift focus.

 

2. I know it was you who wrote it. You could either be right even though you are scum (trying to get some town-cred), or I'm holding the door open that I might be wrong.

 

I'm pretty confident I'm right, but I'm generally not a "OMG LOCK!SCUM I WILL NOT EVEN LISTEN!!!"-player.

 

Calling me "denser than usual" and questioning my alignment in a suggestive manner like that is just yawn. Are you and Red secretly a hydra? You are like 100% in sync this game, and that includes nudging everyone who is not your side.

 

 

I think at this point you're abusing the spoiler tag, Red. lol

 

So the gist of your posts is that everything that's coming out of Wombat's mouth is QFT and everything everyone else says gets rebutted. Check. :P

 

I wish I knew that before I read all those posts :(

[hazelkrs1]

There are a lot of people on late tonight

 

 

I'm tired and my tummy hurts

 

[Nynaeve]

Go to the bathroom. Maybe you have a shipment to... unload.

[hazelkrs1]

Two steps and a squat ahead of you

 

[Nynaeve]

I really did not need to know that.

[nervositee]

Poop-mafia is the new drunk-mafia. Woop woop.

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

[hazelkrs1]

Poop-mafia is the new drunk-mafia. Woop woop.

 

 

This would be the worst trend I started since... no, this would be the worst trend I started.

[nervositee]

 

 

before i catch up on Despos latest fabrications and mis-reps i just want to say something

 

 

i dislike how Pral, Vos, Nyn & Clov have parked their votes on Womby and just split.

 

Colv and Nyn i can sorta forgive, they both at least gave a case on Womby.  Pral and Vos though, they straight up parked and split.  if you lot are town you need to get your assests back in here and make an informed decisions and tell us why, with all this new info since Mynd revealed his findings last night, you are leaving your vote on Womby instead of switch to blatantly obv scum.

 

TGI needs to get off the fence, and Dap needs to just straight up show up.  his disappearing act has NOT gone un-noticed.

 

*sigh*

 

I get that you think Wombat is town. We all get it. You make it really really really clear you are certain he is town.

 

Your FoS'ing of everyone who don't agree with you and see things your way is getting tiresome. I didn't park my vote and vanish, I explained my vote, then went to sleep and then to work. Every time I catch up I feel better about my vote. His defense, and your defense of him doesn't float at all. It reeks of desperation. I don't feel anything has changed since I cast my vote and I have no intention of going back to explain it to you again because you are a)defending a stubborn idea, or more probable b)defending a teammate,

 

So, if you're gonna sell your ideas, then "Wombat is town, and everyone who doesn't agree with me is scum" just won't cut it. Sorry.

 

 

my FoS at you guys was a poke to get you guys to start posting more.

 

theres like 15 players alive, yet the same 5 people are the only ones being active

 

 

POST MOAR!!!

 

 

 

"I find you suspicious"

 

"No it was just a way to get you to post more, because I'm a goodie townie who wants everyone to be really active"

 

chi-ching.

 

Not gonna bitch about it (since I just bitched about people bitching about it), but wim twinkling away here.

 

Red, if you critize players for not posting and only the same players being active, is because me and probably alot of people have stated where we're at. After that it's just the same players beating each other with sticks. Red and Wombat is in 100% sync. Dap is AWOL. Red and Des are arguing semantics. Mynd claimed dream, is suspicious of everyone not questioning it, and probably abit knackered that we are looking at that pool anyway, so true or untrue doesn't really matter that much yet. We can revisit later.

 

If you wanna complain about inactivity, do so. Straight out. You seem like a straight-out person.

 

Don't hide it behind (according to you) fake FoS's.

 

Nothing has changed, so while we are stalling the Wombat train to see if Dap comes in and by some chance acts incredibly scummy, I'm gonna go make myself some coffee, light a cigarette and maybe take a power-nap.