[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[Myndrunner]

 

Going back to posting my quotes instead of interacting with CONFIRMED SCUM

 

If any townies wanna converse tho, I'll be here!

 

STOP PLAYING BAD AND LISTEN TO ME DAMMIT

 

 

[WWWwombat]

LOL @ you trying to placate me and appeal to my emotions WHILE STILL VOTING ME

 

 

If you really thought I was scum Tommy, you wouldn't be trying to reason with me like this. You'd be slinging poo at me for trying to paint you in a corner.

 

MOAR OBVIOUS PLEASE

 

 

D1 ambivalence is not a scumtell.  This just looks like confirmation bias.

[hazelkrs1]

Top 2 scum reads:

 

Des - Off his game. Again. But this time it's scummy. He's jumpy with his votes. Uncharacteristically so. He's building castles out of sand with his arguments and they keep crumbling. Trying too hard. People have made several solid arguments against him and I agree with them wholeheartedly. This isn't town Des. 

 

Mynd - Never played with Mynd but don't feel there's much sustenance to his posts. He's stirring the pot without adding much to it. There's a lot of "I'm here, look at this" but not much more. Have a scum vibe on him.

 

[v] Des [/v] This is much more of a scum game thus far from you.

 

This is the post that locked RTE in as scum for me. Just unbelievably lazy parroting and lolbad reasoning in this post. "trying too hard" "building castles out of sand" "people have made several solid arguments against him"............ WOWZORS.

 

It's like scum forgot how to not be extremely obvious

[WWWwombat]

Hey, remember that thing Cory just did where he refused to re-assess his reads and instead went all-in on a mistake?

 

Do you think it would be a great idea for me to do the same thing to you and not be willing to reason with you in case you are town?

 

Do you think you should be doing the exact same thing he did and refuse to acknowledge you are wrong about me?

 

Let me know.

 

 

Why can't you just be wolfy?  I hate you.

[hazelkrs1]

FYI- I would be SOOOOOOOOOOO ready to die today to prove that all my reads are legit and put town on the fast track to success for the rest of the game. Normally I wouldn't say that cause I don't have a lot of confidence in town after I die, but eh my game is gonna start soon and I'm on my 5 days off anyways

 

#Just sayin

[Tommyrod]

Wombat in actually find it wolfy of you to be so reasonable and agreeing with me here

 

That's the state of this game. Someone making sense and being reasonable is a scum tell.

 

XD

[WWWwombat]

 

Hey, remember that thing Cory just did where he refused to re-assess his reads and instead went all-in on a mistake?

 

Do you think it would be a great idea for me to do the same thing to you and not be willing to reason with you in case you are town?

 

Do you think you should be doing the exact same thing he did and refuse to acknowledge you are wrong about me?

 

Let me know.

 

For me to believe that what Cory did was a mistake (I mean not being willing to adjust his read on you, not suiciding, that was an obvious mistake), I'd have to think that you were town. I don't, so this just seems like more AtE to me.

 

And you're STILL trying to reason with me and tell me not to suspect you WHILE STILL VOTING ME

 

Do you seriously not get how scummy this is? You either think I'm scum, or not. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

I think this is your best idea of #DAMAGE CONTROL because I'm so right regarding you and Red. You want to make sure you win a thunderdome with me, while also trying to play down the thunderdome itself and make me think I'm wrong about you.

 

 

Nice splitting, bro.

[Tommyrod]

FYI- I would be SOOOOOOOOOOO ready to die today to prove that all my reads are legit and put town on the fast track to success for the rest of the game. Normally I wouldn't say that cause I don't have a lot of confidence in town after I die, but eh my game is gonna start soon and I'm on my 5 days off anyways

 

#Just sayin

I bet you are pretty wrong, dude. I feel somewhat confident Red is town and I am town and you are FOSing RTE just for thinking you are scum? He could be scum but that's really Level One. Play better. Also not an insult but rather a friendly suggestion if you actually wanna solve correctly.

 

You will turn around and tell me I am scum for trying to shame you out of your reads.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

You're obsessed with trying to convince me I'm wrong about you, while continuously leaving your vote parked on me.

 

 

This is liek the second time you've mentioned this?  Why are you getting so worried about him voting you?  Maybe we should put a couple more votes on you.

[hazelkrs1]

... well that's probably as close to a table flip as you can get in a forum-based mafia game.

 

I'm going to be perfectly honest and say that I've got nothing anymore.  My read on Cory was wrong, and I have nowhere else to go with it for right now, though Tommy coming in right after the suicide by mod and saying that we can ignore anything that Cory said is kind of interesting, especially with the massive finger that Cory was pointing at him.  (I'll leave it to you guys to decide which finger it was.)

 

I hate having to do Day 1 rereads.

 

 

 

FYI that's one of my alltime fav gif's EVARRRRRR. Even better cause I used to play MTG a bit (I kinda miss it )

 

Anyways, this post also looked like a very townie reaction to the whole affair to me

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

You're obsessed with trying to convince me I'm wrong about you, while continuously leaving your vote parked on me.

 

This is liek the second time you've mentioned this? Why are you getting so worried about him voting you? Maybe we should put a couple more votes on you.

I do not condone voting for Des right now but yes it's absolutely infantile reasoning and it confuses the hell out of me how he thinks that's a thing

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Des honestly you are annoying as hell right now.

 

No one can get a word in edgewise here with you. What the hell is the point of doing all this quoting and posting and blasting if you don't give anyone a chance to get a post in in-between? I've been reading the thread for a couple of hours but I have absolutely no motivation to post until your verbal explosive diarrhea ends. I can't wait to see the dumb post you make when I flip town too. Whether it is today or when we win the game. Anyways I'll post at some point. So sorry I made a lazy post in your esteemed opinion. Those don't make my reads any less my reads because I didn't support them with 55 quotes.

 

I never thought I'd swap you for Cory but this game I would in a heartbeat. Not to mention at least Cory was town. But this is ridiculous. Even for you. I'm tempted  to label you as town because scum Despo can't be this off the handle, but then again that reasoning would support us thinking "that's just Despo being Despo". But I don't think this is Town Despo. And if it is he needs to really take a breath or two or no one is really going to care enough to reply to any of his damn posts. Especially if I have to sift through the last 6 pages that I've already read once to find your post. Not. Worth. It.

 

At this point town or scum you're a hindrance to everyone's gameplay except your own. Relax and let people reply to your so-called cases and WOTs.

[hazelkrs1]

I kind of lasered in a bit tight on Cory.  He was reacting so strongly that I didn't even think to check out other leads.

 

Even after being challenged by someone after the above post, Quibby didn't hedge or anything, seemed to respond very genuinely

 

Quibby is LOCK CLEAR everyone

 

So that's

 

Mynd

Darthe

Lenlo

Quibby

 

ALL LOCK CLEAR

 

Tommy

Red

Scumbat

RTE

 

ALL LOCK SCUM

[WWWwombat]

 

 

 

Hey, remember that thing Cory just did where he refused to re-assess his reads and instead went all-in on a mistake?

 

Do you think it would be a great idea for me to do the same thing to you and not be willing to reason with you in case you are town?

 

Do you think you should be doing the exact same thing he did and refuse to acknowledge you are wrong about me?

 

Let me know.

For me to believe that what Cory did was a mistake (I mean not being willing to adjust his read on you, not suiciding, that was an obvious mistake), I'd have to think that you were town. I don't, so this just seems like more AtE to me.

 

And you're STILL trying to reason with me and tell me not to suspect you WHILE STILL VOTING ME

 

Do you seriously not get how scummy this is? You either think I'm scum, or not. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

I think this is your best idea of #DAMAGE CONTROL because I'm so right regarding you and Red. You want to make sure you win a thunderdome with me, while also trying to play down the thunderdome itself and make me think I'm wrong about you.

I'm calling you out both out of frustration for your stance on me and to help me figure out your alignment when, if you're scum, you have an amazing opportunity to push me for free due to what Cory did. Unlike you two I am willing to be open minded, particularly after that big "oops!" Will you do the same for me? I don't care if this sounds like AtE to you, I need you to cut me some slack because Cory put me in a massive hole out of egotistical spite.

 

 

You say you're willing to be open minded, yet you're leaving your vote parked on me even tho you're trying to reason with me like I'm a townie that can be reasoned with instead of a scum, who is scum.

 

I mean, do you not get WHY I'm not really taking you serious right now?

 

What part of "You're voting me while also trying to reason with me and say I'm wrong about you" do you not get, and why that's obviously scummy?

 

If I'm scum, I'm not "wrong" about you, I'm just well, voting you. If you're voting me, it's because you think I'm scum.

 

I don't know how much more simply I can put this

 

 

 

Hey, remember that thing Cory just did where he refused to re-assess his reads and instead went all-in on a mistake?

 

Do you think it would be a great idea for me to do the same thing to you and not be willing to reason with you in case you are town?

 

Do you think you should be doing the exact same thing he did and refuse to acknowledge you are wrong about me?

 

Let me know.

For me to believe that what Cory did was a mistake (I mean not being willing to adjust his read on you, not suiciding, that was an obvious mistake), I'd have to think that you were town. I don't, so this just seems like more AtE to me.

 

And you're STILL trying to reason with me and tell me not to suspect you WHILE STILL VOTING ME

 

Do you seriously not get how scummy this is? You either think I'm scum, or not. You're trying to have your cake and eat it too.

 

I think this is your best idea of #DAMAGE CONTROL because I'm so right regarding you and Red. You want to make sure you win a thunderdome with me, while also trying to play down the thunderdome itself and make me think I'm wrong about you.

I don't care how well it fits your puzzle if you have the wrong pieces.

 

I'm being 100% serious, 100% sincere. If you're town (which your passion here points at) then I need your help in this game. I'll need you to reason with me, come to understand I am not full of crap and this was all a huge disaster, and then I need you to defend me from the lazy Tommy detractors.

 

Yes, seriously. If you are town, I want you to defend me.

 

 

My passion points to me being town.... yet you leave your vote parked on me.

 

 

Also, @ you wanting me to come to your rescue @ the lazy Tommy detractors... while saying I'm one of them.

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

And for the record Tommy, I'm ALWAYS willing to readjust reads accordingly. I pride myself in not getting tunnelvision or letting myself become blinded to how more recent events color other things that have already happened.

 

It's just that nothing you've said so far has done anything to make me readjust my read on you

 

/shrug

Des, I like you, but you are NOT a fluid player most of the time. I could say almost anything and you would double down on your read of me. You're doing it right now talking about damage control. You're bulldogging me HARD right now which is why I'm trying to hammer back at you until you realize I'm serious.

 

 

FYI Tommy I'm gonna take my own advice and go back to disregarding everything you say from here on out. You wanna paint me as a bully or bulldog that won't move off a read? Fine. Just know if you continue to address me you'll get more luck out of talking to a brick wall. Nothing you've said at any point has seemed genuine today, it's all seemed like AtE mixed in with you trying to reason with me and still act like you have a scum "read" of me (hence your vote)

 

Another FYI: Moving your vote at this point will do nothing for me. Yes, you sealed in your scumminess for me. I seriously don't know what you were trying to do by voting me then try reasoning with me for the last half hour.

 

#GET BETTER SCUM STRATS

 

 

 

Mentions the vote a third time.  Then says that he won't listen to Tommy anymore and Tommy moving his vote will do nothing because Tommy has sealed his scumminess.  After having said a few posts earlier that he's always willing to adjust reads.  Some find me a .45.

[hazelkrs1]

I just cannot express to yall HOW AMUSING it is to see all the "RAARRRRRGHH!!!! DESPOT!!!!" posts right now by people I fingered as scum

 

[WWWwombat]

Des, you're being silly. My vote isn't going to get you lynched right now. I don't even know who else to vote for. Maybe you could try to help out instead of convincing yourself I'm scum? Just maybe?

 

What is your read on Des atm?

[Tommyrod]

Des honestly you are annoying as hell right now.

 

No one can get a word in edgewise here with you. What the hell is the point of doing all this quoting and posting and blasting if you don't give anyone a chance to get a post in in-between? I've been reading the thread for a couple of hours but I have absolutely no motivation to post until your verbal explosive diarrhea ends. I can't wait to see the dumb post you make when I flip town too. Whether it is today or when we win the game. Anyways I'll post at some point. So sorry I made a lazy post in your esteemed opinion. Those don't make my reads any less my reads because I didn't support them with 55 quotes.

 

I never thought I'd swap you for Cory but this game I would in a heartbeat. Not to mention at least Cory was town. But this is ridiculous. Even for you. I'm tempted to label you as town because scum Despo can't be this off the handle, but then again that reasoning would support us thinking "that's just Despo being Despo". But I don't think this is Town Despo. And if it is he needs to really take a breath or two or no one is really going to care enough to reply to any of his damn posts. Especially if I have to sift through the last 6 pages that I've already read once to find your post. Not. Worth. It.

 

At this point town or scum you're a hindrance to everyone's gameplay except your own. Relax and let people reply to your so-called cases and WOTs.

I have a town read on RTE for this post as I absolutely understand where he is coming from and it sounds genuine.

 

Des, play better. Stop convincing yourself you're right and instead try to update your reads with every post. Did even one of my posts feel sincerely annoyed? Yes? Then MAYBE I am town and you could consider it a little bit.

 

What rte said here is absolutely spot on.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

Des, you're being silly. My vote isn't going to get you lynched right now. I don't even know who else to vote for. Maybe you could try to help out instead of convincing yourself I'm scum? Just maybe?

What is your read on Des atm?

Sabotaging town but still town, and you don't vote for townies no matter how destructive they are.

[Tommyrod]

Tom's town leans:

 

Nyn

RTE

Des

Red

 

I'm removing Mynd.

 

It's easier to find townies than scum, so I'll be working off this list as all four of these players have given me the town feels.

[Red2111]

part two. srsly o.0 73 notifications

 

 

Just for anyone that wants to know, the part I (over)emphasized is A+++++ for how a townie would react to Cory's maneuver.

 

Mynd is LOCK CLEAR

okay so lets get this straight ... i move right past cory's emo stuff and dig in to try and get info to find scum with it and i'm scum. but Mynd suggests we do what i'd already begun and then holsters any action on it and hes lockclear o.0

 

perhaps that stuff in your curry was a bit stronger than you thought. go listen to some Jeff Beck *nods*

 

 

 

 

@ mynd ya srsly. Despo = lockscum & Tommy near lockscum for his stunt on Cory. Obv now Cory wasn't scum yet tom posted that bit of "kill myself so obv Cory = scum" why else would tom push so hard unless he was worried about Cory soul reading him. There's also his vote on cory which was convenient given how much pressure and the wagon on RTE at the time. And now RTE is MIA

 

 

Posted from my new droid. DM mobile does suck

This has me slightly worried Red is actually derp to the derp squared town and not scumbuddies with Tommy, for reasons that aren't extremely easy to put into words. She parrots the thing about Cory being able to soulread Tommy well, but it IS a good point, so while it could be distancing.... eh.

 

Then she also says RTE is MIA, when no one else had really mentioned him in a while (oh btw, after a moar recent post of RTE's, I have him as scum as well, or rather again, or w/e)

 

Red COULD be going for over the top distancing however, so meh going back to locking her in as scum

 

Oh and she'd be derp to the derp squared for thinking I'm lockscum when I'm ANYTHING BUT. So Red, if you're town after all, get your head on right and throw out everything you thought you knew about me being scum, cause it aint true, and it WILL likely get you lynched if you manage to convince town to lynch me

 

 

oh no no no no no no no Despo. you dont get to waffle on my alignment. i'm either scum or town, you aint gonna get the pleasure of trying to fence sit and do any sort of damage control for when i flip town.

 

 

Also, gut says I need to conf TG.

my gut says he needs to post ... like at all.

 

 

RTE is total scum and read looks way better than you're giving her credit for. Do you not remember how rusty she is and how she has behaved the past few games? Her and Mynd are still not quite used to the new DM style and so don't play to the logical overdrive that we do yet. Keep that in mind and see how it affects your read of her.

meh. i've played two games since commign back and feel liek i've shaken enough rust off to take off the training wheels. thanks for letting me knwo you care about me Darthikins

 

 

 

Does nobody here understand that Cory is not omniscient, and neither am I? I was quite convinced he was scum due to his behavior -- others even agreed with me on this. What changed between then and now that makes me lock scum for believing that? Why is nobody considering the obvious -- that both of us were just wrong? I am NOT scum and I am frankly getting annoyed at your results oriented play that allows scum to EASILY place me on the lynch list with NO RESISTANCE from the town because Cory made an unbelievably stupid play.

 

[v]Des[/v]

 

Des has two choices, which he picks will depend on his alignment and his stubbornness:

 

1. Retract his absurd "case" on me that says my reaction was fake. Guess what, tough guy? It can't be fake if I meant it.

 

2. Double down on his read and ensure he gets himself lynched after me because his myopia will be scummy instead of just lazy play.

 

You let me know which you're up for, I really am about out of patience.

 

I invited Mak to hydra with me so he could try playing with a new crowd and a different culture, one I had hoped was more mature. Instead, we're having emotional meltdowns and town-town suicide pacts based on NOTHING that escalated for NO REASON. I even told Cory I wouldn't have time to push him and his reaction was to turn around and call me lock scum and then purposefully bait me into killing myself? That's ridiculous, even if he was right. All he's done is detail D1 and I want to try and piece this game back together.

 

VOTING ME IS LAZY, pure and simple. I am not scum and I cannot believe how many people have come out of the woodwork yet nobody is saying "huh, I wonder if they were both just wrong." You're giving scum not one but TWO free town deaths in a game this small by continuing to FOS me over a MISUNDERSTANDING.

 

KNOCK IT OFF. PLAY BETTER.

 

And yes, I'm a little mad that nobody seems to understand these basic concepts when I brought my friend here to play BETTER GAMES with BETTER PLAYERS.

i still take issue with the timing of your vote on Cory, and how you came at Cory. but Despo going at you like this, and you other responses to despo make me lean less scum on you atm

 

 

 

You are generally correct in saying that (about Red being wrong A LOT- I used to hate her for it, then I grew to love her for it )

luv ya too bro. even though yer horribly wrong this game.

 

 

I want people to ignore the BAD FEELS Cory left, but I also know for a FACT that his OMGUS push on me is dead wrong so it WOULD actually be a benefit to town if you forgot it. I don't expect you to believe this immediately but I DO expect you to eventually understand that I am sincere and I am town and I am REALLY FRUSTRATED by this situation and I am not going to storm off from the thread but if we're being honest, I was tempted after that stunt.

 

It's not meant to be AtE, I am just rustled. And I want you to listen to me and not just blow me off as scum when I'm not.

 

Please.

^ this post right here feels 100% legit to it and is why i'm leaning less scum on tommy atm

 

btw tell yer other head not to be shy and come jump in the deep end ^_^

 

 

 

 

FYI, I got Red and Tommy locked in as scummy scumbuddies together, and everyone else should too, because I'm town yet again (I rand like such a boss) and my reads have just been amazing lately. Town gotta follow me while I'm still hot!

I was just re-reading Tommy's posts and I tend to agree about him. What bugs me the most is how he had Cory pegged as scum so early on, from just reading the first four pages, according to him. Tommy and Cory have played so much together that they can read each other well...but it's a process, from what I've seen in previous games. This is the first time I see one of them lockscum the other so quickly. It comes across like Tommy wanted Cory out of the game pronoto without weighing him properly and only going off on how he entered the game... that doesn't sound like townTommy to me.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Good point, and good post

 

If I'm right about Tommy, Nyn is purdy much LOCK CLEAR errone

 

wow, so you lockclear people because they agree with you *smh*

 

 

 

I think this is your best idea of #DAMAGE CONTROL because I'm so right regarding you and Red. You want to make sure you win a thunderdome with me, while also trying to play down the thunderdome itself and make me think I'm wrong about you.

if this right here is the sum of why you think Tommy is scum then your case is weaker than a straw house in a cat 5 hurricane.

 

and why does him having a vote on you make him scummy? are you scared of a little vote Despo? you act like people are just supposed to take your word that your town and be all sheeple with you.

 

sorry, i'm not in the habit of drinking any coolaid people try to sale.

[WWWwombat]

Wombat,

 

Are you town? Can I trust you? How do you like your eggs? What do you think of the argument between myself and Des?

 

I'm town.  You can trust me barring recruitment.  Over easy or sunny-side-up depending on the place and my mood.  I think you have been towntelling lately and it's frustrating because I don't wanna lose to your wolf game.  As for Despo, he's still pretty scummy imo, but a couple of the things he has said have come off as psychotic townie.

[WWWwombat]

Could use Darthe's help on a Des read atm.  MIght give me a better handle on both of them.

[Tommyrod]

IF YOU ARENT SURE ON YOUR SCUM READS, TRY TO CLEAR PLAYERS WHO FEEL LIKE TOWNIES AND REDUCE THE SUSPECTS FROM THERE.

 

It's far more reliable and I've been getting better at it lately.

[WWWwombat]

Appealing to me and convince me I might be wrong about you indicates you were acting towards me like you believed I was town, since well, why appeal to someone you think is scum? They're not "wrong" about someone, they're SCUM.

 

Note: This excludes all the other reasons why I think you're scum. I just think this is probably the one that locks you in as scum most completely.

 

And oh look! A Wombat appeared!

 

 

I've appealed to people I've leaned scum on before.  Sometimes the response helps my read.

[WWWwombat]

Womb, I agree, but sometimes it has to be used. Like when people throw out FROZEN!!! day 1. Nothing personal so don't freak out, but its true.

 

Other than that, I'm very much feeling "meh, here we go again" at the last pages. Was hoping we'd left the emoing with Cory.

 

Me2 but we need some non-emo players to set the tone.