[Advanced] Blackhoof's Cthulhu Mythos Mafia Game- Day 1

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/25/2014 at 10:07 PM, Red2111 said:

gonna suggest RTE be put on hold in favor for a Tommy & Despo competing train

 

 

all aboard?

 

I shy away from NO Thunderdome!!!

 

 

But this was an incredibly obvious attempt at distancing yourself from Tommy btw Red

 

Next time, RAND ON DESPOT'S TEAM

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:58 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:55 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/25/2014 at 9:42 PM, WWWwombat said:

Tommy did appear to be slightly howltrolling to me, but we should get lock wolf Despo right now imo.

 

 

He has a point.  As I said before I don't like your drive of Red (who doesn't look scummy to me like you're seeing) and if Tommy flips town it really won't bode well for you here.  You're staking a lot on your bravado atm, leaves those of us who are more inclined to relax early game squinty eyed.

 

 

Meh, I'm getting out my reads. Up to the rest of yall to decide what you want to do with em

 

/shrug

 

And I do strongly believe in Red/Tommy being scum together. And my reads really have been insane good lately. In general, my luck is just spitting hot fire recently, I give my wife and the little bun in her oven ALL the credit.

 

So again, RIDE DESPOT WHILE HE'S HOT!!!!!!

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/25/2014 at 10:08 PM, WWWwombat said:

Scum Tommy doesn't really care about pressure.  It's part of why he's so good at it.

 

#DAT SCUMMY DEFENSE

 

Red/Tommy/Wombat scum team. Sad that Cory prob had some killer reads before he did what he did

 

[Nynaeve]

  On 6/26/2014 at 5:45 PM, Tsukibana said:

I can't argue with this... I said that Cory killed my enthusiasm, on top of what happened in the other game, my WIM has plummeted. Go check my posts in that one :/

I'm letting two games down. But, family is gone, and I will try to get some enthusiasm going for both games.

 

 

Most of your content was before Cory got himself MK. As for what happened in another game.... suck it up :P

 

 

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 5:52 PM, nervositee said:

We should all get drunk.

 

Then try to win this game, instead of sulking about one player, ya?

 

(not directed at Nyn, just everyone who is sulking)

 

 

I'm more of a pouter.

 

 

 

Nyn

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/25/2014 at 10:12 PM, WWWwombat said:

FYI, tone of the big reasons I started in on Cory was something Red already mentioned.  The Spurs lovefest felt excessive and forced to me.  Looked like a possible attempt to keep the game from starting with spam and didn't feel like town/town.  I figured that since Despo is the Spurs fan and Cory is more into #Alliance type stuff that Cory was the more likely scum buddier there, so I went after him.  Since then though, Despo has been dropping scumtells that he knows I use, which leads me to believe he is WIFOMing his alignment, which is not something he has felt the need to do as town lately imo.

 

Cory wasn't ever posting any Spurs love. He's a Heat fan, I'M the Spurs fan. We were exchanging pleasantries like we always would at the start of the game

 

/shrug

 

After that, I first was trying to keep the game civil and fun since I was wary of Cory sending the game into an emotional tailspin like happened last game, so I was trying to be funny. Then... I realized someone freaking slipped something into my curry, and went and chilled for a while

 

I never tried dropping scumtells, and never tried wifoming my alignment.

[Darthe]

If anyone isn't picking up what I'm laying down here it is:

 

10:Wombat

1:nervositee

15:Player

3:dawnflower

17:Despothera

6:Quibby
7:myndrunner

14:Nyn

12:Red

9:TGlems

8:Pralaya
11:lenlo
13:Zer0

2:Tsukibana

4:Tommy/Makeroni

18:ReleaseTheEvil

 

See those last three?  They aren't red, they're dark red.  Big difference.  Zero to TG?  No clue where they are this game.  That lime green part?  Those people are chill.  Mark one of them as deep scum if I am wrong about my reds and specifically Des falls to Where Tsuki is if Tommy flips town and Womby falls down that far if Des flips town.  Also, Mynd and Quibby could easily shoot to dark green but I think Des will have a harder time getting there because of how boisterous he is.  Creates natural distrust.  Speaking of that dark green section... Consider those people locked in save for Womby who could, as I said, be potentially harmed by both a tommy and des town flip.  Don't think that will happen though.  As for the other three?  I read their souls and found them pure.  WTL from TG down after tomorrow, Prefer to lynch from Tsuki down.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/25/2014 at 10:14 PM, WWWwombat said:

Also, Despo's WiM remarkably increased imo once the Cory push started.  I think he saw it as a way to clear himself by defending Cory and got overly excited.  He doesn't really stay that consistent on anything besides Cory.  First he was on RTE, then he was on Dawn after he'd already admitted that she's often an easy lynch and using that to cast suspicion on people.

 

Already explained why my activity surged there for a bit, and as for the other thing-

 

You're seriously trying to fos me for hopping around a lot and spreading pressure around? Seriously?

 

 

Moving my vote around and spreading pressure early D1 is prob my biggest towntell

 

EXPOSE YOURSELF MOAR WOMBAT

 

[Darthe]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:03 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:58 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:55 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/25/2014 at 9:42 PM, WWWwombat said:

Tommy did appear to be slightly howltrolling to me, but we should get lock wolf Despo right now imo.

 

 

He has a point.  As I said before I don't like your drive of Red (who doesn't look scummy to me like you're seeing) and if Tommy flips town it really won't bode well for you here.  You're staking a lot on your bravado atm, leaves those of us who are more inclined to relax early game squinty eyed.

 

 

Meh, I'm getting out my reads. Up to the rest of yall to decide what you want to do with em

 

/shrug

 

And I do strongly believe in Red/Tommy being scum together. And my reads really have been insane good lately. In general, my luck is just spitting hot fire recently, I give my wife and the little bun in her oven ALL the credit.

 

So again, RIDE DESPOT WHILE HE'S HOT!!!!!!

 

 

Man it will break my heart if I start to slip in my read of you.  Posts like this look excellent.  How can I get over my natural fears of #Destroyah blindsiding me?  

 

@Bold, your wife beat us to it.  In a decade you'll look like Louis CK

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 1:18 AM, Myndrunner said:

 

  On 6/25/2014 at 9:58 PM, Tommyrod said:

You're a dingus.

 

  On 6/25/2014 at 10:07 PM, Red2111 said:

gonna suggest RTE be put on hold in favor for a Tommy & Despo competing train

 

 

all aboard?

Srsly?

 

  On 6/25/2014 at 10:08 PM, WWWwombat said:

Scum Tommy doesn't really care about pressure.  It's part of why he's so good at it.

He pushed Cory pretty hard.  Granted, I don't agree with Cory's bailing out, pretty unfair to everyone especially Hally, but now we have to make lemonade with what is left.  Cory/Hally flipped town.  Tommy was 100% convinced he was scum.  Tried to pass the blame on me for it.  Now, he has slipped into "hey look at me, I'm townie" mode.  Not looking so good.

 

 

Just for anyone that wants to know, the part I (over)emphasized is A+++++ for how a townie would react to Cory's maneuver.

 

Mynd is LOCK CLEAR

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:10 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:03 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:58 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:55 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/25/2014 at 9:42 PM, WWWwombat said:

Tommy did appear to be slightly howltrolling to me, but we should get lock wolf Despo right now imo.

 

 

He has a point.  As I said before I don't like your drive of Red (who doesn't look scummy to me like you're seeing) and if Tommy flips town it really won't bode well for you here.  You're staking a lot on your bravado atm, leaves those of us who are more inclined to relax early game squinty eyed.

 

 

Meh, I'm getting out my reads. Up to the rest of yall to decide what you want to do with em

 

/shrug

 

And I do strongly believe in Red/Tommy being scum together. And my reads really have been insane good lately. In general, my luck is just spitting hot fire recently, I give my wife and the little bun in her oven ALL the credit.

 

So again, RIDE DESPOT WHILE HE'S HOT!!!!!!

 

 

Man it will break my heart if I start to slip in my read of you.  Posts like this look excellent.  How can I get over my natural fears of #Destroyah blindsiding me?  

 

@Bold, your wife beat us to it.  In a decade you'll look like Louis CK

 

 

Bahahaha!!!!!

 

If I died my hair red (and curled it and lost a bunch as well) I could pull off a passable fascimile RIGHT NAO

 

 

For some reason tho, she still finds me sexy, so I'll keep shaking this tub of lard for her till she doesn't!

 

(I aint really that fat, but I've def gained a good bit of weight since we got married- when I tell people we're expecting a baby, they look at me like scientists figured out how to make Ahnold having a baby in Junior become a reality)

[Darthe]

Dammit I really do need to read the 4-5 pages I missed.  What you just quoted does lock Mynd and I also don't think you'd point it out as scum.  Move Mynd up to dark green and you right below him.  

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 4:23 AM, Red2111 said:

@ mynd ya srsly. Despo = lockscum & Tommy near lockscum for his stunt on Cory. Obv now Cory wasn't scum yet tom posted that bit of "kill myself so obv Cory = scum" why else would tom push so hard unless he was worried about Cory soul reading him. There's also his vote on cory which was convenient given how much pressure and the wagon on RTE at the time. And now RTE is MIA

 

 

Posted from my new droid. DM mobile does suck

 

This has me slightly worried Red is actually derp to the derp squared town and not scumbuddies with Tommy, for reasons that aren't extremely easy to put into words. She parrots the thing about Cory being able to soulread Tommy well, but it IS a good point, so while it could be distancing.... eh.

 

Then she also says RTE is MIA, when no one else had really mentioned him in a while (oh btw, after a moar recent post of RTE's, I have him as scum as well, or rather again, or w/e)

 

Red COULD be going for over the top distancing however, so meh going back to locking her in as scum

 

Oh and she'd be derp to the derp squared for thinking I'm lockscum when I'm ANYTHING BUT. So Red, if you're town after all, get your head on right and throw out everything you thought you knew about me being scum, cause it aint true, and it WILL likely get you lynched if you manage to convince town to lynch me

[Darthe]

Also, gut says I need to conf TG.  I have absolutely no reason for this but I inherently want to think of him as town.  That's either bias on my part or subconscious recognition of an early read I had but don't recall.  I figure it's worth mentioning.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:17 PM, Darthe said:

Dammit I really do need to read the 4-5 pages I missed.  What you just quoted does lock Mynd and I also don't think you'd point it out as scum.  Move Mynd up to dark green and you right below him.  

 

Not to be mean, but erm.... I think a number of your reads might need to be looked at again

 

 

You ARE definitely engaged however, and I'm almost positive you're town, so I have complete faith that you'll arrive at the right conclusions eventually (that's not saying I'm guaranteeing all the conclusions I came to are correct btw)

[Darthe]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:18 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 4:23 AM, Red2111 said:

@ mynd ya srsly. Despo = lockscum & Tommy near lockscum for his stunt on Cory. Obv now Cory wasn't scum yet tom posted that bit of "kill myself so obv Cory = scum" why else would tom push so hard unless he was worried about Cory soul reading him. There's also his vote on cory which was convenient given how much pressure and the wagon on RTE at the time. And now RTE is MIA

 

 

Posted from my new droid. DM mobile does suck

 

This has me slightly worried Red is actually derp to the derp squared town and not scumbuddies with Tommy, for reasons that aren't extremely easy to put into words. She parrots the thing about Cory being able to soulread Tommy well, but it IS a good point, so while it could be distancing.... eh.

 

Then she also says RTE is MIA, when no one else had really mentioned him in a while (oh btw, after a moar recent post of RTE's, I have him as scum as well, or rather again, or w/e)

 

Red COULD be going for over the top distancing however, so meh going back to locking her in as scum

 

Oh and she'd be derp to the derp squared for thinking I'm lockscum when I'm ANYTHING BUT. So Red, if you're town after all, get your head on right and throw out everything you thought you knew about me being scum, cause it aint true, and it WILL likely get you lynched if you manage to convince town to lynch me

 

 

RTE is total scum and read looks way better than you're giving her credit for.  Do you not remember how rusty she is and how she has behaved the past few games?  Her and Mynd are still not quite used to the new DM style and so don't play to the logical overdrive that we do yet.  Keep that in mind and see how it affects your read of her.  

[Darthe]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:20 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:17 PM, Darthe said:

Dammit I really do need to read the 4-5 pages I missed.  What you just quoted does lock Mynd and I also don't think you'd point it out as scum.  Move Mynd up to dark green and you right below him.  

 

Not to be mean, but erm.... I think a number of your reads might need to be looked at again

 

 

You ARE definitely engaged however, and I'm almost positive you're town, so I have complete faith that you'll arrive at the right conclusions eventually (that's not saying I'm guaranteeing all the conclusions I came to are correct btw)

 

Post a list like I did and then we can discuss points of why we think each is as it is.  If we are town together and work like that then this game is about to get #rekt

[hazelkrs1]

Just to refresh mainly for myself: Darthe, Lenlo (no reason to repeal that LOCK CLEAR as he had nothing to do with everything else that went down), and Mynd are all LOCK CLEAR

[Tommyrod]

Does nobody here understand that Cory is not omniscient, and neither am I? I was quite convinced he was scum due to his behavior -- others even agreed with me on this. What changed between then and now that makes me lock scum for believing that? Why is nobody considering the obvious -- that both of us were just wrong? I am NOT scum and I am frankly getting annoyed at your results oriented play that allows scum to EASILY place me on the lynch list with NO RESISTANCE from the town because Cory made an unbelievably stupid play.

 

[v]Des[/v]

 

Des has two choices, which he picks will depend on his alignment and his stubbornness:

 

1. Retract his absurd "case" on me that says my reaction was fake. Guess what, tough guy? It can't be fake if I meant it.

 

2. Double down on his read and ensure he gets himself lynched after me because his myopia will be scummy instead of just lazy play.

 

You let me know which you're up for, I really am about out of patience.

 

I invited Mak to hydra with me so he could try playing with a new crowd and a different culture, one I had hoped was more mature. Instead, we're having emotional meltdowns and town-town suicide pacts based on NOTHING that escalated for NO REASON. I even told Cory I wouldn't have time to push him and his reaction was to turn around and call me lock scum and then purposefully bait me into killing myself? That's ridiculous, even if he was right. All he's done is detail D1 and I want to try and piece this game back together.

 

VOTING ME IS LAZY, pure and simple. I am not scum and I cannot believe how many people have come out of the woodwork yet nobody is saying "huh, I wonder if they were both just wrong." You're giving scum not one but TWO free town deaths in a game this small by continuing to FOS me over a MISUNDERSTANDING.

 

KNOCK IT OFF. PLAY BETTER.

 

And yes, I'm a little mad that nobody seems to understand these basic concepts when I brought my friend here to play BETTER GAMES with BETTER PLAYERS.

[Tommyrod]

And if Des's immediate reaction is to call me lock scum for calling him out I will laugh and then cry and hold a grudge against him for a day or two for being so predictable.

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:20 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:18 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 4:23 AM, Red2111 said:

@ mynd ya srsly. Despo = lockscum & Tommy near lockscum for his stunt on Cory. Obv now Cory wasn't scum yet tom posted that bit of "kill myself so obv Cory = scum" why else would tom push so hard unless he was worried about Cory soul reading him. There's also his vote on cory which was convenient given how much pressure and the wagon on RTE at the time. And now RTE is MIA

 

 

Posted from my new droid. DM mobile does suck

 

This has me slightly worried Red is actually derp to the derp squared town and not scumbuddies with Tommy, for reasons that aren't extremely easy to put into words. She parrots the thing about Cory being able to soulread Tommy well, but it IS a good point, so while it could be distancing.... eh.

 

Then she also says RTE is MIA, when no one else had really mentioned him in a while (oh btw, after a moar recent post of RTE's, I have him as scum as well, or rather again, or w/e)

 

Red COULD be going for over the top distancing however, so meh going back to locking her in as scum

 

Oh and she'd be derp to the derp squared for thinking I'm lockscum when I'm ANYTHING BUT. So Red, if you're town after all, get your head on right and throw out everything you thought you knew about me being scum, cause it aint true, and it WILL likely get you lynched if you manage to convince town to lynch me

 

 

RTE is total scum and read looks way better than you're giving her credit for.  Do you not remember how rusty she is and how she has behaved the past few games?  Her and Mynd are still not quite used to the new DM style and so don't play to the logical overdrive that we do yet.  Keep that in mind and see how it affects your read of her.  

 

 

This is a good point and one I had already kinda had in the back of my head. I think DM has changed A LOT since when those two used to play a lot more.

 

Main thing is tho how Red is handling her "scumread" of Tommy. Sets him up for a thunderdome with me (saying we should be competing trains), but then agrees with him immediately after...

 

To me that looked fairly obvious like her trying to distance from Tommy. But eh, I could be wrong. It is technically possible

 

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:21 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:20 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:17 PM, Darthe said:

Dammit I really do need to read the 4-5 pages I missed.  What you just quoted does lock Mynd and I also don't think you'd point it out as scum.  Move Mynd up to dark green and you right below him.  

 

Not to be mean, but erm.... I think a number of your reads might need to be looked at again

 

 

You ARE definitely engaged however, and I'm almost positive you're town, so I have complete faith that you'll arrive at the right conclusions eventually (that's not saying I'm guaranteeing all the conclusions I came to are correct btw)

 

Post a list like I did and then we can discuss points of why we think each is as it is.  If we are town together and work like that then this game is about to get #rekt

 

 

Lemme finish posting all the older quotes I saved then I'll get a list up- I might have to quit responding in real time for a bit however so I can catch up in my other game before Niki gets home (at which point I prob will not be mafiaing any more hehe)

[Tommyrod]

Des explosion in 3... 2... 1...

[Nynaeve]

  On 6/26/2014 at 7:47 PM, Despothera said:

FYI, I got Red and Tommy locked in as scummy scumbuddies together, and everyone else should too, because I'm town yet again (I rand like such a boss) and my reads have just been amazing lately. Town gotta follow me while I'm still hot!

 

I was just re-reading Tommy's posts and I tend to agree about him. What bugs me the most is how he had Cory pegged as scum so early on, from just reading the first four pages, according to him. Tommy and Cory have played so much together that they can read each other well...but it's a process, from what I've seen in previous games. This is the first time I see one of them lockscum the other so quickly. It comes across like Tommy wanted Cory out of the game pronoto without weighing him properly and only going off on how he entered the game... that doesn't sound like townTommy to me.

 

 

 

Nyn

[hazelkrs1]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:22 PM, Tommyrod said:

Does nobody here understand that Cory is not omniscient, and neither am I? I was quite convinced he was scum due to his behavior -- others even agreed with me on this. What changed between then and now that makes me lock scum for believing that? Why is nobody considering the obvious -- that both of us were just wrong? I am NOT scum and I am frankly getting annoyed at your results oriented play that allows scum to EASILY place me on the lynch list with NO RESISTANCE from the town because Cory made an unbelievably stupid play.

 

[v]Des[/v]

 

Des has two choices, which he picks will depend on his alignment and his stubbornness:

 

1. Retract his absurd "case" on me that says my reaction was fake. Guess what, tough guy? It can't be fake if I meant it.

 

2. Double down on his read and ensure he gets himself lynched after me because his myopia will be scummy instead of just lazy play.

 

You let me know which you're up for, I really am about out of patience.

 

I invited Mak to hydra with me so he could try playing with a new crowd and a different culture, one I had hoped was more mature. Instead, we're having emotional meltdowns and town-town suicide pacts based on NOTHING that escalated for NO REASON. I even told Cory I wouldn't have time to push him and his reaction was to turn around and call me lock scum and then purposefully bait me into killing myself? That's ridiculous, even if he was right. All he's done is detail D1 and I want to try and piece this game back together.

 

VOTING ME IS LAZY, pure and simple. I am not scum and I cannot believe how many people have come out of the woodwork yet nobody is saying "huh, I wonder if they were both just wrong." You're giving scum not one but TWO free town deaths in a game this small by continuing to FOS me over a MISUNDERSTANDING.

 

KNOCK IT OFF. PLAY BETTER.

 

And yes, I'm a little mad that nobody seems to understand these basic concepts when I brought my friend here to play BETTER GAMES with BETTER PLAYERS.

 

Disregarding ALL the AtE in this post (seriously, bringing up that you brought Mak in but that we aren't being mature enough for you is just revolting, and beneath you- shudder)

 

It's very simple Tommy.

 

We KNOW Cory was town. He did something stupid to end up proving that, but w/e, what's done is done. To ignore the info his death gives us would be stupid.

 

Since we know he was town, it becomes immediately apparent that scum were likely trying to bandwagon onto him since he looked vulnerable. Your push on him fits this exactly.

 

MOREOVER, your reaction to his maneuver DID look forced. Was it upsetting what he did? Obviously. But we're all big boys here, we can get over it and go back to playing mafia. You were telling everyone to ignore everything Cory said..... which looks incredibly scummy since a large part of what Cory was saying before he died PUTS YOU IN A BAD LIGHT.

 

Lastly I have you as scum cause Red setting me and you up as competing trains looked like an obvious attempt at distancing to me.

 

If you're town, stop going in the same direction Cory was going for a bit and acting like you're above suspicion. Start getting out better reads. I'm not scum, and I'm pretty sure you know that.

[Tommyrod]

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:24 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:20 PM, Darthe said:

 

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 8:18 PM, Despothera said:

 

 

  On 6/26/2014 at 4:23 AM, Red2111 said:

 

@ mynd ya srsly. Despo = lockscum & Tommy near lockscum for his stunt on Cory. Obv now Cory wasn't scum yet tom posted that bit of "kill myself so obv Cory = scum" why else would tom push so hard unless he was worried about Cory soul reading him. There's also his vote on cory which was convenient given how much pressure and the wagon on RTE at the time. And now RTE is MIA

 

 

Posted from my new droid. DM mobile does suck

This has me slightly worried Red is actually derp to the derp squared town and not scumbuddies with Tommy, for reasons that aren't extremely easy to put into words. She parrots the thing about Cory being able to soulread Tommy well, but it IS a good point, so while it could be distancing.... eh.

 

Then she also says RTE is MIA, when no one else had really mentioned him in a while (oh btw, after a moar recent post of RTE's, I have him as scum as well, or rather again, or w/e)

 

Red COULD be going for over the top distancing however, so meh going back to locking her in as scum

 

Oh and she'd be derp to the derp squared for thinking I'm lockscum when I'm ANYTHING BUT. So Red, if you're town after all, get your head on right and throw out everything you thought you knew about me being scum, cause it aint true, and it WILL likely get you lynched if you manage to convince town to lynch me

RTE is total scum and read looks way better than you're giving her credit for. Do you not remember how rusty she is and how she has behaved the past few games? Her and Mynd are still not quite used to the new DM style and so don't play to the logical overdrive that we do yet. Keep that in mind and see how it affects your read of her.

This is a good point and one I had already kinda had in the back of my head. I think DM has changed A LOT since when those two used to play a lot more.

 

Main thing is tho how Red is handling her "scumread" of Tommy. Sets him up for a thunderdome with me (saying we should be competing trains), but then agrees with him immediately after...

 

To me that looked fairly obvious like her trying to distance from Tommy. But eh, I could be wrong. It is technically possible

 

At the risk of sounding like I am DISTANCING, making no sense appears to be a staple of Red'd town game and I wouldn't vote her today purely because she appears to have conviction even if she is horribly wrong 96% of the time. A townie is a townie, and you don't lynch townies.

 

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