[Standard] - Hitchhiker's Game to the Galaxy - Game Over

[Andrej]

 

I love how today is gonna revolve around if Dice is mafia or just did a really stupid move. I'm not that confident about the PR-tactics, nor Dices meta to claim if he would ever make such a move. 

 

It seems odd though. Very odd. 

 

Also, is it just me, or is Cory being uncharacteristically open to giving him the benefit of the doubt? 

 

Also RTE reads like he is actively trying to clear Dice. Stinks. 

 

I just want to avoid lynching a town watcher, if we have one. I see value of town watcher & tracker (& have seen combination before). 

 

Otherwise throw him wolves. Like Cory said we have till Thursday, information = power, no rush. 

 

I'd like to hear more from you on this. From what I get you're saying you don't want to lynch a potential town PR (I can agree) but under what circumstance would you deem it appropriate to 'throw him to the wolves'?

 

 

 

I'm saying going into the phase I would suspect Dice was lying. That's not that result I would expect from tracking the claimed watcher.

 

After that it was confirmed.

 

About being a Watcher? The only other role I can think of that self-targets (and are trackable) are Doctors

 

To be fair, I made that particular post before I read the role list more thoroughly. I play in a forum where framers/rolestoppers/etc. are very common and it would have been my kneejerk reaction to seeing Dice target himself going into the phase if I were Des

 

Roger.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/?p=3258593

 

AJ, there's also the possibility mafia have a JOAT.

 

Right, I wouldn't argue otherwise - I think Clarthe was actually a Mafia JOAT in the Mass Effect game. I was just kind of doing a cursory glance over the role list that our Mods provided and commenting on what I would see as fitting with a Watcher/Tracker town combo with the absence of a Ninja.

 

And if I'm right about Dice/Hallia then Leelou would be spewed villager

 

Agree on Leelou.

 

cops dont say they are town cop either.

 

I made a choice to try and gather as much info as I can. More info is always good for town.

 

Anyone I watched could have been visited by someone. if that person doesn't die then the person who visited that someone could be a town PR.

I come on thread and say i watched so and so.   nothing else.   Most likely someones gonna want to know if anyone visited. 

 

Then id out them. I cant really win there.

 

 

 

RE des calling me derp. Ive thought about this and am a bit annoyed. You do realize it possibly wasn't the smartest move for you to call me out like you did? If i was the tracker and knew that the watcher had self watched I would have shut up. I can see the argument for doing what you did but doing what you did made it impossible for me NOT to out you. As above if i just said i watched myself, someone, probably leelou or thane for eg, would want the result.

 

Both bolds are true basically. Dice seems to be responding pretty well imo - I think I might want to table him for later in the event he actually IS town. Eventually we'll be able to verify his views and now that we have two other claimed town PRs he has subjects to watch = caught scum when they NK since there isn't a Ninja according to the OP.

 

Wait, YOLO tunneling is generally super bad, do you support AJ's tunneling on me then? 

 

Hallia - don't downplay my focus on you as tunneling. I think I have been overall pretty observant and have commented on several players as the game progresses. If you think my focus on you in unfounded, perhaps YOU should become more involved. I'm basically just asking you to play the game - I don't see a lot of original thought coming from your end and I think your voting pattern has been sketchy at best. I also think you have been responding to me badly. Instead of presenting your thoughts when I named you as a scum read you defend yourself through meta which could be a way to WIFOM me into doubting my read on you after our last game together when we were town/town. FishDyx hit on this before he died.

 

 

Wait, YOLO tunneling is generally super bad, do you support AJ's tunneling on me then? 

 

as far as i can remember AJ spent 80% of Day 1 arguing with Nyn and I slapped him on the wrist and told him to stop doing that several times

 

I would probably say it was like... 65% of what I did

 

My wrist still hurts, btw. And ftr, I would probably still be pushing Nyn at this point. I really didn't feel her tactic of using unverifiable information to cast doubt on players came from a good place.

 

Pral, Lazy, Tina.

 

And you?

 

Sweet list. I could simply name 3 people too - most of which at this point are sort of universal scum reads.

 

WHY would you shoot these 3? Let us into your thought process. What is it you see about these 3 that make them worthy of being vigged?

[Andrej]

Gonna be ISO'ing Hallia just to reinforce my tunneling of her.

[Andrej]

Part 1/2

 

 

 

 

Nyn <3

You can't hide from my love!

I can't wait til lunch break, I have the best picture, it'll make Verb laugh

 

 

 

 

 

I was assaulted by an Ewok at Disneyland!

 

Early game fluff - not much to see here.

 

ZE OMGSUS, IT BEGINS

 

 

But it's null b/c it's Des and Leelou.

 

 

; . ; WHY DO MOMMY AND DADDY GOTTA FIGHT

 

Sort of a jokey response to what was happening ITT at the time. Calls both Leelou and Despot null for their votes on each other.

 

 

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

 

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P

So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

 

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing?  Besides, I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

 

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually managed to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

 

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town!  (And pretty town too )

 

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

 

Looks like I'm mafia again 

 

You can be town for now.  Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

 

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement.  There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work?  It works both ways.

 

Vote Mish

 

This is the post that bothered me most about Hallia D1. Gives town reads on Nyn (vetted) and Cory before voting Mish. She STILL hasn't addressed this post, which I have brought up several times now.

 

LOL. I was having a brain lapse, I completely forgot that game.

You read to me as townie til you cc'd me

Crafty lady

 

Response to Nyn when she corrects Hallia about playing together when Nyn was scum. Nothing really of note, just sort of compliments Nyn for her performance that game (Arkham Villains, in case anyone is wondering)

 

I disagree with Myn here, I don't know how much can really be said D1, but so long as someone isn't blatantly misconstruing another persons words, I think the more the better - it gives us more to go on

 

nyn* stupid autocorrect

 

These were back-to-back. I went searching for what Nyn was talking about how Hallia quoted a post that came after her original one to back her justification but I couldn't find it. I'll continue looking later, I really want to see what Nyn was talking about.

 

To match his ego? Zing! XD

 

Borderline snipe post on RTE presented as a joke when Leelou made a comment about his posting style as a way to fluff his post count.

 

That makes more sense to me, but even posts of people doing that are valuable, especially post-flips

(Lynch Verb! Lookit him doing that! )

 

This was also in response to Nyn. Makes a joke towards Verb about his commentary towards Nyn's "I'll call people out for standing behind other people and nodding their head" thing

 

Dice always confuses me, I have a difficult time reading him

 

Makes a noncommittal read on Dice. This was after he had starting gaining some votes after FishDyx cased him.

 

 

 

Again, I think I have posted a fair amount and pointed out several original things as they came to me.

 

To say simply that I haven't said much is bullshit, frankly. If you aren't able to find the conclusions in my posts then I will work on making myself more clear, but you could also ask for a further explanation for the things you don't understand/follow.

 

 

I'm sorry, am I supposed to imagine your conclusions? If you post observation without spelling out what they mean to YOU, then don't act surprised when people point out that you're talking for the sake of talking.

 

I disagree with Nyn here, I don't know how much can really be said D1, but so long as someone isn't blatantly misconstruing another persons words, I think the more the better - it gives us more to go on

 

I'm not sure why you said this. I never said that I expected people to stop posting. I want people to post and scumhunt. But if someone is just posting fillers or standing behind other people's back and nodding, then you better believe I'm gonna point it out.

 

 

 

Nyn

^

This is what that was in response to.  

 

It seemed to me that Nyn was scolding AJ for posting a lot, but it wasn't so much the quantity, but the quality she was criticizing.  

 

Not really sure what the point of this was. I know Nyn called me out for what she thought was fake scum hunting posts - Hallia seems to be arguing that more posts = a good thing when Nyn was talking about how she expects people to actually contribute. Sort of ironic given Hallia's contribution thus far.

 

 

 

 

 

Nyn you've earned my due diligence (because ) and I read over Day of Arkham (the last game you were Mafia according to your list) and you were basically invisible that game

With that said, things are probably a little different for you with players like me in the game who try to drag out invisible players kicking and screaming :P
So, in your opinion, how do you think you would approach the game as Mafia with the sort of player's list we have now?

What makes you think I alter my style because of who's playing? Besides, I don't remember who were the players back in the Arkham game, but I'm sure they were equally competent to the ones in this game.

Generally speaking, In the times I rolled scum I tried to play as I do as town (not sure if I actually managed to, but that's what I was going for). I'm generally rather nervous and try to hide it.

I like rolling town better. I'm more comfortable in my own skin, so to speak.



Nyn

I don't know that I've ever seen you as scum, but this game you read as pretty town! (And pretty town too )

Uh oh, Pral/Hallia not clear yet

Looks like I'm mafia again

You can be town for now. Your entire tone was different last game, it was like playing with a Cory-Doppelganger, I didn't like it ; . ;

Suspicious of Mish right now, the whole sleep/time thing was a strange statement. There are people from tons of different time zones, and if that were true, how come she never defends me when I'm being attacked while at work? It works both ways.

Vote Mish

If there is any post I couldn't get out of my head yesterday it's this one

Was sweating all night tbh

 

I approve.

 

 

 Of making you sweat that is  

 

 

More jokes to what Cory seems to be voicing as a legitimate concern. Instead of questioning it to reconcile his issue she diverts to being funny about it.

 

Unvote

 

I like giving replacements the benefit of the doubt.

 

@Clov - I'm a sniper, don't haaaate!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would normally say yes, the dice train is growing wayyyy too fast for my liking, but if he's reading the thread and not responding, that's sketchy.

 

Responds jokingly to FishDyx when he calls her out for sniping. "It's my meta" - I'm seriously getting tired of this defense by her and others. I don't care if you happened to roll town or scum, if you are going to continue this behavior than don't expect people (me specifically) to give you leeway just because 'it's how you normally play'. I've seen a fair number of times where you were mafia and skated to end game because people mostly ignore you.

 

Also hedges a bit on the Dice train.

 

Why would you suggest me if you have no good reasons? That in itself seems scummy was well as what Nyn pointed out.  

 

Pops up when Dice mentions her as someone he thinks is scummy. Literally 6 hours later from her last post and only to address the point against her specifically. The bolded portion is important for a later point.

 

Keep reading.

 

Been doing what I can, been so super busy it's not even funny >.< 12 hour shift today due to stupid caregivers.  I'll post more of a catch up tonight, but been trying to read the thread.  Blow up between Des/Cory is likely town on town.  I <3 Cory, but the whole getting angry thing makes me shy away in general.  Also, the last time I saw his play so impassioned he was scum.  He's likely town after the claim, but still.  

 

The 12 hour shift thing sucks, sorry to hear that. 

 

We never got that promised catch-up post though. She says Cory/Despot probably town/town but still backtracks a bit on Cory.

 

That is indeed.  It always seems strange for people to do that, because mafia members can often be just as active (if not moreso) than townies.

 

Here she is agreeing with Pral on his comment that RTE's reads seem to have put all the inactive players as his scum reads.

 

Hallia is now scum reading Pral. Another snipe post and potential town spew of RTE??

 

(Ok, Real Talk: I had about the worst day/night you can imagine due to a co-workers incompetance forcing me to work at 12 hour caregiving shift combined with nanny work.  I feel better today, but I wasn't going to tackle this because with all the high tension in thread)

 

 

Pral: You said my vote on Mish was sheeping? How's that possible when there were only two of us on her?  I don't think that word means what you think it means.

 

Dice:  I buy the claim for now, especially with how fast his train was going up at the time.

 

So between the two left we have a train of Cory/Lazy.  I don't recall much of Lazy's posting, but from reading back, Cory seems to have reigned in the anger some, and is looking more townish.  So for now.

 

Vote: Lazy

 

Also, apparently I'm a thing as well.  I'm Vanilla Town, so that'd kind of be a waste.

 

I touched on this earlier when I went over the EOD posts - but here Hallia admits that she doesn't recall Lazy's posts (therefore shouldn't be able to decide if he's scummy or not) but votes him anyway. Remember earlier the quote where Hallia counters Dice by saying him mentioning her without a reason is scummy? Well... I would say throwing your vote on someone without being able to intelligently speak on their play is just as scummy - if not more. Again, this gives me the vibe that Hallia wasn't necessarily interested in getting the RIGHT lynch, she just wanted to get SOMEONE lynched.

 

Also - the claim??? Why??? Also - lynching a VT, why is that a waste?

 

 

 

[Andrej]

Part 2/2

 

 

 

 

I'd be down with a pral flip

 

Sort of random. At this point several others had been voicing suspicion of Pral... again, Hallia just sort of going with the flow and expressing willingness to lynch consensus scum reads.

 

CFD all aboaarrrrrrrd?

 

Brings up a CFD for Pral.

 

Unvote

 

Vote Pral

 

 

I hedge nothing! MUAHAHAA!

 

Gets called out by BFG and then moves her vote over. More jokey responses - up to this point she hasn't said ANYTHING about either of the two people that she voted at EOD.

 

That time I said Cory's tone changed and I thought he was townish is declining again ; . ;

 

Makes an offhand comment about Cory.

 

AJ's afraid of mice 

 

Not sure what this even means, but whatever. Basically just more fluff.

 

AJ didn't you just do this very same thing to me, and I was town....again?

 

 

I think you're not very good at reading me. o.o

 

WIFOM defense on her part. Instead of actually responding to the points I raise against her regarding her activity around EOD, she resorts to bringing up a past game as if they should affect how I read her in this game.

 

So you're happier with the no lynch at all that we got?

 

 

Leelou;  I'd probably shoot Clov, the vote on me when we only ended up needing 1 to lynch right before night was very scummy indeed.  Them or Pral.

 

I guess this could be somewhat considering a relevant response. Here she seems to be defending her voting pattern at EOD that she would have preferred getting a lynch over not, but still. It sort of absolves herself of responsibility for who she helped lynch because she hasn't actively done any real digging herself. Going with the flow and sheep votes are what I would consider scummy/poor town behavior. Definitely not someone I want to keep alive very long.

 

ON IT.

 

CAH is Cards Against Humanity, one of the best games ever!

 

And we play.

 

A lot.

 

yes! Play with us. 

 

ALL FLUFF. Literally nothing relevant to the game, and further cases of how she isn't doing any digging herself.

 

Wait, YOLO tunneling is generally super bad, do you support AJ's tunneling on me then? 

 

This is a nice little snipe post on her part. Cory makes a comment about how tunneling can be detrimental to Town (which I agree with) and then calls my pressure of her as tunneling. Completely unjustified imo considering her play thus far - it just reads to me as an attempt to downplay what I am saying instead of actually trying to work and clear herself.

 

Pral, Lazy, Tina.

 

And you?

 

Touched on this earlier.

 

This reads like 3 names pulled out of a hat to me considering most of those have been scum read recently by other players. Remember earlier where she admitted to not remembering Lazy's content? Well, it certainly seems odd that she'd be willing to shoot him then.

 

Literally zero substance to this list.

 

I hope so.  

 

 

<3

 

Not much of a response, borderline buddying to Cory here since he is engaging her and trying to let her voice her opinions.

 

I found his play to be about par for course for himself.  I'm inclined to believe him, as many have argued, who else an target themselves (aside from docs)

 

I also found his repeated asking if Des was sure he wanted to reveal as a towntell, he was trying not to out him it seems to me.

 

Gives an actual opinion on Dice, which I agree with - doesn't really say much about her alignment though.

 

 

 

[Andrej]

TLDR

 

Hallia is coasting, basically. Before anyone tells me THIS IS HER META, I want to bring up the actual reads and actions she has committed to.

 

Her voting pattern around EOD should be enough to get her lynched imo. Extremely opportunistic votes and both on players that she previously said NOTHING about. This basically shows that she was more interested in lynching anyone. Mafia have to rely on lynches too, so again, a defense about how getting a lynch was better than not is going to be disregarded by me. Irt Pral she had actually agreed with some of his statements at an earlier part of the game, but later is more than happy to let him get lynched after others express their interest. She admits to not recalling Lazy's content and therefore shouldn't be able to form an opinion on him but votes him along with others (more consensus voting) and now lists him as 1 of the 3 players she would vig with literally zero commentary on her part as to why. These types of things do not add up. She also has a weird vote from D1 on Mish that she hasn't addressed properly. She is downplaying any pressure on my part towards her by saying that I'm just bad at reading her and has no reverted to simplifying it as me tunneling.

 

I want you all to look at the above ISO and tell me if you think I am unjustified with my focus on Hallia - then I want you to take that opinion and compare it with her subsequent defense.

[Cory Caboose]

Official stance: Playing CAH is not a FoSable offense. We need as many players as we can get. 

Rest is valid.

[Andrej]

What do you guys play on btw?

 

I love me some Apples to Apples.

[Cory Caboose]

Java webapp hosted at http://pyz.socialgamer.net/index.php

 

One thing on my Halleh list is that she endorses a shot at Clov for not voting Pral when asked about a vigkill after EOD1.

 

(And it looks this was taken to heart   )

 

Problem to me is that Clov!Scum is an absolutely conditional read on Pral being scum. IE, If Pral is scum, Clov may be scum for not hammering him. If Pral is town, Clov is also likely town.

 

I would think she would endorse a shot on Pral first.

[Cory Caboose]

ie Halleh's thought process is that Pral's alignment would tell us a lot about Clov's alignment.

Clov's alignment would tell us basically nothing about Pral's alignment.

 

... Why endorse a shot on Clov over Pral? Especially considering Clov has been much more active, has looked much more like a villager and Pral has slanked hardcore.

[Andrej]

Java webapp hosted at http://pyz.socialgamer.net/index.php

 

One thing on my Halleh list is that she endorses a shot at Clov for not voting Pral when asked about a vigkill after EOD1.

 

(And it looks this was taken to heart   )

 

Problem to me is that Clov!Scum is an absolutely conditional read on Pral being scum. IE, If Pral is scum, Clov may be scum for not hammering him. If Pral is town, Clov is also likely town.

 

I would think she would endorse a shot on Pral first.

 

*nods thoughtfully*

 

Mhm, mhm. I said as much.

 

I'm not gonna bash Thane for shooting Clov, but yeah - Pral was definitely the way to go to test this theory.

 

As far as Hallia endorsing Clov over Pral, I don't think that says a bunch. If you're beginning to formulate a Hallia/Pral connection, you have to factor in her EOD vote for him as well. I'm not sure I see scum!Hallia not only bussing but pushing her scum bud's lynch at that point in the game.

[Andrej]

Btw, you mentioned 11 things you saw me do through your ~pg 25 re-read that are villager indicative.

 

Mind telling me those?

 

I ask mostly just for the sake of me getting a better overall grasp on my meta for the next time I actually am scum - maybe then you won't soul read me off the bat, even though you were kinda nice about it on VS and were trying to give me a Day phase to prove otherwise

[Cory Caboose]

AJ I actually stopped taking notes on you and put you in a villager

 

Sort of like what I did with Red in TRW except your posts aren't a horrifying nightmare

 

I fished out what I had from when I posted my notepad through 20 before EOD, I pretty much put you in lock clear after http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/89426-standard-hitchhikers-game-to-the-galaxy-day-one/?p=3252462 because you basically said a list of things I was feeling and preparing to slowroll through the phase

 

Andrej+

+ loose

+ weirded out by Thane post

Early: Ok with Verb tone

Interested in Leelou/Tina

Pral out of flow

Cory good

BFG relaxed but paranoid

Interested in Des irt Fishsticks

+ BFG town

relaxed response to BFG

+ Adds Tina to Verbals post @ BFG about post restrictions

[Cory Caboose]

If most of you guys haven't noticed already, I usually I am not too fond of elaborating deeply on my feelings until closer to EOD1

 

One of the ways I've found it most effective to townhunt is to keep my thoughts and reasonings coming into the thread slow and seeing who is making the right conclusions for the right reasons

AJ did that early, hence all the metaphors and other stuff and nonsense I pulled out while being berated for my townread 

 

 

 

[Andrej]

Word.

 

I generally feel pretty good about those who reach similar conclusions as me, too.

 

Ftr, I nodded my head to you listing Verb as an outlier for your 3 vig targets.

 

I really want to see more of him. His posts just really, really bugged me for some reason on D1.

[Cory Caboose]

And the conversation between you and BFG was pretty telling

 

BFG says something like "I prefer being a villager and I'm pleased currently"

 

You get excited that BFG seems town

 

BFG jokingly FoSes you for townreading her too easy

 

You respond really relaxed and teasing her back - I think scum would have a tendency to take a light FoS like that a little more seriously, but it didn't phase you in any way and you kept rolling with your early thoughts (including your original BFG townread)

[Cory Caboose]

Word.

 

I generally feel pretty good about those who reach similar conclusions as me, too.

 

Ftr, I nodded my head to you listing Verb as an outlier for your 3 vig targets.

 

I really want to see more of him. His posts just really, really bugged me for some reason on D1.

 

From what I understand Verbal is a strong player and would probably be a candidate for deep wolf

 

He's been a mixed bag so far from me: He enters the thread a little snipey, he's too unreasonable with me for clearing you "too early" in a way I could see a wolf being mad at a near-consensus villager clearing a villager who is less consensus and then immediately becomes too conciliatory with Clov irt to Des and in general. I can't follow him logically at points.

 

He's also had some good responses, and he was on my page with me irt to Tina and Nyn and I liked him FoSing Leelou for her "I did it for reactions" post considering Leelou was townreading him pretty majorly.

 

The one thing that has bothered me the most is that he does sort of do what I do in the sense of he comes into the thread and says "Nyn is town, also Tina is town", just sort of sits on it, and then gets mad that I said "AJ is town" prior to it.

 

Color me wary

[Cory Caboose]

I don't really know how to interpret his "get in the game posts" to me either, but I haven't gotten to that in my reread and will need to see how it looks in terms of threadflow and his current line of thinking.

 

But sort of a nagging feeling

[Cory Caboose]

as far as I am concerned #CrayJay has been activated and is seeking vengeance

 

I don't care if you aren't 100% with me, you'll get there soon enough

 

I'm pretty excited about this game again now that I have a few days to get everything down

[Andrej]

In a general sense the way he's interacted with some people nags me. See: too reasonable - if you will. I haven't reread him in depth, but I am looking forward to seeing his content once he comes back from the weekend. Sorta feel bad since he'll have like 50 pages to read

 

Scum don't want #CrayJay to happen. I almost made a comment today about how we both lost the race to being the N1 kill Props to Nyn I guess - do we tinfoil yet on her dying words about how if she didn't make it then we need to revisit me/Pral?

 

My scum read on Hallia right now is pretty firm, but I'm having issue piecing together who her partners might be. Verb is an outlier read for somewhat gut feelings - I don't think he's interacted with Hallia all that much outside of a few jokes here and there.

 

I think we can potentially soft-clear several others with Hallia's coroner if she is indeed scum. She's kind of sniped a good bit this game - RTE has been one of the main targets so if I can find anything to help me possibly clear him I'm good with it.

[Cory Caboose]

Pral will very much need to be revisited at some point

 

I would be floorjaw-level brainbusted if you were Mafia here. I don't think I would know what to do with myself. I told you two kids to cut it out during Day 1 but then you went and broke the vase and that was vase was a family heirloom and OH MY GOD THE DOG IS EATING THE DIRT GET THE DOG IN THE KITCHEN GET HIM NOW

[Cory Caboose]

The only villager + I have for Hallia through 35 is she townread Nyn at a point where Nyn was making really villagery posts and it seemed like it could be natural

 

She then has a weird disagreement with Nyn and then blatantly lies when asked to explain a post that looked pretty meh

 

The fact that all she did up to that point was lay two townreads and then start disagreeing with one on semantics and then trying to cover it up is usually a pretty bad sign

[Andrej]

Luckily for your brain housing group, I'm not.

 

Hallia being scum would make me feel pretty hesitant about Despot too. He's kind of had her consistently in his null list, and while voicing favor in lynching her, has consistently gone elsewhere.

 

Basically I see a ton of value in getting rid of Hallia.

 

1) I think she's scum 2) it'll help me shore up some of my other reads while also potentially pointing in other positive directions for us to move it.

[Cory Caboose]

I would have a lot of trouble getting past Des' claim

 

Do you think Hallia would hardbus Pral like that EOD as scum-scum? I'm sort of hesitant to think she would, considering Pral came very close to being lynched.

[Andrej]

Right - the Tracker claim, fair point. I kind of forgot about that atm since I'm scouring my brain for the potential connections I see surrounding Hallia. Ftr - Tracker can also be made a scum role, as much as Watcher. I'd have to stretch pretty hard to find Despot's motivation to track the Watcher N1 as mafia, but the potential is there.

 

I also don't find Hallia bussing Pral like that likely on D1. Town cred is too malleable of a thing although generally Hallia is good at coasting through games as scum because too many people are willing to disregard her for meta reasons.

 

 

 

ALL THE MORE REASON TO LYNCH

 

 

IMO.

 

 

IMHO.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Andrej]

ISO interaction.