[Advanced] Twilight Mafia Game over - Mafia win

[Tommyrod]

You really think I'm that obvious, huh? Yeah, I'm new, but even in my first game I knew that was a bad idea. 

 

Even if I was scum, which I'm not, I wouldn't be stupid enough to clear all my scummates as town. 

 

This is the scummiest post ever, btw. She's had a lot of them.

[dawnflower8]

Anyway, it seems really obvious to me, folks. 5 hours.

You really are clueless. 

[dawnflower8]

 

You really think I'm that obvious, huh? Yeah, I'm new, but even in my first game I knew that was a bad idea. 

 

Even if I was scum, which I'm not, I wouldn't be stupid enough to clear all my scummates as town. 

 

This is the scummiest post ever, btw. She's had a lot of them.

 

If you lynch me, THE TOWN WILL LOSE. 

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

 

No, you just think I'm saying it to try to make a bad attempt to prove I'm not scum, when I really am. Just LISTEN TO ME. 

[Tommyrod]

I'm not really sure.

 

But I'll tell you right now that I am NOT SCUM. I'm not really expecting you to believe me though, based on how stupid the town is in this game. You are only focusing on how these 3 specific people might be scum. (Me, Clov, and Pral.) I'm actually laughing right now at how clueless you are and how much you seem to think I'm scum.

 

Also, Tommy: How come earlier in the game you were being friendly with me and thinking I was town, but now you think I'm scum? You question every single time I change what I think  someone's alignment is. Now I'm questioning yours.

 

Time. At first I thought you were too obtuse to be scum and it was relatively early in the game, so your lack of content and original thought wasn't as concerning. Now we're at must lynch and you still have no explanation for anything you've done in this game and you have conspicuous interactions with scummy folks while you've been gunning for the heads of townies all game without providing reasoning. Your me-too VT claim after mine was irksome but I let it go; the more I think about it the more weird it gets, like you were so happy to have that out to slip it in (and then you later FoS'd me for that, heh). Once we started running out of suspects your noob pass expired and I thought more about you (as did Darthe) and a scumteam with you in it makes sense more than any other I can envision. Getting Lenlo in there is hard. The answer is probably just really obvious. Dawn/Pral/Clov FTW.

 

That's how read progression is explained, and that's what you'd be doing right now if you were a townie.

[Tommyrod]

 

 

You really think I'm that obvious, huh? Yeah, I'm new, but even in my first game I knew that was a bad idea. 

 

Even if I was scum, which I'm not, I wouldn't be stupid enough to clear all my scummates as town. 

 

This is the scummiest post ever, btw. She's had a lot of them.

 

If you lynch me, THE TOWN WILL LOSE. 

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

 

No, you just think I'm saying it to try to make a bad attempt to prove I'm not scum, when I really am. Just LISTEN TO ME. 

 

Ah, but I said it first!

 

 

We're at MyLo and have about eight hours to come to a conclusion. If we lynch me today, the game ends. If we have any holstered claims, let's get it out on the table, there's not much time.

LOCK CLEAR

[dawnflower8]

Did you just lock clear yourself? Honestly, what was the point of that?

[Tommyrod]

Did you just lock clear yourself? Honestly, what was the point of that?

I'm showing how your logic... if it should apply to you... would also apply to me. 

[Tommyrod]

The point is the only evidence of you being town that you have, or apparently can, provide is "I am town."

This is not a defense, it's AtE at best, and kind of sad.

Show us who the scum are. Pretty simple.

[Tommyrod]

Awww yeah, Tommy bringing the WIM when it counts.

Hey scum:

[dawnflower8]

The point is the only evidence of you being town that you have, or apparently can, provide is "I am town."

 

This is not a defense, it's AtE at best, and kind of sad.

 

Show us who the scum are. Pretty simple.

So you want me to tell you who my scummates are? I can't tell you, 'cause I don't have any. I'm town. Maybe Pral and Clov are scum, but I can't tell you if they are. 

 

I think YOU are scum.

[Tommyrod]

 

The point is the only evidence of you being town that you have, or apparently can, provide is "I am town."

 

This is not a defense, it's AtE at best, and kind of sad.

 

Show us who the scum are. Pretty simple.

So you want me to tell you who my scummates are? I can't tell you, 'cause I don't have any. I'm town. Maybe Pral and Clov are scum, but I can't tell you if they are. 

 

I think YOU are scum.

 

 

Thanks for playing. Hey, if you bus your teammates you might get to live another day?

[Tommyrod]

Ok, here are my reads (scum to town)

Darthe 

Clov

Despo

Lenlo

Hallia

Dice

Verb

Tommy

 

And I have absolutely no clue about Laya. 

I'm getting a bit more suspicious of Lenlo. At first I completely believed his claim because he said it at a time where not everyone was trying to lynch him, which is a time a lot of mafia will fake claim, I think (because when I've been scum in other games, people would tell me to make fake claims as a last resort as soon as a lot of people tried to lynch me. I never did it though) But now, not so much - 2 of the 3 questions he asked would be pretty easy to figure out on his own. (And maybe the other, but I don't know what that role is so I can't say so.) And the other comments he has made after making that claim are kind of strange. 

 

Hallia's vote on me was really random. She just came in and voted me with no comment on my gameplay. I'm null on her right now just because of how confused I am by this.

 

And I've read a lot of Tommy's posts. I normally will not be confident that anyone's town, but he seems very trustworthy. 

 

 

 

The point is the only evidence of you being town that you have, or apparently can, provide is "I am town."

 

This is not a defense, it's AtE at best, and kind of sad.

 

Show us who the scum are. Pretty simple.

So you want me to tell you who my scummates are? I can't tell you, 'cause I don't have any. I'm town. Maybe Pral and Clov are scum, but I can't tell you if they are. 

 

I think YOU are scum.

 

Reasons? Who needs reasons?

 

I found one for you guys. I think I found the other two as well. You can thank me around 6:00 PM.

[Hallia]

I'm not really sure.

 

But I'll tell you right now that I am NOT SCUM. I'm not really expecting you to believe me though, based on how stupid the town is in this game. You are only focusing on how these 3 specific people might be scum. (Me, Clov, and Pral.) I'm actually laughing right now at how clueless you are and how much you seem to think I'm scum.

 

Also, Tommy: How come earlier in the game you were being friendly with me and thinking I was town, but now you think I'm scum? You question every single time I change what I think someone's alignment is. Now I'm questioning yours.

Don't call people stupid, I know most people left in this game don't mind, but some people may find that offensive.

[dawnflower8]

 

Ok, here are my reads (scum to town)

Darthe 

Clov

Despo

Lenlo

Hallia

Dice

Verb

Tommy

 

And I have absolutely no clue about Laya. 

I'm getting a bit more suspicious of Lenlo. At first I completely believed his claim because he said it at a time where not everyone was trying to lynch him, which is a time a lot of mafia will fake claim, I think (because when I've been scum in other games, people would tell me to make fake claims as a last resort as soon as a lot of people tried to lynch me. I never did it though) But now, not so much - 2 of the 3 questions he asked would be pretty easy to figure out on his own. (And maybe the other, but I don't know what that role is so I can't say so.) And the other comments he has made after making that claim are kind of strange. 

 

Hallia's vote on me was really random. She just came in and voted me with no comment on my gameplay. I'm null on her right now just because of how confused I am by this.

 

And I've read a lot of Tommy's posts. I normally will not be confident that anyone's town, but he seems very trustworthy. 

 

 

 

The point is the only evidence of you being town that you have, or apparently can, provide is "I am town."

 

This is not a defense, it's AtE at best, and kind of sad.

 

Show us who the scum are. Pretty simple.

So you want me to tell you who my scummates are? I can't tell you, 'cause I don't have any. I'm town. Maybe Pral and Clov are scum, but I can't tell you if they are. 

 

I think YOU are scum.

 

Reasons? Who needs reasons?

 

I found one for you guys. I think I found the other two as well. You can thank me around 6:00 PM.

 

Because you aren't trying hard enough to save the town, obviously. Also, you trying to get me to trust you earlier on in the game.

[Tommyrod]

Because you aren't trying hard enough to save the town, obviously. Also, you trying to get me to trust you earlier on in the game.

But this is just WIFOM. It looks very much like you're mafia, so you saying "you're so wrong" and calling me an idiot instead of showing me why I'm wrong isn't going to get us anywhere... and only makes me think I'm right.

 

You're getting angry instead of getting disheartened. The former is a mafia reaction, the latter is a townie response.

 

You should be game solving. Right now. If nothing else, when you are town in a situation like this, you should be fighting to clear yourself (like I am right now). But you're not, you appear incapable of discussing this game in any meaningful capacity. Your play certainly points to you being scum, as do your interactions. The one single thing that points to you being town is inexperience, but that's not a sufficient reason to clear you when everything else points to a scum agenda and you're resorting to name calling as a defense.

 

I don't know what else to say to you until you start gamesolving.

[Tommyrod]

Four hours. She's bailed.

 

##Vote Dawn

 

Either pick me or her. I'm confident in my reasoning. She'll flip scum.

[Tommyrod]

I could also go for Pral or Clov wagons, but with nobody around... what are we supposed to do?

[Verbal32]

I read why you wanted me to unvote. I just didn't want to because I thought it was silly, since I'd probably end up voting Hallia again. 

might have, I don't know.

 

 

Pral seems the second most town to me after Verbal.

Good lord.  You have me in crunch time as your #1 town read, but you're questioning me and thinking my advice is silly?  Don't you think I'd have the town's best interests in mind by calling for an unvote that early in the day?

 

 

And Tom is just beating you senseless in the thunderdome you guys just had.  I mean, badly.

[Verbal32]

I'm not really sure.

 

But I'll tell you right now that I am NOT SCUM. I'm not really expecting you to believe me though, based on how stupid the town is in this game. You are only focusing on how these 3 specific people might be scum. (Me, Clov, and Pral.) I'm actually laughing right now at how clueless you are and how much you seem to think I'm scum.

 

Also, Tommy: How come earlier in the game you were being friendly with me and thinking I was town, but now you think I'm scum? You question every single time I change what I think  someone's alignment is. Now I'm questioning yours.

 

After all hoops I had to jump through to get you to do a simple townie thing like unvote at endgame so the town can get their bearing, we'll be discussing this post in greater detail after the game if you are town.

 

;-)

[Verbal32]

I really need Clov to come claim and provide thoughts?

 

 

Everybody, if you had only ONE choice to lynch for the win, who would it be?

 

ONE choice.

[Verbal32]

^ there shouldn't be a "?" after the 1st sentence there....

[Leelou]

Vote Count

 

Tommy (1) - Des

Dawn (1) - Tommy

Not voting - Verbal, Lenlo, Pral, Hallia, Dawn, clov

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to vote 

 

Deadline today 6 pm EST

[Pralaya]

Ok, here are my reads (scum to town)

Darthe 

Clov

Despo

Lenlo

Hallia

Dice

Verb

Tommy

 

And I have absolutely no clue about Laya. 

I'm getting a bit more suspicious of Lenlo. At first I completely believed his claim because he said it at a time where not everyone was trying to lynch him, which is a time a lot of mafia will fake claim, I think (because when I've been scum in other games, people would tell me to make fake claims as a last resort as soon as a lot of people tried to lynch me. I never did it though) But now, not so much - 2 of the 3 questions he asked would be pretty easy to figure out on his own. (And maybe the other, but I don't know what that role is so I can't say so.) And the other comments he has made after making that claim are kind of strange. 

 

Hallia's vote on me was really random. She just came in and voted me with no comment on my gameplay. I'm null on her right now just because of how confused I am by this.

 

And I've read a lot of Tommy's posts. I normally will not be confident that anyone's town, but he seems very trustworthy.

I think I just found the smoking gun. Check out this progression on reads. First, these are the only posts where Dawn mentions Clov before he becomes her #2 candidate. But even better, take a look at her list of reads. She's got Darthe at the bottom at me at the top when really she has no business giving me the strongest town lean in the game by that point; she said I 'sounded trustworthy' or some other made up read like that, I'm guessing someone told her not to push me. But by this point she's talked about her scumread on Des for like... ten or one dozen posts, and hasn't discussed Clov at all, yet there he is, scumread #2.

 

And who does she have no lean on?

 

Pral.

 

BOOM.

 

 

Seriously, you are overreaching if you are saying that we are connected because she put my name specifically as null that early in the game. I mean, not even a newbie would do something as obvious as that. Anyway, I am not sure why she put me like that but her responses are weak related to that.

 

 

To all: check out how this goes down.

 

1. Clov attacks Dawn for being inconsistent.

 

2. Dawn shifts the focus to how other people are scummy. Hallia, Des, Darthe. (Never talks about Clov himself. Never discussed why Clov was her #2 scumread earlier in the game. Never discusses why she moves him into lock clear town category after he nips at her heels for several days.)

 

3. Clov gives Dawn an "out" to work with him on pinning someone else. 

 

Classic distancing. And pretty sneakily executed, too.

 

 

I do agree somewhat to the connection between Clov and her though. Rather than naming someone, not mentioning or discussing someone is a bigger scumtell. Still not a definite but I can see what you are looking at.

[Pralaya]

Everybody, if you had only ONE choice to lynch for the win, who would it be?

 

 

Hallia

 

P.S I would not be available for the deadline as it is at 3:30 AM my time and I would be asleep by then. I will be available for an hour or so more. I will vote for the general consensus, if any, by then. Hope Clov, Des, Len show up more by that time.

[Tommyrod]

Pral, let's imagine it's not you. What's the team: Dawn/Hallia/Clov? Can you show me anything that points to that?