[Advanced] Dragonmount Witchhunt Mafia!!! Game over, Witches win!!!

[WWWwombat]

Actually,

 

unvote

Vote No Lynch

 

We either use the Verbal role now, or we don't use it.  For all you people worried about giving the scum info about roles, this is the best time to use the Verbal role.  The only dead person who could possibly have been Verbal is Lenlo.  But Lenlo probably wasn't Verbal.  The odds are in our favor.  The longer we wait, the more the odds turn against us.  Furthermore, if we ever need to No Lynch near endgame, we will be glad we've already used the Verbal role because then we can NL without giving the scum role info as Verbal role will be neutered so they won't be able to tell if he's alive.

 

You guys should read this and analyze it like Alanna did.

[WWWwombat]

Wombat... What if Lenlo was the Verb-role? What then? We have no idea of knowing. We can't base our plans on the actions of roles that may or may not be in the game anymore.

 

A risk we have to take imo.  Statistically speaking, the probability that Lenlo was Verb is 1/9.  If we wait even one more phase, the probability that Verbal is dead will be too high to No Lynch with any sort of expectation of what will happen imo.

[nervositee]

I'm steering the conversation for sure.  Mainly because not many others seem to want to take it in a pro-town direction.

 

Seems like you have decided it's "your way or the highway". No problem except you seem to FOS anyone who doesn't agree, which doesn't sit too well with me. It's fine that you have decided that you want a no-lynch and hope the verbal role is still alive and will do exactly as you say. But your refusal to consider any other course of action, and labeling it anti-town comes across as desperate at this point. And yeah - doesn't sit too well at all. 

 

Also, and I'm sorry if you've explained this before, don't understand why the Verb kill of Jack would be better than a lynch of jack? Except making it easier based on todays gameplay for role-fishing. 

[WWWwombat]

I just bumped the post with my reasoning in it.

 

The reasons are simple:

 

1.  Verbal kill prevents the Witches' Last Gasp mechanic

2.  We may need to No Lynch if we ever find ourselves at MyLo near endgame.  If the Verbal role has not been used by then, however, then No Lynching would not be an option as it would give the mafia role information that they could use to win the game.

[WWWwombat]

Suppose we are in an endgame situation with 1 Witch and 3 town.  A good tactic at this point in a normal mafia game might be to No Lynch, force the mafia to kill someone, and then head into the last game day with only 3 lynch candidates, making it more likely for the townies to spot the mafia.  Unfortunately, the soupkill combined with the Verbal role makes this tactic hard to employ in this game.  Because No Lynching at MyLo could tell the mafia the last bit of info they need to soupkill for the win.  Also, No Lynching may not be strictly possible if the Verbal role is alive and unused.

 

This is why we need to burn the Verb role now or resign ourselves to never ever No Lynching in this game.

[WWWwombat]

It's time to step outside of dogmatic assumptions and think.

[Leelou]

No lynch

 

I'd still be up for actually lynching Jack though. 

[Sedai]

If y'all are dead set on killing me the Dap role is > the verb role.

 

Dap is a wild card at end game and can hurt the town more then help it IMO. I've said all I care to on the matter and explained my reasonings as efficiently as I could.

[csarmi]

Official Vote Count

 

No Lynch (3): Wombat, Leelou

Wombat (1): Jack

Jack (1): Mish

 

Not Voting (6): Pray, Verbal, Hallia, Dice, Alanna, Vos

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to hammer if all other votes have been cast. To "hyperlynch", N-1 votes are needed, where N=the number of players currently alive. In other words, it takes 9 votes to "hyperlynch".

 

Day 3 deadline

 

Votes cast since the last VC:

 

 

 

 

 

unvote

Vote Jack

 

Actually,

 

unvote

Vote No Lynch

 

We either use the Verbal role now, or we don't use it.  For all you people worried about giving the scum info about roles, this is the best time to use the Verbal role.  The only dead person who could possibly have been Verbal is Lenlo.  But Lenlo probably wasn't Verbal.  The odds are in our favor.  The longer we wait, the more the odds turn against us.  Furthermore, if we ever need to No Lynch near endgame, we will be glad we've already used the Verbal role because then we can NL without giving the scum role info as Verbal role will be neutered so they won't be able to tell if he's alive.

 

 

No lynch

 

I'd still be up for actually lynching Jack though.

 

[WWWwombat]

If y'all are dead set on killing me the Dap role is > the verb role.

 

Dap is a wild card at end game and can hurt the town more then help it IMO. I've said all I care to on the matter and explained my reasonings as efficiently as I could.

 

Read:  I'm done trying to defend so I'm going to fearmonger.

[nervositee]

Moderator question: Does the Verbal role have the option to holster?

[Sedai]

Wombat I'm not fear mongering. Just saying what role would be more effecient to use as town. I'm pretty much useless tbh

[WWWwombat]

Dap role is a suicide role.  Not very efficient.

[nervositee]

My reads so far. Stream-of-reads-style. 

 

1. Pray - Comes in late - starts off with a Wombat-suspicion (on "Too-town"-grounds). Meta-defends/buddies Lily. Failed soup-kill, which makes him come out saying he did this as a grand scheme to throw off witch role-hunting. Not much else of importance. No reason atm to question his claim, but still holding the option open for a gambit. Null leaning town.  

2. Wombat - Starts off warning people of the soup-thing. While it could be for town-points it reads genuine, and seeing the witches went for soup-kills N1 I don't think it would be worth the trade-off. Gets scum-dawns first vote, even if it's a wierd kind of "FoS/defense"-post. Really unhappy with Lens joke-play D1. Already at night-break shows signs of him rather having Verbal-kills than lynches. Goes all out next day steamrolling a verb kill over a lynch, because it would negate Last Gasp (which isn't that much of a big deal imo) and putting it in the hands of a confirmed townie. I think these are all bad points tbh, as already expressed in thread. I'm still figuring out what it says of his alignment though. I'm not seeing the good town-angle on this, but at the same time I have no idea why scum would do this, unless getting another scapegoat for a miskill by The Verbal (although, this wouldn't be confirmed until potentially later). This is all doing my head in. I'm also thinking his paranoia of outing town roles are starting to become very overplayed. Saying we shouldn't vote for a lynch, because it can out roles is beyond town paranoia and starting to look like an act. Seeing we don't get any flips, he could easily have set himself up as super-townie early to try and ride through the game on it. Starting to lean scum here. 
 

3. Verbal - Quick to point out the "super-townie-angle" on Wombats soup-warning. Cosvotes himself. Goes after Leelou for joking too much, then calling out him for joking. Goes back to check Dawns interactions, but completely ommits her interactions with Wombat. Claims it's because he felt what they had interacted about was also more generally discussed? which doesn't sit well with me at all (link to my thoughts on this). Nor a big fan of how he defended himself about it. Sows doubt of Prals alignment too,bringing up the possibility of a gambit. Combined with his first post warning about Wombat he seems to be hard at work making sure no-one gets too much of a town-read? Mixed reads here, could easily be scum. 

4. Mish - Comes in and very gently meta-defends Len, then brings some gut-feels about me, dawn and Lily, votes Lily and cosvotes Leelou. Then adds her analysis of the soup-kills with some assumptions about the level of experiences of the scum. Interesting that she thinks scum is either two "top-tier" players or one of those and one "low-tier" player. Yet places herself and Pral in the "mid-tier". Still, liked the analysis and the work put into it. Claims she was targeted for a NK and protected. I have no problem seeing the angels voting for Mish, so no reason to doubt this at this point. Town read

5. Jack - First to mention the Cosvote. Then cosvotes himself, followed by a "we need to talk this out". Wierd. Votes Lily for overplaying the Panda and her interactions with Verb. During my re-read I haven't written down much on him, nor noticed anything special that stood out. I did look twice at Wombats ISO though, as Jack is in fact the only player that has fished for roles, and coupled with the soup-kill on Lily it doesn't look too good. Mixed leaning scum here too. 

6. Leelou - Comes across as relaxed townie to me at the start. Jokes around with Verb alot further on in D1. Comes across wary but nothing that sticks out either way. Will prob do a ISO to see if I missed something. 

7. Dawn

8. Hallia - Very inactive. Especially her "I'm here for two more hours"-post, without adding anything to the game is very strange. Why claim you are available and not contribute at all? Null read. 

9. Lenlo - lynched Day 1
 

10. Dice - Seems very eager not to distribute the panda. Points out he doesn't want it, but that either he or Len should have it. Afraid of the target on his back, and "[...] town might [kill] if he makes a mistake.". Apparently skims pretty hardcore and keeps missing that for no-one to get the panda is not an option. Again and again, then when asked about comes with a strange "yes nervo i am. you just dont like what im saying." which is... completely irrelevant. Don't have anything to base a suspicion on, but his play just seems... off. Mixed read, suspicious

 

11. Alanna - Sick D1, comes in D2 with a pretty good post, asking questions about the cosvotes (which, I have to admit, striked me as a bit wierd too, even though I started it). Not much to hold onto here, but her posts have read good to me. Will probably do a ISO here too to see if I've missed anything, but so far leaning town. 

12. Vos
 

13. Lily - Soupkilled Night 1

 

This might make me wildly unpopular, but I'm gonna go against the grains and

 

Vote Wombat.

 

Everything else aside, I don't like that he is trying to work against town actually scum-hunting. The only way for town to hint at their roles are by the results they get if they have information roles (or strangely protect other players, like pray). Scum hunting and voting doesn't give out anything else than town/scum alignments, and 

1. Scum already knows that

2. Scum doesn't want that out in the open

3. Town do. 

 

Might be the fool here if I'm wrong, but I think this game would benefit from more angles here. Seems like Wombat did a clever little mind-trick with saying "We'll kill Jack, how should we do it?" and everyone else reacts by just discussing how to do it, instead of why we should automatically follow Wombats word by default in the first place. 

 

I'm pretty sure either Wombat or Jack is scum at this point, but right now I'm more willing to put my money on Wombat. Third is probably either Verb, Dice or Hallia, but that is still in the blue. 

 

This game seriously messes my head up now, but I think this is where I stand, heh. 

[Pralaya]

Had a reread of the whole thread, especially the posts by Dawn (however sparse it is) and other interactions surrounding th e whole cosvote and D1 lynch. Two names stand out and I will focus on both of them below. This is going to be a long post and I have included all my suspicions below


Day 1:
 

Cosvote Mish

Wombat's starts off calling Mish as town and it came out of nowhere. Mish had not done anything scummy nor townie and was mostly a null read. Wombat agreed with a Mish post and that was all the reason for the strong town read on her?

 

I don't mind getting it. It's not like it's uncontrollable.You just gotta be a bit more c.areful with the timing of your votes And if it does end up in a witch's hands, it's no big problem really either. If the person who gets it abuses it, it's very easy to nail them down as a witch. It doesn't become dangerous in a wicth's hands before closer to LyLo. Either way it's a tiny thing in a very advanced role madness game. Not the end of the world. And someone IS getting it. And I'd rather control who it goes to on-thread, by getting a majority, than letting the witches decide. So since at the moment there is a tie, I will
 
Cosvote Mish
 
The other person I'm most comfrotable voting it for is Verbal. I'm wary of wombat since I can't decide right now if I think it's a townie following his instincts or a mafia trying to buddy. Wouldn't be the first time he's done that to me
 
I got a more town feel from Alanna than from Lily in this. Lily I get the feeling she's trying to play all the sides of the field. Alanna comes across as more genuine concerned townie.

Mish follows it up with a cosvote on herself. At this point, she made herself the leading train for the cosvote. The idea was obviously to get the double vote power on themselves.

Around this time, there were also discussions on how a double voter was in danger of being killed. That both Wombat and Mish started this train out of the blue did look odd, given the context. Unfortunately for them, more people started believing Leelou and this one died early.

Also, note how she is wary of Wombat's initial post.
 

It sort of seems like Wombat is trying too hard to sound like town, so I'm actually starting to lean scum on Wombat. Although, his reminder on the soup mechanism makes me not so sure. That's a very town thing to do (since that's very powerful if the scum end up using it) but he could have said it to try to seem very town. 
 
Unvote Dawn. Vote Wombat.

Then there is this weak vote by dawn, again out of the blue. She talks about how she is not sure about Wombat and yet votes him anyway. Looks like classic distancing.

Wombat had a back and forth with Dawn on this post, which seemed townish at that time but given the flip of Dawn, it looks a bit drawn out and detailed for what was essentially a weak vote. This seems to reinforce the fact now that it was a good distancing tactic between Dawn and Wombat.
 

Len never gets serious /itisknown.
 
 
Immediate thoughts:
 
Getting some iffy vibes of Vos. A bit of iff from Dice. I disagree with Pral's thoughts on Lily's meta, in my experience she's more defensive and evasive as mafia and she's my highest mafia read right now. Verb, Wombat, Leelou slight town leans. Dawn jumpy newbie. Lenlo, undecided.
 
Vote Lily
 
 
cosunvote vote Leelou

Mish then votes Lily after disagreeing with my meta assessment of Lily. Slightly nudges vos and dice. Important thing is that she is undecided on the main lynch. It is kind of obvious at this point that it was either Lenlo or no one (apart from Verbal's kill). Her "undecided" assessment is a way of playing it safe in case Lenlo's role is somehow determined later.

Meanwhile, Wombat is going hard on Lenlo. Starts the Lenlo train and keeps pushing it throughout Day 1. Not that Lenlo helped much in defending himself, but Wombat FoS's any post that lenlo made, pushing the train further. Also, starts nudging Dice, similar to Mish.
 

 

and what has it really said Pral? hmmm??  most of it has been either about double voter, lens humor, or my supposed linking. Thats it. thats not an informed decision.

 
Lol. D1/N1 actions are always sort of shots in the blind. And so are D1 lynches. Personally I'd rather trust in the action of a role that we know will be town, than a lynch.
 
And all the talk about the double voter is VERY interesting gameplay, and those of you who try to paint it as unimportant... Big, huge, FoS.

 

Was wondering when someone would see this angle.  Extra town points for Mish imo.

After Lenlo is lynched, me and Dice had an argument about his conosolidation vote vs verbal vote. Both of us had their opinions and Mish chipped in against Dice. Given the fact that both Mish and Wombat have been nudging Dice, this seems to be an obvious move.

However, the interesting point is that she FoS's everyone who tried to paint the double vote unimportant. But, she never references this again throughout the game. If that was an important point, shouldn't Mish have used it in her cases later? Agreed that the Dawn lynch took precedence but that she completely forgot about this means it was a old-fashioned nudge by Mish, which she usually does a lot as scum.

Also, there is the obligatory town assessment of Mish by Wombat. He doesn't bring up this point either later in the game.

[Pralaya]

Day 2:
 
Day 2 was focused mainly on Dawn's lynch. I intentionally did not want to discuss much because it would lead to role-slips. Mish and Dice disagreed with me, which is fine, as it is a difference of opinion. Wombat agrees with me and this is where he starts the buddying angle. 
 

 

 

QQ moar scrub.
 
 

CONFIRM.
 
Vote dawn.
 
I think I'm seeing a downside to this lynch system...

 
Me2.

 

 
Hypocrite.  I don't want the town harmed - that is called caring about your team.  You going to ride Vos' coattails on the cheesy case he's trying to build?

 

 
Maybe you should have voted then.  I found Vos' point to be interesting and wanted to see how you responded to it.

 

 
This was an interesting sequence on Day 2. Vos tries to make a case on verbal based on a slip on his part. Wombat starts FoSing verbal based on vos' case. And essentially says that it was to check his reaction. Never says what his read on Verbal is.
 
Meanwhile, Mish states her case
 

Immediate thoughts while halfway through reread.
 
I think the other two witches are very experienced players. And in this group that would be Verbal, Wombat, Leelou, Jack, possibly Alanna. Players who feel very confident in their abilites to be mafia and believe they are good at leading town. They risked Dawn for the soupkills now in the hopes of getting rid as many townies as possible, not worrying about loosing a teammember early because the remaining two think they can do it just well. I'm pretty certain there is at least one witch between Wombat/Verbal/Jack. Verbal and Jack I'll show with quotes on later why I think so. Wombat simply because he came out of D1 looking very good and townie. I do not think a team consisting mainly of newer, "weaker" (and I do not mean that as an insult in any way, I'm just not finding the correct word right now, hope you understand what I mean ) players like Vos, Hallia, Dice + Dawn, would have attempted the soup kill. Pral and I I would classify as "mid level" players. Pral is confirmed town since he was attempted to be killed and I know I'm not a witch. So I find it most likely the two remaining witches are two of the "upper lever" players, or one "upper level" and one of Vos, Dice, Hallia.

 
This is an interesting post. She essentially names the experienced guys and says that one of them has to be scum. Calls out Jack/Wombat/Verbal as the leading contenders. She equally casts doubt on all three of them in this post but later on in the thread, subtly drops Wombat as a town read, essentially saying that either Verbal or Jack is scum. Also, notice that she puts herself in the mid-level.
 
 

 

I recommend everyone read up on the soup mechanic.  Because of this mechanic it is very important for townies not to tip, hint at, or reveal their roles..  We should still stop before lynching someone to allow a last defense, but forcing a true roleclaim will be as good as killing a townie.  And if the scum ever figure out all of our roles, they can end the game in one night.  It is important that we very carefully consider our actions in this game as outing power roles is much, much more dangerous than usual.  Traditional scumhunting will be vital.

 
I still don't think that was a "too townie" post from Wombat. Reads as good, solid town.

 

 
The same post that she was "wary" of Wombat earlier is now a good, solid town read. A complete u-turn here, especially given the context of her naming 3 people as scum. 
 
She spends the rest of the post casing Jack and Verbal and clearing Wombat.
 

 

It sort of seems like Wombat is trying too hard to sound like town, so I'm actually starting to lean scum on Wombat. Although, his reminder on the soup mechanism makes me not so sure. That's a very town thing to do (since that's very powerful if the scum end up using it) but he could have said it to try to seem very town. 
 
Unvote Dawn. Vote Wombat.

 
I'll be coming more back to this later, but I don't think Dawn and Wombat is on the same team. This doesn't read like distancing. This reads like trying to participate and look townie by going off things others have said; riding Lily's coattails slightly.

 

 
She also thinks that Dawn was not distancing Wombat. Wait. Who said anything about "distancing"? Nobody brought it up. If she thought Wombat was solid town, shouldn't she be thinking that Dawn was trying to implicate Wombat. Why bring up distancing? 
 
That was a big scumslip by Mish. 
 

I'm pretty certain Dawn and Wombat isn't mafia together... Again this doesn't read like distancing. They're a bit too tied together. A big mistake to do when making Dawn do the soup kills at night. And Wombat is a bit too good for this. I'm wifoming myself in circles, but I'm choosing to trust Wombat. For now.

 
She tries to reinforces the point by saying that Dawn wouldn't be distancing if she was supposed to be doing soupkills. But, the fact is that the scum did not think of it as a risk. Wombat addressed the same. 
 
Big thing about Day 2 was Mish essentially calling Jack/Verbal town, Wombat towing the same line and essentially setting up one of them for the lynch the next day

[Pralaya]

Day 3:
 

Vote No wombat
 
A lynch is basically the same thing as letting verbal shoot except everyone has a say and it's more of an informed decision. You also give the witches more chance to figure out who to soup. I asked Des, witches don't get a coroner report on lynches but they do on night kills. And the soup mechanic is towns biggest adversary the later the game ticks.

 
Wombat starts off with his No Lynch post. Possibly hoping that the Verbal character mislynches, instead of the town making an informed decision
 
He makes a very valid point of removing Witches Last Gasp, provided we lynch the scum in the first place. Des confirmed that Verbal's thing is a one-off. So, if we get it wrong once and he lynches a town, the scum get all the advantage. 
 
Then, later, he starts his case on Jack, carrying over from the previous day. 
 

Sorry for not being very talkative the last day or so, been living too much in my own head. Right now it's very late and I'm very tired, so I'll catch up tomorrow.
 
But I was targeted for a kill last night. I was protected.

 
This is what lit up like a Christmas tree. I don't believe this at all. First of all, we are not sure if the one being targetted/protected are told so by the mod. Second, if I was not the one being protected, I would have bet it was Leelou with her double vote thingie. I find it very hard to believe that both the scum targetted Mish and the Angels protected Mish. 
 

Interesting.  I thought it would have been Pralaya but maybe they saw you as a more immediate threat.  Also sheds a new light on Jack floating the remote possibility of scum holstering last night.

 
Wombat accepts this way too easily. No questioning, no doubting - straight to accepting it and putting the focus on Jack. Yeah, if Mish was town, the scum might have thought her a more immediate threat, but why would the Angels protect her? Ironically, he says that scum holstering was a "remote possibility" where I would say that both scum and angels targetting Mish is the remote possibility. 
 
Jack does indeed mention a good point about scum holstering and this is exactly the plan. 
 

Because it's not very likely.  The only reason I see the witches holstering last night would be to clear one of their own by claiming they were shot at.  And with at least one witch already in the grave, I really don't think it would be worth it, especially since Mish is the one who has claimed she was shot, and I don't think she would have been a lynch candidate today.
 
I do like how you try to tie the holster to my pushing the no lynch though.  It's totally transparent.  How would holstering help the witches rolefish at all?

 
I will give props to Wombat to  get the whole plan out, trying for a town cred. He has been doing it a lot this game, right from the intial soup kill post. 
 

We should no lynch and Verbal kill Jack today imo.  Don't give him a last gasp.

 
There, trying to misdirect the Verbal kill on Jack. 
 

1. Pray - Town read
2. Wombat - LOCK CLEAR
3. Verbal - Mixed
4. Mish - Town lean
5. Jack - Scum read
6. Leelou - Mixed
7. Dawn - lynched Day 2 Confirmed Witch
8. Hallia - Null
9. Lenlo - lynched Day 1 Probably town imo =\
10. Dice - Null
11. Alanna - Null
12. Vos - Mixed
13. Lily - Soupkilled Night 1 Confirmed Town

 
Me and Mish are the only ones he has a town read. Interesting. And, Mish has a solid town read on Wombat too. 
 

I don't like participating in gambits, and I certainly don't mastermind them. I play my way and I don't let myself be dictated by others, town or mafia.
 
 
I am going to Vote Jack
 
 
Also @ Wombat; we'll find out sooner or later if Jack is a witch if we lynch him. If the Csarmi-role is still alive, that person will tell us their results after a while hopefully. And then of course there's the Des role, wich will learn who every witch is if that player is alive when we go into night with 4 or less persons alive. Pluss of course when the game ends

 
And, Mish votes Jack. Trying to make sure that it is a no-lynch today or a Jack train.

[Pralaya]

In short, it is a Mish-Wombat scum team. 

 

1. Day 1 - a lot of buddying trying to get the cosvote to Mish

2. Mish and Wombat's nudges FoS on those trying to downplay cosvote but not bringing it again in the game

3. Dawn's classic distancing of Wombat and Mish later trying to defend it strongly to clear Wombat

4. Mish bringing in the idea that the scum team would have experienced players (Wombat/Jack/Verbal) but subtly clearing Wombat as town in the next post

5. Mish claiming she was targetted and protected and Wombat accepting it immediately and deflecting the attention to Jack, essentially setting up jack as today's target.

 

vote Wombat 

 

May also go with the no-lynch route but I am not sure if verbal character is alive  nor am i sure if I can trust that person to kill the scum. So, for now, the direct option is the best.  

[michellem]

I'll get to the rest of that later or tomorrow cause I'm in a bad mood and I don't want it leaking over here.

 

But, from the OP: "Night Kill Survival: If a player survives being killed at night there is no public announcement made. However, the player is told privately that they survived."

[Pralaya]

This still makes me uneasy.  A ploy where you are scum and sacrificed a teammate to clear yourself 100% for the entire game seems like an easy way to win this thing.  I would have done it, so if Mish is to be believed and one of myself, Jack, or Wombat is the "scum mastermind", then wouldn't it stand to reason one of them would think of it?  I know Wombat would have....

 

 

Just to address this gambit thing that verbal and the others have raised. It is a good point and a good theory to make.

 

However, if you think about it, for the gambit to work you would need,

 

1. An outed town role. If the scum do not know a guaranteed town role , then they would fail on the first try and would never get to execute their gambit

2. A buddying angle to make it believe that the town role and  the scum  are connected

3. Sacrificing a witch, which is very risky. Especially in a game where all three witches have good powers and there are a lot of town powers which can potentially find out who the witches are.

 

This would be a good gambit later in the game but on Day 1, it is quite improbable. The better thing would be to fail a soupkill on a scum the first try, not get the witches name out but try to project the scum as a town. 

 

There was no way that the scum could determine Lily's role if I was scum. Lily had given no hints about her role. The only way the scum could guess her role was because of my buddy post.

[WWWwombat]

You're way off on me Pral.  Also, I've offered multiple reads on Verbal and Jack.  I'll pull them for you.

[Pralaya]

I'll get to the rest of that later or tomorrow cause I'm in a bad mood and I don't want it leaking over here.

 

But, from the OP: "Night Kill Survival: If a player survives being killed at night there is no public announcement made. However, the player is told privately that they survived."

 

Alright, missed that. But, the rest of the points still stands. That even the witches know that the player is told privately makes the holster theory more probable. 

[WWWwombat]

Scumminess Scale (0-10):

 

1. Pralaya - 1

2. Wombat - 0

3. Verbal - 8

4. Mish - 4

5. Jack - 5

6. Leelou - 5

8. Hallia - 4

10. Dice - 3

11. Alanna - 2

12. Vos - 2

 

 

I think that's the lowest I've been on a scum scale. I should worry I think

 

 

But it really isn't.

 

 

Normalized scum scores:

 

Pralaya: -1.03

Wombat: -1.47

Verbal: 1.98

Mish: 0.26

Jack: 0.69

Leelou: 0.69

Hallia: 0.26

Dice: -0.17

Alanna: -0.60

Vos: -0.60

 

 

You are hovering just at the 75th scum percentile, Jack.

[WWWwombat]

1. Pray - Town read

2. Wombat - LOCK CLEAR

3. Verbal - Mixed

4. Mish - Town lean

5. Jack - Scum read

6. Leelou - Mixed

7. Dawn - lynched Day 2 Confirmed Witch

8. Hallia - Null

9. Lenlo - lynched Day 1 Probably town imo =\

10. Dice - Null

11. Alanna - Null

12. Vos - Mixed

13. Lily - Soupkilled Night 1 Confirmed Town

 

And then there's this one that you already quoted.

[WWWwombat]

And Pralaya, you should read my case on Jack.