[Advanced] Dragonmount Witchhunt Mafia!!! Game over, Witches win!!!

[Pralaya]

I'm curious:

 

Why did you choose to buddy Lily?

 

Well, I had a genuine town read on her. My reasons, as I mentioned her meta, were not fake. I don't know about other's experience with her play, but my experience with her as scum and her posts in game did not match and that's what gave me the town read on her.

[Pralaya]

 

 

Mish you talked about knowing Lenlo's alignment and you seem certain of his towniness. However we have no proof that Lenlo wasn't a witch. Reads like a scum slip.

 

I said it before. I see it as extremely unlikely that if Lenlo was a witch, that they'd risk outting another of them with the soup kills this night. It's quite simply logic.

 

 

That's a bad argument imo.  Soupkill only outs a witch if they've already successfully soupkilled.  So soupkilling Lily was low risk.  At worst it would have made Lily look town and lost them a kill opportunity, but that's not that bad in an essentially no coroner game where they can possibly get multiple kills in a night.  And once Lily died, they probably thought Pralaya was Turin, so saw that as low risk.

 

This.

 

However, would the scum team risk their nightkill and attempt a sooupkill if they were not convinced of both our roles? Agreed that if they failed on Lily, they would have stopped. But, with a scum already dead, would they risk their nightkill?

[Pralaya]

More importantly. Where did it say Lily was Ithi? Don't get me wrong it's not far of a reach since Turin was the failed soup. But you seem certain she was. Interesting.

 

Eh, isn't that obvious? There were no other roles hinted, as far as I know (if they were, keep it to yourself please). It was clear they mistook me for Turin. What other role would they have guessed for Lily other than Ithillan? Given the context of the game.

[Verbal32]

 

I'm curious:

 

Why did you choose to buddy Lily?

 

Well, I had a genuine town read on her. My reasons, as I mentioned her meta, were not fake. I don't know about other's experience with her play, but my experience with her as scum and her posts in game did not match and that's what gave me the town read on her.

 

 

This still makes me uneasy.  A ploy where you are scum and sacrificed a teammate to clear yourself 100% for the entire game seems like an easy way to win this thing.  I would have done it, so if Mish is to be believed and one of myself, Jack, or Wombat is the "scum mastermind", then wouldn't it stand to reason one of them would think of it?  I know Wombat would have....

[csarmi]

The night was exciting and full of scenes that will be posted at some point I'm sure. Cause Despo is so great at writing.

 

It is day 3.

 

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. You got ~100 hours (Despo will set a deadline that fits his sinister purposes).

[WWWwombat]

Interesting.  With the Angel numbers as they are, I think we should let fake Verbal fire tonight.

 

 

Vote: No Lynch

[Sedai]

Vote No wombat

 

A lynch is basically the same thing as letting verbal shoot except everyone has a say and it's more of an informed decision. You also give the witches more chance to figure out who to soup. I asked Des, witches don't get a coroner report on lynches but they do on night kills. And the soup mechanic is towns biggest adversary the later the game ticks.

[Verbal32]

Interesting.  With the Angel numbers as they are, I think we should let fake Verbal fire tonight.

 

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

What do you mean?

[Leelou]

Interesting.  With the Angel numbers as they are, I think we should let fake Verbal fire tonight.

 

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

I don't think I like it. 

[WWWwombat]

 

Lenlo: Due to everyone telling you everything about themselves even when they really shouldn't, you learn the role of whoever the witches should kill. This DOES not apply to WWWWWWombat's kills or Darthe's revenge kill.

 

[WWWwombat]

That says that the witches get roles of who they kill.  It specifically says they don't get roles from Wombat or Darthe kills.

 

 

 

Furthermore, as the Verbal kill would occur in twilight, labeling it a "nightkill" is spurious at best.

[WWWwombat]

@Mods: Please confirm or deny whether the Lenlo role would get results from players killed by the Verbal role.

[Sedai]

I never labeled it a nk

 

I also said a lynch doesn't give witches info.

 

But letting the game tick gives witches better chance to figure out the game. Since verbal isn't going to shoot himself and he stands odds of taking out a townie it narrows the field of who is possibly verbal and that gives the witches an option to soup

 

Witches also have an angel proof nk. So there's a possibility they holstered last night for some reason.

[Sedai]

Verbal role = a one man lynch. At this stage I think it's better to decide as a group.

[WWWwombat]

A group which is up to 20% scum.

[WWWwombat]

 

Interesting.  With the Angel numbers as they are, I think we should let fake Verbal fire tonight.

 

 

Vote: No Lynch

 

What do you mean?

 

 

There are 3 Angels.  One of them is a Witch.  We can't count on a protect tonight.  Although, I made this statement under a misinterpretation of the Verbal role, so it doesn't really apply any more.  Still a point worth considering though.

[WWWwombat]

Or did I?;)

[WWWwombat]

Consider this:  We won't get a coroner regardless of what we choose, so the info the town gains from lynching will not be much.  Verbal role is mod-confirmed town, so we know the person using it will have town interests in mind.  Also, voting no lynch has the same virtue that speedlynching Dawn did in that it gives scum very little to go on going forward.

[WWWwombat]

But letting the game tick gives witches better chance to figure out the game. Since verbal isn't going to shoot himself and he stands odds of taking out a townie it narrows the field of who is possibly verbal and that gives the witches an option to soup

 

Witches also have an angel proof nk. So there's a possibility they holstered last night for some reason.

 

 

How is it letting the game tick?  Either way someone dies today.  All the witches find out is if Verbal is alive, but seeing as Lenlo is the only person whose role we don't know, that's not really giving them much info if Verbal is indeed alive.

 

And witches can't use their angel proof NK without losing their Angel vote.  Which means they have a max of 2 of them and each time, they pay a big price.

[Verbal32]

Consider this:  We won't get a coroner regardless of what we choose, so the info the town gains from lynching will not be much.  Verbal role is mod-confirmed town, so we know the person using it will have town interests in mind.  Also, voting no lynch has the same virtue that speedlynching Dawn did in that it gives scum very little to go on going forward.

 

I hear you, but this puts the "daykill" in the hands of (potentially) somebody will bad reads this game.  An informed town lynch could be more accurate than a me-kill, heh.

[WWWwombat]

Rather, Lenlo is the only dead person whose role we aren't pretty sure of.

[WWWwombat]

 

Consider this:  We won't get a coroner regardless of what we choose, so the info the town gains from lynching will not be much.  Verbal role is mod-confirmed town, so we know the person using it will have town interests in mind.  Also, voting no lynch has the same virtue that speedlynching Dawn did in that it gives scum very little to go on going forward.

 

I hear you, but this puts the "daykill" in the hands of (potentially) somebody will bad reads this game.  An informed town lynch could be more accurate than a me-kill, heh.

 

 

It could also out town roles though.

[Leelou]

 

But letting the game tick gives witches better chance to figure out the game. Since verbal isn't going to shoot himself and he stands odds of taking out a townie it narrows the field of who is possibly verbal and that gives the witches an option to soup

 

Witches also have an angel proof nk. So there's a possibility they holstered last night for some reason.

 

 

How is it letting the game tick?  Either way someone dies today.  All the witches find out is if Verbal is alive, but seeing as Lenlo is the only person whose role we don't know, that's not really giving them much info if Verbal is indeed alive.

 

And witches can't use their angel proof NK without losing their Angel vote.  Which means they have a max of 2 of them and each time, they pay a big price.

 

 

You know which witch Dawn was? 

[WWWwombat]

Also, I don't think a lynch will be more accurate than a Verbal kill.

[WWWwombat]

 

 

But letting the game tick gives witches better chance to figure out the game. Since verbal isn't going to shoot himself and he stands odds of taking out a townie it narrows the field of who is possibly verbal and that gives the witches an option to soup

 

Witches also have an angel proof nk. So there's a possibility they holstered last night for some reason.

 

 

How is it letting the game tick?  Either way someone dies today.  All the witches find out is if Verbal is alive, but seeing as Lenlo is the only person whose role we don't know, that's not really giving them much info if Verbal is indeed alive.

 

And witches can't use their angel proof NK without losing their Angel vote.  Which means they have a max of 2 of them and each time, they pay a big price.

 

 

You know which witch Dawn was? 

 

 

I'm assuming she was Cloud or Hallia.  Probably Cloud.