[Basic] Can't We All Just Get Along? - a Mafia event by Despothera - Game Over

[Leelou]

Sorry, got distracted by snow. I'm going to try to sit down and get these in 1 to 2 posts. Should be done in just over an hour. 

[nervositee]

 

1. I haven't seen him adjusting his reads as he had X as his scum read for the majority of the game by now.

 

 

Wow, this shows you either haven't been paying attention or are trying very hard to make me look scum. Just wanted to say that straight off the bat since I skimmed through the new posts now. Be back to read everything else very soon >_<

[peacesells]

 

 

1. I haven't seen him adjusting his reads as he had X as his scum read for the majority of the game by now.

 

 

Wow, this shows you either haven't been paying attention or are trying very hard to make me look scum. Just wanted to say that straight off the bat since I skimmed through the new posts now. Be back to read everything else very soon >_<

 

 

There is a 3rd choice.  He's trying to find your alignment either way. 

[michellem]

Sorry to break game spirit, but;

 

I hate you all so much for all your long-ass posts with nested quotes within quotes that I have to try and fix now *cries dramatically*

 

Most of all I hate the DM quote limit *nudges Verb* Any chance of upping that?

[nervositee]

I will quote all the times I said that I didn’t find X scummy:

[...]

And yet after reading all these statements from me you chose to attack me by deliberately misreading what I said? That my friend is scummy.

 

Deliberately misreading? So, scum? You have been jumping back and forth here all game, then claiming he isn't scummy at all, but choses to keep your vote on him (since he is null, so it's as good as any). I also like that you have claimed that you didn't find X scummy so many times you felt the need to put them in spoiler-tags. The only thing that bothers me is that I can't figure out if you are buddying X, distancing or just fail to clearly explain your read on him.

 

 

 

 

I’m defending him for his first post because I didn’t find anything scummy about it. I didn’t choose him to be the train because I had a scum read on him; I did it because he is the least experienced player in this game and I wanted to see how he would react to pressure and then figure out if he is town or scum based on those reactions. His response to the train on him didn't seem scummy to be although I did get the feeling that his jokingly response seemed forced, but I can be easily mistaken in that as I haven’t played with him before and I don’t know him at all. I have him as a null read at the moment. I'm asking you all these questions because I'm interested in reading your answers.

So. Let me get this straight.

 

You voted X to see how he reacted to a vote

To decide if he was scum or not

 

And then he reacted

But you have no idea what to make of it because you haven't played with him before.

 

 

Pingpingpingpingpong.

 

When you quoted me you skimmed over the sentence where I said that the way he jokingly responded to the train on him seemed forced to me, and chained the previous sentence where I said I voted for him to see how he would react to the train on him with the sentence where I said that I can be easily mistaken about his jokingly tone because this is the first time I have played with him. It should have been clear what I said to everyone who actually had an interest to read what I had to say instead of only searching for a way to paint me as scum.

 

See, this is my problem with how you are reacting to pressure now. Instead of level-headed explain what you meant, you jump at your guns saying "omg, thats not what I meant. Ur scum!". You are being very over-defensive and jumpy when it comes to X.

 

That said, I did read the sentence. I even read the whole paragraph. Heck, I even gave you the benefit of the doubt. But you prod a player to see how he reacts with a vote. He then responds with fluff (or, jokingly as you put it) - and that throws you off your game, saying that "oh wait, THAT response I can't read because I don't have meta on him". It all just seems to vague. What did you expect? That he buckled over and wrote "BRB, gotta ask my mates in the QT?". Or that he would give detailed reads on every player?

 

 

Read more like scrambling than a genuine question. It's too leading, and you already gave the answer, so again - unsure why you are nagging to get an answer. You already know that's not what I meant. Unless there is another question I missed somewhere I haven't answered?

Yes, It was a genuine question and I was also biased in my opinion when I asked you that but does it matter? You said that you hoped X would have reacted more by for example making some sort of comments on the three of us. What sort of comments did you expect from him when there wasn’t any gameplay going on? What could he have responded with that he already didn't do for you to get a town read on him? You first say that I already gave the answer, and then you start defending yourself and accusing me of misinterpreting you on purpose by saying that I should have known that you didn’t mean it like that. So which one is it? You can’t have it both ways. And finally how am I supposed to know what you did or did not mean if you don’t write it down in a post? I can’t read your mind dude. You are accusing me of things you are clearly guilty of doing yourself which is hypocritical. You defended yourself in the exact same way in the Blood Moon game where you were mafia.

 

 

Tickle Vos

 

First, since you cut out the original question, let me add it to the context. You asked:

 

So you are saying that if he started throwing out accusations against us that were based on 7 pages of fluff he would have looked more townie to you? I find that difficult to believe.

Ok, so since you claimed this was a genuine questions, I'll give you a genuine answer, even though no - it's not a genuine question at all. Anyways, answer is: No, of course not. I never said accusations, I never pointed out any specific thing I wanted or expected him to do. It was an attempt to drag more people into gameplay. When he dodges that, to post more fluff, it pings. And it should for you too, even though you haven't gotten any meta on him(!).

 

The rest is just you being super-defensive and bulldozing with obvious questions.

 

And, really? You are going to meta me on one game where I replaced in as mafia? 

[Verbal32]

Sorry to break game spirit, but;

 

I hate you all so much for all your long-ass posts with nested quotes within quotes that I have to try and fix now *cries dramatically*

 

Most of all I hate the DM quote limit *nudges Verb* Any chance of upping that?

 

Prob not, but it can't hurt to put it in the bug board or something.  Jon is the tech man, and he'll be able to answer whether that is something simple or not.  I'm just here to look pretty.

[Pralaya]

Let's revisit this a bit. Your statements here aren't really factual and are mostly just contrived of buzzwords. I nudged at X? False. I told cloud we should wagon some people to force reactions and followed him onto the train.

If I get a nickel every time I hear that in a mafia game....you know the drill. No, more often than not, the reaction is given by the person who is claiming to force others.

 

 

I have been busy since and didn't ask him any questions personally. I also never tried to sway anyone onto his wagon. How is this nudging? Also, you're defining a lot of your reads by 'typical' play. What is typical about Lee's posts and how am I being opportunistic? That was an extremely vague statement. What's carefree about Mish's play? How does my vote on her look opportunistic when you later state my reasons are similar to Hallia's but you have a town read on her? Also, how am I setting up counter wagons when X has been the largest so far, which I have been on, until last night when I switched to Mish. Who am I counter wagoning for?

"Typical", also known as meta. Yeah, some people may not hold this but I have had quite a bit of success with it. Maybe my gameplay. I did tell you about Hallia's reasons and yours and it was based on meta. 

[michellem]

I had to edit out a whole bunch of nested quotes to get this to post, but you should all know how to find the original post by now, so... Go there if you don't remember the nested quotes.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to throw up.

 

Uh-oh, someone has a frownie face!

 

 

Tickle Cloud :wub:

 

 

Your tickles are infectious

 

 

 

 

Cloud started off as grumpy-face, then quickly turned it around and started buddying me... I know people were still joking only, but it stuck out to me now.

 

Page 7 and still no gameplay to have been found :P

 

Complains of no gameplay. Doesn't offer to start anything though; just mumbling to look good.

 

@Despo: Will the hugs at Night have any influence in helping either the town or the mafia achieve their wincon?

 

Oh look, helpful townie interested in learning as much as possible to help town. /sarcasm

 

Well, he has 3 posts. So it's very random. But hey, it's as good as any. Get the fluffball rolling.

untickle

Tickle Xthrax

 

 

I really don't like Vos' following on X's train... But it does tell me that it's pretty unlikely Cloud and Vos are teammates, and that's something.

 

Darthe why aren't you willing to vote for Xthrax?

 

X was at 3 votes, and Cloud wanted to push Darthe to place a fourth... Why? According to himself the train on X was to get the game started; you'd think three votes were enough for that... Pingy.

 

Are you seriously going to push for a happy ending? What makes you believe that the mafia team will withhold their NK's? I understand that there is a statistical advantage in doing that, but I have never heard of it being done before on DM and I don't think that anyone here would agree with it because it is a stupid way to "play" the game.

 

"Oh look, helpful townie".

 

 

Also, cloud is my top mafia pick atm, but not bothering with that.

 

I too wish you'd elaborate on this Darthe...

 

 

So for now:

 

Darthe - pushing some sort of unrealistic for DM scenario delaying the game or really thinking aloud about its mechanics? I am not supporting the No Lynch idea but what really makes impression is the fact this is not a Mafia game but a Mafia event. So there will be surprises. Nevrtheless, I still think the NA of everyone sending huggs is the difference, not everyone just posting No Lynch.

 

Cloud - sounds too desperate to understand why Darthe claims he was scum + sucking up to the Mod how no Lynch might hurt Despo's hard work and feelings. This pings to me

 

Leelou - nudging people to vote for Darthe

 

This is all I could gather among the fluff. Let's all hug and smile and try to dig some more game out of the cotton candy and the game will start.

 

Unvote AJ

 

Joke vote time is over.

 

 

So... you come up with some suspects, making a strong case to get the game started, unvote... Why did you choose not to put up a vote for one of the three you suspect?

 

 

 

I cannot put a vote when I have any reads on 3 people out of 12 fluffing around. You already have to know my style, I don't like to rush into conclusions Day 1. These were not the suspects list but the list of players I could read something in this game.

 

Vos, what are your observations so far of the people involved?

 

I still find this pingy too.

 

Especially her pushing Vos to give more observations. More on this after next quote.

 

 

 

 

I cannot put a vote when I have any reads on 3 people out of 12 fluffing around. You already have to know my style, I don't like to rush into conclusions Day 1. These were not the suspects list but the list of players I could read something in this game.

 

Vos, what are your observations so far of the people involved?

 

 

How do you expect him to know your style when you've played, what, 1 game together?

 

I've played 1 game with you and I don't know your style. Especially since you were a third party there. Self meta defense from slight pressure by only one player.... I think someone is ticklish!

 

 

Tickle Dora

 

Mish, this is our second game with Vos and besides, during our 1st game with him, this was a topic we discussed - that I don't like putting votes unless I have strong evidence. And if this is your evidence - me being a SK in a game months ago, go on. But that is not scum hunting, it is nothing at all.

 

I can put an OMGUS vote on you right away but I want to first try to find more clues. For me it doesn't make sense putting senseless votes.

 

Better help town by saying what do you think about the others.

 

 

First of all, for AJ and Hallia's sake; here's the reasons I actually voted Dora.

 

And her reply doesn't make me feel any better. And again she tries to turn the table on the person questioning her; first it was Vos, now me. Seems to me like she's jumpy and reacts poorly to pressure and is desperate to turn the attention over to someone else.

 

I just did a quick read through, I'll do ISO's and have better reads either tonight or tomorrow morning. 

 

1. Darthe - started the no lynch and brought up the happy ending scenario. Not really fond of this idea since I don't see the point in playing then. This is labeled as a basic game with one of 3 open set ups. Null to slight scum right now. 
2. Xthrax - has had some early pressure, mostly ignoring it until poked about it. Null
3. AJ - 7 posts, 3 votes. Trying to force the game to get serious with band wagoning. Null to slight scum read. 
4. Halliapoopoohead - Hallia, are you there? Null
5. Peace - seems to be on course for how he plays so far. Seeing town play right now. 
6. Theo - has given some reads, trying to move out of joke phase, leaning townish
7. Pray - 3 posts - memes and smileys. No game play. Null 
8. Cloud - I really would like to see what Darthe thinks is scummy play from Cloud. I'm not seeing it, leaning town on him. 
9. Mish - I still have a hard time reading Mish, she's one of the players I find scummy, however, her going after Theo for using meta is more null to town. 
10. Vos - don't think I've had the pleasure of playing with you yet, but seems to want to see an end to the fluff and game play. town to null
11. Verb - spammy <3 neutral until I see game play out of him

 

People I'd feel comfortable tickling: Darthe, AJ and to a lesser extent: X and Pral. 

 

I might move my vote after ISOing everyone, but right now this is where I stand. 

 

I like this post, and Leelou in general so far; the effort she is putting in gives me a solid town lead on her so far.

 

Well I would argue against there not being any reason to withhold your votes as town, but you are right for the most part and I like the rest of your post.
 

 

 

 

I didn’t see anything for him to react to other than point out how lame the train on him was, which he did. So you are saying that if he started throwing out accusations against us that were based on 7 pages of fluff he would have looked more townie to you? I find that difficult to believe.

I’m defending him for his first post because I didn’t find anything scummy about it. I didn’t choose him to be the train because I had a scum read on him; I did it because he is the least experienced player in this game and I wanted to see how he would react to pressure and then figure out if he is town or scum based on those reactions. His response to the train on him didn't seem scummy to be although I did get the feeling that his jokingly response seemed forced, but I can be easily mistaken in that as I haven’t played with him before and I don’t know him at all. I have him as a null read at the moment. I'm asking you all these questions because I'm interested in reading your answers.
 

 

 

Blue: Subtle buddying of me... Tsk, no likey.

 

His last paragraph is very interesting, especially the bolded part. It'll become relevant later...

 

Official Tickle Count:



Xthrax (4): Cloud, AJ, Vos, Peace
Darthe (2): Xthrax, Leelou
No Tickle (1): Darthe
Leelou (1): Hallia
Theo (1): Mish

Not tickling: (3) Pray, Verbal, Theo

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to tickle.

There IS a deadline now btw- link for that is here

 

So Cloud said he had a null read on X, but keeps his vote on him, making him stay the leading train for a very long time.

 

2. Cloud-You say that you read null on me and have defended my reactions. Why a vote on me still?

 

X questions Cloud about why his vote is still on him.

 

Mish's attack seems a little unprovoked here. Granted, iirc Theo is speaking of the 1 game her and Vos have played together in which she was scum. So using that meta as a defense for not placing a vote is a little sketchy IMO.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see Theo trying to FOS Vos. She just said that he should know her play style. The quotes are there to see so I'm not sure how you are coming to this conclusion. I also disagree with the second statement about how a townie shows their alignment by throwing their votes around. Too generalized for my tastes and it also comes across as an easy reason to FOS someone. 'Oh, you're holding your vote? You must be scum.'

 

Mish's attack on Theo came across as pretty unprovoked in defense of Vos. I also dislike her counter-reasoning to Theo's wish to hold her vote. It's too broad of a statement and isn't true by any means. To me it comes across as one of those things scum will say to have an excuse to vote someone. It's up the same alley as saying only scum set-up spec D1 or only scum vote without giving a reason, etc. I'm not really tracking on Theo's vote towards Peace because I don't see any contradictions from him but her early observations were good IMO. She seems to be pushing for more content which gives me a town lean.

 

Tickle Mish

 

First of all, the green: "pretty unprovoked". Tell me AJ; shouldn't I point out/post/vote when I see things that are sketchy? It might not have seemed important to you... It did to me, so I will point it out. Using words like "unprovoked" is just trying to make your case seem stronger than it is. Also, you use my reasoning for not holding votes as a reason to paint me scummy, and says it comes across as an excuse scum will use to vote someone. Well, 1; it wasn't why I voted her... And 2; you are doing the exact same thing, so by your words, you are scummy!

 

In general, your reason for voting me is weaksauce, especially since you buildt a stronger case on Leelou (although I don't agree with that case either) and then you end up voting your weaker case. Tsk.

 

 

I will quote all the times I said that I didn’t find X scummy:

 

Vos do you really have a scum read on X?

@Verbal: I never said that I found X scummy.

I’m defending him for his first post because I didn’t find anything scummy about it.

His response to the train on him didn't seem scummy

 

And yet after reading all these statements from me you chose to attack me by deliberately misreading what I said? That my friend is scummy.

 

 

 

 

 

When you quoted me you skimmed over the sentence where I said that the way he jokingly responded to the train on him seemed forced to me, and chained the previous sentence where I said I voted for him to see how he would react to the train on him with the sentence where I said that I can be easily mistaken about his jokingly tone because this is the first time I have played with him. It should have been clear what I said to everyone who actually had an interest to read what I had to say instead of only searching for a way to paint me as scum.
 

Yes, It was a genuine question and I was also biased in my opinion when I asked you that but does it matter? You said that you hoped X would have reacted more by for example making some sort of comments on the three of us. What sort of comments did you expect from him when there wasn’t any gameplay going on? What could he have responded with that he already didn't do for you to get a town read on him? You first say that I already gave the answer, and then you start defending yourself and accusing me of misinterpreting you on purpose by saying that I should have known that you didn’t mean it like that. So which one is it? You can’t have it both ways. And finally how am I supposed to know what you did or did not mean if you don’t write it down in a post? I can’t read your mind dude. You are accusing me of things you are clearly guilty of doing yourself which is hypocritical. You defended yourself in the exact same way in the Blood Moon game where you were mafia.

 

 

Tickle Vos

 

 

First off: Cloud again hammers in the fact that he doesn't think, or has ever thought, X is scummy (but he still kept his vote on him up until this point). And then he turns around and places a vote on Vos, a vote he has been building up to quite a while.

 

 

See X also understood what I said regarding Peace and I haven't heard about anyone else besides you and Vos accusing me of attacking X in that way.

 

And to answer your question: Does it matter where I choose to place my vote if I don't have a clear scum read yet? I had a null read on you so it was a good place as any. You weren't going to get lynched anytime soon because of the train that was building up on you.

 

 

And here he finally answers X... And says X wasn't going to get lynched anytime soon. How did he now? He could have woken up to find X lynched during the night and and then it'd be partially his responsibility for keeping a vote on X without even thinking him mafia. He could only know that... If he knew parts of the mafia were already on the lynch and no townies had shown alot of interest in the train. Ping.

 

Ok I'm caught up again. I basically WTL either Vos or X at this point of the game. Darthe might also be a good scum candidate depending on his answer to my question. 

 

 

 

 

And now he's willing to lynch X... But he said he doesn't find X scummy, and does nothing to explain why he's willing to lynch him now.

 

 

@Verbal:

 

1. I haven't seen him adjusting his reads as he had X as his scum read for the majority of the game by now.

2. You do have a good point here though.

 

@Peace:

 

It's pretty simple actually. I didn't find anything scummy about X's response to the train on him, but his later cases did ping to me.

 

And NOW suddenly X is pinging him, even though he had a post very recently where he said X was a null read and that he didn't find him scummy.

 

Pingpingping.

 

Jackpot.

 

 

Tickle Cloud

 

 

Mafia team; AJ, Cloud, Dora.

[Leelou]

Sorry, a neighbor asked me to help dig them out. Back now. 

 

AJ: 

 

Again, he was jumpy in the beginning with joke votes. Then what looks like some slight buddying with Cloud and the X train. 

 

I pulled out extra bits, because too many quotes: 

 

 

 

2. With AJ it's more the early jumping around with votes for not much of a reason and then he let Cloud pick the wagon choice and then followed onto it. It gives a sort of a slight buddying feel. I have him as a null to scum. 

 

Okay, I can kind of follow on what you are saying here about me. I don't see how my vote hopping was suspicious when I think most of them were clearly facetious, especially when at the time most of the game thread comprised of spam. The reason I mentioning bandwagoning with Cloud is because at the time he seemed invested in moving the game forward, which gave me a town lean, and really the only one at the time.

 

Single digits still? 

 

Andrej 7 Hallia 5 Pralaya 3

 

Not a huge fan of this. Half of your posts are spam which pad your post count so I don't like how you are bringing this up as if it proves something.

 

 

 

I'm not a fan of Leelou thus far. Her reads list don't really add up in my mind and I'm not following her scum leans or her list at the end where she states who she could vote for. I don't find Darthe pushing the happy-ending thing scummy. I also don't get how she would be fine voting X or Pral as null reads over her others. Mish's attack on Theo came across as pretty unprovoked in defense of Vos. I also dislike her counter-reasoning to Theo's wish to hold her vote. It's too broad of a statement and isn't true by any means. To me it comes across as one of those things scum will say to have an excuse to vote someone. It's up the same alley as saying only scum set-up spec D1 or only scum vote without giving a reason, etc. I'm not really tracking on Theo's vote towards Peace because I don't see any contradictions from him but her early observations were good IMO. She seems to be pushing for more content which gives me a town lean.

 

Tickle Mish

 

I've already responded to part of this. I did mention that it was a quick set of reads when I posted and I was going to go more in depth later. I'm still liking my read on you. I don't feel Mish's post was over the top, if anything it felt more like a townie Mish than a scum Mish. Now I have been fooled by her in the past, but right now I'm leaning more town on her. Theo was using meta as a defense. I do agree, I don't see any contradictions from Peace. 

 

Hallia: 

 

She hasn't really posted much game related. And she misinterpreted Mish's vote. 

 

 

 

 

I cannot put a vote when I have any reads on 3 people out of 12 fluffing around. You already have to know my style, I don't like to rush into conclusions Day 1. These were not the suspects list but the list of players I could read something in this game.

Vos, what are your observations so far of the people involved?

 

 

How do you expect him to know your style when you've played, what, 1 game together?

I've played 1 game with you and I don't know your style. Especially since you were a third party there. Self meta defense from slight pressure by only one player.... I think someone is ticklish!

 

Tickle Dora

 

 

As I'm catching up, this was the main thing to stick out to me.

 

It didn't seem like Theo's post had anything to do with expecting her to know anyone's playstyle, and didn't see a meta defense here.

I think Theo's town right now, she really was the first to throw down some hard reads and try to kickstart the game.

That and I like tickling my fellow Greens, teheeee!

 

 

Untickle Leelou

Tickle Mish 

 

Theo was using meta as a defense. 

 

Peace: 

 

Peace seems to be on his town game so far. I did not see the contradictions Theo has been pushing. 

 

New post coming because I don't want to get frustrated with quote limits. 

[michellem]

Full list of reads:

 

X - newbie town, I haven't seen anything from him that pings; he's answered the pressure he's gotten well.

AJ - leaning mafia, already explained.

Verb - null to town, always hard to read D1, but his game-posts have been good.

Leelou - strong town read

Hallia - null to slight mafia, her vote on me was bad, and I find it hard to believe she didn't find anything else to comment on when she was catching up.

Peace - null, hasn't done anything to give me vibes either way yet

Cloud - mafiamcmafia.

Vos - Null, he's had some posts that's slightly pinged me, but I don't see him and Cloud being on a team.

Dora - Mafia, Tried to push attention over on others when getting pressure, and then going quiet.

Darthe - Null, had his "cloud is scum"-post without explanation, want to see more posts plz.

Pral - null to slight town lean, I want to see more posts, but his lists of reads seemed consistent.

[Leelou]

Theo: 

 

First to move out of the joke phase, and I was getting a good feeling for her. Now after going back and reading all of her posts, I've move her from townish to null/ slight scum. She's had a few posts that make me feel that way. Her use of meta as a defense (quoted a few times over now), a joke to X about buddying (below) and now pushing on Peace and trying to show a contradiction that isn't there (below). 

 

 

 

Well my reads are-

 

1. Darthe-Going for a no tickle. Says that happy endings could be possible in this set up. Says that mafia will do it in this set up as it's a victory for them. Not much of a read on him, but I would say he's kinda 50-50 currently.
2. Xthrax
3. AJ-First one to actually mainly jump start this game by agreeing with Cloud to start wagoning people to force reactions. Proceeds to follow Cloud after his vote on me. He's trying to get reactions, but after my 2 current posts-no response. Says, he spreading the pressure, but still going after 1 player. Kinda suspicious but not much
4. Hallia-Not really much to go on.
5. Peace-Peace seems suspicious. Hasn't posted any reason for voting for me, seems to parroting the rest. Feels scummy

 

Will give the rest later-gonna sleep currently.

 

Don't miss me, or they would say I buddy you

 

 

 

Peace, the reason you give is so bogus in my eyes and you needed to be asked, so you post it.

 

AJ, Peace does contradict himself:

 

#3148179 [basic] Can't We All Just Get Along? - a Mafia event by Despothera - Day 1

 Posted by peacesells on 02 February 2014 - 01:21 AM in DM Mafia Games

someone pm me when the game starts please.

#3148836 [basic] Can't We All Just Get Along? - a Mafia event by Despothera - Day 1

 Posted by peacesells on 02 February 2014 - 09:28 PM in DM Mafia Games

I'm all for happy endings.  Come tickle me.

 

 

And more fluff but you all could check the posts.

 

 

Pral:

 

First 3 posts: Fluff. Since he's shown up, getting more of a town vibe from his reads. 

[Leelou]

Saving Cloud for later, just due to post count. 

 

Mish: 

 

She is putting in effort so far and I've been liking and agreeing with most of her points. Her last few posts I'm getting a strong townie feel from. 

 

Vos: 

 

Ready to get the game started. He was asking lots of questions and putting out reads on cloud and X. He's starting to tunnel on commenting about only Cloud and X. I'd like to see other reads from him. I was leaning town, but now null. 

 

Verbal: 

 

His game related posts have been decent. He'll have to post more game related content for me to get a feel from him. 

[_CLOUD]

 

1. I haven't seen him adjusting his reads as he had X as his scum read for the majority of the game by now.

Wow, this shows you either haven't been paying attention or are trying very hard to make me look scum. Just wanted to say that straight off the bat since I skimmed through the new posts now. Be back to read everything else very soon >_<

 

So which one is it? You don’t seem to be sure if I’m either town or scum at this point judging by your reaction in this post. You claim that I haven’t been paying attention and yet you don’t disprove what I said in this post. Isn’t it true that you had a scum read on X for the majority of the game so far if we leave out the first 7 pages of the game where everyone was joking around?

 

Deliberately misreading? So, scum? You have been jumping back and forth here all game, then claiming he isn't scummy at all, but choses to keep your vote on him (since he is null, so it's as good as any). I also like that you have claimed that you didn't find X scummy so many times you felt the need to put them in spoiler-tags. The only thing that bothers me is that I can't figure out if you are buddying X, distancing or just fail to clearly explain your read on him.

Yes, deliberately misreading what someone is saying and attacking them because of it is a clear scum move. I haven’t been jumping back and forth on X during the entire game. I explained that I had a null read on him until not so long ago and that his response to his train wasn’t scummy. And now we arrive to the actual problem that I have with your stance regarding me in this game. You know that I have said a lot of times that I didn’t find X scummy, and yet you chose to go after me anyway by taking a sentence out of its context.

 

See, this is my problem with how you are reacting to pressure now. Instead of level-headed explain what you meant, you jump at your guns saying "omg, thats not what I meant. Ur scum!". You are being very over-defensive and jumpy when it comes to X.

I did explain what I meant and if it somehow wasn’t clear to you I will gladly do so again. I am levelheaded in my analysis of you; me having a scum read on you doesn’t make me irrational. You have resolved to the use of hyperbole and throwing buzzwords at me in the hope that they will stick. I have defended X because of one post he made that you happened to disagree with.

 

That said, I did read the sentence. I even read the whole paragraph. Heck, I even gave you the benefit of the doubt. But you prod a player to see how he reacts with a vote. He then responds with fluff (or, jokingly as you put it) - and that throws you off your game, saying that "oh wait, THAT response I can't read because I don't have meta on him". It all just seems to vague. What did you expect? That he buckled over and wrote "BRB, gotta ask my mates in the QT?". Or that he would give detailed reads on every player?

You say that you read my post but you again prove yourself to be wrong in your analysis of it. I never said that the content of his post was fluff or a joke which resulted in me feeling unsure about my read on him. I said that his jokingly tone seemed forced to me, but I didn’t find what he said in his post to be scummy. I don’t know him so it’s obviously difficult for me to tell when he is actually joking or when he is faking it, and even then it wouldn’t necessarily be indicative of his alignment. I shouldn’t have brought that point up in the first place but for some reason I did and now you keep attacking me for it. I have repeated my stance on the matter almost a dozen times already and I know that you aren’t obtuse so that leaves one logical explanation which is that you are deliberately misinterpreting me over and over in the hope that you can get my lynched.

 

Ok, so since you claimed this was a genuine questions, I'll give you a genuine answer, even though no - it's not a genuine question at all. Anyways, answer is: No, of course not. I never said accusations, I never pointed out any specific thing I wanted or expected him to do.

Yes, you did point out specific things that he could have done which would have given you a town read on him. You said that you hoped X would have reacted more by for example making some sort of comments on the three of us. I then asked you what kind of response you expected from him when his train was built without any reason because of the lack of gameplay. You have failed to provide an example for your original statement which shows that he would have looked scummy to you despite whatever he said in that situation.

 

It was an attempt to drag more people into gameplay. When he dodges that, to post more fluff, it pings. And it should for you too, even though you haven't gotten any meta on him(!).

He didn’t dodge it and neither was his response fluff. Here is his response:

 

Well all is not fluffy as it seems. There be hidden designs here And well I don't see any reason for tickling me now. *hopes this new fad of tickling me stops before I start laughing*

He mentioned that there could be a hidden motivation behind the train on his which is a logical assessment, but he doesn’t start pointing fingers at any of us because he knows there hasn’t been any gameplay going on. He then comments in a jokingly way that we better stop tickling him before he starts laughing, which translates as him saying that the train on him isn’t based on anything and that we have no valid reason to push for his lynch.

Again, the fact that I don’t have a meta read on him only bothered me because I couldn’t tell if he was genuinely joking or not. In retrospect I never should have said that because it was a loose thought anyway.

 

The rest is just you being super-defensive and bulldozing with obvious questions.

The rest of my post was filled with reasons why I suspect that you are mafia. You are doing a good job with derogating it though.

 

And, really? You are going to meta me on one game where I replaced in as mafia?

You are defending yourself in the exact same way I have seen you do in the Blood Moon game. It’s a valid meta read and it shouldn’t matter that it’s only based on one game we played in together. The fact that you were a replacement also doesn’t prove that I’m wrong about my read on you.

[nervositee]

I'll try and respond more properly, and also expanding my view a bit (suggest you do the same so we don't ruin the game for everyone here), but I just wanted to reply to this glaring question:

 

So which one is it? You don’t seem to be sure if I’m either town or scum at this point judging by your reaction in this post. You claim that I haven’t been paying attention and yet you don’t disprove what I said in this post. Isn’t it true that you had a scum read on X for the majority of the game so far if we leave out the first 7 pages of the game where everyone was joking around?

 

 

I thought you'd read between the lines that I disproved. But ok, yes I disprove. I even iso'd myself to see where you got that idea. I still have no idea. I never pegged X as scum. The strongest word I've used was suspicious. You're building an air-castle, methinks.

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Cloud started off as grumpy-face, then quickly turned it around and started buddying me... I know people were still joking only, but it stuck out to me now.

This is weak reasoning. You know that I was just having some fun.

 

Complains of no gameplay. Doesn't offer to start anything though; just mumbling to look good.

More weak reasoning. My observation was spot on, and I was one of the first to actually attempt to start this game up. You are saying that I just said that to look good, but can you prove that this is true? No, of course you can’t because it’s the same thing as calling someone a helpful townie which you do in the next few examples:

 

Oh look, helpful townie interested in learning as much as possible to help town. /sarcasm

You should discard the idea of a helpful townie being a scumtell because it isn’t and even if you by any chance happen to be right about someone only acting like a helpful townie to gain town cred you can’t even prove it. It is a baseless accusation that anyone can throw at someone and it remains a loss-loss situation for me

Anyway, to get back to the point I thought my question was actually pretty good and even Despo commented on it saying that he was waiting for someone to ask it.

 

really don't like Vos' following on X's train... But it does tell me that it's pretty unlikely Cloud and Vos are teammates, and that's something.

You are right that Vos and me can’t be scum-scum the same way Vos and X can’t be scum-scum. Your reasoning for FoSing Vos however isn’t pro-town as you blame him for trying to start the game up, while just before you were accusing me of not attempting to do this when I complained about all the fluff that was going on.

 

 

 

 

 

 

X was at 3 votes, and Cloud wanted to push Darthe to place a fourth... Why? According to himself the train on X was to get the game started; you'd think three votes were enough for that... Pingy.

What reason did Darthe have to withhold his vote from X at the point if they weren’t teammates? The answer is none. That is why I asked Darthe why he isn’t voting for X, and instead of doing so he started pushing for a happy ending. And it is debatable if 3 votes on a player would be enough to force people to start posting game related thoughts. I didn’t plan to speedlynch him and I knew that he was safe from being lynched by the mafia if he was town.

 

"Oh look, helpful townie".

It’s funny how you are now accusing me of being a helpful townie when you noticed that I have gotten some pressure and yet you were more than happy back then to parrot my reasoning for why going for a no lynch is against the spirit of the game.

 

I too wish you'd elaborate on this Darthe...

“Oh look, I will post the same remark a dozen people before did already. That should help the town out!”

 

Blue: Subtle buddying of me... Tsk, no likey.

Wow so now you are accusing me of buddying you because I said that I liked your post which is a pure gameplay statement and not an indication that I was trying to get in your good graces whatsoever? With that logic you are now buddying up to Leelou for saying that you liked her post. Your entire case on me ridiculous and you made it obvious that you are mafia by writing it.

 

So Cloud said he had a null read on X, but keeps his vote on him, making him stay the leading train for a very long time.

Please do tell me how you expected X to be lynched based on absolutely nothing.

 

 

And here he finally answers X... And says X wasn't going to get lynched anytime soon. How did he now? He could have woken up to find X lynched during the night and and then it'd be partially his responsibility for keeping a vote on X without even thinking him mafia. He could only know that... If he knew parts of the mafia were already on the lynch and no townies had shown alot of interest in the train. Ping.

Lol. See my answer to your previous accusation ^

 

And now he's willing to lynch X... But he said he doesn't find X scummy, and does nothing to explain why he's willing to lynch him now.

 

 

anyone wanna explain X?

In my opinion, he's asking a million questions to practically anybody that mentions his name. I see this mostly as a scum smokescreen to distract. How he follows up will reveal much about his intentions.

 

I agree. He is also posting a ton of information but hardly any analysis to accompany his reads. He also seems to be parotting me about Vos which I don't feel comfortable with.

 

The next time you are mafia and are trying to get me lynched at least put in the effort to read all my posts.

 

Mafia team; AJ, Cloud, Dora.

You kept saying how you had no read on people and now all of a sudden you feel so sure about yourself that you pegged the entire mafia team? I’m not buying it.

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Untickle Vos, Tickle Mish

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I'll try and respond more properly, and also expanding my view a bit (suggest you do the same so we don't ruin the game for everyone here), but I just wanted to reply to this glaring question:

 

So which one is it? You don’t seem to be sure if I’m either town or scum at this point judging by your reaction in this post. You claim that I haven’t been paying attention and yet you don’t disprove what I said in this post. Isn’t it true that you had a scum read on X for the majority of the game so far if we leave out the first 7 pages of the game where everyone was joking around?

 

 

I thought you'd read between the lines that I disproved. But ok, yes I disprove. I even iso'd myself to see where you got that idea. I still have no idea. I never pegged X as scum. The strongest word I've used was suspicious. You're building an air-castle, methinks.

 

Yes, I did read between the lines that you found my scummy. I however wanted you to say it as you came across as torn on me in that post which was obviously staged. You are now argueing semantics. It's clear that you found him scummy because you have only been attacking him since the start of the game, and it doesn't matter if you outright called him so or only suspicious.

 

Anyway, this is it for me because I now have to finish an assignment for school which I need to hand in tomorrow. I won't be around before the deadline anymore. I would advise all of you to vote for either Mish or Vos at this point of the game.

[michellem]

It's called a reread, Cloud dear. It puts things into perspective. I said I'd give reads when I had them, and I did.

 

And apparantly I hit too close to home, because that whole post reeked of desperation.

 

 

[Verbal32]

Saving Cloud for later, just due to post count. 

 

Mish: 

 

She is putting in effort so far and I've been liking and agreeing with most of her points. Her last few posts I'm getting a strong townie feel from. 

 

Vos: 

 

Ready to get the game started. He was asking lots of questions and putting out reads on cloud and X. He's starting to tunnel on commenting about only Cloud and X. I'd like to see other reads from him. I was leaning town, but now null. 

 

Verbal: 

 

His game related posts have been decent. He'll have to post more game related content for me to get a feel from him. 

 

Awww riiiiiiight.

[Leelou]

Well, now my head hurts. Cloud is always a bit hard for me to read. I keep going back and forth on him. I think mainly because his reads feel like they are ping ponging some. Also, his tickles after his X tickle feel a bit OMGUSy. First with Vos, who has been tunneling some on Cloud, and now Mish, who put together a good case on him. 

 

Okay, updated list of who I would be comfortable tickling: Darthe, Theo, AJ and Cloud. For the time being I'm staying on Darthe because I would like to actually hear from him. I'm willing to change my tickle to any of the others I've listed. I'm going to go for a bit, but I'll be back before deadline. 

[Leelou]

 

 

Verbal: 

 

His game related posts have been decent. He'll have to post more game related content for me to get a feel from him. 

 

Awww riiiiiiight.

 

 

hi honey. 

[Verbal32]

How YOU doin'?

[Leelou]

Fine. How bout you, hot stuff? 

[peacesells]

Is this X's first game?

 

Anyway  UNTICKLE X

 

TICKLE CLOUD

 

Can someone explain to me what "derogating" means?

[Verbal32]

Fine. How bout you, hot stuff?