[Advanced] Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy Mafia (Day 6 - Town Wins)

[Andrej]

Lol well it is what it is Des.

 

I thought you were scum and I went for you.

 

If you hadn't claimed Cop my mind wouldn't have changed. Nothing I brought against you was untrue.

[hazelkrs1]

Tina, Rag are both town. Pray and Leelou most likely are because of the end of D1. Obv I am.

 

That leaves Lenlo, Darthe, Salami, Peace, Mish, and AJ.

 

I think the best cases can be made about Darthe and AJ being scum. Salami seems a bit off to me as well, voted Verb yesterday but tried scolding Mish about hammering Verb too quick. Peace has been lying low imo. Lenlo would make a good last minute option for today's lynch, considering he's as inactive as he is. However this won't give us nearly as much info, and could possibly be handled by the mod anyways, so I don't like this option that much. Mish I got a faint scumdar ping on, but AJ trying to say she's town makes me even more wary.

[hazelkrs1]

Lol well it is what it is Des.

 

I thought you were scum and I went for you.

 

If you hadn't claimed Cop my mind wouldn't have changed. Nothing I brought against you was untrue.

 

See and that's just more of the same scumminess I see from you. You're CONSTANTLY repeating that you haven't lied, that everything you've said was true, etc. Guilty conscience much?

 

Actually, moar like GUILTY CONSCIENCE MUCH? Cause it's that obvious, dude. Gonna iso you first actually, and if it's enough to convince me I'm moving my vote to you.

[TheRagnarok]

Csarmi has given me bad juju for some reason.  I am gonna read through him tomorrow and make a case. 

 

Still a townie lean on Andrej.  I'll reconsider Darthe.

[Andrej]

Case on bro.

 

I'm flipping Town.

[Andrej]

And no, I don't have a guilty conscience.

 

I thought you were scum and I brought evidence forward to show my way of thinking.

 

I'm not gonna defend myself on the subject though. Like I just said, if you hadn't claimed Cop I'd still be trying to watch you swing.

 

So we've got Des, Tina and Rag for conf-Town. I agree on Pral and I stand by what I said about Mish. Wary about Leelou because of how she handled the lynch with Verb and her voting pattern on D1. The way she unvoted me when my wagon was building but continued to say how she didn't like my play was pretty scummy IMO.

 

She's been tunneling on CS pretty hard though, and talked about lynching Tina as well today.

 

I think we should start there.

 

##vote Leelou

[hazelkrs1]

And btw AJ, your case on me WAS crap. It mostly consisted of you saying I was saying a lot of words, without really commenting on any of them (and btw I post wot's in every game I'm in, regardless of alignment. You've played with me enough times to know this is true), and trying to paint me as scum cause I defended Cloud early day 1. Thing is, everyone that knows me knows I DON'T defend teammates, I bus to my heart's content. Either way, YOU would know it'd be a pretty stupid move for me to defend a teammate so obviously day 1, and YOU know I'm not a stupid player. But, you had to try your hardest to make SOME kind of convincing case on me, whereas you could have just said you didn't trust me because I pushed Verbal's lynch so hard.

 

You overexplained, which is a common scumtell. You're scum, bro.

[hazelkrs1]

And no, I don't have a guilty conscience.

 

I thought you were scum and I brought evidence forward to show my way of thinking.

 

I'm not gonna defend myself on the subject though. Like I just said, if you hadn't claimed Cop I'd still be trying to watch you swing.

 

So we've got Des, Tina and Rag for conf-Town. I agree on Pral and I stand by what I said about Mish. Wary about Leelou because of how she handled the lynch with Verb and her voting pattern on D1. The way she unvoted me when my wagon was building but continued to say how she didn't like my play was pretty scummy IMO.

 

She's been tunneling on CS pretty hard though, and talked about lynching Tina as well today.

 

I think we should start there.

 

##vote Leelou

 

 

Sigh. You REALLY aren't making things better for yourself, you know.

 

Leelou is town BECAUSE of the end of D1. She could have easily voted Verb if she was scum and prob gotten him lynched, but didn't. And didn't hammer even tho she would have known that that would make her stand out a ton if she was scum.

[Andrej]

Lol nah.

[Andrej]

She pulled the same stunt with my lynch. She voted Verb off and on D1 but stayed away from hammering to avoid being on a Townie lynch. Same way she unvoted me and then later got back on when others started to vote again.

 

I'm gonna go back and pull some quotes.

[Andrej]

And btw AJ, your case on me WAS crap. It mostly consisted of you saying I was saying a lot of words, without really commenting on any of them (and btw I post wot's in every game I'm in, regardless of alignment. You've played with me enough times to know this is true), and trying to paint me as scum cause I defended Cloud early day 1. Thing is, everyone that knows me knows I DON'T defend teammates, I bus to my heart's content. Either way, YOU would know it'd be a pretty stupid move for me to defend a teammate so obviously day 1, and YOU know I'm not a stupid player. But, you had to try your hardest to make SOME kind of convincing case on me, whereas you could have just said you didn't trust me because I pushed Verbal's lynch so hard.

 

You overexplained, which is a common scumtell. You're scum, bro.

 

The whole point of me saying you use a lot of words was exactly that. I know that you post a ton regardless of alignment.

 

You're seriously wasting your time with me here, but if you're going to be stubborn then do your thing. I'll take a lynch just to get you to stfu so maybe you can focus elsewhere.

[hazelkrs1]

 

I think we have played in enough games together for you to know that I tend to be fairly aggressive at the start of a game. This is also one of the reasons why I get lynched so often on Day 1 :P I went into detail why I thought that AJ is scum, but now you make it look as if I just sheeped my vote onto his train without giving any kind of explanation for why I think so.

 

Don't like Cloud parroting what I said about his early play here almost exactly. Less of a town read on him now than I did before.

 

FYI this is when I first started going back on my town read of Cloud. You asked for this earlier AJ, just remembered.

 

Pretty much every other time I mention him after this tho, it wasn't in a positive light. Him parroting what I said in his defense was what gave my first warning signs with him.

[TheRagnarok]

Csarmi, I think you are next on my list tomorrow...just so you know. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

And btw AJ, your case on me WAS crap. It mostly consisted of you saying I was saying a lot of words, without really commenting on any of them (and btw I post wot's in every game I'm in, regardless of alignment. You've played with me enough times to know this is true), and trying to paint me as scum cause I defended Cloud early day 1. Thing is, everyone that knows me knows I DON'T defend teammates, I bus to my heart's content. Either way, YOU would know it'd be a pretty stupid move for me to defend a teammate so obviously day 1, and YOU know I'm not a stupid player. But, you had to try your hardest to make SOME kind of convincing case on me, whereas you could have just said you didn't trust me because I pushed Verbal's lynch so hard.

 

You overexplained, which is a common scumtell. You're scum, bro.

 

The whole point of me saying you use a lot of words was exactly that. I know that you post a ton regardless of alignment.

 

You're seriously wasting your time with me here, but if you're going to be stubborn then do your thing. I'll take a lynch just to get you to stfu so maybe you can focus elsewhere.

 

 

 

I'm not even going to iso you at this point. Your defensive tone and bs martyr play, as well as the AtE, are all more than enough to make me switch my vote.

 

##Unvote, Vote AJ

 

Pretty much ANY time someone offers themselves up for a lynch in a whiny manner, you lynch em. Plain and simple. Give the baby what it wants.

[Andrej]

[hazelkrs1]

Iso on Lenlo (went ahead and did him first, since he'd be easiest):

 

 

 

##vote Womby

 

Easy to find you said, right?

 

spam

 

Ive always wanted to beat a champion. Do I get a nice golden belt when the game is over?

 

What Darthe started trippin over (he thought it was an admission of being on a separate team)

 

*shrug*

 

 

I dont know what team your on but you seemingly admitting it is makin me feel better.

 

weak defense, but it is Lenlo...

 

So on the off chance I flip VT, do we get to take that point away?

 

On the "off" chance? Obviously he'd try to say this was more of him being a smartass, eh not so sure bout that tho.

 

So whats more likely, me pulling a Rand, something ive never done before as scum, or me being a smart ass?

 

He overuses this defense several times, that he was just being a smartass

 

All hes had to say is that im scum cause im a smart ass and that hes the champion.

 

Like here

 

Bah hit post to soon. I wanted to add to that.

 

You thinking hes town with this little to go on and his posts is just silly.

 

FOS for that.

 

Fos's Dap. Interesting, cause I think this is the ONE time he actually fos's someone or does anything remotely resembling scumhunting throughout the entire game.

 

 

I caight a blatant scumslip and it isn't being capitalized on. Do you guys think its too early to scumhunt or have you just not sallied up? I can explain ehat went down if need be.

So blatant that the person you supposedly caught is a VT.

 

Youre making lightof darthe len. I tend to believe you less and him more cos of it

I make light of everything and everyone and you know that.

 

 

Blech.

 

Reiterating I want that point back when I flip town.

 

Want me to explain? Fine. 

 

Why I said it: I was being a smart ass. Its what I enjoy doing in the beginning of a game. Its what I always do.

 

Discredit: Never. Your good, but your reaching here. Someone would have to be either pretty new or pretty bone headed to make a slip like that 3 pages in if they were scum. Im trying to explain to you using logic that knowing me I dont do that.

 

Heat and Full claim: Because not claiming VT right off the bat with this would have been so much better. Either way you woulda found a reason to think this is scummy.

 

More of the "smart as" defense. Bleurgh.

 

#funtimes?

 

Im not sure what were doing I just wanna fit in.

 

spam

 

Im pretty sure votes have to be hashtagged, bolded and red.

 

Mistaken, and trying to be "helpful townie"

 

You and your weird yells.

 

So im not sure how I feel about your sudden jump from me to AJ. Wasnt I definitely scum? After all its Darthe 1 Mafia 0 right?

 

I GUESS you could count this as his second scumhunting post. If you're feeling charitable mebbe.

 

I will await you at my window, please dont let father catch you.

 

spam

 

Rag, please. Angry? Me? Never,

 

^His response to a few wot's from Rag. Only thing he responds to is the thing about him being angry. Just a poor, poor excuse for a post here.

 

 

I'm drowning in a WoT

 

 

spam

 

Nothing, cause drinks are silly.

 

spam

 

D:

 

spam

 

If it makes it any worse im also Irish/Scottish. I have absolutely no reason to not like drinks. I blame my father for telling me to sip firewater the first time I ever tried it. Put me off it since.

 

spam

 

D:

 

spam

 

Truly shocking. It still doesnt change how bad it tastes though.

spam

 

 

 

 

Yeahhhhh... his last 7 posts in the game have been spam. There have been *maybe* TWO actual scumhunting posts from him all game. And after his back and forth with Darthe earlier in the game and subsequently dropping off the radar, he has essentially dropped off the planet.

 

I'd be completely fine with lynching him, only his teammates would just bus the hell out of him if he was scum anyways, and he wouldn't be a very informative lynch. More importantly however, Wombat might be nice and modkill him for us, considering he hasn't posted in the game in OVER A WEEK.

[Andrej]

 

 

 

Serious vote on Tina btw.

 

Serious vote in what way?

 

That I would lynch you sorta serious.

 

 

Don't like it. 

 

##unvote, vote AJ

 

 

Leelou's first vote on me.

 

 

#yoloswag

##unvote, vote #myannoyingbondedforposingyolo

 

 

Seriously though, don't like AJ's play.

 

Then this sweet little vote switch while also nudging at me. This came right after Cloud came in with his D1 case on me, adding another vote.

 

 

 

Y'all be imitatin'.

 

Cloud is still scum. Going for town cred.

 

'C'mon gaiz, I'm tryin' to play teh mafia!'

 

Follow me and watch my hashtagswag work it's magic.

 

#yoloswag

 

So you are saying that I'm going for town cred by actually playing the game? Brilliant.

 

 

Face it, Cloud. You are scum every day 1 no matter what. 

 

#cloudisalwaysscum

 

 

Hm.

 

 

The vote is still useless. Do you think that Verb is scum? Otherwise jumping off my wagon to vote him after saying that you think I am scum is very pointless and looks like you're trying to distance from my lynch. Doing so out of a policy because he said a dumb word is poor reasoning.

 

Pointing out the vote switch.

 

 

Theory: AJ is scum. Some of his scum mates (Darthe? He was most vocal.) run him up just to get him to claim vanilla. Of course most people unvote because it´s early in Day 1. The problem is that when you get run up like this and manage to avoid a lynch then you are usually safe for days to come. Thoughts? Too farfetched? 

 

I'm still seeing him as scummy. Can we lynch him? 

 

##unvote, vote AJ

 

 

Switches back to me after it becomes apparent that other players might be willing as well.

 

Stop pushing my buttons. *is now ignoring my pain in the ass* 

 

##unvote, vote Darthe. Too much buddying coming from you and not enough of your normal oddness. 

 

Switches to Darthe next.

 

Can we lynch Pral? He came in, dropped a vote on me and disappeared. 

 

Keeps the vote on Darthe but starts to nudge at Pral now for being inactive. Pral is Town IMO.

 

 

Note to self:  spamming too much in the early game makes you misrep certain details that while not having a bearing on the overall point, will get folks to question it.

 

I blame Leelou.

 

I blame you. If we are lynching Verb, I want to hammer him. 

 

 

No, Verbal was only at 7, lynch Darthe? 

 

Took 8 to lynch. Here she clearly states that Verb was at L-1. Still nudging at a potential Darthe lynch.

 

I still would have hammered you to secure a lynch. 

 

Uh huh.

 

 

So why didn't you vote Verbal afterall?

 

I said I was going to hammer him. I was trying to figure out how many votes he had then Cloud unvoted before I got a chance vote. 

 

 

Strange seeing as how a few posts before you stated that Verb was at L-1.

 

 

 

 

So why didn't you vote Verbal afterall?

 

I said I was going to hammer him. I was trying to figure out how many votes he had then Cloud unvoted before I got a chance vote.

 

Yea right. Pac much?

 

 

I actually follow through. 

 

 

Lol yeah.

 

I need to go back through all the day, but if it was day right now I could go for Tina or salami.

 

Mentions Tina again along with Salami. 

 

Adding Mish to my list of people I could vote. 

 

Adding Mish? Already made my stance known on her.

 

I'll reread the thread this afternoon, but wow Des is a bucket full of either mistakes or contradictions there. Still not trusting Tina in the least. She sat on AJ Day 1 then started a push in on Verbal, pushed on him during the night and I want to double check if she did any hunting outside of just pushing Verbal's lynch Day 2. Still liking Salami for scum. I'll be back this afternoon with a vote after I get a chance to read everything and jot down some notes. 

 

Rags - care to clarify your role for us? Good shot, btw. 

 

Comments on Des here then pushes on Tina. Asks for some clarifications on Rag's role.

 

We should lynch Tina or Salami. 

 

Tina was tunneled on AJ and then turned to Verbal. She is asking a lot of the other players what they think but she really isn't putting to many of her own thoughts out there except that Verbal had to be lynched. 

 

##vote Tina

 

Votes Tina today, who we know now as conf-Town. Continues to mention CS could be scum but votes elsewhere. Csarmi is probably a good bet for scum and Leelou is doing some distancing here like she has been all game.

[Andrej]

Btw, that's only like 16 or so quotes that I found worth commenting on by Leelou.

 

Out of her 78. Tons of spam from her, not a whole lot of scum hunting.

[hazelkrs1]

Okay so I'm lazy, so not gonna actually quote all of CS's stuff, he posted a lot more than I realized.

 

Lazy summary of his play (iso him yourself if you don't trust me):

 

1.Complaining about not having i-net at work so can't get handle on game (does this several times through most of D1)

2. Nudges a LOT of people at various times without pressuring many directly

3. DOES confront Verb a bit on his claim- granted, Verb DID misplay his claim very badly

4. Spams a bit

 

And, that's about it. I def don't feel any better about him after going through his posts. He normally contributes MUCH more to actual scumhunting. Obv he'll say he hasn't because of his inet, and obviously we don't necessarily have to trust him about that either. He often lies about rl stuff in mafia, I've noticed.

[hazelkrs1]

Also, ##Unvote.

 

See now THAT'S what you should be doing to convince me you're town AJ. In the future, please don't pull that bs martyr crap. Just actually show me you're willing to scumhunt and get some reads out.

 

Also, you def made me reconsider Leelou somewhat. Still, I think there are much better options for a lynch TODAY.

[hazelkrs1]

Do me a favor AJ, and iso Darthe and tell me why you think he's town.

 

Imma iso Peace now. If AJ's case on Darthe's towniness doesn't satisfy most of my senses, I'll iso him after.

[hazelkrs1]

Starting audit now actually. Will bbl

[Andrej]

And btw AJ, your case on me WAS crap. It mostly consisted of you saying I was saying a lot of words, without really commenting on any of them (and btw I post wot's in every game I'm in, regardless of alignment. You've played with me enough times to know this is true), and trying to paint me as scum cause I defended Cloud early day 1. Thing is, everyone that knows me knows I DON'T defend teammates, I bus to my heart's content. Either way, YOU would know it'd be a pretty stupid move for me to defend a teammate so obviously day 1, and YOU know I'm not a stupid player. But, you had to try your hardest to make SOME kind of convincing case on me, whereas you could have just said you didn't trust me because I pushed Verbal's lynch so hard.

 

You overexplained, which is a common scumtell. You're scum, bro.

 

I see what you're getting at here. We can talk about this more after the game if you want.

[Andrej]

 

 

Been itchin' to do this since I signed up. 

 

vote Darthe##

 

Leelou opens with RVS on Darthe. Not reading too much there, but got Leelou currently as a scum read so meh.

 

AJ is town

 

Darthe drops his first Town read.

 

##vote Despo

 

CS opens with voting Des, who we know is our Cop now. More to follow on this later.

 

Lol time to do some research kiddos.

Gettin a good feeling about Krak.

 

Comments on Krak, who has flipped Town.

 

 

Lol time to do some research kiddos.

Gettin a good feeling about Krak.

 

The same way you have a town read on AJ after one post?

 

 

Cloud attacks Darthe here, conf-scum.

 

I caight a blatant scumslip and it isn't being capitalized on. Do you guys think its too early to scumhunt or have you just not sallied up? I can explain ehat went down if need be.

 

This was in regards to his thing with Len. Sorta emo.

 

AJ is def trying to be me.

I am happy to be back Des. You should be happy to see me. Also, to the shock of many I proclaim Des to be town. She got a good role PM this time.

 

Declares Des as Town, once again accurate.

 

 

As much as I enjoy seeing Verb act like his daughter will in 10 years, I can do without being twatted.


##andrej.

 

I do not think that means what you think it means.

 

Csarmi = Scum

 

Agreed ##votesalami

 

 

Agrees with Peace here and moves his vote to CS.

 

Lets get a cla I'm out of this.

## unvote vote aj

 

I forgot you're a father and military! Its a bit late for Veterans day wishes but I appreciate your service dude.

Also, fair enough. ##unvote

 

This has already been covered by Des as Darthe setting me up to claim to derail my train. Not bad analysis, but not the case in regards to my alignment. As far as his vote to get me to claim and unvote afterwards, I can only assume that he liked my defense.

 

[Andrej]

 

 

Stop pushing my buttons. *is now ignoring my pain in the ass* 

 

##unvote, vote Darthe. Too much buddying coming from you and not enough of your normal oddness. 

 

Leelou switches to Darthe again. Dead Horse: Leelou is a scum read, I've got Darthe for Town.

 

Hey all.

##unvote Despo

cause I don't have a clue why I voted him and when. So what's going on around here?

 

CS checks in again and states he doesn't remember why he voted Des. Seems like an odd thing to say, over justification IMO.

 

 

Hey Rag who am I supposed to lynch today? I need help.

 

You. 

 

Dead horse.

 

Cool. I like Dap too.

What is that now? AJ; Dap, Des, Krak for town, Len (less so since the claim) and potentially Leelou for mafia? Feels like a good list to me.

 

Dap was Town, so was Krak. Des is the Cop and I am Town. Pegs Len for scum (possible, Des already hit on this though, I'd rather just let him get MK'd, and also Leelou. I agree.

 

Shit DL has snuck up on us.

Claim: 1x RB.

 

His RB claim.

 

He should have. This last page is going to be telling late game. A lot of posturing here that I don't quite get the meaning of yet.

 

This feels like a Townie post to me.

 

A) Didn't want to take a shot in the dark
B) Because I wasn't interested in taking a speedlynch to the face
C) I sense, intuitively or logically, that those people match the alignments that I suspect them of having.
D) You're aggressive phrasing suggest that you're pressing from answers and yet already anticipate dissatisfaction with what they will be. I assume therefore that A through C probably didn't float your boat. Also, goading is good. Keep this up.

 

Explains to Tina why he wasn't voting Verb and how he comes about his reads. Pretty typical of Darthe to state reads in the manner he does. Kind of goes a little overboard with the psych-major stuff though.

 

It would be a stupid fake claim. Risks getting ccd by a full town RB if one existed, is less credible than claiming a full one and isn't thay great a town PR.

 

Defends his claim. I agree with him on this point. Both claims (him and Verb's) were argued as good fake-claims, and we know that Verb wasn't lying about his.

 

Imo I am good for Cloud, Leelou or Tina.  Also, Lenlo dropped off the face of the planet when i stopped bullying.  Not a good look for him at all.  Slip or no slip my spidey senses tingle when someone on my radar definitively attempts to back down from the Darthe.

 

Got Cloud right. I agree with Leelou and idc about Lenlo. If he doesn't want to participate then he can get MK'd for all I care.

 

Cloud=Des=Leelou=???

 

Again. Stays consistent with his scum read on Cloud and Leelou.

 

Nice. Confirmed SK.

##Rag 

Guess where my power went N1?

 

Comes after Rag for claiming the Cloud death. Later he explains that he used his action to block Rag N1. I can see his POV for how he would be suspect of Rag when he was no longer blocked N2 and a second NK happened. Again, consistency.

 

Confirmed LLL.  I caught him as mafia in that game for submitting an action.  Can provide photo proof if needed (imo outside the spirit of the game to have to rely on something so far outside of it but if Rag goes there I will).  That + action + flip of a vig already = definite SK.

 

Ooh, in addition he attempts to use the fact that he shot mafia (and a godfather in fact) as evidence for being town.  That doesn't hold water because an SK would not know the alignment of other players.  And I will heartily disagree that we should keep an SK alive if one is found.  

 

What he says about a SK is true in regards to Rag taking cred for killing the GF.

 

@AJ - #4: you know who has most of their reads correct, right?

 

CS comments on my post where I stated I have a Town read on Darthe because most of his reads have turned out to be accurate. Leaning scum on CS here, so it looks like he's trying to discredit Darthe by suggesting that only Mafia would know true alignments.

 

Nobody is listening for crap this game. Fine, you all can die for it. I found one and you're just going to ignore ot because he says he has some claim that he refuses to reveal. When has that ever been an acceptable town play to this group?

 

More emo. Kind of used to seeing this from Darthe when Town doesn't agree with him.

 

1x PR that is already in the open?

 

To Tina when she asks why he used his power N1. I agree with what he says. He was already known, so it was best to use the 1x ability in order to possibly screw with the scum team's NAs in the event he was NKd.

 

How would that make me a liar even if it was true?

 

Again, consistent with his pressure on Rag. Like I stated earlier, his posturing here seems genuine because he had information that we did not.