Greek Mythology: Man Vs. Gods [Advanced] - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!

[berf]

@PRAYA I ask this, what have YOU bought to the table this game?

 

I've been busy wading in and trying to rustle some feathers, and shake some mafia and whatnot out. I think I did ok in whatever part I played in getting Desp and Mish lynched.

 

What are your thoughts RE: The Remaining Few? I'll make it easy for you, copy paste and fill in the blanks:

 

 

 

WOMBAT

 

TINA

 

BERF

 

PRAYA

 

DAP

 

KRAK

 

And Also CLOUD, DICE, THORUM if you want to be really indulgent. I can understand if you need to be brief though.

[dapianoplay3r]

Just got back from work

 

Continuing with my read now. From the last page and a half it doesn't look like I am desperately needed right at this second so I'm gunna be ignoring new posts till I get to them pretty much

[_CLOUD]

Im thinking I will out my lover cause if i dont im dead anyway cause you all will lynch him anyways.

 

Cloud

 

Well that took you long enough

 

 

Vote Pral

[Thorum]

Cloud, do you deny being mafia?

[_CLOUD]

Cloud, do you deny being mafia?

 

Nope. I'm indeed mafia.

[Pralaya]

My Bolds:

 

1) Brings up his berf 'case' with Dice for no real clear reason. Let the case do the talking? Why do you have to point your case out to people? "Don't you see..."

Since you have answered YES to what I said, I will not go and hunt specific posts. Instead I will address your "reasons" directly

 

2)

a) Yep, I wanted either you or Thorum dead to resolve the Vig, who I already didn't really trust, but didn't want to risk when something might have been up with YOU. Rather than blindly follow preconceived ideas, I judge what is the best move for town and then act accordingly. Why are you trying to paint that as 'inconsistency?" Anyway.

Lynching is not always the solution to resolve any situation and definitely not the best move for town. Even as a new mafia player I know that. Lynching is what mafia suggests so that the town follows through it and not give the chance to clarify what actually happened. This case is especially where you could have lynched me and Thorum and you still could not have gotten any info but as mafia you would have got two day kills in your favor.

 

b) Yes I changed to wanting to shoot Mish because Mish was revealed as NOT TOWN. You'll recall I had many, many different plans of how it could work out.

Again, NOT TOWN is not mafia. And, asking the vig to shoot someone is never going to work. I don't see the point of posting that unless you want to lead the town and keep the focus on Mish

 

c) IF was 'selling' the idea that Mish was mafia, well... Why would I do that if I was mafia, when I would have known she wasn't? The info was coming out, so any WIFOM would die as she did... Doesn't make sense to me.

To keep the focus on mish and lead the Mish lynch. You would know that she was not mafia and why not keep the town on her back?

 

d) I went off on CS? How did I "Go Off?" I recall talking with him during the phase, and not agreeing with much that he said. He was advocating a cloud lynch and at the time I disagreed. And I don't think I ever really claimed a read on Cloud bar, as I'll state AGAIN for the record, a town vibe but with a very strange day 1 twist.

I posted quotes where you never had the "strange Day 1" vibes view on Cloud. During the end of day 2, you started getting "Day 1 vibes".

 

My main suspicion was based around the time you jumped the gun when Thorum first mentioned and started speaking on behalf of Thorum. Why would you do that unless you wanted that topic to be at the forefront? (http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/84403-greek-mythology-man-vs-gods-advanced-night-2-the-death-of-a-hero-and-an-innocent-goddess/?view=findpost&p=3026071)

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Unofficial But Awesome Vote Count

 

 

(1) Cloud - Thorum

 (1) Krak - Berf

 

 Not Voting (9) - Dice, Wombat, Darthe, Cloud, Tina, Praya, Krak, Dap, Peace

 

 - With 11 playing, it takes 6 to Lynch.

 

This is amazing. Happy I didn't miss this as I usually read posts from email.

 

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Official But Not As Awesome Vote Count

 

Krak (1/6) - Berf

 

Pral (3/6) - Thorum, Dice, Cloud

 

Berf (1/6) - Pral
 
Not Voting (6/11) - Wombat, Darthe, Tina, Krak, Dap, Peace
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.

[Thorum]

Mafia votes Pralaya. Do we take that into account? I don't know him well enough if that's most likely a dare, or try-to-withdraw-just-before-deadline, or because he really wants Pralaya lynched... Which seems most Cloud-like to y'all? Or do we simply ignore it ?

 

Anyway, I don't like the way Pralaya has half the required votes with both the lovers on board... unvote, vote Krak

 

Pralaya, I would have posted like berf has on all the points you quoted. Not good enough, and it's not like he hasn't posted enough .

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Official But Not As Awesome Vote Count

 

Krak (2/6) - Berf, Thorum

 

Pral (2/6) - Dice, Cloud

 

Berf (1/6) - Pral
 
Not Voting (6/11) - Wombat, Darthe, Tina, Krak, Dap, Peace
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.

[dapianoplay3r]

Dice is oracle, shit got real

 

Cloud is the lover from recent stuff I just read, ill look to see if he changes reads post dice reveal at all.

 

On that, he was going at Basel who seemed to do the "given up" thing. Being the lover from the mafia I would of assumed cloud to be the one to be sacrificed, therefore I don't think Basel is likely mafia.

 

Cloud suggests the speed lynch on Berf. A little off but only cos I know cloud is mafia now. Hmm

I wonder if he back tracks a bunch after the reveal. Can't wait to see the QT

Ok so he unvotes Berf before the oracle reveal

 

I really think the mafia should of taken out cloud/dice early. Letting an oracle live is a dangerous game, especially since they knew he knew cloud was mafia.

 

I do get the lingering feeling that Berf is working on a team. His points all seem to just slightly over lap cloud and des. He kind of nudges the Basel angle but takes an opposite stance to cloud on the oracle stuff. Just seems a little too neat. Like perfectly different

 

"If it isn't Desp/Thorum/Basel I'm going to eat my shoe."

Things like this from Berf. He seems to be drawing triangles whilst working in them. It's all very patterny

 

I thought ithi was dead and town, but I checked the OP and she's just swapped with peace. She'd make a nice balance to the triangle but I don't think she would of let cloud live. Hmm

 

Oh god. Csarmi with naming issues again

 

Wombat seems to be getting on the des and cloud hate early.

The way he highlights that clouds plan could be used to find a doc is worth noting though. Seems like if he was mafia staying quiet would of been a better option.

 

Oh nope. Wombat starts to sway on cloud. Misguided town now

Starting to feel much more deliberate

 

Wombat using she for the lovers pronoun is very odd. Why just decide something like that? They works too. It is very deliberately stating "I don't know who the lover is" in a semi subtle way

FOS

 

Des atleast moves to get cloud taken out to verify himself. I wonder why he never got the mafia to lynch him or NK him

 

So des got a Vig, and doc claim. Great.

Glad to see people keeping their cools

 

God you guys cut D1 fine

 

Ok I'm up to page 38 and need to sleep

Official Vote Count

Despo (9/9): Basel, Berf, Darthe, Csarmi, Ithi, Thorum, Cloud, Dice, Mish

Ithi (1/9): Wombat

Basel (2/9): Song, Despo,

Berf (1/9): Krak,

Not Voting: Praya, Hallia, Tina,That's a lynch! Scene coming up!

Nw assuming my colours are correct. Berf really stands out. cloud was on earlier but moved to thorum a few times so in the final count is near the end, however I don't think the mafia would of been counting him as someone they wanted to gain town cred if they knew he was outed. Therefore Berf looks like the perfect spot to get town cred. Mishs late hammer gives her cred cos we know des was lurking and holding out for a random, therefore if mish was mafia she would of stayed away. Ithis in a pretty neutral place and forum is pretty confirmed I believe.

So yea Berf stands out to me at this point

[dapianoplay3r]

Also I am of the view they you almost completely ignore cloud at the point.

He will be doing stuff just to confuse people and only has WIFOM left to live for

[berf]

Because this WoT is becoming large...

 

@PRAYA

 

 

 

"Since you have answered YES to what I said, I will not go and hunt specific posts. Instead I will address your "reasons" directly"

 

I answered YES to the fact that I wanted either you or Thorum dead. And had a viable alternative to killing either of you (such as oh, killing Mish) turned up, I would have taken it. Which I did.

 

You didn't answer me on my question as thus: Why did you need to point Thorum toward your case? Just an interesting little appeal there I noticed.

 

 

 

 

"Lynching is not always the solution to resolve any situation and definitely not the best move for town. Even as a new mafia player I know that. Lynching is what mafia suggests so that the town follows through it and not give the chance to clarify what actually happened. This case is especially where you could have lynched me and Thorum and you still could not have gotten any info but as mafia you would have got two day kills in your favor."

 

Of course lynching is not always the solution. You'll remember I had thought about the Cop getting involved, and I asked Dice to ask some questions. I wanted info, and I was looking at all ways of getting that info locked down. I suggested more options that just lynching my friend. But that isn't convenient to mention for you, is it?

 

I've been all for giving people time to get chatty before lynching them all game. So try again with that angle, too. 

 

Also, it takes more than just me to get a lynch happening. If the idea of lynching you or Thorum was so outlandish, more than you would have called me on it by now.

 

 

"Again, NOT TOWN is not mafia. And, asking the vig to shoot someone is never going to work. I don't see the point of posting that unless you want to lead the town and keep the focus on Mish"

 

NOT TOWN = NOT TOWN = WIFOM = GENERALLY not good for town. I didn't think the role warranted life, and evidently 7-8odd people agreed with me enough to Lynch.

 

And the focus was firmly on Mish as it was - She claimed a third party role, nothing I do could point that out any harder. I posted the sentiment that we should SLOW DOWN her lynch and look at other options as we still had time left in the day. The direct opposite of what you are claiming above.

 

 

 

 

(in response to:BERF:c) IF was 'selling' the idea that Mish was mafia, well... Why would I do that if I was mafia, when I would have known she wasn't? The info was coming out, so any WIFOM would die as she did...)

 

"To keep the focus on mish and lead the Mish lynch. You would know that she was not mafia and why not keep the town on her back?"

 

See above. This didn't happen. "Keeping the focus on Mish" - kinda hard not to have that attention naturally as a 3rd party/Not Town role.

 

 

 

 

"I posted quotes where you never had the "strange Day 1" vibes view on Cloud. During the end of day 2, you started getting "Day 1 vibes".

My main suspicion was based around the time you jumped the gun when Thorum first mentioned and started speaking on behalf of Thorum. Why would you do that unless you wanted that topic to be at the forefront? "

 

You posted quotes that detail the complete lack of other posts? Interesting. Day 1 I largely ignored cloud as Desp and Basel had my radar. Only during day 2 did I read up on him, and I'm not repeating this again.

 

As to the linked post - I was trying to make sure any info we got wasn't tainted by derptown putting easy escapes in place. Too many times somebody trundles along and lets something slip that allows someone an easy claim out of a sticky situation. 

 

I was suggesting that Thorum had revealed all he had to say at that point - otherwise he would have surely said more, yes? I was heading off any stalling claims, trying to prevent running back to the QT and concocting some sort of getup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Thorum]

What are usual lover win-conditions? Have they won if all other mafia are dead, or only if they have the majority? Can someone check?

 

 

Dap, you have both a mafia-point on berf (location in the Desp-train), and a town one (pushing for Desp speedlynch). +1 -1 = 0. Unfortunately :(

[WWWwombat]

"They" is not a singular pronoun, so no, it wouldn't work.

 

Vote: Cloud

 

He's confirmed mafia. We kill confirmed mafia.

 

Also, csarmi is terrible at cop. I don't blame Thorum for offing him.

[berf]

And Agreed with DAP RE: That anything cloud does is just full of conjecture and WIFOM - Ignore at all costs.

 

Vote on Praya I see as intention to pull the rug out from under the carpet should it get to that. All we should do is watch for his vote and be prepared to compensate. This means we may not have as much time as needed.

 

 

 

 

 

@MOD - Is the Krak situation in hand?

[berf]

@WOMBAT: Would it not be prudent to Lynch the Oracle to take out cloud, when the time comes?

 

Because imagine the WIFOM if we lynch Cloud and Dice doesn't die?  I don't want to even potentially go there.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Official But Not As Awesome Vote Count

 

Krak (2/6) - Berf, Thorum

 

Pral (2/6) - Dice, Cloud

 

Berf (1/6) - Pral

 

Cloud (1/6) - Wombat
 
Not Voting (5/11) - Darthe, Tina, Krak, Dap, Peace
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

@MOD - Is the Krak situation in hand?

 

Trying to find a replacement.

[Thorum]

Wow, Wombat. Easy. Why do you want to get rid of the most useful town we have left? Also, see Berf's response.

[berf]

@DAP - Furthermore, I guess I agree with Thorum. If you wanna take me out for picking two non-townies early in the peice, so be it - I guess that's bad luck on me.

 

But if you didn't like Day 1 Berf, you really won't like Day 2's "Non-stance on Cloud until I finish my reread" Berf . Also the 40 something pages it consists of, come to think of it. Did you spot the awkward foreshadowing?

[Thorum]

I revoted Krak? That was not my intention.

 

As per my previous post: unvote, vote Wombat.

[dapianoplay3r]

Night guys

 

Ps

The mafia will probably have to kill cloud or dice soon cos of the threat he poses. Why do their job for them

[Thorum]

unvote, vote wombat

 

*Grumbles*

[ReleaseTheEvil]

Official But Not As Awesome Vote Count

 

Krak (1/6) - Berf,

 

Pral (2/6) - Dice, Cloud

 

Berf (1/6) - Pral

 

Cloud (1/6) - Wombat

 

Wombat (1/6) - Thorum
 
Not Voting (5/11) - Darthe, Tina, Krak, Dap, Peace
 
With 11 alive, it takes 6 to Lynch.