The Hunger Games Mafia [Advanced] Game over! Town and TG wins!

[peacesells]

all twenty four should be tributes.... and maybe alliances refers to voting blocks the way that scene you quote has it... the lynching party...

 

so the game makers more likely a game mechanic but other unaffiliated anti town roles must be there. in a balanced game, what does that do to the expected scum to town to third party ratios?

 

this is a weakness for me.

 

and I've no more effective thinking tonight.

 

I can see 1 or more vigs or solo win players in the game.  I agree, the game makers are the game mechanics.  They problem introduce negative things and I'm betting there is a mechanic simulating the citizens that buy items that help players too.

[peacesells]

That Darthe post on Tina was scary good. 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

That Darthe post on Tina was scary good.

 

you mean the dap post on Tina or I miss something?

[peacesells]

 

That Darthe post on Tina was scary good.

you mean the dap post on Tina or I miss something?

 

 

Yes..Dap.  Sorry.

[dapianoplay3r]

So I did warn that I'd be out of town the first two weekends which is why I've been a bit spotty this game and the other one I'm in. My activity will pick up when I get back home at the beginning of next week. That aside, I'll respond to Kaylee's epicly bad case on me in which she claims I thought Darthe was scum, then town, and just weird misrepresentations like that.

throwing in words like "epically bad" doesn't make it come true

In short, I've had a town read on Darthe since the beginning. However, some people (like Dap) have taken their town reads to extremes and said they think CS and Darthe are vetted. I disagree. There is a difference between a town read, a scum read, and calling someone vetted. While I have a town read on Darthe, I'm not going to consider Darthe and CS vetted because it could be a mafia ploy. but you think Darthe is town? Town can't pull mafia ploys. Also I believe Csarmi, hence both are vetted

 

Cindy - Hallia is just as good as anyone on that list.

really? I seemd far more scummy from your POV reading your list. Worried i won't be an easy enough target to save TG. Well hally won't be as easy as you are hoping I expect

 

Seeing as I voted her yesterday, I'm alright with vote hallia.

 

Please write more than this. What do you think about the game? Why do you vote Hallia? Your reason from yesterday has been questioned. Why haven´t you answered people that are suspicious of you?

Then asking more from GF , I get that part actually

 

Sort of, but not really.

 

 

But if you feel others are scum more strongly, it seems funny that you just picked me, but stranger than that is Graendal's vote. That's really your only reason? Seem sheepish to me.

 

Oh, look who shows up as soon as she gets some votes. look who is trying desperately to save TG!

 

 

 

 

And now for the longer quoted response. Dap-style my responses are in blue.

 

 

 

Mini WoT incoming (It's split up as DM won't let me put it all into one. Side note, comments on the quotes are directly below each quote with the exclusion of the first two).

 

 

Here he starts going after Player (Dap). dap will post in green. Ill try not to post too much cos it will be hard to read and I recon my point is pretty well made already

The bold: Are you indicating you know which RTE was doing? There is a difference, yes, but only scum and those that know who the scum are know which the person is.

The underlined: As was pointed out, they may not have noticed without it being brought up (several times).

The purple: likes the play if Darthe is town.

 

Bold: What are you talking about with RTE? I was discussing Daps reasoning behind his vote. Not RTE. I have no idea about RTE.

I wasn't voting.

Underline: Good. Mafia should notice. Bring it up. Bring it up more. The more WIFOM and uncertainty mafia has to deal with the better. stop being obtuse. The point of claiming vanilla was to have no WIFOM so he wouldn't be targeted at all (if he were a PR) now that it was mentioned that this could be a reason the WIFOM is back and he is once again a NK possibility

Purple: Yes, town read on Darthe. This does not mean I consider him vetted. There is a difference.

if you believe Csarmi then Darthe is vetted

 

 

Underlined: over-explains removing a joke vote.

 

Underlined: I didn't explain my removing a joke vote so pretending I did is a misrepresentation. I explained that I was going to vote Dap and probably would not have time to change my vote before deadline so it would be my final vote for D1. I didn't want people to rely on me to change my vote to achieve a lynch when I would be gone.

looks like you didn't want to be left with a vote on cindy who was your joke vote

 

The above seems like he's believing Csarmi and directing him.

 

I was testing CS to see his reaction. With a claim like what he made I wanted to poke at him from a different direction and see how he reacted. Him claiming his role and then not using it to best help town would be scummy IMO.

funny how you didn't think you were directing him and neither did Tina. Yet everyone else did

 

 

This one made me think: Why still insist on it being close to deadline after someone points out the flaw? Hoping it wouldn't be done in time and therefore help to discredit it?

 

No, the goal is for CS to best help town. The best way is to not give mafia a chance to respond to his NA. Therefore, the best way is to do it closest to deadline. Nothing to do with discrediting.

 

CS seemed to indicate that if mafia NK'd the same person he was hiding with then he would die. His death would be pointless to town without the proper information. Also, it would be best if he could not die N1 (if he is town) by not giving away everything he does to mafia in the thread. The more people he can vet as town (if he is) the better chance we have of winning.

 

I'm still a little confused about CS's power because I feel like he is a little confused about it.

if you are confused about it don't try explain how he can best use it cos you don't even understand it

 

Ok, now it could be a gambit. What happened to liking the strategy? You seemed to believe the claim enough to want to direct it. (Seems to be switching gears).

 

I understand your confusion here. I didn't like the strategy before but rather Darthe's play. If you interpreted it that way then this comment would seem to be switching gears.

most people seem to if though of it that way

 

Further pushed the suspicion of the claim.

 

Not pushing suspicion, but I don't want someone to be "vetted town" when IMO they aren't really vetted. I remember my very first mafia game here where everyone thought Peace was vetted town because of a similar "reveal" he had made. He was actually scum. It's okay to have a town lean on CS, but I disagree that he is vetted.

if you believe Csarmi then you have to believe that Darthe is town too. I also want to point out that you want to lynch Csarmi after a few days to check his claim, that's like lynching the cop to see if they are really the cop. It's idiotic

 

Bold: They claimed roles? CSarmi claimed hider, but Darthe claimed vanilla (as I had pointed out to him ealier). Vanilla means no role. this is kinda a weird thing. Some people consider vanillas to have no roles, others consider a vanilla a role just not having a power. Can't really be mad at him for this part

Underlined and Bold: Suddenly you have a town read on Darthe? Just a few posts ago they could have been on a scum team and pulling a gambit. Which is it? Why believe Darthe but not CS? (Think I asked that already but haven't seen an answer).

 

Bold: Vanilla is a role to me. Symantecs if you consider vanilla to not be a role. IMO there is a reason you say "power role" and not just role. Because it means instead of your role being vanilla your role has a power. Role either way.

Underlined and bold: I think I've answered this. You misunderstood what I was referencing.

actually you kinda haven't. I get what you are saying with Darthes play, but if you think Darthe is town then Csarmi can't be pulling a gambit with him

So either they are both town or Csarmi is acting alone (if we assume Darthe is town like you said)

But you said "No, it could be a gambit that you two are pulling as scum"

That implies both are mafia

Then his recent post (at the top) talks about how we should "handle" the hider/CS.

 

I still stand by how I think we need to handle the CS situation. Gives town the best chance IMO.

No it cuts Csarmi out of a number more NAs and possible confirmations of towns people

He will hide with mafia eventually and that's when he will be confirmed

 

Just to be clear, I mean "Darthe's play" about how he potentially forced mafia WIFOM with his reveal. Whether or not CS and Darthe are town, if they are then CS could safely hide behind Darthe because Darthe might be protected by doc and scum couldn't take the chance to NK. The entire strategy really hinges on Darthe's play IMO, not CS's. If CS is town then he has doubly vetted Darthe.

 

Yet it's Csarmi who is a LLL and pulling a gambit with Darthe?

Plus Csarmi being town doesn't vet anyone I thought you said

[dapianoplay3r]

Ug too soon

Last little bit

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

hmmmm... thought most of it went without saying, more interested in bg2 popping in to support her on that silly business with ishy's "welcome" vote on via. have to reread and see if there's more of that.

 

but yeah except for the thing he's poking at me with and a few details... I'm really not a detail thinker, these line by line commentaries are more what I'd do with Talmud than scum posts but.... lol, kinda thought that one was either a given or... um... I can't think of a nice way to say it so I won't.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

Ug too soon

Last little bit

I'm sleepy, can you move to the proper side of the world so this is in normal earth time for me?

[dapianoplay3r]

Yes, Hallia, you have been here a lot this day. And yet I have no idea who you are suspicious of. Here are your posts:

 

 

Vote GF

 

 

Random vote?

 

Asks Cloud if it´s a random vote.

 

am loving the scenes by the way Mish! :)

 

 

*nodnod* They're most interesting, I agree! And by the looks of it today's going to be a quiet day at the office so I can catch up!

 

Likes Mish´s scenes and will catch up.

 

*help

 

that is...

 

 

Mentor!

 

Well....

 

Clever mafia distancing ploy? Hrmmmm. I have a hard time trusting dap ever since the Indiana Jones game.

 

Don´t trust Player since another game.

 

RTE is definitely playing with a different style. I've even tussled with him because it looks very scummy. I've even gone back over all of his posts. I'm changing my mind on my initial thoughts...he's playing an aggressive style without fear. That's not a very good scum tactic. So, I don't think he is scum.

 

He is exaggerating a lot, provoking people and making misrepresentations all over the place. His form of beating the brush looking for snakes maybe?

 

I don't think much of it has been terrible productive though. Maybe later in the some of these interactions will bare fruit.

 

 

So if he's not mafia, would that lead one to believe he's maybe a more active PR, like a vigilante or something?

 

Why would you ask this?

 

I think he voted after the hammer, not realizing it' been reached.

 

About Vambram´s missing vote.

 

 

 

 

^kiteh, now taking stalking to a whole new level :P

 

you have no idea...

should i be scared?

Very

We should be scared. Right.

 

 

What do you think, Hallia. Who are you suspicous of. I only see someone who comments here and there to look active.

 

Tina is desperately trying to make Hally the better lynch candidate and completely ignoring the TG case.

Come on guys. You have a fairly big team, just let this one go

 

EBWOP:

Alright all, I'll be gone until Monday earliest. Meaning I'll miss the deadline. vote Cloud

 

My D1 case hasn't changed on Dap. But between him, Cloud, and RTE and Kaylee I'm voting Cloud for the day.

You mean that I didn't get why painting a target on Darthe was a good idea?

Great case

 

Cloud's exclamation of how great Kay's case was and jumping on without voting struck me as scummy. Hence, my vote. Okay, really leaving now!

 

Woulda been too obvious to jump on hally with Tina wouldn't it

[dapianoplay3r]

In summary

Tina, RTE, and TG are working together. They are mafia and should be lynched

 

I will vote any of them but I'll vote TG now so the other two can respond (he's had his chance to respond and did so poorly)

 

Vote TG

[dapianoplay3r]

 

 

That Darthe post on Tina was scary good.

 

you mean the dap post on Tina or I miss something?

 

Yes..Dap.  Sorry.

Thank you :)

The best part was I got the feeling she was all smug thinking I had nothing on her. Ha

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

see that's interesting cause... not doubting that assessment very much but he'll not be back before deadline and will ppl here blind lynch him?

 

and after the case you make on Tina who ...um... yeah...

 

and who'll be here besides...

 

why tg?

 

 

seems perhaps least likely to get the lynch ATM...

 

you think vams just ... um... nice word can't find... you think he's not scum tho?

[dapianoplay3r]

TG has responded to Kaylees case, that alone should be enought to lynch him

I don't think people would swap over to Tina but I'd prefer a Tina lynch (not sure why cos I'm pretty sure they are all mafia)

 

I feel like TG had his chance to speak. If others don't think so then we lynch someone else

 

As for the rest of the team I'm not sure, I was only concentrating in that triangle

[John E. Kelley]

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

[dapianoplay3r]

He had his defence time, he needs a better lawyer

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

I'd go for Tina. I don't think you'll get a consensus on tg with him gone, seen trains get stalled to random waiting on a no show. lame but... the two random kills is not good... do not like.

 

you've played with these ppl and you know their metas and .... is this vams meta? he plays like this as town? its hard to imagine but... i never really watched him so i don't know. srsly?

 

and btw I'm not flaunting noob dumb I'm a noob here, no matter how many games I read, and an idiot. and I've played three damn games ever... and you know my personal meta if not game ... well enough to get that that's not an act, so... yeah.

 

anyway... you think you can get a lynch on TG this day?

 

or you think maybe someone else is more practical?

 

or... you don't want to wait?

[peacesells]

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

 

I agree.  I think I pointed out how convenient his vote was earlier and then to bail.  It's a nice way to hold off being accountable for a day. 

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

I'm thinking this.

[John E. Kelley]

 

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

 

 

I agree.  I think I pointed out how convenient his vote was earlier and then to bail.  It's a nice way to hold off being accountable for a day.

Hence, why I said I wanted to punch him in the face.

[John E. Kelley]

 

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

I'm thinking this.

Of course, you learned well Apprentice.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

 

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

I'm thinking this.

Of course, you learned well Apprentice.

yes, grand high exalted mystic ruler.

 

so who gets killed this day?

 

which will end like 6 freaking PM tomorrow so... crap.

[John E. Kelley]

 

 

 

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

I'm thinking this.

Of course, you learned well Apprentice.

yes, grand high exalted mystic ruler.

so who gets killed this day?

which will end like 6 freaking PM tomorrow so... crap.

A simple "My master" or "Jedi Master" will suffice, thanks.

 

And I'd be happy seeing Vam or Tina dying.

 

Of course, if you're scum, then.....well, we'll deal with that when/if it happens.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

ok, Vams posting his butt off all this evening but don't come here.

 

he wants to take one for the team.

 

but... tbh, don't see him as very dangerous to leave around.

 

one less thing to worry about tho... I can't see him being town.

 

but... watched him less than almost anyone here.

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

 

 

 

 

The bleeding hearts here.won't lynch TG knowing that he won't be back until Monday. That's just a fact.

I'm thinking this.

Of course, you learned well Apprentice.

yes, grand high exalted mystic ruler.

so who gets killed this day?

which will end like 6 freaking PM tomorrow so... crap.

A simple "My master" or "Jedi Master" will suffice, thanks.

And I'd be happy seeing Vam or Tina dying.

Of course, if you're scum, then.....well, we'll deal with that when/if it happens.

you'd know if I was scum even if you aren't so dont bother pretending you can't read me like a book.

 

I'm fine with either as well.

 

dap, you can't get TG today.

 

who you think is a bigger threat?

[Mrs. Cindy Gill]

you want Tina.

 

I can read that much.