[ADVANCED] KaeKey Game of Thrones Mafia - GAME OVER! NIGHT'S WATCH WINS!

[Verbal32]

Then again, don't mind much what I say right now - I'm still getting my feet wet back into this game, so I could be way off (more so than usual, that is).

[Verbal32]

Stop ninja'ing me, Red! I'm trying to make a point! And once I figure out what that point is, I'll reiterate it for sure!

[Gabriel Kross]

Since quote isn't working on this pos work computer I am going to wing this with a copy paste from word.

 

first point. Red, Razen flipped mafia role blocker, hence my bet that Basel is cult roleblocker. Razen is the likely one that had blocked ed, how you missed that Razen flipped roleblocker is beyond me. on that note VOTE BASEL.

 

EP, that line of reasoning is such BS.

 

Basel blocked Razen, so even though he was a Role Blocker, HE WAS BLOCKED!!! you're even admitting in yoru own post that you believe Basels claim.

 

 

so tell me this. even if Razen targetted Ed, how then did his block go through on Ed??

 

 

 

you're ubber defense of Ed is highly noted here.

 

 

also, as i stated before, the Cult having a RBer would unbalance the game in favor of the Cult. if Cult starts off with two people, its with a back up leader so they can continue to recruit after the Leader is killed.

 

not saying it wont happen, just saying imo its highly unlikely. and you latching onto it is highly suspect.

 

 

EP i think you cult, and i'm stating right now for the record that i will not on any circumstance be protecting you.

 

 

BG is on my suspect list for his character, and his ealier antics; but i can roll with a Kay lynch, as much as i can with a Dice, JLM and Mish lynch. unless you guys want to go with an EP lynch.

 

You are most wrong person ever this game. Yes I stated that I think him to be the cult RBer and after thinking about it it makes no sense if he claimed to block Razen, but honestly he probably is just mafia killer. My original theory was that he claimed RB to bus Razen for townie cred, because he targeted someone that was protected. I threw out that theory I'm not sure why, but it's more likely than the Razen blocking imo. Every target he claimed has been unable to confirm they were blocked so there really isn't much proof of him even being a RBer.

 

Also skimming your posts? You have hardly made any game related posts since you replaced in. You are probably cult. The way you keep pushing the cult angle on me is laughable. *prepares for Red to quote all her WoT's that are really maybe like 4 posts*

 

Kill Basel and call it a day, however I am down for a Kaylee lynch as well.

[Red2111]

i dunno Verb, that would make 4 RBing type roles in this game to include EP's Jailer claim. thats hard to balance out and a bit overkill, and i still think it over powers the cult to include a blocking role with them.

 

 

unless ... i'm still of the mind that Snow not being attached to the Nights Watch in any ASoF&I game is absurd. so if you lot want to go along with the line of thinking the Cult has a blocking role, again the signs point to EP.

[Gabriel Kross]

Also why would I have any reason to doubt ed at present? 1 He claimed Robb Stark, 2 he states I'm town which I am, 3 how many starks have you seen flip anti-town so far? 4 Do you really think he'd beable to use his ability if he was recruited?

 

side note as of previous day phase John Snow had cleared me of being Cult based on his stated LD and we have his flip of Town LD.

 

That's 2 investigative roles that have cleared me of cult yet I have been continuosly seeing my name pop up as possible cult. I believe the bulldog needs to be bulldogged.

[Red2111]

You are most wrong person ever this game. Yes I stated that I think him to be the cult RBer and after thinking about it it makes no sense if he claimed to block Razen, but honestly he probably is just mafia killer. My original theory was that he claimed RB to bus Razen for townie cred, because he targeted someone that was protected. I threw out that theory I'm not sure why, but it's more likely than the Razen blocking imo. Every target he claimed has been unable to confirm they were blocked so there really isn't much proof of him even being a RBer.

 

Also skimming your posts? You have hardly made any game related posts since you replaced in. You are probably cult. The way you keep pushing the cult angle on me is laughable. *prepares for Red to quote all her WoT's that are really maybe like 4 posts*

 

Kill Basel and call it a day, however I am down for a Kaylee lynch as well.

 

1st off - GFY cause your scumdar isn't excatly the best thing in these games either there Mr. High Horse. people in glass houses shoudln't throw stones, and if memory serves, 3/4 of the people you were so sure you caught out as scum in yoru little ploy D1 flipped town. so again i reiterate, GFY with your snide comments about scumdars.

 

 

2nd - which is it. is Basel lieing abotu being a RBer or is he a cult RBer. pick a theory and stick with it you FFFF (flip flopping flip flopper)

 

 

3rd - your one to talk about no one being able to back up his claim. i haven't seen anyone back up your claims of having Jailed them either. theres that glass houses thing again.

 

 

4th - oh wow, you fling the cult card at me. again, not so much an original idea as jumping off BG's original claim (like calling Basel the cult RBer i point out) not to mention, how OMGUS of you.

 

 

UNVOTE

 

 

VOTE: EP

[Gabriel Kross]

Blah blah blah maybe you should read my last post to see how futile and wasted your vote is.

[Red2111]

EP, role claims are no longer a safe shield once Tress flipped cult. against being Mafia yes, but not against being cult.

 

 

also, it depends on what exact phrasing John checked as LD. for instance, if he checked "i'm jail keeper", "i'm not mafia" , "i'm Jon Snow" all of these will still show up as truths without informing him of whether your cult or not. LDs are a good role, but not fail safe for finding scum like the Finder is

[Gabriel Kross]

Also, it's not flip flopping if I never stated my original theory in thread, I had thought it started typing it and changed my mind. There is no way we have 4 blockers and I blocked Kaylee. The only way Basel is telling the truth is if there is a busdriver.

[Gabriel Kross]

EP, role claims are no longer a safe shield once Tress flipped cult. against being Mafia yes, but not against being cult.

 

 

also, it depends on what exact phrasing John checked as LD. for instance, if he checked "i'm jail keeper", "i'm not mafia" , "i'm Jon Snow" all of these will still show up as truths without informing him of whether your cult or not. LDs are a good role, but not fail safe for finding scum like the Finder is

 

Now look who is skimming, John stated which statement he LD'd from me. Nice attempt to deflect. Role claims would not be safe if we indeed thought that he was no longer using his ability, pretty sure the general consesus is in agreance that anyone recruited would have lost their ability upon recruit.

[Red2111]

Also, it's not flip flopping if I never stated my original theory in thread, I had thought it started typing it and changed my mind. There is no way we have 4 blockers and I blocked Kaylee. The only way Basel is telling the truth is if there is a busdriver.

 

oh so the only way that Basel is tellign the truth is if theres a Bus Driver, but theres no way in hell Johns LD check of you could have been bus driven. since you want to brig up that role. you want to WIFOM abotu a role, i'll throw it back at you.

 

as of yet theres no reason to suspect a Bus Driver, though its possible given this is an advanced game.

 

 

also, i'm not talkign about whether you posted your original theory or not EP. you being a FFFF comes form your current stance on Basel being a RBer. in one post you deny it and call him a LLL, and in the above post you entertain the idea by WIFOMing the possability of him being Driven.

 

 

Now look who is skimming, John stated which statement he LD'd from me. Nice attempt to deflect. Role claims would not be safe if we indeed thought that he was no longer using his ability, pretty sure the general consesus is in agreance that anyone recruited would have lost their ability upon recruit.

 

gee EP, what clued you in. was it when i stated plain out that i haven't read anythign from page 79 to the start of D5, or are you just figuring this out.

 

*pats EP on the head* its okay, you can admit to skimming. we all already know your doing it.

[Gabriel Kross]

You can't busdrive an LD. Did you seriously just try to suggest that? LD targets statements not people. How the heck do you busdrive a statement?

 

Also Day 5 was when John Snow stated the statement he check you should really get your ducks in a row before you start sniffing. Red is cult guys, I'd say vote for her if I wasn't so sure Basel was anti-town. However I'll vote Red before Kaylee at this point.

 

Something I hadn't commented on before now as well, where did that 3/4 comment come from the only 3 people I was hardcore against were Red1.0 (who flipped town) Verb (still alive) and Darthe (flipped mafia). I've had other suspicions but nothing near so much up to that point as "This person is definately scum"

[Red2111]

really EP. since when is any role in this game immune to another role? thats not only narrow minded of you but 100% false to assume that any role is beyond being Driven if there is a Bus Driver.

 

 

you're only arguing so right now, becuase by doing so benefits you.

 

 

and actually, an LD targets both a person and checks a statement. so yes, an LD can still be bussed.

[Verbal32]

That's a bit of a reach, Red. You'd think the LD would know, right? If they are driven, they'd have to choose a new post from the "new" target, right?

 

 

 

@EP: you were 100% on me being mafia, but you've ignored that for days now. Any reason?

[Red2111]

not necessarily. if you think about it, its two seperate actions for the LD. 1 - picks a person. 2 - picks a statement. the person targetted is the only thing bussed, so the perosn the statement is then applied to is the only thing changed.

 

hence, if the busser targetted John and made him target Razen (for instance) and John checked an "i am town aligned" statement from EP, the mod woudl then read it as if this statement came from Razen, not EP and woudl send back a report of "False" on that statement. cause as we all know, Razen wasn't town.

 

atleast, thats how i woudl work it if i had a BD and a LD and the BD targetted the LD.

 

 

 

not here, i'm only pointing out that assuming the LD can't be bussed is absurd, not arguing that i think thats what happened. EP is the one claiming theres a BD in this game, i'm not sayign there isn't , but i do think right now (given the lack of evidence of one) its highly unlikely there is one for balancing issues with all the blocking roles we supposedly have floating around

[Verbal32]

Now you're trying to game how the mod would do it, or you in their place. Suffice to say, either option is "possible". But that you guys are using this as point/counterpoint in an argument is suspect.

 

If I wasn't reasonably sure EP was town, I'd be thinking this was a contrived argument.....

[Red2111]

nah not trying to game the Mod, just backing up why i think stating the LD isn't bussable is absurd.

 

like i said, not using it as a point in anything other than to disagree with the statement "LD can't be bussed". my backign for believing EP to be cult has everythign to do with his Role Claim, always has and always will.

 

 

as i said, if he's going to claim one role was bussed, then he cant go denying the possability of another role being equally bussed. i'm just pointing out the obtuseness of his line of thinking is all. he wanted to WIFOM abotu Basels being bussed, so i threw it back in his face.

[Red2111]

gah that should read Character claim, not Role Claim

[bgrishinko]

Red...

 

1. Ed outted the cult leader.

2. Cult leader was lynched.

3. No way Ed was cult at this time.

4. Ed clears EP today.

 

Unless there is a backup recruiter, EP is town.

 

Also, it was Despo who brought up the idea that the cult could have a blocking ability. I extrapolated that to maybe all 3 having a blocking ability. Seems more balanced than a backup recruiter to me. And your LD argument about bussing feels like a stretch to me.

[Verbal32]

Red...

 

1. Ed outted the cult leader.

2. Cult leader was lynched.

3. No way Ed was cult at this time.

4. Ed clears EP today.

 

Unless there is a backup recruiter, EP is town.

 

Also, it was Despo who brought up the idea that the cult could have a blocking ability. I extrapolated that to maybe all 3 having a blocking ability. Seems more balanced than a backup recruiter to me. And your LD argument about bussing feels like a stretch to me.

 

^This

[Red2111]

and i'll state again. it was to explain my reasoning on why i think EPs statement of "LD can't be bussed" is absurd. not an explination of what i think happened, as i've already stated, i see no reason to assume theres a BD in this game, especially with all the blocking roles we already apparently have. i'm nto discounting it, its just not the first role i'm goign to assume is in play.

 

that said, i still have my reservations abotu EP and Ed.

 

 

first off, is EPs character, which i can't see as not being aligned with the Nights Watch, given that Jon becomes part of the NW 1/2 way through book 1. for me, to think that he's not NW's is like thinking Joffery isn't scum in these games.

 

2nd - Ed outted Tress? like had a finding on her type outted her, or bussed her and lead her wagon type outted her??

 

3rd - Ed claiming he was blocked when the only outted RBer (Basel) targgetted the scum RBer (Razen) and to our knowledge, he wasn't Jailed. so logically, this doesn't make sense. even if Razen did target Ed, Razen was blocked by Basel so Ed wouldnt have been blocked. so either Ed is lieing, or Razen is lieing; becuase i cant see 4 blocking type roles being in this game, its too hard to balance imo.

 

4th - its more common for a Cult to start with a backup than it is for them to start with a 2nd member who has any other role than "back up cult leader"; so the possability of the Cult still having a recruit is alot more liklier than them havign a blocker.

[Red2111]

damnit that should read "either ed is lieing or Basel is lieing" flamming typing to fast while thinking a sentance ahead.

[Verbal32]

This might sound crazy, but lynching Ed might shed a LOT of light on this situation.

[Red2111]

and i'd rather lynch EP than Ed. my gut is more firm on EP due to his claiming Jon Snow, and i'm not willing to risk possibly losing a finder if Ed is tellign the truth. i'd rather lynch EP to clear Ed than the other way around

[JenLenaMom]

This might sound crazy, but lynching Ed might shed a LOT of light on this situation.

 

Hey I just met you... Oh wait sorry

 

You want to lynch the only finder we are sure we have? I think that's a bad move.

 

I think lynching Basel would give us much better info.

 

Basel