Cyndane's Strength (poll)

[Dantalion]

I'm just going to throw this out there.

 

Cyndane is Ilyena =)

[V1zharan]

I think the finn's enhanced Lanfear long ago ( hence her being the MOST beautiful woman possible, and the MOST powerful woman possible) and when she died, the DO could not give her what the finn's did. So, her new body had neither the enhanced beauty, or strength.

 

Great job of showing your lack of IQ. You just said/strongly implied the finns are stronger than the DO...I no longer am going to put much stock in your arguments soley because of that comment. I agree with anyone who says there is not enough evidence, because their isn't.

As far as Leane's supposed uber-strength compared to other Aes Sedai, I strongly disagree she was twice as strong.

While I do agree there must be a cut-off point for Aes Sedai strength, I don't believe it is very high. We aren't really sure of the requirements for Accepted or Aes Sedai, but neither of the tests require channeling. The tests instead test your dedication to the Tower, and your strength of will. Also, the quote that seems to be getting thrown around a lot about her them being raised back to half or 2/3 their strength, seems to be having certain parts overlooked. Yes, most Aes Sedai would be equal in strength, but many would still be stronger. meaning, while they would still be higher on the scale after being healed, they would still be fairly low if many would still be stronger.

People who think Lanfear is as strong as Rand...I see that as baseless. No, we don't know the strength of the angreal they were using. But we DO know that she has had waaaaay more practice than him, and is waaaay more skilled than Rand even with LTT in the back of his head, for the moment, passively enhancing his abilities. It's much easier to kill than to maim/control something, stronger or the same strength, and Rand was obviously not trying to kill Lanfear. I'm not saying Lanfear is an anthill beside a mountain compared to Rand, but I strongly believe she is significantly weaker. Rand is the reincarnation of the strongest male channeler ever to exist.(or at least thats the way I interpret his strength compared to everyone else) She, while still very strong, just isn't as powerful as him.

Going back to my analysis of the Finn idea and my criticism of that stupid comment, saying the Finns made Lanfear stronger is a very small posibility at best. Also, thrown in with that, you people are saying that if they made her stronger, the DO himself, equal only to the Creator, cant do what they could. That's just absurd that the Finns would be more powerful than the DO which, when your argument down, is EXACTLY what you are saying.

I don't believe in the stilled and healed by a woman theory either,and I think the DO punishing Lanfear by lowering her strength is nearly as absurd as the Finn theory. Then again, I'm still a non-believer as to Lanfear being Cyndane, but, given that I am very likely to be proven wrong somewhere in the next book, I've given myself over to jumping into these arguments over why she is weaker, proving my point, disproving others' points, and overall enjoying my stay in these forums.

If I missed something, please point it out, Ill gladly go on correcting theories.(unless you are Luckers, I've had problems with you in the past, and am not looking forward to arguing with you again)

 

~V1zharan~

[chemteach1977]

I personally do not think Lanfear had a previous encounter with the Finns but i'll argue for it anyway. The Finns do not have to be more powerful than the DO for that argument to hold. They simply must have more direct control of their world than the DO currently has over Randland. Certainly the DO would be more powerful but he is still imprisoned and only able to affect the world through a weakening barrier. If he breaks free then all bets are off. But in the mean-time he has limited abilities to affect the world of Randland.

 

Also you seem to miss the point of the quote about Leane's strength. She says "If i get back to even half of what i was, i will equal most other AS." She definitely was one of the strongest AS.

[V1zharan]

Leane was powerful, thats for sure, but I just don't think she was twice as high as a whole lot of Aes Sedai. Nynaeve I can believe is twice as strong as any other Aes Sedai, but Leane...she just never struck me as a very powerful Aes Sedai.

You bring up a good point about the DO not being able to affect the world as much, but over half the seals are gone(I believe 4 are gone now), I'd think that would give him significant power. Also, if Lanfear died, he is Lord of the Grave, that has to count for something, and then, this may mean nothing, but Lanfear probably has a link to the DO, just like the male forsaken had/have one protecting them from the taint, so maybe having a more direct connection enables him to affect her more than someone Black Ajah might be able to be affected.

 

~V1zharan~

[rd2000]

I think the finn's enhanced Lanfear long ago ( hence her being the MOST beautiful woman possible' date=' and the MOST powerful woman possible) and when she died, the DO could not give her what the finn's did. So, her new body had neither the enhanced beauty, or strength.[/quote']

 

Great job of showing your lack of IQ. You just said/strongly implied the finns are stronger than the DO...I no longer am going to put much stock in your arguments soley because of that comment. I agree with anyone who says there is not enough evidence, because their isn't.

~V1zharan~

 

Fine by me, I stopped reading your post after the first sentence. I clearly said it was my theory, and in no way was I pushing it over any other theory.

If only 100% factual, provable posts are your interest, your not reading much here. This forum is a place for us to exchange ideas, discuss different viewpoints, and have fun.

 

Now, to rebut that one sentence I did read. Where did I say the finn's are more powerful than the DO? Please don't misquote me.....EVER. I said that the finn's gave something to Lanfear that the DO couldn't. That doesn't make them more powerful. And it is a given by all here that the DO is not omnipotent.(well, most here at least)

[V1zharan]

maybe I went a little overboard with the intelligence comment, but I still say the Finn theory is ridiculous, people give the Finns too much power, and its annoying, the finns can grant wishes, the extent of which is unknown, they can somewhat read the pattern, but no where have we learned its possible for anyone/anything, including the Finns, to affect someones strength short of stilling and healing

 

~V1zharan~

[rd2000]

Then how can we explain that Cyndane does not think it is possible for anyone to be more powerful than she was as Lanfear? That implies she knows it for a fact. Somehow she became (as Lanfear) as powerful in the OP as a woman could be. And we already knew she was as beautiful as a woman could be. Something happened that made her both most beautiful and most powerful. I can not believe she was born that way. The easiest explanation for me is the finn's. Because it is two things (two wishes) also fits into a finn explanation nicely. If the DO had raised her beauty and power, then why not the other forsaken? Some are more vain than Lanfear by far (Graendal, Rahvin) and would have asked it of the DO if they thought they could get it. Lanfear had the ambition for power to risk wishing for it from the finn's, and her obsession with winning LT back would certainly motivate her to wish for beauty.

I am still trying to figure out why the other forsaken would not have tried something similar with the finns after seeing how well Lanfear turned out.

[V1zharan]

nothing says Lanfear is as strong as can be, and some people are born great looking, yes, she seems to think of herself as immensely powerful, but that could easily be due to not ever finding someone stronger than her, if you walk around your whole life as a body-builder and never find anyone stronger, and there is no mass media showcasing competitions or sumtin, ur gonna think ur the strongest, cause ur used to being the strongest, and havent been proven wrong, not finding anyone as strong as you in the OP for a few hundred years will make ya a lil vain, dontcha think? maybe she just got lucky and was born beautiful and powerful

 

~V1zharan~

[Thor]

I think we've had enough flaming for one thread already. :|

 

As for Lanear's strength, she is pretty much as strong as a woman could be, I don't think there is any doubt about that. Considering that the Age of Lengends had no lack of channelers and a big population, it is highly unlikely that there is anyone in the present who is stronger than Lanfear was.

 

The drop in power cannot be percentile if the stilling-healing is to hold true. If the drop is percentile, then it must be the Finns who weakened her.

[RobertAlexWillis]

The drop in power cannot be percentile if the stilling-healing is to hold true. If the drop is percentile, then it must be the Finns who weakened her.

 

I'm sorry, but that just isn't proven. We don't know the exact nature of "power-levels". Its not like you get assigned a number on a scale. We don't know the circumstances of her time with the Eelfinn, and we certainly don't know that they are even able to affect someone's channeling like that. If you think thats what happened, then fine, its your opinion, but you certainly haven't put forth an iron-clad case for it.

 

The easiest explanation for me is the finn's. Because it is two things (two wishes) also fits into a finn explanation nicely.

 

-Sigh- The Eelfinn are not genies. They don't grant wishes. They're like merchants. They have some special powers, but they can't just do anything. You make a bargain with them, and they fulfill it in the way the can, which is not usually the way you expect. The only "supernatural" power we've seen them exhibit is the ability to link with the minds of people who come into their realm, and to pass those memories to others. The only other things they gave Mat were a ter'angreal that they probably took from someone else in a bargain, a cool looking Power-wrought ashandarei they probably got the same way, and transportation back to Rhuidean (which probably amounted to throwing him over their shoulders and walking).

 

The best argument for the idea that Lanfear was burned out is that she didn't kick the Eelfinn's sorry cans all the way across their world. If she had been intact, with an angreal, she could have smoked those sorry foxy fellas. The fact that she didn't is all but proof that she was burned out by the melting of the doorway ter'angreal.

 

And with the doorway gone, why would the Eelfinn feel obligated to give her anything? (Sorry, that was a shot at the "Lanfear killed Asmodean" crowd.)