[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 2:48 PM, Barmacral said:

As much as I agree with a Verbal lynch (I strongly dislike his gold buying nk offer) I think The Dude is the best way to go here. He's an unknown who brought up the possibility of multiple cult as though we'd been talking about it all game, and his only cover for it was that there was maybe possibly some remote chance that somebody mentioned it earlier in the game that he can't be bothered to dig through the thread to find.

 

Plus he did get really defensive really fast over him showing up late for the lynches. If there is a backup cult leader, he's a good shot for it IMO.

 

So the slip up on the dudes part was saying there was multiple cult members?

 

I didn't like Verbals play at the end of the day either, but I honestly feel like we have so many inactives that it's a good place to at least LOOK for now. I know getting converted pisses some people off and they could just go emo quiet. That's why I have my vote on J80. He's posted more than me in recent games and has been essentially MIA this game.

[John McClane]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:07 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

If Smash was lying about his role - he's be dead. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

Nobody is accusing him about lying about his character name - however, there's no way to verify his tracker role, nor is there a way to verify his alignment at this point.

 

You still haven't answered my question - who did the Starks use their NK on?

[John McClane]

  On 8/24/2011 at 2:46 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 1:37 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 1:08 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 12:16 PM, John McClane said:

Smash, why would you have tracked verbal? It obvious if he is anything, it is a convert or survivor... Again you show no sign of looking for a potential converter, in this case original cult and backup. Puzzled by this choice.

 

Again we have shots fired at Starks, but the stark watcher alive? Again a moot result. Logically would cult leave smash alive for the wifom? Or would they just convert him and use him to mislead us?

 

Vic, dude, verb, or smash... Okay with a vote on any of them. Sakea too.

 

For now Vote Verb

 

I asked 2 times for suggestions on possible Tracks not one person answered. If your so concerned about who I track why not at least suggest something ?

 

Why suggest you track someone, when I don't believe you?

 

Also if you dont belive me dont attack my choice just vote for me :) wouldnt that make more sense ?

 

We have some votes on verb and since I tracked him and he did nothing I think the odds point to the possibility he is cult.

 

 

I'm still trying to decide if I want to vote you or not - and talking out why or why not your target choice makes sense, given what we know is sorta how the game works. So, I'll do what I want... I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket after all.

 

Speaking of which... you've still pretty much coasted on useless results and pecking at me... how about you give me YOUR list, I did so for you.

[Barmacral]

  On 8/23/2011 at 9:54 PM, Barmacral said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 9:50 PM, the dude said:

sharrow, i think we're probably looking at a bannermen or 2 left for the lannisters. 6 to start, 4 family members dead, a bannerman, and one still out there somewhere. plus anyone who declared before the lannisters nosedived into oblivion. and they may still just want to slay some starks in the night time since bannermen do get abilities too.

 

the mass stark reveal's a pretty 2 edged sword though. like it'll clear the air for good guys, sure. but we've been talking 3 cultists to start, right? so with 2 originals left, and any converts picked up along the way, they've still got a functioning team. don't know how the conversion mechanics work in this game but i doubt they're converting 3 people a night; they're probably reaching a consensus and submitting the choice. it's not likely they're down and out by losing a single member, and outing all the starks is just making it easy for them unless there's some blocking mechanism i don't know about.

 

so revealing would make our lives easier during the day but probably way harder in night time.

 

Have we been? I don't recall this. Sounds like a major slip to me.

 

 

  On 8/23/2011 at 10:23 PM, the dude said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 9:57 PM, Smash said:

I dont remember ever talking about 3 cultists ....It was discussed 1 maybe 2 and I think 2 is a long shot.

 

i'm not wading through everything to find it but it was mentioned that there could be the sister, the brother and the father - i dont know the series enough to recall their names but it's been mentioned, and thematically it could make some sense.

 

oh, and if i had to make a guess, it's one bannerman as tracker, one as nightkiller.

 

if i had to guess.

 

and, like, where are these pot brownies, exactly? no reason......

 

Vic, this is what I was referring to. His apparent slip was referring to how many cult members the team started with, not how many all told.

[Smash]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:16 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:07 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

If Smash was lying about his role - he's be dead. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

Nobody is accusing him about lying about his character name - however, there's no way to verify his tracker role, nor is there a way to verify his alignment at this point.

 

You still haven't answered my question - who did the Starks use their NK on?

 

Now your getting ridiculous. Why would I lie about my role as a confirmed stark ? What would I stand to gain for me or my team by doing that ? Ask Verbal if he visited anyone last night also if your want confirmation of my role.

[Hybrid]

I'm OK with pressuring the dude a little more at the moment.

 

Vote the dude

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:16 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:07 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

If Smash was lying about his role - he's be dead. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

Nobody is accusing him about lying about his character name - however, there's no way to verify his tracker role, nor is there a way to verify his alignment at this point.

 

You still haven't answered my question - who did the Starks use their NK on?

 

Personally I think Smash is the most likely conversion candidate. He's a stark, has a "tracking role" that could pick off cult if the recruit at night (if I'm understanding the role correctly he'd see X cult member visit X person). Additionally he's a Stark and at this stage I would think the Cult would want to be friendly with the Lannisters since they would need to combine #'s to try and take over the Starks control of this game. Granted, they dont' know who each other is (cult/Lannister) but having a Stark out there is an easy choice for cult IMO.

[Hybrid]

  On 8/23/2011 at 3:15 PM, Vicious89x said:

This is a very valid point. My vote was bought when we killed off Red and had the same verbiage and understood the rules as such. Could be slip up.

 

Unvote

Vote: DPR

 

I was rereading and noticed this.

 

Vic -- how much did the Lannisters pay you for your vote?

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:26 PM, Barmacral said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 9:54 PM, Barmacral said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 9:50 PM, the dude said:

sharrow, i think we're probably looking at a bannermen or 2 left for the lannisters. 6 to start, 4 family members dead, a bannerman, and one still out there somewhere. plus anyone who declared before the lannisters nosedived into oblivion. and they may still just want to slay some starks in the night time since bannermen do get abilities too.

 

the mass stark reveal's a pretty 2 edged sword though. like it'll clear the air for good guys, sure. but we've been talking 3 cultists to start, right? so with 2 originals left, and any converts picked up along the way, they've still got a functioning team. don't know how the conversion mechanics work in this game but i doubt they're converting 3 people a night; they're probably reaching a consensus and submitting the choice. it's not likely they're down and out by losing a single member, and outing all the starks is just making it easy for them unless there's some blocking mechanism i don't know about.

 

so revealing would make our lives easier during the day but probably way harder in night time.

 

Have we been? I don't recall this. Sounds like a major slip to me.

 

 

  On 8/23/2011 at 10:23 PM, the dude said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 9:57 PM, Smash said:

I dont remember ever talking about 3 cultists ....It was discussed 1 maybe 2 and I think 2 is a long shot.

 

i'm not wading through everything to find it but it was mentioned that there could be the sister, the brother and the father - i dont know the series enough to recall their names but it's been mentioned, and thematically it could make some sense.

 

oh, and if i had to make a guess, it's one bannerman as tracker, one as nightkiller.

 

if i had to guess.

 

and, like, where are these pot brownies, exactly? no reason......

 

Vic, this is what I was referring to. His apparent slip was referring to how many cult members the team started with, not how many all told.

 

Thanks. I was understanding it that he was saying there was 3 at the time of Slats death. To say that's what they started out with is odd, but I did agree with his reasoning of keeping the Starks hidden when Sharrow started talking mass reveal. I'm 50/50 on dude right now.

[Smash]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:22 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 2:46 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 1:37 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 1:08 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 12:16 PM, John McClane said:

Smash, why would you have tracked verbal? It obvious if he is anything, it is a convert or survivor... Again you show no sign of looking for a potential converter, in this case original cult and backup. Puzzled by this choice.

 

Again we have shots fired at Starks, but the stark watcher alive? Again a moot result. Logically would cult leave smash alive for the wifom? Or would they just convert him and use him to mislead us?

 

Vic, dude, verb, or smash... Okay with a vote on any of them. Sakea too.

 

For now Vote Verb

 

I asked 2 times for suggestions on possible Tracks not one person answered. If your so concerned about who I track why not at least suggest something ?

 

Why suggest you track someone, when I don't believe you?

 

Also if you dont belive me dont attack my choice just vote for me :) wouldnt that make more sense ?

 

We have some votes on verb and since I tracked him and he did nothing I think the odds point to the possibility he is cult.

 

 

I'm still trying to decide if I want to vote you or not - and talking out why or why not your target choice makes sense, given what we know is sorta how the game works. So, I'll do what I want... I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket after all.

 

Speaking of which... you've still pretty much coasted on useless results and pecking at me... how about you give me YOUR list, I did so for you.

 

Im not pecking at you Im responding to your ridiculous accusations of me being a liar when it makes no damn sense, your inititating this not me. Verbal will confirm he did nothing last night and Ill investigate anyone your little heart desires to prove Im on the level. Since I feel my role is pretty much worthless at this point.

 

I made the case earlier that Slats was directing us off of Mynd and sure enough Slats was the CL. He directed us off Mynd in 2 consecutive day phases yet Mynd still lives ? When I tracked Mynd it was a close call as to which one I thought was the CL, I was close to tracking Slats. But the results of that track would have only helped us if someone actully died.I think Verbal and Mynd are Converts AND those are the only 2 at this point Im willing to vote. I went with verbal because he seemed to be getting some attention and I would like to hear from him but I feel Mynd is the stronger possibility for Convert.

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:36 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 3:15 PM, Vicious89x said:

This is a very valid point. My vote was bought when we killed off Red and had the same verbiage and understood the rules as such. Could be slip up.

 

Unvote

Vote: DPR

 

I was rereading and noticed this.

 

Vic -- how much did the Lannisters pay you for your vote?

 

I was paid 155 in gold for my vote, but was not told who bought my vote. I assumed House Stark after Red revealed as a major Lannister character. But the exact # was 155 and I took it on the first offer.

[Smash]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:31 PM, Vicious89x said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:16 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:07 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

If Smash was lying about his role - he's be dead. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

Nobody is accusing him about lying about his character name - however, there's no way to verify his tracker role, nor is there a way to verify his alignment at this point.

 

You still haven't answered my question - who did the Starks use their NK on?

 

Personally I think Smash is the most likely conversion candidate. He's a stark, has a "tracking role" that could pick off cult if the recruit at night (if I'm understanding the role correctly he'd see X cult member visit X person). Additionally he's a Stark and at this stage I would think the Cult would want to be friendly with the Lannisters since they would need to combine #'s to try and take over the Starks control of this game. Granted, they dont' know who each other is (cult/Lannister) but having a Stark out there is an easy choice for cult IMO.

 

Vic the CL is dead thats first.

 

Second Even if I tracked the CL I would have no idea who he was until either he died or the person he tracked that I got results on died.

 

Since I feel there is no secondary recruiter for the cult My role is basicly useless ..... I could keep it quiet and not give results to try and catch people in lies but i guarantee people would consider that scummy and scream bloody murder including the Converts . But I will take the APE's advice and continue tracking since their is the chance Kiv would have put a back up recruiter in the game which IMHO makes no sense what so ever.

[Smash]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:41 PM, Vicious89x said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:36 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/23/2011 at 3:15 PM, Vicious89x said:

This is a very valid point. My vote was bought when we killed off Red and had the same verbiage and understood the rules as such. Could be slip up.

 

Unvote

Vote: DPR

 

I was rereading and noticed this.

 

Vic -- how much did the Lannisters pay you for your vote?

 

I was paid 155 in gold for my vote, but was not told who bought my vote. I assumed House Stark after Red revealed as a major Lannister character. But the exact # was 155 and I took it on the first offer.

 

So you took your gold bought a few bullets and offed a few starks ?

[the dude]

hi fellas, i'm sneaking this in on lunch break on a buddy's laptop =P i can't effectively say much right now but i'll leave you with 2 words:

 

Jon Umber.

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:46 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:31 PM, Vicious89x said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:16 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:07 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

If Smash was lying about his role - he's be dead. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

Nobody is accusing him about lying about his character name - however, there's no way to verify his tracker role, nor is there a way to verify his alignment at this point.

 

You still haven't answered my question - who did the Starks use their NK on?

 

Personally I think Smash is the most likely conversion candidate. He's a stark, has a "tracking role" that could pick off cult if the recruit at night (if I'm understanding the role correctly he'd see X cult member visit X person). Additionally he's a Stark and at this stage I would think the Cult would want to be friendly with the Lannisters since they would need to combine #'s to try and take over the Starks control of this game. Granted, they dont' know who each other is (cult/Lannister) but having a Stark out there is an easy choice for cult IMO.

 

Vic the CL is dead thats first.

 

Second Even if I tracked the CL I would have no idea who he was until either he died or the person he tracked that I got results on died.

 

Since I feel there is no secondary recruiter for the cult My role is basicly useless ..... I could keep it quiet and not give results to try and catch people in lies but i guarantee people would consider that scummy and scream bloody murder including the Converts . But I will take the APE's advice and continue tracking since their is the chance Kiv would have put a back up recruiter in the game which IMHO makes no sense what so ever.

 

 

Vic the CL is dead thats first.

You're missing the point entirely. I'm saying you outed yourself day 1. Cult leader was alive and you could've easily been converted. This is a weak defense at best.

 

Second Even if I tracked the CL I would have no idea who he was until either he died or the person he tracked that I got results on died.

 

But you could cast doubt on someone. If you had tracked slats and slats had visited verbal, we could've lynched slats, he flips CL and then we know he visited verbal and boom, you have another cult member. You were dangerous to them.

 

Since I feel there is no secondary recruiter for the cult My role is basicly useless ..... I could keep it quiet and not give results to try and catch people in lies but i guarantee people would consider that scummy and scream bloody murder including the Converts . But I will take the APE's advice and continue tracking since their is the chance Kiv would have put a back up recruiter in the game which IMHO makes no sense what so ever.

That's fine and good. But it still doesn't address the concern of you as a POSSIBLE convert.

[Barmacral]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:59 PM, the dude said:

hi fellas, i'm sneaking this in on lunch break on a buddy's laptop =P i can't effectively say much right now but i'll leave you with 2 words:

 

Jon Umber.

 

So you're claiming stark bannerman?

 

I will unvote for now.

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:59 PM, the dude said:

hi fellas, i'm sneaking this in on lunch break on a buddy's laptop =P i can't effectively say much right now but i'll leave you with 2 words:

 

Jon Umber.

 

BEAST MODE.

 

For those who don't know the source material Jon aka GreatJon Umber is a Stark sympathizer. If you watched the show he's the dude who gets his finger chewed off by the direwolf and then LOL'D. He also messes people up because he's a beast.

[Barmacral]

It would be nice it DPR would come by and vet The Dude though.

[Smash]

Vic everyone who is still in this game is a possible convert ....Right ?

 

I gave my reasons why I think Mynd was converted and at the time I made the accusations I had no idea Slats was a CL . That should point to Mynd even more. But hey half the game is not even contributing so Im going to go with my best feeling and change my vote from verbal to Mynd and thats where it will stay

[CTM]

  On 8/24/2011 at 2:44 PM, John McClane said:

 

We are on D4. CL died on D3, meaning he only converted on N1 and N2, lets assume both were successful attempts. We should be looking for ~4 cult members, assuming they started with 2-3 including CL.

its day 5.. how could you not know this..

[Vicious89x]

  On 8/24/2011 at 4:11 PM, Smash said:

Vic everyone who is still in this game is a possible convert ....Right ?

 

I gave my reasons why I think Mynd was converted and at the time I made the accusations I had no idea Slats was a CL . That should point to Mynd even more. But hey half the game is not even contributing so Im going to go with my best feeling and change my vote from verbal to Mynd and thats where it will stay

 

Absolutely anyone can be a suspect. I'm saying from a strategic standpoint I view you as a likely candidate. While I see slats directing off Mynd, I dont' think someone would put themselves out there to defend one of their converts if they are the CL. If you're the CL you can always replace one that dies, no reason to stick your neck out. I can't see slats doing that either, JMO.

 

I have to 100% agree with you with the "not contributing" aspect. I'm halfway up the post #'s and I think it's fair to say I haven't putzed around a whole lot this game. Oh well.

[CTM]

  On 8/24/2011 at 4:11 PM, Smash said:

Vic everyone who is still in this game is a possible convert ....Right ?

 

I gave my reasons why I think Mynd was converted and at the time I made the accusations I had no idea Slats was a CL . That should point to Mynd even more. But hey half the game is not even contributing so Im going to go with my best feeling and change my vote from verbal to Mynd and thats where it will stay

Meh, I don't know that CL would defend one of his recruits..

[Barmacral]

For the time being I'm happy to vote: Verbal

 

At best he's cult, at worst he's an independant survivor who doesn't affect the starks ability to win. And his plan is scummy as hell.

[John McClane]

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:27 PM, Smash said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:16 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/24/2011 at 3:07 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

If Smash was lying about his role - he's be dead. Pull your head out of your ass.

 

Nobody is accusing him about lying about his character name - however, there's no way to verify his tracker role, nor is there a way to verify his alignment at this point.

 

You still haven't answered my question - who did the Starks use their NK on?

 

Now your getting ridiculous. Why would I lie about my role as a confirmed stark ? What would I stand to gain for me or my team by doing that ? Ask Verbal if he visited anyone last night also if your want confirmation of my role.

 

 

Jeezuzzzzz... let me re-phrase, "there's no way to verify his tracker role is actually being used, because if he was converted chances are it he lost the ability, nor is there a way to verify his alignment"

 

You are picking apart what I consider the givens of where we are at in the game right now...

[Hybrid]

Unvote

 

I'm waiting on some replies from Kivam atm. I'll take the time to reread the last couple of days again.