[Advanced/Experimental] Game of Thrones Mafia

[John McClane]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:06 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:45 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:07 PM, CTM said:

Jack seems to me to be a survivor cause he said some things that I was surprised he knew, as I originaly I thought i was "the survivor" as opposed to "a survivor"

 

Why would you think that?

Cause the first ting I read was my role and when I read my role I thought I was the only survivor.. it fit with my character

 

When you read your role, did you notice the win conditions?

[Verbal32]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:04 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:55 PM, BooBoo said:

Unvote Sharrow - she's a boy

Vote John McClane - just following the lead here. But also, does he post a lot to anyone else? Seems like that might get annoying further down the line as its so much too read.

 

Yes. I post a lot and its annoying, but it also moves the game along.

 

I just pointed out that Jack doesn't know the Survivor win conditions, but its cool... follow the lead, vote me.

 

Why do you post things like this? Your lover's quarrel with CTM does nothing of the sort.....quite the opposite.

[CTM]

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:51 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:10 PM, Jack_D said:

Yes I'm going to join a faction. That's how you win. You win together or die alone. And now your voting me for the same reason I'm voting you. To kill a potential threat, or eliminate a member of a team thus influencing my choice of team I'd chose.

 

By siding with someone ape you don't become one of them, you become a banmerman. There is a difference

 

Ugh. Since the JN group is more interested in lynching me to be dooshes, and not paying attention to the game, I'll make this more blatant.

 

This is NOT the only win condition for a survivor. I am a survivor. I don't think Jack is... this post above was informed by this part of the opening scene:

 

The Stark House and Bannermen will win when all of the Lannister House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead. The Lannister House and Bannermen will win when the Stark House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead.

Survivors can win with either the Starks or the Lannisters, so long as they are alive at endgame. And survivors have the option of joining either the Stark or Lannister faction.

 

And if the Cult wins, everyone else loses.

 

I agree that Jack has said some thing that made me believe he was a survivor, but he could have easily gleaned that info from a different role PM and the opening scene. Him not knowing the survivor win conditions exposes him as either not a survivor, or someone who didn't read his PM.

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

[Verbal32]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:08 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:06 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:45 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:07 PM, CTM said:

Jack seems to me to be a survivor cause he said some things that I was surprised he knew, as I originaly I thought i was "the survivor" as opposed to "a survivor"

 

Why would you think that?

Cause the first ting I read was my role and when I read my role I thought I was the only survivor.. it fit with my character

 

When you read your role, did you notice the win conditions?

 

I agree with you here, btw, which is why I'm voting for Jack.

[Red2111]

hey guys, i'm replacing Kast. first i must to all of the legends in this game. i'm sad to be replacing kast cause i've heard alot about him but have never seen him play. great to finally meet soem of the notrious JN gang, and hopefully you guys will join some of the other games over here at DM and freshin up the crowd!! after all, we play all year round here at DM *hint hint, wink wink*

 

 

also

 

 

your game play feels a bit underhanded and my gut doesn't trust your intentions. also, the points Verb brings up about you being on any team if you are a survivor hold water; even if you are a survivor i think at this poitn because of the heat your getting on yourself, no matter what team you end up on your liekly to be killed. best to get you out of the way now, get your corners report and get us some good info. you also seem to see the need to keep stating "i'm a survivor" your need to keep throwing this out there is another reason i don't like your game this time around.

 

 

oh and CTM, #14. its a premeptive OMGUS #14 at you since i know your gonna #14 me seeing as your aim is to #14 every player in the game

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:36 PM, Sharrow said:

I don't mind voting for Jack or McLame.

 

Jack is clearly overselling being a survivor, and it makes me uncomfortable with him.

 

I agree that the Ape likely is a member of one of the families, either of which would be a good lynch to start the game.

 

That said, CTM is just as likely to be on the opposing family. In fact, maybe more so. Why else would he first be so against the no-lynch idea because of the cult repercussions, only to now push to set the table for one of the families by taking out the Ape? Most likely, he is looking to unbalance them, and is already pushing the idea of a survivor landslide for the dead Ape's family's enemy. There would be no better move for a member of that family.

 

That said, it wouldn't really bother me. In fact, I would rather be on CTM's landslide team than the Ape's. It's just a matter of how things play out.

 

 

^^ this is some good points as well

[CTM]

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:45 PM, Bleedin Green said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:31 PM, CTM said:

He seems a little clueless as to how the survivor role works, and his little bit about lynching a faction memeber and runnign the setup pinged..

 

Could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.. but I'm pretty sure jack is a survivor and lynching him doesn't make sense to me..

 

I think the right plan is to try and lynch cult/faction member.. and hope all the survivors join the opposing faction..

Yeah, the ruining the setup thing seemed really peculiar to me as well, but I didn't know what to make of it. What he's saying is "ruining the setup" is really the entire purposeful design of the game. I'm kind of conflicted though on him being a faction member based on that because in order for that to work as a defense in his favor, he'd have to actually reveal as a faction member, and I seriously doubt he's about do that (although he should feel free to do so if he's so inclined). Just strange.

I took it as him trying to de prioritize faction hunting..

[Bleedin Green]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:10 PM, CTM said:

I took it as him trying to de prioritize faction hunting..

I see what you're saying, more so for a potential team benefit than an individual Ape benefit. Go figure, I guess I never even considered that as an option for him.

[John McClane]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:09 PM, CTM said:

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

 

Okay, so you read Jack's omission of the full spectrum of survivor win conditions as pragmatic.

 

BUT... the fact that I revealed that I am a survivor and know there are more win conditions than what he listed, thus validating my reveal for anyone that IS a survivor, and you still leave your vote on me.

 

Interesting...

[CTM]

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:39 PM, DreadPirateRoberts said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:31 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:14 PM, Bleedin Green said:

Other than him doing his normal thing of trying to save his own ass at all costs (I'm waiting for the bulletproof claim any minute now), what exactly makes you think he's a faction member?

He seems a little clueless as to how the survivor role works, and his little bit about lynching a faction memeber and runnign the setup pinged..

 

Could be wrong, wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.. but I'm pretty sure jack is a survivor and lynching him doesn't make sense to me..

 

I think the right plan is to try and lynch cult/faction member.. and hope all the survivors join the opposing faction..

 

 

So, if I'm hearing you correctly, you are proposing that we discover one faction or another with a quickness, and have everybody hop on the side of the one with the most numbers so that we can end the game as quickly as possible, thus not giving the cult a chance to grow. Is that right?

Kinda, but also to make it a traditional mafia game, if we wipe out 1 faction, it's town vs cult.... Once 1 faction is eliminated, and all the survivors convert.. we'll have a very small pool to find cult leader....

 

If the games say

 

6 stark

6 lannister

2 cult

12 survivors..

 

having all 14 commit to lannister or stark right away might make it easy to find the CL

 

In fact, I'd be open to just openly agreeing to all join 1 faction :D but that won't happen either.. Maybe ned start and tywin lannister can campaign for our services :D

[CTM]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:14 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:09 PM, CTM said:

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

 

Okay, so you read Jack's omission of the full spectrum of survivor win conditions as pragmatic.

 

BUT... the fact that I revealed that I am a survivor and know there are more win conditions than what he listed, thus validating my reveal for anyone that IS a survivor, and you still leave your vote on me.

 

Interesting...

what you posted was the second post in thread clearly available to anyone.. weaksauce..

[Hybrid]

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:51 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:10 PM, Jack_D said:

Yes I'm going to join a faction. That's how you win. You win together or die alone. And now your voting me for the same reason I'm voting you. To kill a potential threat, or eliminate a member of a team thus influencing my choice of team I'd chose.

 

By siding with someone ape you don't become one of them, you become a banmerman. There is a difference

 

Ugh. Since the JN group is more interested in lynching me to be dooshes, and not paying attention to the game, I'll make this more blatant.

 

This is NOT the only win condition for a survivor. I am a survivor. I don't think Jack is... this post above was informed by this part of the opening scene:

 

The Stark House and Bannermen will win when all of the Lannister House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead. The Lannister House and Bannermen will win when the Stark House and Bannermen, and all Cultists, are dead.

Survivors can win with either the Starks or the Lannisters, so long as they are alive at endgame. And survivors have the option of joining either the Stark or Lannister faction.

 

And if the Cult wins, everyone else loses.

 

I agree that Jack has said some thing that made me believe he was a survivor, but he could have easily gleaned that info from a different role PM and the opening scene. Him not knowing the survivor win conditions exposes him as either not a survivor, or someone who didn't read his PM.

 

This is a solid point.

 

Unvote, vote Jack

[Verbal32]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:14 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:09 PM, CTM said:

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

 

Okay, so you read Jack's omission of the full spectrum of survivor win conditions as pragmatic.

 

BUT... the fact that I revealed that I am a survivor and know there are more win conditions than what he listed, thus validating my reveal for anyone that IS a survivor, and you still leave your vote on me.

 

Interesting...

 

How does that validate? You even quoted the post from Kivam where he states it.......not sure what angle you're aiming for here, but you had to know you'd take heat for this comment....

[Hybrid]

  On 8/15/2011 at 3:59 PM, Barmacral said:

This board needs a feature that warns us when new posts go up while we're typing up our own.

 

This.

 

Make it happen. (Please)

[Verbal32]

Talk to an admin.

 

>_>

[John McClane]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:16 PM, CTM said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:14 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:09 PM, CTM said:

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

 

Okay, so you read Jack's omission of the full spectrum of survivor win conditions as pragmatic.

 

BUT... the fact that I revealed that I am a survivor and know there are more win conditions than what he listed, thus validating my reveal for anyone that IS a survivor, and you still leave your vote on me.

 

Interesting...

what you posted was the second post in thread clearly available to anyone.. weaksauce..

 

*shakes head* No, when I posted the lines from the opening scene content, I clearly stated that I think Jack used that info to make his assumptions about the win conditions he said survivors have. I clearly said there are OTHER win conditions for a survivor beyond what Jack stated.

 

So you won't vote Jack because you think he was being pragmatic, but you keep your vote on me - when I make it clear there is a win condition for survivors beyond what Jack was stating. If you knew what the survivor win conditions were, you'd understand what I'm saying here.

 

I know you aren't this sloppy...

[John McClane]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:19 PM, Verbal32 said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:14 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:09 PM, CTM said:

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

 

Okay, so you read Jack's omission of the full spectrum of survivor win conditions as pragmatic.

 

BUT... the fact that I revealed that I am a survivor and know there are more win conditions than what he listed, thus validating my reveal for anyone that IS a survivor, and you still leave your vote on me.

 

Interesting...

 

How does that validate? You even quoted the post from Kivam where he states it.......not sure what angle you're aiming for here, but you had to know you'd take heat for this comment....

 

 

I'm trying to be careful with the amount of details I share here, because if I over-share it'll only help fake reveals going forward.

 

I quoted the opening scene from Kivam because it contained all the information needed for Jack to make his statement about the survivor win condition. I'm saying that there are win conditions for survivors beyond what Jack said, not included in Kivam's quote, and my knowing this and talking about it should resonate with other survivors... thus validating me with other survivors.

 

I don't know how better to explain this.

[Hybrid]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:21 PM, Verbal32 said:

Talk to an admin.

 

>_>

 

OK.

 

Hi, Verbal.

 

^_^

[Sharrow]

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:22 PM, Kivam said:

NOTE: Kast has not checked in, and will be replaced.

 

May I suggest Shane Falco? He was a disaster in the Sugar Bowl, but he's still got a lot of talent.

 

[CTM]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:26 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:19 PM, Verbal32 said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:14 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:09 PM, CTM said:

I read that as being pragmatic.. if the lannisters go up in dead scenes, most survivors are goign to flock there.. and then Lannisters/banneran will aim all of thier fire power into the non lannister/bannerman pool of people. So in effect you'd lose if you tried to hang on till the end as a survivor.. either join the stronger side or lose, seems pretty practical to me

 

Okay, so you read Jack's omission of the full spectrum of survivor win conditions as pragmatic.

 

BUT... the fact that I revealed that I am a survivor and know there are more win conditions than what he listed, thus validating my reveal for anyone that IS a survivor, and you still leave your vote on me.

 

Interesting...

 

How does that validate? You even quoted the post from Kivam where he states it.......not sure what angle you're aiming for here, but you had to know you'd take heat for this comment....

 

 

I'm trying to be careful with the amount of details I share here, because if I over-share it'll only help fake reveals going forward.

 

I quoted the opening scene from Kivam because it contained all the information needed for Jack to make his statement about the survivor win condition. I'm saying that there are win conditions for survivors beyond what Jack said, not included in Kivam's quote, and my knowing this and talking about it should resonate with other survivors... thus validating me with other survivors.

 

I don't know how better to explain this.

Meh.. i think that's splitting hairs given all the other sutff he said..

 

My plan coming in was to joun the faction that's winning, which is basically what he said..

 

 

You're point however minor it may be could make me lean survivor on you, need to think .. i wouldn't be surprised if the factions/cult could clarify survivor win conditions, since Doggin already isntalled fake claims

[John McClane]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:32 PM, Sharrow said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:22 PM, Kivam said:

NOTE: Kast has not checked in, and will be replaced.

 

May I suggest Shane Falco? He was a disaster in the Sugar Bowl, but he's still got a lot of talent.

 

 

JUST IN FUDGE'd

[Verbal32]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:26 PM, John McClane said:

I'm trying to be careful with the amount of details I share here, because if I over-share it'll only help fake reveals going forward.

 

I quoted the opening scene from Kivam because it contained all the information needed for Jack to make his statement about the survivor win condition. I'm saying that there are win conditions for survivors beyond what Jack said, not included in Kivam's quote, and my knowing this and talking about it should resonate with other survivors... thus validating me with other survivors.

 

I don't know how better to explain this.

 

The only other possible win condition is with the cult, but that's kinda obvious, isn't it? You are starting to worry me....

 

 

 

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:26 PM, Hybrid said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:21 PM, Verbal32 said:

Talk to an admin.

 

>_>

 

OK.

 

Hi, Verbal.

 

^_^

 

O_O

 

o hai

[Sharrow]

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:34 PM, John McClane said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 3:32 PM, Sharrow said:

  On 8/16/2011 at 2:22 PM, Kivam said:

NOTE: Kast has not checked in, and will be replaced.

 

May I suggest Shane Falco? He was a disaster in the Sugar Bowl, but he's still got a lot of talent.

 

 

JUST IN FUDGE'd

 

not even close

[Sedai]

Ape it wasn't am omission, a survivor, wins when it's just them and either the lannisters or Starks. A survivor, not the group of survivors.

 

The main reason I'm not advocating a cult leader hunt is because it's impossible this early with so many players. Kiv has already stated that he has given players names of neutral characters to claim. The only way to find cult is to lynch until you hit the leader or a follower and Work backwards.

[Sedai]

I'll be gone for the next 3 or 4 hours

[Pac]

while it's been enjoyable reading 5 pages of John Mccvain squirm like a stuck pig, I suggest we do the right thing and rid ourselves of this disease.

 

At this point we can go needle in a haystack hunting for the CL, try and determine who is aligned with the Starks or Banns and vote one off, or just kill someone to get the game moving. I opt for the third choice.

 

Squash Mccvain now, thank me later.